The dodge chance of malphon, could be stacked with hermes greater evasion, stacked lambent plume and ruthless reflex dodge to have close to 100% dodge in late game. Aspect of lucifer, if you get triple bomb, u can very quickly cast 6 bombs in succession, which if they all hit a target do 600 base damage, which can easily be boosted to 1k plus with boons.
Building up your dodge percentage is actually awesome! A lambent plume keepsake with 26-30% dodge chance plus the Arthur Sword special makes you invisible to Hades' bbq beams at the final battle. No need to hide behind those two thicc pillar thingies anymore ✨
Funny imo the Rail is by far the best weapon in Hades. It's so convinvient when you master its handling. Even for beginners this weapon is amazing. I did my first escape with it. Just go for the dyonisus ares duo on atk / cast and the triple shot on aspect if zagreus. Ez mode. Or use zeus on basic at. Idk every boon feels broken on this thing.
This. I still agree with the ratings generally for the weapons, but rail feels like it's a lot stronger on PC using Mouse and Keyboard than described here. To the point that some friends I know playing on PC have accused the rail of being the game's "easy mode". With that said, if Rail reload is bound to R3 of all things by default...I can see why Rail will definitely have a weaker impression.
Yeah, I play on Mouse and keyboard and never really had the issue he had with the weapon. Easy to aim the special. But even if its better to aim I still find a boring weapon imo.
@@begejekan1244 the special is very fucking strong, put your hammers into the special and give it doom, as for the attack, Artemis or hangover are the best choices. Hangover can stack five times, your attack becomes immediately 5 times as good
I'm glad you mentioned one of the best things about the Lucifer Rail: the fact that it has crazy customization with hammers. If you ask me, the two best ones are the the one that makes you start firing faster, combined with the one that makes your damage ramp up more quickly. But you can take it even further with the great amount of options.
For me, the witches miniboss fight is probably the game's hardest room outside of the final boss and maybe the enhanced theseus/asterius fight. I love the aspect of talos for how much easier it makes the witches to deal with when they hide over the lava.
Switching reload to pushing into the left stick is another good option. Your thumb is always on the left stick, and you can buffer the reload to a dash easier.
gotta say one of my favorite things is gilgamesh fists with Athena on the dash and Aphro on the special, possibly with Artemis somewhere (attack probs) for the 2 duo boons if im lucky. you get the damage reduction from weak and the deflects on dash for defense to balance out the damage boost on maime, and you just do crazy damage. You can just utterly ruin EM4.
@@JawlessPaul My first trial of the Lucifer Rail. Poseidons knockback on the orb. It was actually quite funny trapping foes in corners or dead ends because the Orb pulse knockbacks.^^
I was so excited to get the rail, but when I finally did it wasn't as great as I expected. But I've beat my second run with it by using the multiple special bombs. It has grown on me, especially in regards to the special.
I feel like I absolutely melt with the Hestia rail and Artemis attack. Triple bomb is super sick too. For my aiming, I just hit the button without touching the joystick to center on an enemy. I agree it is super funky if you try to aim.
love these videos, would love more discussion on builds and why they work so well, or maybe a guide on what you need to exert more control over runs where you have a specific build type in mind. great videos though man, your doin satans work here and its comendable
JP, for Demeter Aspect, you still get 5 hits for the dash-upper when it's charged up. It's kind of finicky but it still works. One of the best combos is to get the hammer that makes your dash-upper explosive and you end up melting anything with 5 explosions plus your boon's effects.
Yeah I think it was either updated or he got it wrong. If anything its even stronger since the base for dash upper is 40 vs upper's 30 twice, so adding 5 times makes its 240 while the upper would be 210
Thanks for your work bro. Found you after I picked up the game and started playing. It does my heart good after all these years to see Supergiant games thriving and continually one upping themselves like this. Keep up the good work and maybe Ill tag along on the live stream sometime.
You forget one thing about Lucifer. Your enemy can detonate your special. You don’t have to attack it; it can be attacked. I like to use it as a counter and it’s pretty reliable that way.
I've been playing Hades since the switch version dropped and every time I beat the final boss I've had the twin fists(I've only beaten him 5 times). Feels very good to use on switch at least
Thanks a lot! I have been saving blood the past few days waiting for this video, I wanted to use knuckles but I was not sure about what aspect to "buy". Now I have a better understanding of each weapon and can choose a fun and reliable aspect. I really like the format of your videos, explaining with some detail, showing the hammers that you are talking about, solid S tier!
One of my best runs with Luci aspect was when I got Demeter's attack boon and a boon that makes fully chilled enemies explode, dealing damage to that foe and everyone around them.
