My main gripe with the coaster battles is that the battles for categories like RMC hybrids and mega coasters are worth as many points as the battles for mine trains, junior coasters, etc. I know it's in good fun but I'm like there should be a more in depth scoring system or something.
True BUT if they're both really good they cancel each other out. I didnt think any of the matchups were so lopsided it deserved 2 points, other than possibly MF over Goliath
@@nafspark I agree that X2 should have only gotten 1 point. Sure it's a major ride but you could argue that you should have run it up against Gatekeeper since they are both "winged" with riders on sides of the track. X2 would have won, leaving Tatsu behind as the extra coaster. While tatsu is amazing, I don't think anyone is saying it deserves more than one point. Especially since in the system established in the video coasters never got more than 1 point. I understand half and quarter points for the Wild Mouse and Kiddy Coasters. But if Millennium Force and Steel Vengeance are only getting 1 point, X2 should never be allowed to get more than 1 point.
@@chriskleps7253 I would have been satisfied with a tie rather than breaking/modifying the scoring system. Why can't we just say that they are both exceptional coaster destinations? Regardless, everyone is welcome to their opinion and maybe the 2 points for X2 made sense other people but to me it was just wrong
Would've rendered the same result. Corkscrew really sucks. At least the 1 ride I got on it had me saying "never again." "All American No Fun Pain Machine" would be an appropriate name for it.
Big problem with Magic Mountain is how many coasters are closed on a regular basis. Hopefully the shift to weekends only during the off season will address that.
I’ve been to Magic Mountain four times in the past few weeks, and almost half their major coasters are closed. But what people don’t realize is that we are in the off-season. I went from complaining about ops to understanding that we’re fortunate the park’s even open year round. I was at Magic Mountain back in August and every single coaster was open. Of course, people who buy day passes are getting screwed without fair warning, but aside from that, I can’t really be too mad.
It’s true, but it’s a 365 park. Summer time they’re always all open. CP unfortunately has none open more than half the year if we’re sticking with the video theme 😂
I feel like Cedar Point overall has the best top 4 out of any park, and a really great 5-10 lineup. It seems like the ranking system should be more weighted like what you did for the extra coasters, because the amount of separation between Millennium Force and Goliath should be counted way more than between Ninja and Iron Dragon. Still a very good vid though! So happy to wake up and see you uploaded!
I actually was going to give 2 pts for lopsided wins but there really werent any insanely lopsided matchups, aside from possibly MF and Goliath, but even then MF isnt a perfect ride so i left it at 1
If you ranked your favorites at CP 1-16 and did the same for MM (top 16) and just lined them up and decided which would you rather ride, I think CP would have more of my favorites. Totally agree there is absolutely nothing like X2 anywhere at CP or in any US park so it is hard to compare.
I feel like that is the one thing that gives sfmm’s lineup the edge over cedar points for me, Cedar Point doesn’t have any extremely unusual coasters or anything I’d consider one of a kind in the US
Agree w this assessment. Grew up going to Cedar point every year and it will always be the best in my eyes and I will die on that hill. but now live in SoCal and wowwww the X2 blew my mind I will say I felt a bit safer at Cedar Point.
your videos are always so well put together and well researched / edited despite the often releases! yet another great job on this video, i found it very interesting. keep it up!
In my opinion Magic Mountain's supporting lineup is amazing but the top 3 can kind of sell Magic Mountain short compared to Cedar Point. I can't get over how solid each Magic Mountain coaster is they are all very unique and powerful. Except Scream and Goliath. But out of the 16 thrill and extreme coasters only 2 really stand out as being bad. Maybe Gold Rusher kind of sucks but it's just janky not super painful or unpleasant. Every other coaster in my opinion is top of their class it's hard to even rank them outside the big 4.
Pretty good coaster comparison! Although a lot of people love to compare these collections, especially with how iconic and just how many coasters they have but I really think they both feel very different (both as a park and coaster collections)
Yes they do, Magic Mountain is just a place you go for the coasters the atmosphere isn't that great and food isn't great either. Whereas Cedar Point is just fun to chill at and has some great food spots. Because they both feel so vastly differently is why Magic Mountain isn't in my top 5 theme parks, where as Cedar point is
Wouldn't have changed the end result, but I'm surprised you didn't go with Maverick vs Full Throttle for the short launch coaster and then West Coast Racers vs Gemini as racing coasters. Seemed like those would be better comparisons to each other. Glad to see someone breaking down that Cedar Point is by no means the same Cedar Point they were 5+ years ago.
