Or the best, because they have an option based industry & everybody has an opinion on their goat. It’s a debate that’ll happen as long as there’s sports. This debate started before bron and before MJ
Nick has made himself a bozo for years with his absurd mission to discredit Jordan for LeBron. He has to do that cause LeBron’s resume can’t match Jordan’s. You have to add KD to LeBron to get Jordan. 4 is less than 6. Zero three peats doesn’t = 2. Nick makes himself look ridiculous and LeBron look super insecure and small. We haven’t seen LeBron be an owner but we are discrediting Jordan? Lots of great players weren’t great coaches or GMs.
Magic Johnson wasn’t a good coach or manager for the lakers. No one cares. Everyone knows he’s still one of the 5 best players in the history of the game
Nick just wants to keep this debate relevant. Cause he's a Clutch Sports employee. Smh the dude just needs to talk with Logic. Also thank you Doug for keeping this conversation fair..
The worst Nick Wright take is him labeling Jordan as a quitter. Jordan won 3 straight titles, was having difficulty dealing with the strain that comes with his global celebrity... and then decides to retire shortly after his father was murdered and the body found dumped in a swamp a week later. Yeah, what a quitter.
if you listen to jordan's first retirement press conference. he actually says that he thought that he achieved the pinnacle after a 3 peat. Basically he won and got bored because there was nothing left to prove. so that leaves the 2nd retirement in 1998, he was 35 years old. Not an uncommon time to retire back then.
He also wasn’t as bad at baseball as people made it seem. He was decent he just wasn’t a star. Terry Francona, who is a World Series champion as a manager, he said Jordan would’ve made the big leagues if he stayed with it. That’s insane. Also, to play another sport come back out of retirement and do a second three peat? LeBron, with all his superteams couldn’t get one three-peat. LeBron’s own personal meltdown in 2011 on a super team, he built cost them a title. If LeBron is the best athlete ever than he’s done less with more than Jordan. Count up the hall of famers Lebron has played with versus Jordan . It’s a no contest. Chris Broussard is nice to Nick but if Bru wanted he could make Nick into a complete fool on live tv.
No not at all that only applies to MJ, not Lebron. Didn’t you know Lebron opened a school Besides he doesn’t flop every game milking fouls, he genuinely deserves those fouls all of them. He’s actually hard done by the refs should give him more FTA
@@bobbyd1632 lol, jordan opened entire hospitals for the poor, jordan just not vocal about his charity like lebron, who clearly wants credits for EVERYTHING
@@bobbyd1632 why give him more FTA, he can't hit them, just a waste of everyone's time. he doesnt deserve to flop, is there one video of jordan flopping ever, or kobe?
Nick Wright gets paid to say that BS or he really is that uneducated at sports, we all know LeBron is about 9th greatest of all-time he's got a lot of catching up to do
It's really 6 in 13 seasons. And that 13 seasons is including the wizards years. So he he played 11 full seasons with the Bulls. I guess we can say 12 cause he came back late in 95. Point is, Jordan accomplished more in a lot less time
We judge a player for his PLAYING days and MJ is the GOAT..if Nicky knows bball he would've seen that Scottie was made by MJ..I would say that if Scottie went to any other team instead the Bulls he would not be one of the top 50 players all time..MJ pushed him made him work hard teach him to be a profesional and you could see in real time that every year he pick somethings of MJ's game I saw that
@@daez88or maybe Scottie inherited a 3 time championship team that ADDED kukoc and Kerr with Phil jackson coaching yet Jordan inherited a team full of crackheads… Maybe that might have something to do with it ya think?
@@daez88 uhhhh did Scottie actually win a title? So is he not in the SAMe boat as Jordan cuz neither won? are you REALLY trying to pretend that it’s the same circumstances…oooo, ok…
The problem with these sports guys in this Jordan vs. LeBron debate is... they act like fanatics. It comes from the LeBron guys way more than Jordan. The LeBron guys seem so in love with Bron that they HATE Jordan. They hate hearing stories about Jordan, they hate talking about Jordan, they look for any reason to discredit him. They get loud and emotional about it. The Jordan guys just think Jordan is the GOAT. They don't take unnecessary shots at LeBron. They don't cringe when a LeBron story is brought up. Guys like Nick Wright & Jason McIntyre seem to be DEDICATED in fighting for LeBron to be the GOAT... while the Jordan lovers just defend his GOAT status and go on about their day.
Wait a second, Nick Wright is associated with Klutch?? Lmao. Also, if we are talking about the "whole picture" we also get to include the NCAA Championship and game-winning shot. Which Lebron will never have. Not to mention Michael's team would have never choked in the Olympics.