Also! Aspect of Eris is great, but DON'T pick up the 300% empowered ticket that can hurt you, or you somewhat lose your ability to boost power (unless you wanna take a ton of damage)
What I love about the Lucifer aspect is that the hellfire orb pulses actually stagger enemies, which can be very helpful given that the basic attack of the rail doesn't do that
as someone who's been interested in hades for a long while and plans to get into the game once they won't be broke, these videos are really helpful and nice to watch. cheers!
As someone who usually has no issues with looking up online help for games I play: don't spoil yourself too much :-D After over 40 hours and 60 runs, I'm still constantly unlocking new things on so many levels (story, character dialogues, weapon variations, new items, skills, difficulty options, finding new builds, maybe more I'm forgetting rn) and it's so much fun to discover those myself.
Thank you for this great videos! I tried a few of your build and I liked almost all of them. I have slightly different opinions about some of the aspects, but in general I agree with your rating. Again, great contents!
As someone that mains the twin fists, the special is great if you are using the damage control condition on the pact of punishment cause it hits twice, and I like to use colossal knuckle (sturdy when attacking/using special) and draining cutter (heal small hp when you kill enemy with special) because you are up close most of the time so you will get hit and the healing is nice
Anyone else use the grenade on rail as a reload? Just run your clip down to empty, fire the grenade, and the reload timer starts as you're in the animation for the launch. By the time you recover, you have a full clip.
My first completed run was with the Aspect of Eris Rail, and oh boy it was hysterical First I got a hammer upgrade that made my special fire 5 cluster bombs Then I got another upgrade that replaces the normal bombs with ROCKETS So now I'm just dashing all over the place lobbing 5 rockets at a time every couple seconds
Love your content man, do you have your full aspect Tier list written out anywhere? I often find myself going back to your videos and fast forwarding to find what you ranked a certain aspect when I’m deciding what to unlock. My memory isn’t too great lately!
I found a fun playstyle with Fist with Aspect of Talos where if you have the mini stun fog, you place it near you then pull enemies near you to stun them then backstab to death.
man the dodge chance on the fists are great, with hermes' keepsake, a few of his boons and the dodge chance mirror upgrade you can easily get close to 100% dodge chance witch is bonkers
Hey Paul, I'm loving your content on this fantastic game. One thing U wanted to add to what you said, Aspect of Gilgamesh also has a unique rapid dash attack to go with the rapid dashes. So you can just hold down dash and attack and it basically gives you Wolverine's berserker barrage from Marvel vs Capcom. You can absolutely destroy enemies sooo fast by just dashing and attacking around them constantly. It's probably the most fun weapon in the game, imho.
Zag fist is great if you are running Lambent Plume and are looking to either build high dodge or are new and really want to clear Hades for the 1st time. The free 15% helps give you the cover to focus targets down and start racking up plume buffs, and after Tartarus can basically help you become a snowball. After that just focus on Athena or Zeus buffs for your basic for room clears and you can really start cooking. Also, chaos boons for basic attacks. After that though, Hermes boons for atk speed and dodge make you nuts.
Best (looking) combo I've ever got it using magnetic cutter (aspect of Talos) with that poseidon boons that (as you mentioned) special pushes enemies back and the hoon that does more damage throwing enemies into walls. Pin an enemy in a corner and then just repeatedly pull them to you and smash them into the walls. Deal MASSIVE damage and stun lock. Dear god was it GLORIOUS in Styx!
These videos have been very helpful. Been playing since very early access back in... I think it was December or January of 2018? And I still haven't gotten all weapon aspects (I haven't grinded the game too hard yet, don't judge me!), so seeing Lucifer's for example is a pleasant surprise. Seems like the kind of aspect I'd spend time trying to see if I can get an optimal run just for funsies. Yay for theory crafting!
In defense of Zagreus fist: By taking the feather and getting Hermes dodge chance, you can easily stack up to over 50% dodge chance. The question "How can I can do more damage?" is actually answered by this: once you get up to that level of dodge, you can take much more risk and unload a whole heck of a lot more DPS. Combining this with boons that lower the damage you take, and you have a massively defensive build that ends up allowing you to deal way more DPS due to the safety net you've built.
FWIW Fist aspect of zag is really nice with Lambent Plume for keepsake, you can easily stack 50-70% plus dodge in a run esp if hermes gives you 10-20% more along way. Since you are almost always dash striking anyway it means you basically never take damage (can get reflect on dash too and like recovery/sturdy if you want).
I had a lot of fun using Aspect of Talos with the following boons: Thempest flourish (knockback and extra damage on special) Poseidon Typhoon's Fury (extra damage from knocking enemies into barriers) Poseidon Breaking Wave (watery blast around enemy when they get knocked into barriers) Poseidon On none boss enemies the special pulls enemies towards you and then knocks them away, ideally into a barrier where they then explode and damage other nearby enemies.
I know it sounds weird but I sometimes remap so that the shoot button is the trigger and the reload as the old attack place because that’s what I’m used to for a shooting weapon.