Good video! Have to agree with your picks. If I want a variety, I’d easily pick Magic Mountain. If I want like 6-7 good coasters, I’d pick Cedar Point.
Well said! Magic Mountain has some unrivaled variety with the B&M flyer, invert, floorless, and Standup, good Arrow Coasters (X2, Viper, Ninja, Goldrusher), a Schwarzkopf Looper, a GCI, a dueling RMC, a Giovanolla hyper (which is a rare type in my opinion seeing as only 2 were built), whatever type of coaster Superman is (last of it's kinda operating), and guess what they still have more. CP clearly has superior rides/layouts but less one of a kind rides. Gemini is actually one of their more rare types as is Magnum XL 200. The only other Arrow Hypers I know about is Pepsi max Big One and Desperado. The only other Arrow Custom Steel Coaster I know of is Excalibur at Valleyfair! However, the message of this video and comments section should be that if you haven't been to both Parks, you need to! They are both amazing in different ways!
It’s a lot closer than I thought it would be! The way I see it, my top 3 parks are Magic Mountain, Kings Island, and Cedar Point. Magic Mountian has good quantity, Kings Island has great quality, but Cedar Point has both!
this reminds me of Coaster studios old park battles/coaster battle series. I think you should do more of this, maybe compare parks in a chain, BGT vs BGW for example
Mid tier giga, one trick pony, and best coaster on the planet. Magic Mountain got: rip your head off and break your back, frustrate you when there isn't a duel, and make you shit your pants then crush you with absurd positive G's. In all honesty though TC is my favorite all time coaster and I love how X2 beats my ass up it makes me come back for seconds.
It's strange how a park with more coasters and more overall intensity is no where near Cedar Point for me. Been to both multiple times and leave Cedar Point always feeling like a different person.
I love this series. Cedar Fair vs Six Flags, I can see many more of these great videos. Kings Island vs Great Adventure or Great America FTW or Worlds of Fun vs Six Flags St Louis. I'd really love to see how these matches would shape up, even a Michigan's Adventure vs Great Escape. Maybe even have a battle of smaller parks like Kennywood vs the World - also, Steel Curtain is the best-themed coaster on Earth if you are a sports fan, acknowledge dem Steelers 🤠
Comparing coaster lineups by strictly matching up “similar” coaster is an extremely inefficient way of seeing which park has a better lineup. Imo its just better and easier to just go by ranking each coaster from best to worst.
I think this is closer than most people. I think Magic Mountain had the edge prior to Steel Vengeance. And with WCR and Wonder Woman I think Cedar Point still wins. But I think X2, TC and Tatsu top anything at CP prior to Steel Vengeance (sorry Maverick and Millennium Force.) And both have very solid supporting line ups, though Goliath is pretty disappointing given how little you get for how big it is. But otherwise the supporting line ups are fairly comparable.
Anaconda vs Loch Ness Dominator vs Alpengeist Intimidator vs Either Pantheon or Apollo Great Pumpkin vs Grover One of the three woodies (don’t know which) vs InvadR Flight of Fear vs Tempesto Backlot Stunt Coaster vs Verbolten (or DarKoaster) I’m out of Ideas.
It’s really hard to argue against SV> Twisted Colossus, but Twisted colossus deserves some credit towards the point total simply due to how unique it is. I would have given it a point just because it’s that good and maybe give Steel Vengeance an extra point if it is your number 1, it’s my #2 behind TC
@@zardsire2012 I don’t even mind the pacing being hurt, it’s the perfect break before going all over again, at the end of the day, it is the longer coaster (ride time)
It would be really interesting to see parks ranked by your average ranking of their coasters. People talk about these parks being the best of the best, but they are also owned by some of the largest and most profitable park chains in the country. Average ranking of coasters may help account for financial and space differences.
Comparing Magic Mountain to Cedar Point is like comparing Disneyland with Walt Disney World. Both are very different parks, different atmospheres, and different state of minds. The parks on the east coast will always have an advantage over the west coast as there are way more than them and that's where most of the coaster enthusiasts live. Still, great video as always. This is one of my top favorite channels to watch!
