Was I WRONG about Top Thrill 2? | Cedar Point (2024)
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I rode TT2 on Tuesday!! In my opinion, it is better than the original. I think everything they added more than makes up for the lack of hydraulic launch. Going backwards at 100mph up that spike, and looking down on Power Tower riders is a bonkers feeling. Plus the train pops over the top hat. Also an unexpected bonus are the twists on either side of the top hat, they whip you! And yes , I definitely felt the increase in speed from 100 to 120mph. Hopefully I can get on it again on opening day.
Good to hear! I’ve noticed that those twists are throwing people around more due to the increased height of the vehicles.
I think the more whippy downward spiral is a surprise bonus nobody really expected. I have seen one really pointing out that they cut into the support structure in order to have enough clearance for the higher trains.
@@CoasterDashthis exact situation happened to me when I rode it Tuesday! The whip on those twists on the top hat is so intense I got thrown over and couldn’t get up because of the heavy g’s
100%. Rode it yesterday and it’s so much better and reliable so far. I miss the hydraulic launch, but the experience is amazing still and so different. That 101mph backwards is so unreal
Just rode it today, other than the fact my face hurts from 3rd launch it's better than original.
I've seen people record that they're getting sustained -1.5g on the tophat now, that plus the increased whip on the way down is going to be so insane.
I cannot wait for that element!
-1.5 Gs ain’t no floater. That’s about what Phantoms Revenge pulls. Skyrush and El Toro pull about 2 Gs. Just for reference.
It flies over the top hat compared to the original. Looks to be the actual speed it is advertised to be. Backwards POV’s of the riders even show them getting airtime.
I rode it on Thursday, back car and front car - definitely ejector airtime on both ends of the train...and I was really surprised at how long you experience weightlessness on the spike
The spike is built that high for safety. When a track has an end, you NEVER want to get to the end of it! It is tall enough to handle safely the fastest launch that the LSM is capable of. It costs little to extend the spike as the track forces are theoretically zero there.
The other safety issue is that track switch. If it EVER gets in the wrong position or misaligned, during a launch, the riders are TOAST.
im pretty sure the switch track physically locks, so it physically cannot move when there is a train on the launch segment. Also, the LSMs can be used to brake, though i doubt it'd be able to stop the train before the track
The switch track 100% physically locks in place during the launch cycle… also the at the preview event Wednesday the LSM brought a train to a dead stop in about 200 feet after coming back down the spike.
These are both entirely wrong. Tony Clark confirmed the rear end of the train only hits 365-375 ft of the 420 ft of track making up the spike. Also, the switch track locks into place as the ride engages with it’s three launches 😅
@@CoasterDash Thanks for that info; I figured the middle of the train only made it to about 330' like Superman at SFMM, but this back spike drop is even more than Red Force. TT2 looks like an epic ride!
I like toast...
Hey you got to keep in mind this is Wicked Twister on the other side while keeping it at existence with top thrills
I have several friends, including 2 whose home park is Cedar Point, saying that they have been on this and that its an IMPROVEMENT on the old Top Thrill Dragster
Many people have stated that their expectations were thoroughly exceeded, but this could genuinely be recency bias so i’m not sure 🤷🏻♂️
@CoasterDash you have a point with that mate for sure. Let's hope not, though 😊
The air resistance and friction reduces the speed more than you think, so even though the first launch might only take you to 70, that doesn't mean the second takes you FROM 70 to 100, as by that point the train will be down to about 60 due to the energy it lost on the non-LSM track, so really it's more like a 40mph difference. Same deal with the third launch, the frictional effects are exponential so going 100 up the spike means by the time you get down it's probably only going about 80. So once again, it's more like a 40mph launch again.
Great point! Thanks.
Those friction losses seem a bit on the high side, though you are correct after the spike the speed will be lower than 100 mph. Frictional effects do not increase exponentially with velocity though, air resistance dominates at high speed and is proportional to the square of the velocity.
@@densonhyde1 I was just using fictional effects to encompass air resistance as it is a type of friction. So if mechanical friction increases linearly and air resistance increases exponentially, the total friction is still increasing exponentially
@@chrisogrady28 We agree that air resistance dominates. But air resistance doesn’t increase exponentially, it increases with the square of velocity, which makes it polynomial.
