My white son is engaged to a black woman. They have grown up in the same area which was pretty diverse, but I know she had a serious talk with my son and said he needs to understand that they will have biracial kids who will most likely look more black and probably identify that way and he's going to have to learn and try to understand a lot of things he's never had to deal with. I think they are great together and I am really glad they are having open communication about it all since I think they can make it if they continue that way always about all things. She and another black young woman I work with have really opened my eyes up to a lot of things that this more sheltered 58yr old white woman didn't know LOL But if everyone in life would realize so much could be better with open honest communication and trying to put yourself in others shoes. I love listening to your reviews above everyone I have listened to!!
I really dislike the way Camille associates Thomas’s personality with his “blackness”. There are plenty of black people who are not “R&B smooth” or “Swaggy”. It’s an ignorant perspective. Black people are diverse in our background, behavior, color, lived experiences, etc. Frankly, Allen and Juan have more “swag” than Thomas, and neither of them are black. Until Camille gains more education on the this topic, she should just STOP TALKING ABOUT “THE CULTURE”.
Iketchi thinks even some basic questions are "aggressive" he's horrible, so arrogant but insecure at the same time! Emem has put up with a lot more than most would have! Neither David or Emem are perfect but both have been so nice and put up with such horrible partners.
Camille gave one example about Thomas going to the bar that had racial incidents and that’s still not enough information for me to understand why she’s questioning his Blackness and thinks she needs to teach him about the culture. I’m an unambiguously Black woman and I still frequent a hair store where there’s been racial incidents and we all talk about how the ppl who own that store re racist and I’m sure ba lot of Black people went to another store but a lot of us stayed so I guess according to Camille the Black culture police were not being Black the right way. Camille needs to see a therapist and stop projecting her issues on to Thomas.
Moesha YES!!! You hit the nail on the head during the Camille and Thomas discussion. It is triggering for all the reasons you articulated. It’s superficial and out of touch and I don’t understand why she is focusing on it so much.
I think what we are seeing with Juan and Karla is why Juan is single. He's unaffectionate, too busy with work and inconsiderate. How do u meet in the middle when I tell I I need affection???🙄
Speaking of Ikechi So here are my thoughts . Mr. author is STILL reeling from seeing in REAL TIME , through her life and job and apartment and prolly bank account that HE is NOT on her level ...but women in society even with all that she has are told to date DOWN and not "overlook" a man because he has less ...but a man will DAMN sure look down at a woman who HE feels is less especially from a physical standpoint . When he saw that apartment it was a hit on that HUGE ego that is really built on a whole lot of TALK and anecdotes. He has been TRYING to take her down a few pegs EVERY chance he gets either by talking bad on himself so SHE feels bad FOR him or TRYING to make her feel a way that she has all that she has ...or as most broke jealous people call it ....painting her out to be " bougie". This episode TRYLY encapsulated how insecure , fake , and jealous he is that this woman who he's NOT attracted to is doing waaaay better than him and if SHE really stepped into HER power she could and WILL do waaaaaay better than him . He was choosing to make everything a problem . And I said to myself .ohhhhhhhhh......he's trying to make her pay for HIS feelings of inadequacy...so he has to take shots & darts at her .....he's TRYING either consciously or subconsciously to hurt her . She's staring to slowly see that she would Be scarifying HERSELF just to be married .....This moron can't even handle BASIC relationship questions without short circuiting .....you know why ....?? Because his whole EVERYTHING on here is a personality he has half hazards crafted over the years where I don't think THIS MAN even knows who he's truly is ......which is dangerous. Every interaction with sane people is a performance and folks who can see THROUGH IT cause him to go into convulsions and get AGGRESSIVE
Meeting family for the first time is an interview. Ikechi has had 3 interviews. The first was with the cousin, 2nd with a friend and a 3rd joint interview, and he's failed all 3. Ikechi would be denied the request to marry our daughter. Absolutely NOT! A man would confidently answer all questions to please the family and friends and put an ease on their concerns.
Having watched these reality shows for years, a lot of these "issues" are a narrative that the producers want. Sometimes, the couples don't have real conflicts. So, the production team writes one for drama. In some cases, the people come in with their own agenda like Ikechi and Juan. Both seem to have come on MAFS to promote their projects. The Camille and Thomas "you're not Black enough " theme is clearly a production pushed one. She may have expressed this sentiment first but they are urging them to continue it.