Are you really comparing a 12 year vet/superstar in Mike to Lebron coming off his rookie season lol? He barely played that Olympics at 14 minutes a game. That loss was on the older guys, Iverson, Duncan, Starbury, etc
@@Andrewo223 Wrong. He was on the team. Period. And, more than likely, he didn't play that much because he wasn't as good as the other players. You can't hold one thing against someone and not hold that same thing against another player. Bronsexuals are notorious for changing the narrative in order to make LeBron look better. Sorry to break it to the bronsexuals, but everybody is wise to their game and nobody takes them seriously.
@@PearlJamGuy10 Just because he wasn’t in the league, doesn’t mean he wasn’t the best player. Bobby Knight himself said he was the best basketball player he had ever seen. And, by the way, that would be “moot” not “mute”. You’re welcome.
I hate the age argument. I’m 29 and agree that MJ is the goat. U don’t have to be a certain age to know. We all talk about things that happened before we were born.
Yeah but you came along around the time he first Retired and never got to experience what it was like at that time. Im telling you MJ and the Bulls were EVERYWHERE! it didn't matter the location nor the circumstance somebody was talking about the Bulls and or MJ. I have honestly never seen anything as popular as those two topics were back in the 90s. Bird&Magic saved the league from going under, but MJ took it to the stratosphere so much so that the NBA should be sending MJ atleast a Billion dollars every season cause without him in the 90s i do not believe the league is anything at all today.
This is what the Lebitch fans will never understand! Yeah Lebitch "MAY BE" the most popular player over the past 20 years,but his impact on mainstream culture has been next to nothing in comparison. In fact everything that has bulit Lebitch up into what he is today is a direct result of everything MJ bulit and was bulit around him in his days. MJ vs Lebitch on a zoomed out level taking into account cultural impact,League growth, media growth, International fame all of it,the gap between the two is about as wide as comparing Lebitch vs Zach lavine in a GOAT debate today!!
Nick is literally doing this because once Lebron owns a team and it fails to succeed because Rich Paul is going to be the GM or whatever Klutch Sports dudes he have on payroll. Nick could say “hey can’t say anything against Lebron”
Nick Wright is a character from Blade. Deacon Frost. Remember how he was basically promoting this super vampire God that was supposed to come into being and rule the world? Then when this super vampire finally showed up he got skewered by the real man, Blade? If Blade is MJ, Lebron as the fake vampire God, Nick Wright as Deacon Frost.
So if MJ was nothing without Pippen damn what was lebron without half of the league he has joined and still freakin lost more than he actually won 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏻♂️😂
Listening to Mr. Gottlieb put the smack down on Nick's half-truths is very relaxing. It's like you're hearing one those intentionally loud cars polluting the road with sound and smoke, and suddenly a cop appears out of nowhere and gives this obnoxious guy a ticket. Ah, that's better.
Take some balls to say stuff like this when Nick himself a few years ago said that LeBron's career should be evaluated from 2012 forward and it'd be still better than MJ, weird 'cause in that case we would be blind to the fact he didn't made the playoffs in his first 2 seasons and he was embarassed in 2011 by a 30 years old role player. As always Nick is really good in using some parameters to evaluate MJ but never use the same to evaluate LeBron or other players, what a joke of a man!
Nick literally said we can keep it to on the court but jordan fans dont do that, its the shoes the bald head the suits etc. Which isnt on the court, but as soon as something isnt pro jordan it doesn't count out. You guys talk in logical circles for your hero and that fine you can do that just keep it consistent..
@Saints10Bro It was you Bronsexuals that started talking about off the court stuff when you realized Lebron could never catch the GOAT in Basketball. You started saying Lebron did more for the community and political movements than Jordan LOL You are the ones who started this because on the court Lebron loses vs Jordan
He is represented by clutch sports so he is on the pay role and he is bias? Why the fck does he even have a job? His opinion is not valid because he is being paid he should not be allowed to talk about mj or lebron
This wil not mess with his legacy because he(Mike)showed young black players when you retire you can be a majority owner of a sports team!! That's what Nick fails to see! I love Doug because he never been a puppet!!
The shoes argument is dumb Nick shouldnt put it in the same argument with the ownership/gm argument. The are the most successful shoes ever because of MJ success as a player and they are connected and they actually reflect on the greatness of MJ.
Nick is extra but he’s not lying about people adding MJ’s shoe sales to their case as to why he’s the goat. Of course it isn’t the reason but when people are explaining why he’s the best they’ll occasionally add the shoes sales into it. The owner talk is nonsense though
I think the shoes are an analogy to the impact he had with his shoes then, and now where he still outsells everyone by a lot. So, it’s not about shoes per se, but about the impact.
You wanna know what always rubs me the wrong way with Lebron truthers? Whenever they bring up the fact that "he has never gotten into trouble". Like what? HTF do you get credit for something you're supposed to do? I don't get credit for never getting into trouble. Hell, Steph, KD, Lillard, and Russ have never gotten into trouble either, and yet no one brings that up for them and their "legacy" case. Only for Lebron. Which makes absolutely no sense.