Great video. These two parks certainly get a lot of debate. I vastly prefer Cedar Point's lineup because they have the quality on top, and I also actually prefer their supporting lineup too, but I get what this video is trying to go for. Only thing I will say is that I think X2 is overrated and not worth 2 points. I get that this would've ended the video in a tie but that's just what I think. And yeah, once you take a look at these parks past just their coaster collections, it's really not a competition. The food, ops, atmosphere, landscaping, employees are all better at Cedar Point. Like way better. Like, I try to view my parks more holistically than just the rides, and I sometimes can't believe people even put these two parks in the same tier. Especially in the past few months, Magic Mountain has really taken a dive. The amount of closures on the average visit recently has just been ridiculous. That park needs help badly.
I can appreciate this comment. As someone who grew up in LA going to Magic Mountain since I was a kid, I tend to wonder what an outsider who's never been must think, verses what the reality is. I've always felt it was so crammed, especially now with 20 coasters. The layout too is just annoying to navigate with the giant hill in the center. The employees, food, and general crowd is hardly on the classy side. I've never even been to Cedar Point (only seen videos over the years), and I can already tell it's the better park. Twisted Colossus is my favorite coaster at Magic Mountain, and I'm hoping to get over to Cedar once and for all to ride Steel Vengeance, among their other elites.
I will say that SFMM may have more coasters and I do agree with your point system, but if we look at how the parks are run (company wise) Cedar Point runs more smoothly: they have a ride closure maintenance schedule, they don’t have to compete with other parks go stay open year round, and the overall park has a better atmosphere (opinion).
Good video. Must be noted that SFMM is having a lot of trouble getting even half their coasters up the past few months from what I've read, so yeah, they have overall more coasters but good luck riding them.
SFMM has CP beat on quantity, plus some excellent quality. They each have an awesome 1-2 punch. Opinions will vary on CPs # 2, and that's how CP is an easy win in my eyes--the depth of CP's top coasters. X2 or SV could be my overall # 1, and Twisted Colossus & Maverick are very close. But after those, I've got Millennium Force, Gatekeeper, & Dragster all ranked ahead of my # 3 at SFMM.
I haven't been to CP, but I am EXTREMELY good at knowing where I would rank rides before I ride them. The only one I (was) unsure of is TTD because in all my years of going to Knott's, NOT ONCE has Xcelerator been open >:(. I do think that MM has the better coaster collection personally, but because SteVe exists, people forget how awesome some rides at MM are, although I admit my rankings are a bit unusual. My (speculative) rankings between the two parks: X2 MM SteVe CP Full Throttle MM (FT is so underrated it's a crime) TC MM ValRavn CP Tatsu MM Riddler MM (I'm actually glad it's a standup. The hangtime/airtime feels completely unreal standing up; though I wish there was more of it lol.)
Not sure if we'll see many major investments in either park for awhile. Wonder woman was a bit better than the CP wild mouse addition but Magic Mountain is plagued by adding sub par coasters just to maintain their status as coaster capital of the world and guess what, energylandia in Poland is right on their tail with 19. Cedar Fair I think has struggled since COVID and giving everyone a free year on season passes (while that was the most awesome thing anyone did and made me a life customer) probably hit them hard in the wallet. CP is down a few coasters - Wildcat, Dragster, and Wicked Twister. The wild mouse seems to take the place of wildcat in the lineup more than wicked Twister. Idk if we'll really see them get back up to their former amount of coasters or see a big investment in the park until modified dragster returns (and again isn't that just getting them back where they were before minus Wicked Twister?) So in general I did enjoy the video but below would be my changes - 1. Riddler's Revenge blows Valraven out of the water. SOOOO much better and underappreciated. Length is the main factor and that I LOVE standup coasters. Valraven is just over way to quickly 2. Jr Gemini (wilderness Run) vs Magic Flyer makes more sense to me. It would be a win for CP. I personally would prefer Jr Gemini because while they both are tiny and boring, it's clearly the better of the 2. 3. As for left over coasters, I think you should only get 1 point for major coasters (same as ranking system) so I would give CP 1.5 for Gemini and Wild Mouse. I would give Magic Mountain 2.5 for Full Throttle, X2, and 2 lame kiddy coasters. I think the parks are tied in my ranking thanks to me throwing CP a bone with the Kiddy Coasters. However, if you left out the Kiddy Coasters and reduced X2 to 1 point, Magic Mountain still comes out on top because of the riddler revenge vs Valraven.