True. However bc she grew up in poorer conditions, it could have been an upgrade for her or maybe she has a poverty mindset and easily triggered by David’s comments. I can only image. IMO
Camille has every right to say what she doesn't like or what she prefers in a mate. The issue is, she is holding thomas in contempt, questioning and diminishing his "blackness" based on stereotypes of what she thinks a black man should look like and how he is supposed to act. Even the bar conversation was a none conversation. Because what non urban space in America hasn't had or will not have any type of racial issues? As a black person, using Camille's logic, does that mean if I go to work, Walmart, a sporting event, etc, that I'm not black enough or i don't understand what it means to be black? Since we are talking about culture, racism is a part of American culture. So im not sure what camille is talking about. She's giving faux hotep. Lol
Good review. I think the Reunion is going to be volatile. As for Michelle and David, SMH. David is going to snap st the Reunion from all that he has held in. I felt sorry for him at their housewarming when Michelle said this is where David sleeps and this is the other bedroom. As for Ikechi, there are merely no words to say about him looking for a come up and auditioning in Charlotte and Houston for the show. Camille on the lowkey really wanted to see how "Black" Thomas really is at the backyard BBQ. Madison really is not into Allen but, I think the gym session was just to show him up. Last, circling back to David and Michelle, did you see how she smoothly slipped that question in about Madison? He fell right into it. Rafiu really dislikes Ikechi. LOL
😂😂Michelle was so smooth with it! It’s like she’s always ready to either be offended by him or slide in a question that could lead to an answer that justifies her behavior lol
@GirlfriendsandGoalsPodcast exactly. She's just looking for a reason to justify. I guess David and Thomas are not "black enough for their wives. Maybe Michelle wants Ikechi. LOL
Ikechi wanted to diminish Emen’s efforts for the party, he even made a snide comment about the table cloth, and all he could come up with are the taco’s she ordered. He’s passive aggressive.
My husband and I have lived in Chicago the past 15 years and we both strongly agree that Chicago women are rough. Not necessarily aggressive but they lack softness, and some lack refinement.
59:20 I think this conversation is great about differences when it comes to interracial relationships. For me I’ve noticed in my circle people (non blacks) are so unaware and one of the worse things I have been told by a white man was I don’t see color. I had a white therapist that said the same thing and I had to educate her about what that means saying that. Them saying this doesn’t make me feel like oh I’m safe you’re not racist. Camille saying she felt like she was in an interracial relationship was so crazy to me last week but this week I can see where she is coming from
Michelle and David are a loss cause. I agree Camille is making a big todo about their differences they are both black regardless of their separate experiences. I loved and agreed with Camille’s sister recommendations to them and her analysis of their concerns. Well really Camille’s concerns. Her sister was on point with the comment regarding black men vs black women experiences dating.
I'm ready to take Camille's "Black Card". She never had a "Cool/Swaggy Card"; she's corny too. Camille may lust after Jaqwon but, he's not interested and why she is on MAFS.
I definitely found it odd when ikechi made the comment about the South. He's born and raised there, in his forties. Georgia and other places in the south are known for "southern hospitality" that can be displayed in multiple ways.
I'm also tired of Camille you can like what you like in a person but she needs to accept Thomas for who he is she could have gotten worse. Also the biracial conversation was important.
I'm tired of Camille talking about race, we are about 8 episodes in and she still talking about race stop talking about who you used to date. On the after party Thomas said it was offensive that she was acting like there's only one way to be black when there's so many ways to be black in America
Hi Ladies! Samaria, she probably remained standing bc there were cameras and she may have been uncomfortable sitting bc it is less flattering, especially in the outfit the friend was wearing. I don’t think she trying to be difficult.
Hey ladies ❤ this episode was damn long 😂 I honestly don't care about most of the couples I definitely feel like Mr poet doesn't like her and I don't understand because she is beautiful. I think he's into something else low-key
24:01 I feel like the tacos conversation was a way for him to shame her for not knowing how to make the fish tacos. Almost like saying I can make fish tacos it’s simple why can’t you lowkey. Smh I don’t like him at ALL!