@@sthao1733 lol I think that’s because nobody else gets the type of hate lebron gets. He even has a prominent member of the media(skip Bayless) that’s dedicated his career to hating. But you’re right that is crazy
@@davinciscode facts. I think his shoes sell more now because of the look of them. Team Jordan’s don’t get love like the retro’s do so I think it has more to do with the look than mj himself
Maybe it’s because I grew up watching sports, including a bunch of Michael Jordan’s games with the Chicago Bulls; as a 38-year-old who will be 39 about 15 days before LeBron James, I take complete and utter offense about Doug Gottlieb saying Nick Wright is too young to know better. Thank you for not saying 38 years old is old, but Wright damn well is old enough to know better.
If it went well, it would’ve counted. Especially for MJ. But the issue is it didn’t count for anyone before him. Larry Bird and Isiah Thomas Jerry West haven’t been elevated all time because of the success off the court as coaches GM etc. does Shaqs tnt deals elevate him all time. No. So no.
The more you think about it the worse his argument gets. You're right, but I'm going to turn my brain off whenever I hear him talking. Skip Bayless wannabe
A lot of people thought that he and Shannon Sharpe were affiliated with Klutch Sports, but they could never prove it. I heard that Nick Wright’s WIKI even says that he has been represented by Klutch Sports since 2016. That’s a huge conflict of interests.
All bulls/Jordan fans count everything. Love wizard years. Wizards were bottom 5 every category then were top 10. Between 1/12-2/7 in 02 29.7/6.6/6.1/1.2 @47% Nick acts like 9 playoff games lost is 9 years 🤣 He won 30 of 37 playoff series. Bulls never lost more than 3 consecutive games for 8 seasons. Surprised Nick didn’t bring up charity/donations. Well his 500mil and in the Guinness book of records for it, compared to LeBum 100mill
Thank you so much! Finally, someone else not scared of calling Nick Wrong out. You should be on first take. Not ass licking Nick. Chris calls him out on his BS all the time and Wilds just roles his eye every time Nick talks about LBJ. Nick has made his money and fame because of campaigning for LBJ.
The only thing he said that wasn’t factual just now, you could be 38 and you live through the Jordan era in real time. That is if you were watching young enough. I really started at 5 or 6, and Wright and I are the same age and I definitively knew what I was watching by 8. And by the second three peat, totally understood. As Nick should’ve given the same age if he was watching. I have Mike as goat then LeBron at second and then Kobe at third. In my lifetime and really if weight NBA success post merger.
Just because Nick is 38 doesn’t mean he doesn’t know MJ. I’m 37 and vividly remember MJ playing the Suns or the Sonics in the Finals. Not defending Nick. But his age shouldn’t matter.
So then , Jordan last championship, Nick Wright was 13 years old, this is bad, Jordan’s prime was before he came back in 1996, so then Nick Wright was a 8 to 9 year old analyst! Brilliant
Nick argument Jordan never won nothing until Scottie Pippen came along….No great player by himself can win alone.. As evidence Larry Bird won with 5 hall of farmers on the same team……Magic won with 3 hall of famers on the same team… Bill Russell didn’t win cause he was the best player Bill Russell had the best team in that era the Boston Celtics in that ere had a whole team of hall in famers
The whole “Jordan didn’t win without Pippen” is just some regurgitated internet fairy tale that Jordan haters and Lebronsexuals have latched onto. Pippen only averaged 8 pts a game as a rookie and wasn’t an allstar until his 3rd year. He had to mature into a great player and had his growing pains in the playoffs. I Cowherd and Nicky are bozos. They have implicit bias and ask each other questions about Jordan they already know the answer to, “Hey Nick, does Jordan’s ownership affect his legacy?”. Magic great player, not a great coach. Isiah great player, wasn’t a great coach or GM. It doesn’t take anything away from their HOF playing status. Same with Jordan. Jordan’s Wizards years are low hanging fruit for his haters. Lebron is still ring chasing and when he comes up short his fanboys cop a plea, “he’s 38, what do you expect”.
I get Nicks overall point though..IF Jordan was a successful owner, his Stans would DEF be using it to add to his Legacy overall. Because he wasnt, they isolate it.
Jordan being an owner of a basketball team and sales the team (it is business) has nothing to do with the way he played the game as a basketball player that has nothing to do with Jordan as a player. It like saying if a NBA player Currently or retired coaches his son basketball team and his son team loses, that should be put on his NBA resume as a basketball player is non- sense.
Let’s not act like it wouldn’t be brought up if jordan had won a few rings as the owner it wouldn’t be brought up… y’all only feel this way because it’s a pathetic ownership
I'm 40 yrs of age and understood at an early age the impact Jordan had and still has on the NBA. Sorry but Nick Wright is a complete joke. Nick Wright would find anything negative about Jordan, to build up Lebron and now that MJ is selling his share of the Hornets, Nick Wright feels that this should reflect and count against Jordan's legacy and boosts up Lebron's legacy. Congrats to you for calling out Lebron's personal cheerleader.