I rode it last Wednesday 5/1 and have to say that the LSMs seem to have a boost function as the train accelerates you feel a boost about halfway down the first launch. Backwards at 101mph was amazing and the third pass over 100mph from the station to tophat my God what a rush. Both twists are very whippy and yes in the backseat it was sustained ejector from the apex of the tophat to the pullout at the bottom. I do miss the original launch, but TT2 feels like a more complete ride.
As far as a refurb of an existing attraction goes, I think TT2 is a win.
I never rode the original Dragster, but watching videos of the ride I am more impressed with TT2 for one reason: the consistent fast speed over the top hat, which, riding with only a lap bar must feel like you are going to be ejected into downtown Sandusky.
Again, as I mentioned to you and many others complaining about the first launch--It literally never made any sense to me. It completely defeats the entire purpose of the ride that you ALREADY KNEW was a LSM triple launch coaster. I just don't understand it. It's NOT the same ride experience but the basis of your complaint was faulty from the jump.
I got to ride TT2 for the first time today. I was most surprised by the intensity going up the spike and top hat, the airtime cresting the top hat, and the insane whip going through the 270 degree spiral (The Zamperla trains are higher off the ground, so that effects the heartline of that element). I was a bit disappointed by the launches, bc even though I knew they wouldn't be as intense as the OG, they didn't really have a kick to them, they just felt gradual. Also the ride was a bit shaky (I was in the back row so maybe that's why). I think the OG dragster is better than TT2, but I really enjoyed my ride today and I think you will too!
Good to hear! Thanks for watching 🙌🏻
So I edited media day content for Melanin Coaster Network. I was on the phone with them all day… it’s good. Haven’t heard one person say it isn’t good. I will
Find out Saturday. I guess I will just do an opening day vlog… million reviews and etc out all ready.
Count me as the first. I thought it was just ok. They took the balls off the launch for sure, and after riding it a bunch at the employee events, I think I'm good on it. Doesn't dethrone Velocicoaster or Hagrid's for me.
@@supersanic1254 I don’t see how it could dethrone Velocicoaster,
Totally different ride. Most people I talked to did say the launch was best on original but the overall experience of top thrill 2 is better. Sooo again, we will see… but doesn’t sound like you felt it was bad. I don’t expect it to be my number 1, but I hope it rocks. For reference currently my number 1 is Project 305.
I had low expectations, but it was definitely better than I imagined - toss up between TT2 and Millennium Force until I've ridden it more, and ridden them back to back...Steel Vengeance and Maverick are still best in the park
@@austintayloradtmy 2nd ride today beat those rides out. My first ride today didn’t. I was in Row 5 tonight at about 7pm and that time I’d say it’s my number 2 coaster. The first ride I’d say top 25 but not 10. Need more rides throughout season. I will say it was most comfortable train and seat ever.
@ThemeParkPlunge where did you ride the first time? I'm assuming they may not take any row requests, at least for this season...I would actually be curious to see what it's like in the middle of the train
First piece of theme park / coaster merchandise I ever bought was TT2. You are absolutely out of your seat over the top hat and it’s surreal. The backwards launch and spike feel great.
It’s also just as much fun to watch off ride
In the back of TT2 it rips over the top...super aggressive!
I was a massive Dragster fan, and after 3 rides (1 front, 1 back, and 1 night ride) I have to say I slightly prefer the new version...
Best intro song
I plan to visit Cedar Point next year. I can't wait to see what TT2 is like and whether it's better than the original.
I was waiting to hear from you on this subject, haha. I'm excited to ride in june, especially given that the top hat now apparently throws you all over the place.
I’m really looking forward to going full speed over that top hat 🙌🏻
My boyfriend said my pigtails were floating in the air the entire whip over that top hat hahah it’s so much fun, i never remembered dragster doing that much airtime. The spiral back down whips you too, what a blast
It’s amazing. I rode it last night. It did stall once while I was there only for about 20 minutes if that. My kids were on the train when it didn’t launch right. Once it was back up the crew let them ride it twice to make up for it.
Mark my words right now! I got 13 rides on this before it went down 😢 and you will like this ride more than the original. The air time is insane over the top hat which you didn’t get with the og.
I’m glad you stated your opinion. I did ask you if you in a previous video if you were going to eventually try this new version of it. I had watched another UA-camr that had the privilege to ride it before it opens to the public.
Yes, i’m really looking forward to riding it next month!