I love just absolutely beefing up my special with Demeter, like getting chaos boons and Artemis boons, and then dealing 1000+ damage per special. I love aspect of Demeter.
So with the firsts the boons you want are zues, Artemis or aries, more so if your going for the cutter, for Aries your going to want the Athena dodge to pair with merciful end. For the rail I like the first and last forms the best, the dps on the attack really outshines the special and works well with a merciful end combo, the damage with lucifer and merciful end can really stack up with the use of the infinite ammo upgrade and the faster fire rate upgrade, you be able to get around 1000 damage per doom trigger
IMO Demeter is S tier, speed runs its the goto fist weapon rn. It's so freaking powerful even without hammer upgrades. Gilgamesh feels too clunky with the maim animation being so slow even though it has nice dmg.
Thanks for going through these weapons. They are SO expensive to upgrade that it is good to have more info on what we are paying for with our precious Titan's blood.
My fav daedalus for fists is the one that changes your special into a flying kick that charges toward a nearby enemy. Combine this with an boon that adds a DoT aoe explosion where you land to your special (like hangover or chill) and you can just spam Y, automatically landing kicks on enemies and making an explosion of DoTs on everything nearby. Crowd control king.
After playing with the fists a bunch the past few days...one thing I realized with the Aspect of Talos is the EZ wallbangs and backstabs you can get with it...If you get an enemy on the other side of a small gap in the map and just Uppercut them, it pulls them into the gap and gives the wallslam bonus plus backstabs over and over and they can't hit you...Its kind of nice
Honestly the Fists of Zagreus + Plume + Hermes Dodge % Boon can honestly make you dodge probably anywhere between 65-75%. I did my fastest runs doing this on Heat 12. yes it doesn't have that raw damage but technically you can do more damage by playing less defensively :)
My highest was 93% dodge. 15% from fists, 15% from heremes boon, a call with the hermes boon giving 33%, and my plume at 30%. Being able to just face tank enemies, landing as many strikes as I can without getting hurt, allowed me to finish runs really quickly and I didn't even need to use Death Defiance in the fight against Hades.
The Aspect of demeter is probably my favorite of all weapons in the game bc if you get the hammer upgrade "Explosive upper:Your Dash-Upper deals +100% damage in an area" it just nukes every single thing in the game, specially with a %bonus dmg on special boon. Its just insta win.
I can imagine that using a Aphrodite boon on the aspect of Gilgamesh attack to help mitigate the damage bonus the enemies get from maim, plus the bonus damage percentage. Very excited to get that aspect. Fully agree about the rail. I play on switch, it’s just a bit awkward to aim the special specifically Edit: wow that advice about the reload mapping is super helpful thanks for that part!
Speaking about control bindings. Personally I put dash on my right trigger/R1 and swapped interact to A or Square. Call went to right bumper/R1. Seems like a better setup to me.
with fists you actually may want merciful end so ares attack athena special and dash, then you dash strike and doom hits instantly. This is also like the only way to make gilgamesh viable (I think its pretty weak)
I actually play with controller and love the rail. I mapped every single key differently though, to help me have cleaner gameplay. shot on R2, Special on L2, cast on L1 and reload on X. dash is on A. It basically feels like I am playing a shooter game. The only difficould thing was getting used to aim the special, but after 30+ runs it kinda became muscle memory. And I`m picking rockets anyway whenever I find that to be the Daedalus choice.
I find that for the Rail, aspect of Zagreus pairs super well with Zeus attack. In fact Zeus attack in general goes great with the Rail for all aspects. For the Gilgamesh fists, how viable do you think an Ares special or attack would pair with it? Sort of like a hit and run strategy to let doom and maimed do the heavy lifting.
The aspect of Lucifer is an S+ for me, somehow it just really works for my play style. If you like to play safe and plan your attack, this weapon is amazing. I’ve had a run where I lost only 15hp to Hades and finished him so quickly at 17 heat level
On my first time using the aspect of lucifer I beat the secret boss (avoided name to avoid spoiler) after getting the hammer that let's you fire the special 3 times in a row and nothing else, only lost 1 death defiance, fell in love with it right then
Oh man, am I weird for actually liking R3 for reload? Hahaha. Though, I re-binded my Dash to L1 instead (muscle memory from Gungeon) and felt it was easier to do slide inputs for Dash -> Attack, Dash -> Special, or even slide inputting a Dash -> Reload. I always felt weird about keeping my dash on O, haha. Great video as always, Paul!
I feel that the aspect of gilgamesh, yeah the attack does good damage, but there isnt a dash attack with the weapon there is a dash upper but not dash attack
for Gilgamesh aspect, i play with R1 attack and R2 dash in general, so i press and hold both at the same time to spam dash attack. btw it's the only weapon that can do this. i do this while moving around an enemy. although yes, dash attack does less dmg (which I didn't know before watching this so thanks!) but the attack speed is absolutely unholy lol. best build was dio atk + mist dash (for privileged status) with artemis special. what rly tied the build was +111% dash atk from chaos, and hyper sprint + rush delivery combo. plus crit chance with hangover duo boon. plus athena call. this resulted in my fastest run of 17 mins AND i fought Charon for the prophecy reward.