Ike seems arrogant and almost that he doesn’t like women. And when I say that, I’m not questioning his sexuality at all. I just don’t like the way he interacts with women. He was rude, imo, to Emem’s female cousin or friend. The conversation about the tacos was passive aggressive and pointless. I even thought on the after party, he seemed a little annoyed with Keisha at first. This is the same guy who wrote letters or poems to his future wife. Ugh! This season is so messy, but the dynamics are very interesting.
Camille has identity issues. Trying too hard to prove she is black by who she is associated with. And I agree with the long haired lady that going on and on about who somebody USED to date is ridiculous. Chile, you are MARRIED now. The past is the past. Obviously it didn't work out, or why are you on this show????
I feel bad for Thomas. He is adopted by a white family. This family raised him in their community. They are both black . Get over it Camille . They should have let her leave before the marriage. She said she was unsure if she was ready . They both are looked as black in the world.
Ikechi is NOT there for a wife! He is there for followers and promoting his book! I dislike this man so much- mainly because I LoVE Emem! He is passive aggressive and is jealous of her success. Emem deserves so much better! He is in for a rude awakening, because when he actually sees what people are saying about him, he is going to have to self reflect! This man moved to be on the show for a 2nd time!!
As someone who as dated a black woman I am so tired of black people talking 24/7 about race is getting old. If black people can’t accept the country they live in…you are free to leave…but they won’t
My white son is engaged to a black woman. They have grown up in the same area which was pretty diverse, but I know she had a serious talk with my son and said he needs to understand that they will have biracial kids who will most likely look more black and probably identify that way and he's going to have to learn and try to understand a lot of things he's never had to deal with. I think they are great together and I am really glad they are having open communication about it all since I think they can make it if they continue that way always about all things. She and another black young woman I work with have really opened my eyes up to a lot of things that this more sheltered 58yr old white woman didn't know LOL But if everyone in life would realize so much could be better with open honest communication and trying to put yourself in others shoes. I love listening to your reviews above everyone I have listened to!!
Most biracial children hate their parents.
I really dislike the way Camille associates Thomas’s personality with his “blackness”. There are plenty of black people who are not “R&B smooth” or “Swaggy”. It’s an ignorant perspective. Black people are diverse in our background, behavior, color, lived experiences, etc. Frankly, Allen and Juan have more “swag” than Thomas, and neither of them are black. Until Camille gains more education on the this topic, she should just STOP TALKING ABOUT “THE CULTURE”.
Agreed!
Iketchi thinks even some basic questions are "aggressive" he's horrible, so arrogant but insecure at the same time! Emem has put up with a lot more than most would have! Neither David or Emem are perfect but both have been so nice and put up with such horrible partners.
Icky likely dislikes questioning because his fakery and fraudulent behavior would be exposed. IMO
Camille gave one example about Thomas going to the bar that had racial incidents and that’s still not enough information for me to understand why she’s questioning his Blackness and thinks she needs to teach him about the culture. I’m an unambiguously Black woman and I still frequent a hair store where there’s been racial incidents and we all talk about how the ppl who own that store re racist and I’m sure ba lot of Black people went to another store but a lot of us stayed so I guess according to Camille the Black culture police were not being Black the right way. Camille needs to see a therapist and stop projecting her issues on to Thomas.
The ONlY MAFS review I’ve been waiting for. 🍿 Hey ladies 👋🏽
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Moesha YES!!! You hit the nail on the head during the Camille and Thomas discussion. It is triggering for all the reasons you articulated. It’s superficial and out of touch and I don’t understand why she is focusing on it so much.
She articulated it so beautifully🥺
I think what we are seeing with Juan and Karla is why Juan is single. He's unaffectionate, too busy with work and inconsiderate. How do u meet in the middle when I tell I I need affection???🙄
And why did he come on this show if he’s soooo busy with work and the gym?!?
@@GirlfriendsandGoalsPodcastI question the same!
I also find him immature. He doesn’t know how to be with a grown woman.
“Boatloads of salt” 😂😂😂 I clocked that too!