Buy or Sell: Cedar Point decides to create a second station on the current return track, and then turns it into a “Top Thrill Drag Race”, with the train making it highest up the top hat winning the race. This would actually make a cool theme, and if they add LSM launches to both sides, it’d be more reliable and could have greater capacity.
Factor in wait times and SFMM wins in a landslide! We went to Magic Mountain mid week in April, September and October and got 30+ coaster rides each visit, all without Flash Passes. We didnt get 30 rides in 3 days at Cedar Point, and one of the days we had Fastlane.
Magic mountain has the luxury of being open all year. Went with my friends right after school started and there were NO lines. We rode 8 coasters in 2 hours then we were sick. Made me appreciate the CP lines more.
@@k44t.while cedar point has a much better top 2, magic mountain has a significantly better top 3, and CP has a significant fall off after maverick, while magic mountains lineup compliments itself much better than CP, even if the individual coasters are better at CP.
Nah Magic Mountain's supporting lineup is stupid strong. Amazing hang time on Full Throttle, Awesome GCI with Apocalypse, fun and unique multi-launch with WCR, fantastic large and smooth B&M looper with Riddler, Bat clones are always good inverts despite being clones, Viper is arguably the best or second best Arrow looper behind Tennessee Tornado. We don't talk about Scream and Goliath though I'll admit that. Also Ninja kills Iron Dragon by a landslide but the two Mine Trains are barely ahead of each other.
Every time Magic Mountain’s coaster lineup is compared to another park, X2 having no match in America is always what gives Magic Mountain the win. You could almost say that the coaster is Magic Mountain’s…X factor…😎
Putting them all in a ranking list together (not including apocalypse which was closed during my visit) 1. Millennium Force 2. Magnum XL 200 3. Maverick 4. Steel Vengeance 5. Top Thrill Dragster 6. Tatsu 7. Riddler's Revenge 8. Superman Escape from Kypton 9. Gatekeeper 10. Raptor 11. Twisted Colossus 12. X2 13. Revolution 14. Valraven 15. Viper 16. Wonder woman 17. Batman (MM) 18. West Coast Racers 19. Full Throttle 20. Scream 21. Gemini 22. Ninja 23. Iron Dragon 24. Blue Streak 25. Rougarou 26. Corkscrew 27. Gold Rusher 28. Cedar Creek Mine Ride 29. Wicked Twister All the Kiddy Coasters lumped together
I am literally visiting both Magic Mountain and Cedar Point this year. I am interested to see which park I will think has the ultimate coaster collection.
Magic Mountain has the numbers, but Cedar Point has the quality. I’ll take quality over quantity. You can see even in this battle that MM won because of wins for very minor coasters whereas CP won the major coaster battles. Maverick and Steve are both better than anything at MM, and CP’s top 5 is unbeatable by any other park. Cedar Point wins in my book by far.
I would personally put Rougarou over Scream any day, I just think it’s such a weird layout for a floorless coaster, and that gives it a bit of extra charm over a Magic Mountain’s Shaky, Cloned, Parking lot coaster
These are my two home parks. I grew up in Michigan so Cedar Point is where it all started for me until until about age 18. And now I've lived in Los Angeles for the last 30 years and Magic Mountain is 20 minutes from my house. I feel very fortunate that these two have been my home parks. They're both awesome. Cedar Point is the nicer all around park for sure... but we have X2... which should be worth about 50 points. And Tatsu. And Drop of Doom. Viper demolishes corkscrew. Ninja is way better than Iron Dragon. We also have year-round warm weather. And we're a progressive state, not a Republican state, which gives us more bonus points. But Cedar Point has Steel Vengeance and Millennium Force... and Top Thrill (but that's as we all know is currently out of commission). I've been to both parks this year. Cedar point is the better park for sure... but Magic Mountain also rules. They are both top of the pile parks. Love 'em both. But Magic Mountain has the only 4D coaster in the country. Ah hell, I love em both!
Very fair comparison imo. Yeah, maybe Cedar Point has a slight edge in consistency but Magic Mountain's sheer quantity pushes it ever so slightly over the edge... but in a head to head on the COASTERS and not overall park quality.
Good vid but I would always choose Cedar Point over MM because it just better top coasters, SV, Maverick and millennium are just beyond iconic at this point for coaster enthusiasts. MM is no slouch but any means but Cedar Point is still the go to spot.