I feel like fist of talos is also s tier. It pulls enemy towards you which is a very good utility, it enhances basic attack which is how fist can achieve max dps. Fist weapon basic damage gets stacked as long as combo is connected and there is no upper limit, and it is actually very easy to do with dashing strike. However Aspect of gilgamesh’s basic attck is too heavy to maintain the combo, and so even though the extra dash is nice, the maim mechanism is interesting, it doesn’t give as much damage as aspect of talos + zeus basic attck boon does
I bet talos gloves with aphrodite on the special, the boon that has weakened foes take more damage, artemis attack, rupture cast, and maybe support fire/hunters mark. Would be absolutely explosive. Extra damage from: magnet cutter, weakened, boiling blood, and privlidged status. Not to mention backstabbing is easy with gloves so if you throw crutch dash on and expose them you could get even more.
The interesting thing about Exagryph (Adamant Rail) is that it's very *not* fun to use... *AT BASE* Un-upgraded, it feels awful. But nearly every hammer upgrade for this thing makes it *AMAZING* and feel great
I was wondering if I am the only person thinking that R3 is the worst possible button for reload :D
Haha. Not at all!
Freaking remapped that to L1
Yes R3 made no sense, i remapped it to L3
Totally agree. It should be any direction on right stick.
I swapped ot to l1 as well it's so much better also.... use auto aim
The dodge chance of malphon, could be stacked with hermes greater evasion, stacked lambent plume and ruthless reflex dodge to have close to 100% dodge in late game.
Aspect of lucifer, if you get triple bomb, u can very quickly cast 6 bombs in succession, which if they all hit a target do 600 base damage, which can easily be boosted to 1k plus with boons.
Building up your dodge percentage is actually awesome! A lambent plume keepsake with 26-30% dodge chance plus the Arthur Sword special makes you invisible to Hades' bbq beams at the final battle. No need to hide behind those two thicc pillar thingies anymore ✨
Funny imo the Rail is by far the best weapon in Hades. It's so convinvient when you master its handling. Even for beginners this weapon is amazing. I did my first escape with it.
Just go for the dyonisus ares duo on atk / cast and the triple shot on aspect if zagreus. Ez mode.
Or use zeus on basic at.
Idk every boon feels broken on this thing.
I personally find it funny that most of the cast of gods and monsters are seriously terrified of the rail.
It doesn't stagger tho that always messes me up
I absolutely hated it at first, and now it's my number 1.
On pc the rail feels way better, the special can become godly in an heartbeat
This. I still agree with the ratings generally for the weapons, but rail feels like it's a lot stronger on PC using Mouse and Keyboard than described here. To the point that some friends I know playing on PC have accused the rail of being the game's "easy mode". With that said, if Rail reload is bound to R3 of all things by default...I can see why Rail will definitely have a weaker impression.
Yeah, I play on Mouse and keyboard and never really had the issue he had with the weapon. Easy to aim the special. But even if its better to aim I still find a boring weapon imo.
I find the damage to be lackluster compared to other weapons :/ maybe still not finding the right build
@@lokey57 the special is basically unusable on controller i think
@@begejekan1244 the special is very fucking strong, put your hammers into the special and give it doom, as for the attack, Artemis or hangover are the best choices.
Hangover can stack five times, your attack becomes immediately 5 times as good
speaking of re-mapping. having the dash on a shoulder button makes it easy to both dash attack or dash special.
I put special and cast on triggers, personally
I'm glad you mentioned one of the best things about the Lucifer Rail: the fact that it has crazy customization with hammers. If you ask me, the two best ones are the the one that makes you start firing faster, combined with the one that makes your damage ramp up more quickly. But you can take it even further with the great amount of options.
Rail is the only one I dont know so well. Glad to know this
I tried that aspect for the first time today and even though my initial thoughts of it were that I hated it, I was still able to beat Hades lol
eternal chamber>>
For me, the witches miniboss fight is probably the game's hardest room outside of the final boss and maybe the enhanced theseus/asterius fight. I love the aspect of talos for how much easier it makes the witches to deal with when they hide over the lava.
5:20 actually, instead of 2 hits, you get 7 hits, because it’s 5 “bonus” hits
It becomes a nuke that eats bosses alive with Artemis boon + Doom
Switching reload to pushing into the left stick is another good option. Your thumb is always on the left stick, and you can buffer the reload to a dash easier.
gotta say one of my favorite things is gilgamesh fists with Athena on the dash and Aphro on the special, possibly with Artemis somewhere (attack probs) for the 2 duo boons if im lucky. you get the damage reduction from weak and the deflects on dash for defense to balance out the damage boost on maime, and you just do crazy damage. You can just utterly ruin EM4.
or, if you wanna destroy healthbars, merciful end is a classic,
I love the Hestia rail. It makes me feel like Arnold Swarzenager.