The worst side of the debate has to be the MJ side. Because they fail the same way every year. Every year they say the goat debate is over. And that only extends the conversation another year.
This response is based off of a lie, and that is why it cuts out before Nick Wright can say: "if you wanna keep it about on the court stuff, I'll sign up for that. If you wanna bring up the shoe, then his Hornets tenure HAS to matter!" Context is crucial, folks, there's a reason Nick is on TV, and Doug can't get him on his radio show, despite being on the same network.
Everyone please thank Doug for this great public service! Thank you Doug for calling out Nick’s ridiculous BS!
doug is a jealous loser 🤣🤣
Thank you Doug!
Yes
Thanks Doug.
The goat debate is the worst thing that happened to the nba media.
Or the best, because they have an option based industry & everybody has an opinion on their goat. It’s a debate that’ll happen as long as there’s sports. This debate started before bron and before MJ
It is the worst thing, since there is no debate.
@@slimischillin7753but they do it every day damn near. I get we only got baseball and wnba right now but enough,
It's the worst thing to happen in sports media
So true
Once you confirmed that Nick is repped by clutch, that explains it all. He looses all credibility in this debate.
How so?
Nick has made himself a bozo for years with his absurd mission to discredit Jordan for LeBron.
He has to do that cause LeBron’s resume can’t match Jordan’s. You have to add KD to LeBron to get Jordan.
4 is less than 6.
Zero three peats doesn’t = 2.
Nick makes himself look ridiculous and LeBron look super insecure and small.
We haven’t seen LeBron be an owner but we are discrediting Jordan?
Lots of great players weren’t great coaches or GMs.
@@tonetone111222Because he gets paid money to tear down Jordan & pimp up Bron.
Little Nicky is doing too much, grasping at straws. He's not trying to convince other people, he's trying to convince himself. We see you, Nick 😂
One last screw job on this 2nd pick by Jordan on his way out the door. Just one, last, screw…
TV. Fact that dude straight up says nick Wright is on lebron pay roll instead of insinuating is proof no one should listen to nick wrong
@@GoodVibesPresidentAre you saying Jordan will draft the wrong person again?
Him and jmac rely on cowherd too much
I don’t think it matters.
He hasn’t had a lot of success in upper management. Who cares? He’s still the GOAT to ever lace them up.
Magic Johnson wasn’t a good coach or manager for the lakers. No one cares. Everyone knows he’s still one of the 5 best players in the history of the game
Nick just wants to keep this debate relevant. Cause he's a Clutch Sports employee. Smh the dude just needs to talk with Logic. Also thank you Doug for keeping this conversation fair..
Clutch sport works for him, he doesn't work for clutch.
Nick Wright is proof that anyone can be a analyst on tv😂😂😂😂
What? So you even know how smart that man is? Stop being dumb. He plays a character and basis his opinion on the circumstances. It’s a show.
No, I think Kendrick Perkins proves that😂
@@MrBertdidit lol real talk.
@@MrBertdiditWithour a doubt bro. And Nicky not too far behind
I did not…I did not….I did not….
The worst Nick Wright take is him labeling Jordan as a quitter. Jordan won 3 straight titles, was having difficulty dealing with the strain that comes with his global celebrity... and then decides to retire shortly after his father was murdered and the body found dumped in a swamp a week later. Yeah, what a quitter.
Jordan retired 3 times. These are facts
@@MRkriegsthat’s how good he was. Could retire 3 times and did so much with his career. Did more in 13 seasons than Lebron did in 20.
if you listen to jordan's first retirement press conference. he actually says that he thought that he achieved the pinnacle after a 3 peat. Basically he won and got bored because there was nothing left to prove. so that leaves the 2nd retirement in 1998, he was 35 years old. Not an uncommon time to retire back then.
@@MRkriegs the first time was because he was bored....listen to his press conference
He also wasn’t as bad at baseball as people made it seem. He was decent he just wasn’t a star.
Terry Francona, who is a World Series champion as a manager, he said Jordan would’ve made the big leagues if he stayed with it.
That’s insane. Also, to play another sport come back out of retirement and do a second three peat? LeBron, with all his superteams couldn’t get one three-peat.
LeBron’s own personal meltdown in 2011 on a super team, he built cost them a title.
If LeBron is the best athlete ever than he’s done less with more than Jordan.
Count up the hall of famers Lebron has played with versus Jordan . It’s a no contest.
Chris Broussard is nice to Nick but if Bru wanted he could make Nick into a complete fool on live tv.
Technically if jordan's ownership failures affect his GOAT status, then lebron's DECISION fiasco totally disqualifies him from GOAT convo at all.
Fact!!