GREAT VIDEO.....MY HOME PARK CEDAR POINT VS "MY FAVORITE OTHER PARK" MAGIC MOUNTAIN....Fun Fact; Magic Mountain was actually my home park from 1989 to 1993 when i lived in Southern Calif as a kid. LOVED WATCHING THIS I was just at MM in September to ride Wonder Woman and Finally got to experience X-2 MM is without a doubt my 2nd fav park HOWEVER Revolution DOES NOT BEAT CORKSCREW!!!! SO the score is really 10.5 - CEDAR POINT/ AND 9.5 - MAGIC MOUNTAIN You were very close and i obviously agree with all but 1 matchup where you just got confused, no biggie lol LMBO CEDAR POINT WITH THE NARROW VICTORY!!! Love your channel keep it up going to be a great 2023 season and cant wait to see what happens with TTD @Cedar Point...any thoughts or ideas what is happening with TTD? Would love to hear your thoughts
Dissagree. REVOLUTION Dwarfs Corkscrew, with all its Hills and Revolution doesn't need more Tham 1 Loop. What Kills Revolution is that it comes to a stall before going through the Loop. I favor REVOLUTION by a good Mile.
I'm gonna be honest, if you get a hood ride on corkscrew it can pull some real good forces (and can sometimes be smooth). I'd personally put it over revolution.
Ooh. My gripe is 2 points for X2. Yes it's rare, but only because the original manufacturer was so inept at their job (I shouldn't say inept, more like unwilling to adapt) they went under before more could be built and had to rely on someone else to fix the problem not shortly after opening. So honestly it's a tie for me. I also felt the quarter point for the extra kiddie coasters was a nice balancing act.
I think it gets two points because not only is it rare but it's a super elite coaster. In terms of intensity the only thing that rivals it is I305. And in terms of a wild coaster experience it is unrivaled in North America with the only real competition being the S&S giant 4D coasters and Ride to Happiness. Think about it this way: if Twisted Colossus didn't exist and Steel Vengeance didn't have a comparable coaster at Magic Mountain, I'd argue that it would be fair to give Cedar Point two points for it. So in a way, giving Steel Vengeance the point over Twisted Colossus is mathematically equivalent to giving two points for Steel Vengeance and one point for Twisted Colossus. What I'm saying is that it makes sense to give more points to the exceptionally great coasters and X2 is absolutely one of those. And I'd go as far as to say that the only two coasters between the two parks that are in that echelon are Steel Vengeance and X2.
awesome video, but I think Millie should have been 2 points over Goliath. But I guess most people wouldn’t agree with that. Also, I usually agree with you on coasters, but I just don’t understand the love for magnum. I’ve ridden it a few times on 2 separate trips, and on every ride I just wanted the thing to end. The triangle hills brutally crushed my thighs. I heard someone say stapling yourself with your seatbelt minimizes the pain. I’m going to try that if I get out there again. I really want to like that ride, but I just don’t. I love X2’s insanity and steel eel’s forces, which I would think is similar to magnum’s airtime, so idk why I’m not into magnum.
Ride Magnum in a row that's not over a wheel. So like rows 2, 5, 8, 11, 14, and you are safe. Row 5 will still give you great airtime, but not beat you up so badly coming into the valleys. Magnum is still a great ride.
Will support the seatbelt idea. I've done like 30 rides over the last two years and I've found that making the seatbelt tight while keeping the restraint relatively loose does wonders. The ops are generally enthusiasts themselves and not very staple happy in my experience, so you can get a decent amount of room.
Try riding towards the back. For my first ride I tried the magic seat, and I experienced much the same thing you did. But then I tried it out a few more times towards the back and it was much better. The back six rows or so smooth out the hills enough for me to enjoy it.
@@RoachOverlord I tend to like row 5 on Magnum, and most definitely row 17 on the Beast. Even after the retrack, which made riding in 18 doable, I just like the ride in 17 better.
You know, thinking about it, I'm not sure I can actually count Escape From Krypton as a strata. Just eyeballing it, there is 100% at least 15 feet between the top of the structure and the highest point that the car actually reaches.
Thanks for the laugh. Magic Mountain had 3 non-kiddie coasters open this past Sunday and lacks the money to repair their broken rides. The coaster lineup not operated by crackheads always wins.