Speaking of Ikechi
So here are my thoughts . Mr. author is STILL reeling from seeing in REAL TIME , through her life and job and apartment and prolly bank account that HE is NOT on her level ...but women in society even with all that she has are told to date DOWN and not "overlook" a man because he has less ...but a man will DAMN sure look down at a woman who HE feels is less especially from a physical standpoint . When he saw that apartment it was a hit on that HUGE ego that is really built on a whole lot of TALK and anecdotes. He has been TRYING to take her down a few pegs EVERY chance he gets either by talking bad on himself so SHE feels bad FOR him or TRYING to make her feel a way that she has all that she has ...or as most broke jealous people call it ....painting her out to be " bougie". This episode TRYLY encapsulated how insecure , fake , and jealous he is that this woman who he's NOT attracted to is doing waaaay better than him and if SHE really stepped into HER power she could and WILL do waaaaaay better than him . He was choosing to make everything a problem . And I said to myself .ohhhhhhhhh......he's trying to make her pay for HIS feelings of inadequacy...so he has to take shots & darts at her .....he's TRYING either consciously or subconsciously to hurt her . She's staring to slowly see that she would
Be scarifying HERSELF just to be married .....This moron can't even handle BASIC relationship questions without short circuiting .....you know why ....?? Because his whole EVERYTHING on here is a personality he has half hazards crafted over the years where I don't think THIS MAN even knows who he's truly is ......which is dangerous. Every interaction with sane people is a performance and folks who can see THROUGH IT cause him to go into convulsions and get AGGRESSIVE
Yes!!!! Yes!!!! And Yesss!!!!
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Emem cousin was simply telling Ikechi you have to date your wife. A man wouldn't have to be told to treat his wife like a queen.
Ike doesn't want anyone to ask him questions, including Emem.
IKEA chi will be leaving Chi town after this show.
Meeting family for the first time is an interview. Ikechi has had 3 interviews. The first was with the cousin, 2nd with a friend and a 3rd joint interview, and he's failed all 3. Ikechi would be denied the request to marry our daughter. Absolutely NOT! A man would confidently answer all questions to please the family and friends and put an ease on their concerns.
Having watched these reality shows for years, a lot of these "issues" are a narrative that the producers want. Sometimes, the couples don't have real conflicts. So, the production team writes one for drama. In some cases, the people come in with their own agenda like Ikechi and Juan. Both seem to have come on MAFS to promote their projects. The Camille and Thomas "you're not Black enough " theme is clearly a production pushed one. She may have expressed this sentiment first but they are urging them to continue it.
This is true! It’s probably not the biggest thing in their actual relationship but it’s all production is showing the viewers
Even if Davod was trying to humble Michelle with the simple comment, her place was still simple🤷🏾♀️
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True. However bc she grew up in poorer conditions, it could have been an upgrade for her or maybe she has a poverty mindset and easily triggered by David’s comments. I can only image. IMO
Camille has every right to say what she doesn't like or what she prefers in a mate. The issue is, she is holding thomas in contempt, questioning and diminishing his "blackness" based on stereotypes of what she thinks a black man should look like and how he is supposed to act. Even the bar conversation was a none conversation. Because what non urban space in America hasn't had or will not have any type of racial issues? As a black person, using Camille's logic, does that mean if I go to work, Walmart, a sporting event, etc, that I'm not black enough or i don't understand what it means to be black? Since we are talking about culture, racism is a part of American culture. So im not sure what camille is talking about. She's giving faux hotep. Lol
Lol not faux hotep! Valid points
Good review. I think the Reunion is going to be volatile. As for Michelle and David, SMH. David is going to snap st the Reunion from all that he has held in. I felt sorry for him at their housewarming when Michelle said this is where David sleeps and this is the other bedroom. As for Ikechi, there are merely no words to say about him looking for a come up and auditioning in Charlotte and Houston for the show. Camille on the lowkey really wanted to see how "Black" Thomas really is at the backyard BBQ. Madison really is not into Allen but, I think the gym session was just to show him up. Last, circling back to David and Michelle, did you see how she smoothly slipped that question in about Madison? He fell right into it. Rafiu really dislikes Ikechi. LOL
😂😂Michelle was so smooth with it! It’s like she’s always ready to either be offended by him or slide in a question that could lead to an answer that justifies her behavior lol
@GirlfriendsandGoalsPodcast exactly. She's just looking for a reason to justify. I guess David and Thomas are not "black enough for their wives. Maybe Michelle wants Ikechi. LOL
So does many people in the televised audience. IMO
Ikechi wanted to diminish Emen’s efforts for the party, he even made a snide comment about the table cloth, and all he could come up with are the taco’s she ordered. He’s passive aggressive.
Great review as always!
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My husband and I have lived in Chicago the past 15 years and we both strongly agree that Chicago women are rough. Not necessarily aggressive but they lack softness, and some lack refinement.