It's so good! You should check out my commando run from like... December or January. I even put Arnold on the thumbnail 😂
Come ON! GET TO THE CHARIOT!
Zagrius dies in front of persephone: I'll be...back.
*sinks into river styx with thumbs up*
@@JawlessPaul My first trial of the Lucifer Rail. Poseidons knockback on the orb. It was actually quite funny trapping foes in corners or dead ends because the Orb pulse knockbacks.^^
Thank you for teaching me how to fist and rail
Haha
Aspect of demeter with hadooken hammer upgrade is so fun, it launches like 10 shots
also, it can get relatively broken with artic blast & her legendary.
I got this combo with Poseidon. Shenanigans.
I hated the rail for so long and then ended getting my first escape with it lol. Basically doom on special with the hammer that shoots 5 bombs
Very nice!
The one where it damages you but does more damage seems bad but it got me my first clear, in my opinion it’s op
I was so excited to get the rail, but when I finally did it wasn't as great as I expected. But I've beat my second run with it by using the multiple special bombs. It has grown on me, especially in regards to the special.
I feel like I absolutely melt with the Hestia rail and Artemis attack. Triple bomb is super sick too. For my aiming, I just hit the button without touching the joystick to center on an enemy. I agree it is super funky if you try to aim.
love these videos, would love more discussion on builds and why they work so well, or maybe a guide on what you need to exert more control over runs where you have a specific build type in mind. great videos though man, your doin satans work here and its comendable
JP, for Demeter Aspect, you still get 5 hits for the dash-upper when it's charged up. It's kind of finicky but it still works. One of the best combos is to get the hammer that makes your dash-upper explosive and you end up melting anything with 5 explosions plus your boon's effects.
Yeah I think it was either updated or he got it wrong. If anything its even stronger since the base for dash upper is 40 vs upper's 30 twice, so adding 5 times makes its 240 while the upper would be 210
Thanks for your work bro. Found you after I picked up the game and started playing. It does my heart good after all these years to see Supergiant games thriving and continually one upping themselves like this. Keep up the good work and maybe Ill tag along on the live stream sometime.
You forget one thing about Lucifer. Your enemy can detonate your special. You don’t have to attack it; it can be attacked. I like to use it as a counter and it’s pretty reliable that way.
Nice! I don't know that I had noticed that! 🤯
I've been playing Hades since the switch version dropped and every time I beat the final boss I've had the twin fists(I've only beaten him 5 times). Feels very good to use on switch at least
Fists are amazing!
Thanks a lot! I have been saving blood the past few days waiting for this video, I wanted to use knuckles but I was not sure about what aspect to "buy". Now I have a better understanding of each weapon and can choose a fun and reliable aspect. I really like the format of your videos, explaining with some detail, showing the hammers that you are talking about, solid S tier!
One of my best runs with Luci aspect was when I got Demeter's attack boon and a boon that makes fully chilled enemies explode, dealing damage to that foe and everyone around them.
Awesome!
Yeah Eris is S tier. That bonus damage is so nasty!
Also! Aspect of Eris is great, but DON'T pick up the 300% empowered ticket that can hurt you, or you somewhat lose your ability to boost power (unless you wanna take a ton of damage)
I'll just equip another aspect if I want to have super powerful bombs
What I love about the Lucifer aspect is that the hellfire orb pulses actually stagger enemies, which can be very helpful given that the basic attack of the rail doesn't do that
It's a good point!
I re-mapped the controls for the rail to have the reload as R1 and it was a big improvement.
Edit: I just saw that you did that!
as someone who's been interested in hades for a long while and plans to get into the game once they won't be broke, these videos are really helpful and nice to watch. cheers!
As someone who usually has no issues with looking up online help for games I play: don't spoil yourself too much :-D After over 40 hours and 60 runs, I'm still constantly unlocking new things on so many levels (story, character dialogues, weapon variations, new items, skills, difficulty options, finding new builds, maybe more I'm forgetting rn) and it's so much fun to discover those myself.
I love using the fists. it felt so natural when I first tried it. Not my favourite weapon, but it's really so fun to use.
It actually took me a while to learn, but man, now it feels so good
Thank you for this great videos! I tried a few of your build and I liked almost all of them. I have slightly different opinions about some of the aspects, but in general I agree with your rating. Again, great contents!
Awesome! Thanks!
I’m pretty new to Hades and your guides have really helped me dive into the game head first. Thank you for taking the time to create these videos.