No not at all that only applies to MJ, not Lebron. Didn’t you know Lebron opened a school
Besides he doesn’t flop every game milking fouls, he genuinely deserves those fouls all of them. He’s actually hard done by the refs should give him more FTA
@@bobbyd1632 lol, jordan opened entire hospitals for the poor, jordan just not vocal about his charity like lebron, who clearly wants credits for EVERYTHING
@@bobbyd1632 why give him more FTA, he can't hit them, just a waste of everyone's time. he doesnt deserve to flop, is there one video of jordan flopping ever, or kobe?
@@jayzee316 bruh are you for real?
2 Billion dollars sounds like a win to me.
Look into it... he didn't get 2 bill
@@thirstfendoes it matter ?? The man is a f’n BILLIONAIRE already
THANK YOU!
@@thirstfen Stupid slang. "2 bill" Lame.
Wait I’m 38 and I knew about MJ at 3 years old by the time I was 7 the world knew MJ was the greatest basketball player we ever seen
who tf cares if he was a good or a bad owner. On the court he was and still is the GOAT
Nick calling someone a sicofant is hilariously ironic
haha was thinking the same thing
That is why Nick has nothing while Jordan has everything.
Nick has more than 10 times the amount of your household
So I'm guessing if we compare Nick to you, I'm sure it would be the same.
Nick is pretty damn successful I’d say, don’t know what you are talking about.
@@shedflips MJ has just cashed 2 billion dollars. That's more than Lebron's net worth.
@@pedrofior2562way does that have to do wit Nick? Lol
Poor Nicky he just want some attention from MJ or maybe even Lebron 😂😂😂nobody wanna play with poor Nick WRONG😂😂😂
GREAT JOB calling out that FOOL. COLIN doing the SAME thing TOO. They ALL un It to gain AND ITS CLEAR.😂😂😂😂
Nick is repped by clutch sports. Now it makes sense.. 😂😂😂
Yeah I didn't know that, but i should have guessed.
Nick Wright gets paid to say that BS or he really is that uneducated at sports, we all know LeBron is about 9th greatest of all-time he's got a lot of catching up to do
& he may not even be that high.
6 in 15 vs 4 in 20 😮
It's really 6 in 13 seasons. And that 13 seasons is including the wizards years.
So he he played 11 full seasons with the Bulls. I guess we can say 12 cause he came back late in 95.
Point is, Jordan accomplished more in a lot less time
Mic drop!
find someone who loves you like nick loves lebron.
Shannon
We judge a player for his PLAYING days and MJ is the GOAT..if Nicky knows bball he would've seen that Scottie was made by MJ..I would say that if Scottie went to any other team instead the Bulls he would not be one of the top 50 players all time..MJ pushed him made him work hard teach him to be a profesional and you could see in real time that every year he pick somethings of MJ's game I saw that
Facto
Mj didn't sniff passed the first round before Scottie and when he retired how far did Scottie make it proof right there
@@daez88or maybe Scottie inherited a 3 time championship team that ADDED kukoc and Kerr with Phil jackson coaching yet Jordan inherited a team full of crackheads…
Maybe that might have something to do with it ya think?
@@Juntao1989 so was it Jordan or the team that won?......
@@daez88 uhhhh did Scottie actually win a title? So is he not in the SAMe boat as Jordan cuz neither won? are you REALLY trying to pretend that it’s the same circumstances…oooo, ok…
The problem with these sports guys in this Jordan vs. LeBron debate is... they act like fanatics.
It comes from the LeBron guys way more than Jordan. The LeBron guys seem so in love with Bron that they HATE Jordan.
They hate hearing stories about Jordan, they hate talking about Jordan, they look for any reason to discredit him. They get loud and emotional about it.
The Jordan guys just think Jordan is the GOAT. They don't take unnecessary shots at LeBron. They don't cringe when a LeBron story is brought up.
Guys like Nick Wright & Jason McIntyre seem to be DEDICATED in fighting for LeBron to be the GOAT... while the Jordan lovers just defend his GOAT status and go on about their day.
Wait a second, Nick Wright is associated with Klutch?? Lmao. Also, if we are talking about the "whole picture" we also get to include the NCAA Championship and game-winning shot. Which Lebron will never have. Not to mention Michael's team would have never choked in the Olympics.
Are you really comparing a 12 year vet/superstar in Mike to Lebron coming off his rookie season lol? He barely played that Olympics at 14 minutes a game. That loss was on the older guys, Iverson, Duncan, Starbury, etc
@@Andrewo223 Wrong. He was on the team. Period. And, more than likely, he didn't play that much because he wasn't as good as the other players. You can't hold one thing against someone and not hold that same thing against another player. Bronsexuals are notorious for changing the narrative in order to make LeBron look better. Sorry to break it to the bronsexuals, but everybody is wise to their game and nobody takes them seriously.
@Andrewo223 but MJ wasn't in the league yet when he won his first Olympic gold medal in 1984 so you're making a mute point
@@PearlJamGuy10 Just because he wasn’t in the league, doesn’t mean he wasn’t the best player. Bobby Knight himself said he was the best basketball player he had ever seen. And, by the way, that would be “moot” not “mute”. You’re welcome.