Going there towards the end of May.... Hope it's great!😊
That head chopper looks nuts too 😭
I’m excited to get on this
Great video, im so excited to ride it this weekend.
Have fun!
The second and third launches have some punch to them and the airtime over the top hat is ejector and in the back row you will be out of your seat the whole way down the spiral… it’s awesome.
Sounds great!
Since wicked twister was removed Cedar point didn't have any backwards coasters so that spike alone is a huge addition to the park and its gonna provide not only a unique feeling at the park but also in the world. Between that and increased reliability and consistency this ride should be an extremely worthy replacement
It isn't really unique in the world, as there are other tall backwards launch coasters like Mr Freeze that do more than just a backwards launch up a spike.
I said that too
Honestly my only 4 complaints are you don’t go up very high after this 1st launch which I truly feel is lost opportunity same could be said with the 400 ft tall spike my second complaint was I wish the spike had a twist in it to pay little homage to wicked twister that was recently removed about 2 years ago my 3rd complaint is I wish the launch track had a speed hill or something with my 4th complaint being no extended layout after the drop: honestly I don’t think it really needed the extended layout but it would’ve added nice contrast since they didn’t really add that much to the ride except give it lengthier ride time but regardless of my nitpicks and criticisms of the ride this looks to be amazing I just wish I could’ve ridden the old version of this ride with the hydraulic launch system before it closed in 2021!
Can you wear a watch on the ride?
Just rode today. The top hat is a million times better. Ejector and crazy lateral whip from the higher trains. Most intense element out there even more than i305. Was consistently getting well beyond -1g when measuring the forces (4 rides) and over 5g in the pull up. I was meh on it and now I’m seriously debating where in my top 5 it is if it isn’t number 1, which it may be.
This is my home park being about 4-5 minutes away from me. All my friends who work there and hold passes who already ridden it say it exceeded expectations and is far better than the original. The real only loss is the hydraulic launch which they definitely made up for from the sounds of my friends reactions. I have yet to ride it and my expectations are pretty high now after hearing everything about it.
it is really good
Dash, you don't have to explain yourself yo!
Tell'em, YOU SAID WHAT YOU SAID!
The top of the spike is beyond vertical for the last 2 sections of track to ensure the train can't get near the end of the track, which doesn't have any stoppers. The trains sometimes do touch the last white spike section of track by a few feet, so that's as close to the top as you'd ever want to get for safety reasons.
Coaster Dash, the back of the trains hit between the 365-375 foot mark. Tony Clark confirmed that.
My neighbors went on it and said that it is way better then what it look likes in the videos. I’m gonna ride it the 24th
Thats why i like you my friend you are a wise kid and aint afraid of changing your mind. Something you do today might not be the aame tomorrow
The launch is weaker but based on reports the airtime over the top hat is way better now. I will ride it in a few weeks to judge.
Let me know what you think!
You want launch power ride Xcelorator at Knotts. Always had a better launch than Top Thrill even at less speed.
TT2 has way more forces on the top hat which makes it far better than the original.
I think this was the right decision for the park, and TT2 probably has a broader appeal, especially to the GP. I think I still prefer the original Dragster, but that was a former #1 Coaster for me, so I was a big fan. That being said, the two are much closer in my ranking than I ever would have guessed!
The first launch looks sooo slow. But the rest of the ride looks good.
Can confirm this is true after riding today…the ride starts when u shift in reverse. From there on it’s a solid ride! Original was better imo. Speed
Absolutely slow the best part of the first launch is the rollback and then the amazing 100 mph launch backwards, the first launch is just a tease lmao
It looks waaaaay slower than it feels. Still not very intense though
What is weird to me is that they make it less forceful while also making the duration substantially longer. That won't help with the lines.
I want to ride this but I have to wait until it reopens
I rode at the passholder preview yesterday (May 01) in the front row and I think your criticisms were valid, even though TT2 is largely successful.
Both things can be true.
Top Thrill Dragster had my favorite launch of any coaster and the intimidation/anticipation factor of the ride was far higher than its successor. The ride itself wasn't a "complete and satisfying" experience, but it was one of the biggest thrills I would get from any ride. The first time I got off shivering uncontrollably from adrenaline and it took minutes to wind down to anything resembling "normal". Even after repeated rides I likened it to espresso. It gave an afterglow.