As someone that mains the twin fists, the special is great if you are using the damage control condition on the pact of punishment cause it hits twice, and I like to use colossal knuckle (sturdy when attacking/using special) and draining cutter (heal small hp when you kill enemy with special) because you are up close most of the time so you will get hit and the healing is nice
Definitely! Good points!
Anyone else use the grenade on rail as a reload? Just run your clip down to empty, fire the grenade, and the reload timer starts as you're in the animation for the launch. By the time you recover, you have a full clip.
Hey paul. Thanks for all your work. I've found it really helpful with my runs. Keep it up bud.
Thanks Lewis, glad you're finding them helpful!
“Man, you just got some bear claws on the ends of your hands” - JP, 2020
You know what. After 20 attempt and one victory i just discover that you can upgrade your weapon like this 😭 . Thanks to your video...
You bet! Upgrading those weapons really helps!
The legend returns. Lovin all your guide videos
I wished I would have watched this before I spent all that blood lol!
Haha! You'll get more! :)
Was looking for this abt 5 hours ago. Found your previous video on aspect tier list so that was helpful. Thanks for the hard work dude
My first completed run was with the Aspect of Eris Rail, and oh boy it was hysterical
First I got a hammer upgrade that made my special fire 5 cluster bombs
Then I got another upgrade that replaces the normal bombs with ROCKETS
So now I'm just dashing all over the place lobbing 5 rockets at a time every couple seconds
I call that the Jihadi build. Holy crap is it fun.
Still not as good as Eris though.
Very interesting. Aspect of Talos dropped
From S to A. Honestly I’m actually a big fan of Demeter’s Aspect
Love your content man, do you have your full aspect Tier list written out anywhere? I often find myself going back to your videos and fast forwarding to find what you ranked a certain aspect when I’m deciding what to unlock. My memory isn’t too great lately!
I found a fun playstyle with Fist with Aspect of Talos where if you have the mini stun fog, you place it near you then pull enemies near you to stun them then backstab to death.
Love the guides thanks for updating for 1.0!!
man the dodge chance on the fists are great, with hermes' keepsake, a few of his boons and the dodge chance mirror upgrade you can easily get close to 100% dodge chance witch is bonkers
It's multiplicative, not additive, but still! The dodge chance is crazy!
Hey Paul, I'm loving your content on this fantastic game. One thing U wanted to add to what you said, Aspect of Gilgamesh also has a unique rapid dash attack to go with the rapid dashes. So you can just hold down dash and attack and it basically gives you Wolverine's berserker barrage from Marvel vs Capcom. You can absolutely destroy enemies sooo fast by just dashing and attacking around them constantly. It's probably the most fun weapon in the game, imho.
Zag fist is great if you are running Lambent Plume and are looking to either build high dodge or are new and really want to clear Hades for the 1st time. The free 15% helps give you the cover to focus targets down and start racking up plume buffs, and after Tartarus can basically help you become a snowball. After that just focus on Athena or Zeus buffs for your basic for room clears and you can really start cooking. Also, chaos boons for basic attacks. After that though, Hermes boons for atk speed and dodge make you nuts.
Best (looking) combo I've ever got it using magnetic cutter (aspect of Talos) with that poseidon boons that (as you mentioned) special pushes enemies back and the hoon that does more damage throwing enemies into walls.
Pin an enemy in a corner and then just repeatedly pull them to you and smash them into the walls. Deal MASSIVE damage and stun lock.
Dear god was it GLORIOUS in Styx!
Very fun!
These videos have been very helpful. Been playing since very early access back in... I think it was December or January of 2018? And I still haven't gotten all weapon aspects (I haven't grinded the game too hard yet, don't judge me!), so seeing Lucifer's for example is a pleasant surprise. Seems like the kind of aspect I'd spend time trying to see if I can get an optimal run just for funsies.
Yay for theory crafting!
Try Athena on Special with Lucifer Aspect. You can very easy make a wall of deflection that wrecks ranged enemies.
In defense of Zagreus fist: By taking the feather and getting Hermes dodge chance, you can easily stack up to over 50% dodge chance. The question "How can I can do more damage?" is actually answered by this: once you get up to that level of dodge, you can take much more risk and unload a whole heck of a lot more DPS. Combining this with boons that lower the damage you take, and you have a massively defensive build that ends up allowing you to deal way more DPS due to the safety net you've built.
FWIW Fist aspect of zag is really nice with Lambent Plume for keepsake, you can easily stack 50-70% plus dodge in a run esp if hermes gives you 10-20% more along way. Since you are almost always dash striking anyway it means you basically never take damage (can get reflect on dash too and like recovery/sturdy if you want).
Ok... didnt know There was a laser cannon in Hades. Time to farm more of those infernal titan blood then.
Don't get too excited, it's not that good (although some specific build are VERY powerful on it)!