@@Fernando-vg4ym dude said "12 year vet" but he wasn't even a rookie
This is amazing - I AGREE WITH DOUG…… this is amazing to me
I like how Nick Wright makes grown men cry when he points out the truth about the debate folks have concerning the best basketball player.
Why even talk about nick he's a hack
I hate the age argument. I’m 29 and agree that MJ is the goat. U don’t have to be a certain age to know. We all talk about things that happened before we were born.
Yeah but you came along around the time he first Retired and never got to experience what it was like at that time. Im telling you MJ and the Bulls were EVERYWHERE!
it didn't matter the location nor the circumstance somebody was talking about the Bulls and or MJ. I have honestly never seen anything as popular as those two topics were back in the 90s.
Bird&Magic saved the league from going under, but MJ took it to the stratosphere so much so that the NBA should be sending MJ atleast a Billion dollars every season cause without him in the 90s i do not believe the league is anything at all today.
This is what the Lebitch fans will never understand! Yeah Lebitch "MAY BE" the most popular player over the past 20 years,but his impact on mainstream culture has been next to nothing in comparison.
In fact everything that has bulit Lebitch up into what he is today is a direct result of everything MJ bulit and was bulit around him in his days.
MJ vs Lebitch on a zoomed out level taking into account cultural impact,League growth, media growth, International fame all of it,the gap between the two is about as wide as comparing Lebitch vs Zach lavine in a GOAT debate today!!
I’m 35 and I got to see MJs last few years with the bulls there’s no excuse for nick
What does Jordan as a OWNER has to do with what Jordan did as a PLAYER?
Jordan living rent free on many minds after so many years tells you his greatness
Nick is literally doing this because once Lebron owns a team and it fails to succeed because Rich Paul is going to be the GM or whatever Klutch Sports dudes he have on payroll. Nick could say “hey can’t say anything against Lebron”
Ignore Nick Wright.
Nobody would’ve known Scottie if it wasn’t for Mj. He would’ve been just a regular player
At best
Jordan Stans are fuming over this man, how dare we acknowledge that Jordan being the worst owner of all time is a negative…
It literally has ZERO effect to how you judge Jordan as a player though. Literally 0.
Nick Wright is a character from Blade. Deacon Frost. Remember how he was basically promoting this super vampire God that was supposed to come into being and rule the world? Then when this super vampire finally showed up he got skewered by the real man, Blade? If Blade is MJ, Lebron as the fake vampire God, Nick Wright as Deacon Frost.
Pippen averaged 15 ppg and made 1 all star appearance in 464 games without MJ... But yeah somehow Scottie was the reason Mike won🙄🙄🙄
Klutch Sports about to file a cease and desist complaint against Doug. 🤣
This is why Doug is my favorite analyst.
Yeah affects as much as Gretzky being the coach for Phoenix Coyotes lol.
Mario lemieux legacy didn’t increase cause he’s part owner of Pitt that won 3 cups while he was there
The only reason I clicked on this video was because of Nick. This very video is why Nick was spot on with this
Crazy no arguments based on merit or logic just hurling insults jordan stans down bad😂😂😂
So if MJ was nothing without Pippen damn what was lebron without half of the league he has joined and still freakin lost more than he actually won 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏻♂️😂
Listening to Mr. Gottlieb put the smack down on Nick's half-truths is very relaxing. It's like you're hearing one those intentionally loud cars polluting the road with sound and smoke, and suddenly a cop appears out of nowhere and gives this obnoxious guy a ticket. Ah, that's better.
Take some balls to say stuff like this when Nick himself a few years ago said that LeBron's career should be evaluated from 2012 forward and it'd be still better than MJ, weird 'cause in that case we would be blind to the fact he didn't made the playoffs in his first 2 seasons and he was embarassed in 2011 by a 30 years old role player.
As always Nick is really good in using some parameters to evaluate MJ but never use the same to evaluate LeBron or other players, what a joke of a man!
Nick literally said we can keep it to on the court but jordan fans dont do that, its the shoes the bald head the suits etc. Which isnt on the court, but as soon as something isnt pro jordan it doesn't count out. You guys talk in logical circles for your hero and that fine you can do that just keep it consistent..
@Saints10Bro It was you Bronsexuals that started talking about off the court stuff when you realized Lebron could never catch the GOAT in Basketball. You started saying Lebron did more for the community and political movements than Jordan LOL You are the ones who started this because on the court Lebron loses vs Jordan
He is represented by clutch sports so he is on the pay role and he is bias? Why the fck does he even have a job? His opinion is not valid because he is being paid he should not be allowed to talk about mj or lebron
Because he plays a character and trolls on TV for ratings and clicks like Skip.
@@litany21 the character of a clown
This wil not mess with his legacy because he(Mike)showed young black players when you retire you can be a majority owner of a sports team!! That's what Nick fails to see! I love Doug because he never been a puppet!!