Personally, between the two, Cedar Point to me, wins hands down. Though not because of their coaster line up. It is because Cedar Point still has a mode of transport that Magic Mountain has long since removed.
ive been to both i definitly perfer the lineup at cedar point since it was my home park growing up in indiana, from my experience on X2 i think its just overrated as a ride model but ive seen that its either loved or hated so i guess i cant complain to much Mavrick is still my #1 coaster closely followed by STEVE definitely need to find time to go to more of the smaller parks like Silver dollar city dollywood and hershey park
When Cedar Point opens the reimagined Top Thrill Dragster, I can imagine Six Flags will have an answer for that with a reimagining of Kingda Ka at Great Adventure. Other parks with Intamin Hydraulic Launch coasters might follow suit afterwards.
The operations at Magic Mountain have gotten so bad that you really can’t compare these two parks fairly anymore. I’ve gone six times in the past year with my season pass and during those visits Goliath, X2, Scream, and Riddler have each been open ONCE. One time each out of six visits on peak days. I’m just happy I got to ride Wonder Woman before I canceled.
I think it is pretty close. I look at it slightly different. Steel Vengeance is my #1 overall. Solid advantage for Cedar Point. Coasters in my Top 25: Maverick (#11), X2 (#15), Twisted Colossus (#17), and Magnum (#19). That is a push. Coasters in my Top 50 (26-50): TTD (#31), Millennium Force (#32), Wonder Woman (#36), Tatsu (#47). Slight advantage for Cedar Point pending what they do with TTD. Coasters in my Top 100. Gate Keeper (#70), Raptor (#79), Gemini (#100), Apocalypse (#72), Full Throttle (#80), West Coast Racers (#95). Again a push. Coasters in my Top 250. Valravn (#171), Blue Streak (#172), Rougarou (#217), Batman (#107), Viper (#174), Ninja (#195), Goliath (#197), Riddler's (#215), Superman (#228). SFMM has more coasters in this level. Advantage SFMM. I think Cedar Point is a little better still. It would be a push or possibly a slight edge for SFMM without Steel Vengeance.
Hey, did you all see the LSM cars from Zamperla for launch coasters? Amazing looking and they said they have devoted more time investing in the roller coaster division over the last few years and stated the one project they are working on, and the other they said was happening as well, but they didn’t mention the Park, but the trains are for high speed lsm that can also go faster. IAPPA
X2 always gives me sweaty palms. I rode it so many times and I always get nervous. The other ride that I get that feeling is Drop of Doom. SFMM is so unique.
awesome video, i just visited magic mountain and hope to visit cedar point one day. I think magic mountain has more depth in terms of coasters, but in terms of top 3 or 4 coasters cedar point takes them any day. X2 and TC are awesome though
buy or sell: lagoons next ride after primordial will be as big or even bigger and better than canibal. Lagoon is my home park and every time i go their I notice how much space they have towards the back of the park for a big awesome ride.
I think Cedar point has higher quality rollercoasters. But overall, I think magic mountain has the better collection of coasters. And that's what the video was about. Although some of the comparisons I didn't agree with. An arrow looper should have been compared to an arrow looper (corkscrew/Viper). And hypercoaster vs hypercoaster (Goliath vs Magnum.) But overall great video and I concur!
I agree with all the head to head battles, giving 2 points to X2 I think is a stretch, I would call it a tie but wouldn't argue too much with someone who favored one over the other - I guess putting it in sports terms, CP has a better Strength of Victory, or more Quad 1 wins! Haha
it’s a little bit of a quality over quantity thing. cedar point has the higher quality in the top of the lineup but magic mountain has the quantity of amazing rides, though only a couple world-class ones
SFMM is better at the moment cuz they got ejector machines like TC and Wonderwoman Even tho they have SteVe and Magnum, they don’t have the strata and the 4 B&M loopers.
Great video and I agree. CP has better top coasters but Magic Mountain has more variety. I've been there on two separate trips and I STILL don't have all the credits. BTW, the Viper vs. Magnum pairing was the battle of my two favorite coasters. Not the greatest coasters in the world but my personal favorites. I hope they both live long lives.
I think magic mountain would be so much better if the hyper was actually good and gave airtime. Usually you cannot miss out on a park’s hyper, but I never really give Goliath a thought. A ride on Goliath is a waste of time that could’ve been spent on twicol.