How do u even get the legendary aspects? The only one I have is Guan yu for the spear
I had a lot of fun using Aspect of Talos with the following boons:
Thempest flourish (knockback and extra damage on special) Poseidon
Typhoon's Fury (extra damage from knocking enemies into barriers) Poseidon
Breaking Wave (watery blast around enemy when they get knocked into barriers) Poseidon
On none boss enemies the special pulls enemies towards you and then knocks them away, ideally into a barrier where they then explode and damage other nearby enemies.
That is a lot of fun! Currently breaking wave is one of my favorite secondary boons to use
I know it sounds weird but I sometimes remap so that the shoot button is the trigger and the reload as the old attack place because that’s what I’m used to for a shooting weapon.
I love just absolutely beefing up my special with Demeter, like getting chaos boons and Artemis boons, and then dealing 1000+ damage per special. I love aspect of Demeter.
Demeter is amazing!
So with the firsts the boons you want are zues, Artemis or aries, more so if your going for the cutter, for Aries your going to want the Athena dodge to pair with merciful end. For the rail I like the first and last forms the best, the dps on the attack really outshines the special and works well with a merciful end combo, the damage with lucifer and merciful end can really stack up with the use of the infinite ammo upgrade and the faster fire rate upgrade, you be able to get around 1000 damage per doom trigger
Sounds nuts!
IMO Demeter is S tier, speed runs its the goto fist weapon rn. It's so freaking powerful even without hammer upgrades. Gilgamesh feels too clunky with the maim animation being so slow even though it has nice dmg.
Demeter is prob S tier its 7 hits not 5 and it CAN be used on dash special. Just didn't see it I guess!
Thanks for going through these weapons. They are SO expensive to upgrade that it is good to have more info on what we are paying for with our precious Titan's blood.
Glad the video helped you choose what you liked!
My fav daedalus for fists is the one that changes your special into a flying kick that charges toward a nearby enemy. Combine this with an boon that adds a DoT aoe explosion where you land to your special (like hangover or chill) and you can just spam Y, automatically landing kicks on enemies and making an explosion of DoTs on everything nearby. Crowd control king.
Awesome!
Thanks a lot, man! Great as always
After playing with the fists a bunch the past few days...one thing I realized with the Aspect of Talos is the EZ wallbangs and backstabs you can get with it...If you get an enemy on the other side of a small gap in the map and just Uppercut them, it pulls them into the gap and gives the wallslam bonus plus backstabs over and over and they can't hit you...Its kind of nice
It's super good!
When I use the rail, I rebind the controls to shoot with R2 and reload to X so I can press reload at the same time as dash.
Honestly the Fists of Zagreus + Plume + Hermes Dodge % Boon can honestly make you dodge probably anywhere between 65-75%. I did my fastest runs doing this on Heat 12. yes it doesn't have that raw damage but technically you can do more damage by playing less defensively :)
My highest was 93% dodge. 15% from fists, 15% from heremes boon, a call with the hermes boon giving 33%, and my plume at 30%. Being able to just face tank enemies, landing as many strikes as I can without getting hurt, allowed me to finish runs really quickly and I didn't even need to use Death Defiance in the fight against Hades.
Reload on R3 is a viable option, then you can use your L1 to remap dodge, so you can dash-upper a lot easier with gauntlets
The Aspect of demeter is probably my favorite of all weapons in the game bc if you get the hammer upgrade "Explosive upper:Your Dash-Upper deals +100% damage in an area" it just nukes every single thing in the game, specially with a %bonus dmg on special boon. Its just insta win.
Sounds fun!
I can imagine that using a Aphrodite boon on the aspect of Gilgamesh attack to help mitigate the damage bonus the enemies get from maim, plus the bonus damage percentage. Very excited to get that aspect.
Fully agree about the rail. I play on switch, it’s just a bit awkward to aim the special specifically
Edit: wow that advice about the reload mapping is super helpful thanks for that part!
I would even advice to use L3 and not L1, this way you have one less finger to move, it's even more efficient.
I just did my first ever escape yesterday... with the fists, yay!
I got a hammer upgrade, where my dash-strike did pierce and 900% damage against armor, which was sooo handy.
these 3 videos were superb and gave a lot of clarity =).
Oh thanks!
I like how every video starts with that scary, heavy metal tentacle logo then immediately cuts to him politely saying "Greetings friends!"
haha, that's how we roll! metal AND manners 😂
Speaking about control bindings. Personally I put dash on my right trigger/R1 and swapped interact to A or Square. Call went to right bumper/R1. Seems like a better setup to me.
Meant dash on right trigger/R2. I'm too lazy to get off mobile so I'm not editing my comment
with fists you actually may want merciful end so ares attack athena special and dash, then you dash strike and doom hits instantly. This is also like the only way to make gilgamesh viable (I think its pretty weak)
I actually play with controller and love the rail. I mapped every single key differently though, to help me have cleaner gameplay. shot on R2, Special on L2, cast on L1 and reload on X. dash is on A. It basically feels like I am playing a shooter game. The only difficould thing was getting used to aim the special, but after 30+ runs it kinda became muscle memory. And I`m picking rockets anyway whenever I find that to be the Daedalus choice.