TT2 trades out anticipation and acceleration for sustained speed. No "arms down". No hearing/seeing the brake fins retract, feeling the train roll back that few mm onto the catch car, holding your head back, desperate for and dreading the moment the 'tree lights up.
The first launch and stall ("rollback") is better than I expected from the animation, but it's still pretty mellow. The rolling launches feel like hitting the afterburners and I've loved that sensation ever since riding Volcano back in the day. The back spike is great fun, but ultimately as much about the view as the forces. The top hat slaps now and makes for an excellent finale. But on the whole TT2 just doesn't have a lot of intensity. The only REALLY intense moment (with respect to forces) is the climb into the tophat after the 3rd launch - you're really cooking and the positive Gs definitely hit. While TTD was 18 seconds of insanity, TT2 is mostly fun executed on a grand scale.
I suspect the majority of people (read: general public) will prefer TT2. And a good number of enthusiasts might too - because it's definitely more complete. But make no mistake, it is the softer drug.
I also think it's fair to say there was lots of potential (faster first launch/ higher rollback, speed hill in the swing launch, some clever geometry and/or vertical LSMs to give the spike some extra airtime or kick) that was available in the footprint and shunned. It has a real "don't overthink it - make the easy decision" feel. It gets the fundamentals right and mostly relies on it's speed and size to bring the thrills. Because of that I think it's about "half a letter grade" below the OG for me - but probably ranks similarly within the park - behind SteVen, Mav, and Mille, but in the mix or just ahead of Raptor and Gatekeeper.
Try the back row, it's intense going backwards at 101 mph, going up the spike with hang time, and both 270 degree twists are intense with ejector, as is the ejector air you get cresting and going over the top hat. I rode Dragster over 100 times and it couldn't compete with ride #1 on TT2 in the back row! By the way, TT2 was my 700th coaster and it was worth the 2 hour wait yesterday to ride it!
Excellent summary! Thanks so much 🙏🏻
@@robertpolk9910 I am looking forward to a back row ride sometime later in the season, but I feel very lucky to have gotten a front row at the preview since I expect that to be a significant extra wait most of the time.
The wind-in-face sensation and the view from the front cannot be beat - but for a forces junkie like me I suspect the back will be my favorite.
Top Thrill 2 looks great I’ve never been to CP but it looks to have strong and very sustained airtime on the top hat. But I still think the straight track should have an airtime hill or something like that similar to pantheon
I rode last Sunday and wow wow wow i literally thought of you and what you would think when the ride came to and end! I hope you like it when you get to ride!!
That has me really excited! Thanks for your continued support 🙏🏻
Great video! I dont know if it would be as good, but still good nonetheless. Yeah i can see how some riders might like it more now. I also think if its more reliable now, thats definitely a plus. I enjoyed watching!
Thanks Michael!
@@CoasterDash You're very welcome!
To me im going to be honest it still looks meh, I’ll have to see this July
You’ll love it. The biggest headache is the lockers and loose article policy.
dunno how you can still opp on this so much
It was really meh. One and done, no reason for repeat rides.
@@supersanic1254You mean Amehzing! Because this ride is awesome!
I rode TTD in the back 3 times in 2018 and it was awesome; almost on par with my 2022 ride on Kinda Ka in the front. But TT2 looks better than either, especially in the back ROW (not back car like usual; due to the back spike giving the back row of the back car more of a drop and more airtime than the 2nd back row of the same car; the same principal I discovered riding Full Throttle at SFMM in Nov 2019, but I digress).
The duration: back spike, speed over the top hat and the 270 degree twist now look to provide a thrill Kinda Ka and TTD couldn't, the latter due to the new trains. While I thought the layout could have been better after the drop (the same unrealistic pipe dream every dumb 'thusie like me used to have): I still I thought TT2 would be better than TTD when it was announced, and that looks to be confirmed now. Additionally: 'thusies can ride TT2 its best row: the back, while everyone else wastes time waiting for the front. My only question is this: What's not to love about TT2?
I think we might owe Zamperla an apology....
Getting on this right after Memorial Day, on the way to HWN.
5:11 On goddddd
I rode it Tuesday!! It's better than the old... This ride is the real deal!
I think you will presently suprised it’s a really great ride more intense than you might think it will be. I think it’s better than the original
Not every coaster can stay popular forever. Let's see how long its popularity actually lasts
Right? Could just be recency bias that i’m hearing 🤷🏻♂️
@@CoasterDashIron Menace moment
(still many elements on tt2 look better than ttd to me)
Exactly, this will never sustain the popularity the way rides like Hagrid's and Velocicoaster do.