I like Goliath. Rid it almost every time I'm at MM. It gets too much hate. TC sucks for tall dudes. The way they staple you into the seats is literally painful.
@@SANITIZEDINC I kinda agree with you. I think Goliath just gets a lot more hate than it should because it is at the Premier six flags park and a B & M hyper would’ve been much better. I don’t hate Goliath, it just seems like it could’ve done so much more with all of that height.
I don't think X2 should get more than 1 point. That making the score a tie. Being that I don't really care for Ninja or Scream - my ranking would put Cedar Point ahead. Growing up in SoCal this would have to be the case since it costs me $1000 dollars each time I travel to Cedar Point. Halloweekends vs Fight Fest - no voting needed - Cedar Point wins that one. Best On Site hotel - Opps Cedar Point wins that one (love the Breakers).
I'm gonna have to agree with you 💯 I say that MM is a bit better ..But cedar point is a park to reckon with..It's a monster...I'll visit cedar point any day of the year..
My main gripe with the coaster battles is that the battles for categories like RMC hybrids and mega coasters are worth as many points as the battles for mine trains, junior coasters, etc. I know it's in good fun but I'm like there should be a more in depth scoring system or something.
True BUT if they're both really good they cancel each other out. I didnt think any of the matchups were so lopsided it deserved 2 points, other than possibly MF over Goliath
@@AirtimeThrills Not even that. It's just that you broke your scoring system by valuing that ride 2x more than any other.
@@nafspark I agree that X2 should have only gotten 1 point. Sure it's a major ride but you could argue that you should have run it up against Gatekeeper since they are both "winged" with riders on sides of the track. X2 would have won, leaving Tatsu behind as the extra coaster. While tatsu is amazing, I don't think anyone is saying it deserves more than one point. Especially since in the system established in the video coasters never got more than 1 point. I understand half and quarter points for the Wild Mouse and Kiddy Coasters. But if Millennium Force and Steel Vengeance are only getting 1 point, X2 should never be allowed to get more than 1 point.
@@johnniehaus6581 I think it’s pretty clear he intentionally modified the system at the end to avoid a tie and get people riled up.
@@chriskleps7253 I would have been satisfied with a tie rather than breaking/modifying the scoring system. Why can't we just say that they are both exceptional coaster destinations? Regardless, everyone is welcome to their opinion and maybe the 2 points for X2 made sense other people but to me it was just wrong
Imma be honest, I get genuinely excited when I see that you’ve released a new vid. Love this guy
Here here!
Same
Me too!
Agreed
What you should’ve done is the Arrow loopers (Viper VS Corkscrew) and the ejector machines (Wonder Woman VS Magnum)
That could have worked also
Viper would’ve destroyed corkscrew
Would've rendered the same result. Corkscrew really sucks. At least the 1 ride I got on it had me saying "never again." "All American No Fun Pain Machine" would be an appropriate name for it.
Oh. Steel vengeance should’ve been 2-3 points
@@hypa_surge6226 You think it's THAT much better than Twisted Colossus?
Big problem with Magic Mountain is how many coasters are closed on a regular basis. Hopefully the shift to weekends only during the off season will address that.
I’ve been to Magic Mountain four times in the past few weeks, and almost half their major coasters are closed. But what people don’t realize is that we are in the off-season. I went from complaining about ops to understanding that we’re fortunate the park’s even open year round. I was at Magic Mountain back in August and every single coaster was open. Of course, people who buy day passes are getting screwed without fair warning, but aside from that, I can’t really be too mad.
It’s true, but it’s a 365 park. Summer time they’re always all open. CP unfortunately has none open more than half the year if we’re sticking with the video theme 😂
@@devdevthrills 365 no more. They(Magic Mountain) are going back to seasonal now.
@@seanlewis1148 yeah true, more like 345 now lol
Slip Maker correct and i think it shod have an indoor dark coaster to escape the heat in summer
I feel like Cedar Point overall has the best top 4 out of any park, and a really great 5-10 lineup. It seems like the ranking system should be more weighted like what you did for the extra coasters, because the amount of separation between Millennium Force and Goliath should be counted way more than between Ninja and Iron Dragon. Still a very good vid though! So happy to wake up and see you uploaded!