Thanks for the guides! So useful 💜
Nice!
I find that for the Rail, aspect of Zagreus pairs super well with Zeus attack. In fact Zeus attack in general goes great with the Rail for all aspects.
For the Gilgamesh fists, how viable do you think an Ares special or attack would pair with it? Sort of like a hit and run strategy to let doom and maimed do the heavy lifting.
The aspect of Lucifer is an S+ for me, somehow it just really works for my play style. If you like to play safe and plan your attack, this weapon is amazing. I’ve had a run where I lost only 15hp to Hades and finished him so quickly at 17 heat level
I wish you could button map each individual weapon, or even aspect. The rail is fun but it's so awkward to use with default controls for me
On my first time using the aspect of lucifer I beat the secret boss (avoided name to avoid spoiler) after getting the hammer that let's you fire the special 3 times in a row and nothing else, only lost 1 death defiance, fell in love with it right then
Haha yeah! That's a tough fight! Getting out with only losing one DD is pretty good!
Totally agree with you on default reload button mapping being ridiculously bad.
Pressing right stick is so inconvenient - I mapped codex to L3.
Yep! A swap is definitely in order!
Aspect of Demeter does affect the dash upper. I did a run the other night with explosive upper hammer and it multiplied the amount of explosions
You are correct!
Oh man, am I weird for actually liking R3 for reload? Hahaha.
Though, I re-binded my Dash to L1 instead (muscle memory from Gungeon) and felt it was easier to do slide inputs for Dash -> Attack, Dash -> Special, or even slide inputting a Dash -> Reload. I always felt weird about keeping my dash on O, haha.
Great video as always, Paul!
Haha! Never weird! I just couldn't get used to it! Great to see you gracenote!
I feel that the aspect of gilgamesh, yeah the attack does good damage, but there isnt a dash attack with the weapon there is a dash upper but not dash attack
Hey! Idk if you know this but while your doing the multi dash you can attack still and get some really fast swipes with gilgamesh😄
That would be really quick!
playing with the aspect of eris reminds me of draven LOL
Interesting! right, catching the bombs! I get it!
before even watching this video i tried the fist talos aspect with Poseidon special...it was my first fist run that i won...very fun
Nice!
I recently got my first win using the fists, which is surprising because I rarely use it. Demeter fists is definitely really good
I was waiting for you to finish it lol
for Gilgamesh aspect, i play with R1 attack and R2 dash in general, so i press and hold both at the same time to spam dash attack. btw it's the only weapon that can do this. i do this while moving around an enemy. although yes, dash attack does less dmg (which I didn't know before watching this so thanks!) but the attack speed is absolutely unholy lol.
best build was dio atk + mist dash (for privileged status) with artemis special. what rly tied the build was +111% dash atk from chaos, and hyper sprint + rush delivery combo. plus crit chance with hangover duo boon. plus athena call. this resulted in my fastest run of 17 mins AND i fought Charon for the prophecy reward.
Sounds good!
Perfect, thank you sir!!
I feel like fist of talos is also s tier. It pulls enemy towards you which is a very good utility, it enhances basic attack which is how fist can achieve max dps. Fist weapon basic damage gets stacked as long as combo is connected and there is no upper limit, and it is actually very easy to do with dashing strike. However Aspect of gilgamesh’s basic attck is too heavy to maintain the combo, and so even though the extra dash is nice, the maim mechanism is interesting, it doesn’t give as much damage as aspect of talos + zeus basic attck boon does
Some good points!
When attack with rail, right when you run out of ammo, use your bombs, then upgrade. It's so much easier on PC
I bet talos gloves with aphrodite on the special, the boon that has weakened foes take more damage, artemis attack, rupture cast, and maybe support fire/hunters mark. Would be absolutely explosive. Extra damage from: magnet cutter, weakened, boiling blood, and privlidged status. Not to mention backstabbing is easy with gloves so if you throw crutch dash on and expose them you could get even more.
Very nice!
You're the best man. Thank you so much.
You are welcome! Thanks for the comment!
Do you still hold to these rankings or will you update them?
These are my two favorite weapons!
The tips you gave for the fists is literally how I already play
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Great content!
Thanks Marcelo!
Needed some help with the fists, thank you
Glad to be of service! Good luck in your runs!
Can you make a video talking about each chthonic companion and what you think about each one?
The interesting thing about Exagryph (Adamant Rail) is that it's very *not* fun to use... *AT BASE*
Un-upgraded, it feels awful. But nearly every hammer upgrade for this thing makes it *AMAZING* and feel great