The shoes argument is dumb Nick shouldnt put it in the same argument with the ownership/gm argument. The are the most successful shoes ever because of MJ success as a player and they are connected and they actually reflect on the greatness of MJ.
Not just Nick Wrong, but Colin Cowherd as well. Both of them are huge LeBron fans!
Nick is extra but he’s not lying about people adding MJ’s shoe sales to their case as to why he’s the goat. Of course it isn’t the reason but when people are explaining why he’s the best they’ll occasionally add the shoes sales into it. The owner talk is nonsense though
I think the shoes are an analogy to the impact he had with his shoes then, and now where he still outsells everyone by a lot. So, it’s not about shoes per se, but about the impact.
You wanna know what always rubs me the wrong way with Lebron truthers? Whenever they bring up the fact that "he has never gotten into trouble". Like what? HTF do you get credit for something you're supposed to do? I don't get credit for never getting into trouble. Hell, Steph, KD, Lillard, and Russ have never gotten into trouble either, and yet no one brings that up for them and their "legacy" case. Only for Lebron. Which makes absolutely no sense.
@@sthao1733 lol I think that’s because nobody else gets the type of hate lebron gets. He even has a prominent member of the media(skip Bayless) that’s dedicated his career to hating. But you’re right that is crazy
@@davinciscode facts. I think his shoes sell more now because of the look of them. Team Jordan’s don’t get love like the retro’s do so I think it has more to do with the look than mj himself
@@jermainelaw1077i would say the look and because what he did in those particular shoes.
Maybe it’s because I grew up watching sports, including a bunch of Michael Jordan’s games with the Chicago Bulls; as a 38-year-old who will be 39 about 15 days before LeBron James, I take complete and utter offense about Doug Gottlieb saying Nick Wright is too young to know better. Thank you for not saying 38 years old is old, but Wright damn well is old enough to know better.
Finally someone called out the stupidity of the Scottie Pippen argument. Every time I see or hear someone say that I cringe.
Good job Doug get him. Jordan helped Scottie develop he had talent but yes he was considered soft easy to intimidate .
16.1 points per game on 47% field goal shooting is "talent"?
Nick Wright is trying hard to down play Jordan's career when his playing career has nothing to do with his ownership.
If it went well, it would’ve counted. Especially for MJ. But the issue is it didn’t count for anyone before him. Larry Bird and Isiah Thomas Jerry West haven’t been elevated all time because of the success off the court as coaches GM etc. does Shaqs tnt deals elevate him all time. No. So no.
The more you think about it the worse his argument gets. You're right, but I'm going to turn my brain off whenever I hear him talking.
Skip Bayless wannabe
This ENTIRE segment proves how accurate Nick's claims have been
Accurate how?
Did Doug just say nick is rep by clutch sports?
A lot of people thought that he and Shannon Sharpe were affiliated with Klutch Sports, but they could never prove it. I heard that Nick Wright’s WIKI even says that he has been represented by Klutch Sports since 2016. That’s a huge conflict of interests.
cat starts with the letter K? didnt know that. thanks doug lol. great take though
All bulls/Jordan fans count everything.
Love wizard years.
Wizards were bottom 5 every category then were top 10.
Between 1/12-2/7 in 02
29.7/6.6/6.1/1.2 @47%
Nick acts like 9 playoff games lost is 9 years 🤣
He won 30 of 37 playoff series.
Bulls never lost more than 3 consecutive games for 8 seasons.
Surprised Nick didn’t bring up charity/donations.
Well his 500mil and in the Guinness book of records for it, compared to LeBum 100mill
How about canceling nick he a joke
Thank you so much! Finally, someone else not scared of calling Nick Wrong out. You should be on first take. Not ass licking Nick. Chris calls him out on his BS all the time and Wilds just roles his eye every time Nick talks about LBJ. Nick has made his money and fame because of campaigning for LBJ.
Nick Wright is the worst sports analyst in the business… never pay attention to anything he says
So that mcentire is better than nick wrong?
@@Pimping9167 they actually demoted McIntyre so he can’t talk for too long lol … and I just saw Ryan Hollins had a segment 🤦🏻♂️
@@Pimping9167Damn…that’s a tough one. Just have them both go away, we’ll be better for it.
Nick is part of the W.E.B
I'm 39 and I grew up watching all the bulls games in the 90s was too young to remember the 80s games and I don't see the lebron comparisons to MJ
The only thing he said that wasn’t factual just now, you could be 38 and you live through the Jordan era in real time. That is if you were watching young enough. I really started at 5 or 6, and Wright and I are the same age and I definitively knew what I was watching by 8. And by the second three peat, totally understood. As Nick should’ve given the same age if he was watching. I have Mike as goat then LeBron at second and then Kobe at third. In my lifetime and really if weight NBA success post merger.
Just because Nick is 38 doesn’t mean he doesn’t know MJ. I’m 37 and vividly remember MJ playing the Suns or the Sonics in the Finals. Not defending Nick. But his age shouldn’t matter.