Kind of thinking it will be like Project 305 (formerly Intimidator 305) and Skyrush which were both popular in their opening season but that quickly died down after that. Though the reason for both of them was because the many (GP especially) found them to be too intense and not very rerideable.
bro top thrill 2 slaps, i road it at the prayer for maria event. got 2 rides 2nd to front and back. the game has been changed bro the roll back is still fun even coming from a guy that got a rollback his first ride in 05.
It was just ok. It doesn't surpass the original by a long shot.
It still doesn't make up for Wicked Twister.
I couldn’t write it. It was closed.
I mean… that’s like… your opinion man. Lol but in all seriousness, TT2 blows the doors off the original- at least to me
Given as I’ve never been to Cedar Point and really want to, I’m going to hope for your sake that you enjoy TT2 for what it is. Even though the die hard fans of the original like yourself have been skeptical, hopefully it will be a fun, memorable experience. From some videos I’ve seen, people seem to enjoy 2nd launch 100 mph into the back spike the most on this new coaster. So I’d keep an open mind😃 And I will die laughing if you think Padrinos Voladores is the better Zamperla roller coaster😂😂 笑 ㅋㅋㅋ
Glad to finally hear a logical take on this. The weak first launch and pathetic excuse for a “rollback” alone make this whole thing a monumental disappointment. Sure the spike looks cool but not at the expense of that punchy 0-120mph launch and an actual rollback. Really wanted to see something more after the top hat too. And not to mention hiring a completely unproven company to engineer it. What?!?! They had a chance to revolutionize the coaster world yet again but totally cheaped out instead. So disappointed.
Have you even ridden this ride🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sounds interesting. You’re more in line with my original thoughts on the coaster.
@@CedarPointfan630 never said I think it’s going to be a bad ride. I’m just disappointed in the project overall. They had a chance to blow the lid off the coaster world yet again but instead took the cheap & lazy route.
@@CoasterDash just came across your channel so not totally sure what that is but you gave a few hints in this video. I hate being the pessimist because I love CP and have been going there for 30 years. But that’s also the reason… I guess I just have high expectations.
I’ll let u know how it is! Riding it in two days!!!!!!!
Have a great time!
@@CoasterDash thanks!
5 rides at the VIP event. This ride is fantastic. The only thing TTD had over this is the first launch. In every other way TT2 is an improvement.
Just depends on what you are looking for. I thought it was a major step back, and makes me wonder how much better of a job Intamin could have done with it
TT2 is a substantial upgrade. I rode it on Thursday and was absolutely FLOORED. It's the second best ride in the park and my #4 overall coaster. It's a ride unlike anything else in the world
What is your #1 in the park ?
@@anthonykisner3074 SteVe by a large gap, but TT2 is phenomenal
@jackpowers5707 I still haven't rode that , But Maverick will be hard to beat. However , I believe Steel Vengeance may be the coaster to do it for me.
pls pls do lagoon amusement park pls pls pls
I’m not sure if this keeps getting lost on people or if it’s just me, but that original launch cannot be at top speed! You are not trying to clear the top hat! You can lament the design all you want, but as it stands the complaints about that first launch being too slow don’t make sense in relation to the rest of the ride.
I bet TTD never ran at advertised speeds because of how problematic the launch was. TT2 definitely is running at that advertised speed
Seems that this is true!
@@CoasterDashI made this comment mid video before i saw it was in the video haha mb
Not many ppl had mentioned it before
I think that was a very good take on the coaster for one that hasn't ridden it. I think you where to negative about it in youre originale claims but that it was justified at that time. Now i never ridden the originale but i did do Ka. For you since its one of those speciale coasters everybody has, it probable will be a downgrade. For most of the rest of us this one probable is better.
But whatever it doesn't really matter it looks like this one is much more reliabe wich is the most importand part and it still will be a great coaster.
yo its your opinion people should not care but top thrill 2 is cool and i want to go on it
Well I mean it is defiantly better now and I always believed it would be. It’s way longer, and has more Launches. I know the old launch was better, but this as a whole isn much better and I knew it would be. I don’t think anyone can say this is worse
I thought it was worse. Chopped the balls off the launches.