I would love to see David do the same workout as Allen…let’s keep at 💯
59:20 I think this conversation is great about differences when it comes to interracial relationships. For me I’ve noticed in my circle people (non blacks) are so unaware and one of the worse things I have been told by a white man was I don’t see color. I had a white therapist that said the same thing and I had to educate her about what that means saying that. Them saying this doesn’t make me feel like oh I’m safe you’re not racist. Camille saying she felt like she was in an interracial relationship was so crazy to me last week but this week I can see where she is coming from
Michelle and David are a loss cause. I agree Camille is making a big todo about their differences they are both black regardless of their separate experiences. I loved and agreed with Camille’s sister recommendations to them and her analysis of their concerns. Well really Camille’s concerns. Her sister was on point with the comment regarding black men vs black women experiences dating.
I'm ready to take Camille's "Black Card". She never had a "Cool/Swaggy Card"; she's corny too. Camille may lust after Jaqwon but, he's not interested and why she is on MAFS.
I definitely found it odd when ikechi made the comment about the South. He's born and raised there, in his forties. Georgia and other places in the south are known for "southern hospitality" that can be displayed in multiple ways.
Thanks for the video ladies!
David needs to get a backbone and dump this woman and move on
On the Afterparty, Karla said “I would’ve already stopped talking to her at this point”
I'm also tired of Camille you can like what you like in a person but she needs to accept Thomas for who he is she could have gotten worse. Also the biracial conversation was important.
Yes!! The conversation was important. Hopefully next week we can turn the page! The previews looked promising
I'm tired of Camille talking about race, we are about 8 episodes in and she still talking about race stop talking about who you used to date. On the after party Thomas said it was offensive that she was acting like there's only one way to be black when there's so many ways to be black in America
Hi Ladies! Samaria, she probably remained standing bc there were cameras and she may have been uncomfortable sitting bc it is less flattering, especially in the outfit the friend was wearing. I don’t think she trying to be difficult.
Oooh good point!!
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Hey ladies ❤ this episode was damn long 😂 I honestly don't care about most of the couples I definitely feel like Mr poet doesn't like her and I don't understand because she is beautiful. I think he's into something else low-key
24:01 I feel like the tacos conversation was a way for him to shame her for not knowing how to make the fish tacos. Almost like saying I can make fish tacos it’s simple why can’t you lowkey. Smh I don’t like him at ALL!
Yeah, like it was a way to one-up her
Ike seems arrogant and almost that he doesn’t like women. And when I say that, I’m not questioning his sexuality at all. I just don’t like the way he interacts with women. He was rude, imo, to Emem’s female cousin or friend. The conversation about the tacos was passive aggressive and pointless. I even thought on the after party, he seemed a little annoyed with Keisha at first. This is the same guy who wrote letters or poems to his future wife. Ugh! This season is so messy, but the dynamics are very interesting.
Ikechi and Em’s taco conversation was soooo cringe.
Aggressive was the wrong word, maybe assertive. He hated being called nonchalant. 😒
Southern folks are affectionate Ike
Camille has identity issues. Trying too hard to prove she is black by who she is associated with. And I agree with the long haired lady that going on and on about who somebody USED to date is ridiculous. Chile, you are MARRIED now. The past is the past. Obviously it didn't work out, or why are you on this show????
I feel bad for Thomas. He is adopted by a white family. This family raised him in their community. They are both black . Get over it Camille . They should have let her leave before the marriage. She said she was unsure if she was ready . They both are looked as black in the world.
Was he? If he didn't even know he was adopted until he was an adult, I'm thinking his father must have been Black.
Ikechi is NOT there for a wife! He is there for followers and promoting his book! I dislike this man so much- mainly because I LoVE Emem! He is passive aggressive and is jealous of her success. Emem deserves so much better! He is in for a rude awakening, because when he actually sees what people are saying about him, he is going to have to self reflect! This man moved to be on the show for a 2nd time!!
As someone who as dated a black woman I am so tired of black people talking 24/7 about race is getting old. If black people can’t accept the country they live in…you are free to leave…but they won’t
I honestly don’t think it’s talked about enough. The people who are tired of hearing about it are also free to leave. But they won’t.
@@GirlfriendsandGoalsPodcast Barry Soetoro took back race relations 50yrs by being a race baiter not a uniter like he said
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