You do not VIVIDLY remember those series. You were too young to comprehend.
@@beery6659yes he never watched sports then instantly got into sports media and climbed to a top TV spot. Seems practical
So then , Jordan last championship, Nick Wright was 13 years old, this is bad, Jordan’s prime was before he came back in 1996, so then Nick Wright was a 8 to 9 year old analyst! Brilliant
Nick Wright is a professional muppet at this point
Savannah is going to file a restraining order
If that’s the case do we count lebrons flopped movies and poor shoe sales?
Nick argument Jordan never won nothing until Scottie Pippen came along….No great player by himself can win alone..
As evidence Larry Bird won with 5 hall of farmers on the same team……Magic won with 3 hall of famers on the same team…
Bill Russell didn’t win cause he was the best player Bill Russell had the best team in that era the Boston Celtics in that ere had a whole team of hall in famers
The whole “Jordan didn’t win without Pippen” is just some regurgitated internet fairy tale that Jordan haters and Lebronsexuals have latched onto. Pippen only averaged 8 pts a game as a rookie and wasn’t an allstar until his 3rd year. He had to mature into a great player and had his growing pains in the playoffs. I
Cowherd and Nicky are bozos. They have implicit bias and ask each other questions about Jordan they already know the answer to, “Hey Nick, does Jordan’s ownership affect his legacy?”.
Magic great player, not a great coach. Isiah great player, wasn’t a great coach or GM. It doesn’t take anything away from their HOF playing status. Same with Jordan.
Jordan’s Wizards years are low hanging fruit for his haters. Lebron is still ring chasing and when he comes up short his fanboys cop a plea, “he’s 38, what do you expect”.
Follow the money folks!
Bad take bye Nick,it's a reach at best.
Nick Wrong was 10yrs old in 95 lol
Nick knows he will never win the debate so he tries anything at this point
He was known as the word that means cat but doesn't start with a C"
😂😂😂
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rare W Doug
Nick Wright continue to reach NEW all-time heights with his all-time low takes.😂
Thank you!!! Facts 💯
8:32 _"They didn't win until they went and got another Hall of Famer in Ray Allen."_ => The Miami Heat 🔥won a championship in 2011-2012 WITHOUT Ray.
Ray averaged 11, 2, and 2 in the 2013 finals. Hit the biggest clutch shot in Heat history in game 6.
Thank for your honesty
6:00… We have BEEN saying this!
Nick ain’t wrong about the Scotty-P argument but MJ did unlock him to be at his apex essentially.
Nick Wrong has been wrong on everything related to MJ. MJ made Scottie.
I get Nicks overall point though..IF Jordan was a successful owner, his Stans would DEF be using it to add to his Legacy overall. Because he wasnt, they isolate it.
It doesn’t add to Jerry West legacy?
Doug you ain't never lied. Scottie was not close to the same level as Jordan
Nobody who respects the game will ever take Nick seriously regardless who’s your goat
He rep clutch sports😂😂😂
Jordan being an owner of a basketball team and sales the team (it is business) has nothing to do with the way he played the game as a basketball player that has nothing to do with Jordan as a player. It like saying if a NBA player Currently or retired coaches his son basketball team and his son team loses, that should be put on his NBA resume as a basketball player is non- sense.
1:13… PREACH.
Everybody in the comments like: “Wait till we get our Haynes on you” 😂
Bout to play 10 more year and have less chips lol
Nick Wright is the number one reason why I don’t watch first thing first. And whenever he is on Colin I turn it off.
Thank you Doug that wrong person gets on my nerves
People only judge Jordan being the GOAT by on the court and if he’s 6/15 LeBron is 4/20 so what does that matter ?
Let’s not act like it wouldn’t be brought up if jordan had won a few rings as the owner it wouldn’t be brought up… y’all only feel this way because it’s a pathetic ownership
Yeah cause the owners are the ones playing on the court. You are pathetic
I'm 40 yrs of age and understood at an early age the impact Jordan had and still has on the NBA. Sorry but Nick Wright is a complete joke. Nick Wright would find anything negative about Jordan, to build up Lebron and now that MJ is selling his share of the Hornets, Nick Wright feels that this should reflect and count against Jordan's legacy and boosts up Lebron's legacy. Congrats to you for calling out Lebron's personal cheerleader.
Nick Wright I’m had Jordan first not that many years ago… then he signed with klutch…
The worst side of the debate has to be the MJ side. Because they fail the same way every year. Every year they say the goat debate is over. And that only extends the conversation another year.
This response is based off of a lie, and that is why it cuts out before Nick Wright can say: "if you wanna keep it about on the court stuff, I'll sign up for that. If you wanna bring up the shoe, then his Hornets tenure HAS to matter!"
Context is crucial, folks, there's a reason Nick is on TV, and Doug can't get him on his radio show, despite being on the same network.
7:51… FINISH him!