I'm at the disagree with you on this and that I'm going to have to say I told you so I just have a problem with the name that's basically it I think this is what's always going to be a good ride I just think the visual effects of it that we first saw them look to please see
Too bad it doesn't launch backwards, first.
I would’ve preferred that also
The amount of enthusiasts bashing this ride was crazy and the reasons were stupid. It was all because people made a bunch of unrealistic BS no limits. I love how everyone says the launch is slow but they love Mavericks launch but it’s slower than this one. They also love Velocicoasters launch and top hap when this is that on steroids but also of sudden it’s slow and forceless
I personally prefer the original a lot more
stay with your previous comments since they are the only correct ones.
Have you ridden it?
Cedar Point did not trust Intimin becuase they gave them 20 years to fix Dragster lol
Have any of us coaster nerds calculated or measured how high the rear car of the train is going up the spike? One Red and White painted section looks to be about the length of the train. And that rear car just comes up short of the top White section. Anyone know how long the trains are? 20-30 ft? If so your 390-400 ft up in the rear car.
365-375 ft as stated by Tony Clark
@@CoasterDash ... when that announced? I'm pretty sure I've seen every CP announcement on TT2
I keep hearing the incorrect description of the ride that "you're only adding 19 mph". This is wrong. You're changing directions twice and virtually coming to a complete stop each time. You are re-experiencing the g's over and over. "You gain just 19 mph" says the narrator. Um, what? You're reversing directions, again, and going 0 to 120 mph, most of which acceleration comes very quickly from the straight face-down drop.
Marc, you're wrong about this ride and your lack of understanding simple physics is a little bizarre. Or perhaps your phrasing was just poor word choice intended to make the ride sound intentionally less exciting? Regardless, you're wrong and this ride is awesome.
king daka is still better at least it has a camel back
Fortunatelly, you were wrong, bro.
No way do you go with the original manufacturer who was responsible for a system with massive downtime (I went five times one year and only rode once because of the downtime) and shit falling off of it hitting people.
Manufacturers evolve 😅😂
The original is far better
Man coaster dash is so fake you was downing the ride now that everyone loves top thrill 2 you hop on the bandwagon. Nah you said it would not be good talking about zamperla not good. Stop lying you changing up now cause it's a good ride. Stop being fake young buck
If I were being “fake”, I would’ve taken down the previous Top Thrill 2 video. Instead, I invite anyone to watch it and evaluate how my thoughts have changed since reviews have started to come in. I’ve heard constructive arguments for and against the ride experience!
Another thing I thought of earlier is how the shift of momentum in a swing launch can actually make a ride feel more powerful than the initial launch because your momentum in one direction is completely reversed to the opposite direction in mere seconds. So wouldn't the first launch of 74 MPH and the second launch of 101MPH feel more like 175 when combined? And so too wouldn't the second launch of 101MPH and the third launch of 120 MPH feel more like a 221 MPH launch given the fast turnaround?
Mr. Freeze always felt intense and this is that on steroids'.
No, that isn't how that works at all lmao. Think of a boomerang. Does it come back to you faster than when you threw it? Nope. Same concept here, reversing direction doesn't magically add double the speed.
Bro just stop you still haven't rode the ride...Your completely out of line! The 1st launch is 74mph which is faster then Mavericks launch! You go over 220ft. On the top hat for the roll back! THATS HIGHER THAN PANTHEONS ROLLBACK!!! 😂😂 Then you go over 365ft on the spike...yiur about 55ft short of the top FOR SAFETY!!! That is an engineering safety design!!! If we went up to 420ft the spine would need to be about 480ft. SMH I thought you were smarter than this im honestly a bit disappointed i had a lot of respect for you and your ideas even when mine were different, but i think your emotions brought out an ugly side of you because you lived the original Dragster so much! It happens to the best of us, no worries...But there's no coming back from what you said in that video other than "I'm sorry I made a fool of myself and I was completely wrong" 💯💯💯 most people who have rode it especially enthusiasts have already said it's better than the original Dragster. My wife and I got 4 rides last Sunday at the charity event, and ITS BETTER HANDS DOWN!!! We all know you're philthy rich, so get mommy and daddy's credit card and buy a first class flight to Ohio and ride it for yourself and then make an apology video.We sttill have love for ya lil bro... hope San Diego is treating you well, we'll be out there in July....