I actually was going to give 2 pts for lopsided wins but there really werent any insanely lopsided matchups, aside from possibly MF and Goliath, but even then MF isnt a perfect ride so i left it at 1
Best Top 4 Of Any Park? *Hersheypark Has Left The Chat*
If you ranked your favorites at CP 1-16 and did the same for MM (top 16) and just lined them up and decided which would you rather ride, I think CP would have more of my favorites. Totally agree there is absolutely nothing like X2 anywhere at CP or in any US park so it is hard to compare.
I feel like that is the one thing that gives sfmm’s lineup the edge over cedar points for me, Cedar Point doesn’t have any extremely unusual coasters or anything I’d consider one of a kind in the US
Agree w this assessment. Grew up going to Cedar point every year and it will always be the best in my eyes and I will die on that hill. but now live in SoCal and wowwww the X2 blew my mind
I will say I felt a bit safer at Cedar Point.
This needs to be a regular thing!
This was a work of art
your videos are always so well put together and well researched / edited despite the often releases! yet another great job on this video, i found it very interesting. keep it up!
In my opinion Magic Mountain's supporting lineup is amazing but the top 3 can kind of sell Magic Mountain short compared to Cedar Point. I can't get over how solid each Magic Mountain coaster is they are all very unique and powerful. Except Scream and Goliath. But out of the 16 thrill and extreme coasters only 2 really stand out as being bad. Maybe Gold Rusher kind of sucks but it's just janky not super painful or unpleasant. Every other coaster in my opinion is top of their class it's hard to even rank them outside the big 4.
Pretty good coaster comparison! Although a lot of people love to compare these collections, especially with how iconic and just how many coasters they have but I really think they both feel very different (both as a park and coaster collections)
Yes they do, Magic Mountain is just a place you go for the coasters the atmosphere isn't that great and food isn't great either. Whereas Cedar Point is just fun to chill at and has some great food spots. Because they both feel so vastly differently is why Magic Mountain isn't in my top 5 theme parks, where as Cedar point is
Great video! Id love to see this become a series! I think the battle of Ohio would be interesting. Or the two Busch parks.
Yes, I think a battle of two Busch Gardens will be the best.
@@acmodelmaster1944 the busch parks would be good since they did try and mirror each others additions
@@AirtimeThrills Tried, but got Drachen Fired...
If dragster is removed fully, I’d say CP is in a bit of a slump (relatively lol) but I’m super excited for future projects
Wouldn't have changed the end result, but I'm surprised you didn't go with Maverick vs Full Throttle for the short launch coaster and then West Coast Racers vs Gemini as racing coasters. Seemed like those would be better comparisons to each other. Glad to see someone breaking down that Cedar Point is by no means the same Cedar Point they were 5+ years ago.
True, that would have worked. I liked the low to the ground launch comparison though (which is what i meant by short)
As I started the vid, I thought…this has Cedar Fair fanboy written all over it… and then that outcome. Nice going. Love this vids. Keep em coming.
Good video! Have to agree with your picks. If I want a variety, I’d easily pick Magic Mountain. If I want like 6-7 good coasters, I’d pick Cedar Point.
Agree. There is nothing like cedar point’s Millenium Force and the Raptor for me. Magic mountain had too many coasters for me
Well said! Magic Mountain has some unrivaled variety with the B&M flyer, invert, floorless, and Standup, good Arrow Coasters (X2, Viper, Ninja, Goldrusher), a Schwarzkopf Looper, a GCI, a dueling RMC, a Giovanolla hyper (which is a rare type in my opinion seeing as only 2 were built), whatever type of coaster Superman is (last of it's kinda operating), and guess what they still have more. CP clearly has superior rides/layouts but less one of a kind rides. Gemini is actually one of their more rare types as is Magnum XL 200. The only other Arrow Hypers I know about is Pepsi max Big One and Desperado. The only other Arrow Custom Steel Coaster I know of is Excalibur at Valleyfair! However, the message of this video and comments section should be that if you haven't been to both Parks, you need to! They are both amazing in different ways!
Dont forget cedar point is more like a destination because of the hotel, the beach etc.
This was so fun to watch. Great work!
Such a fun coaster battle! Sadly I have never been to been to Magic Mountain yet, but it is very high on my theme park bucket list.
Please do more park/coaster battles in this format!
It’s a lot closer than I thought it would be! The way I see it, my top 3 parks are Magic Mountain, Kings Island, and Cedar Point. Magic Mountian has good quantity, Kings Island has great quality, but Cedar Point has both!
hershey has to be in there somewhere though
@@MartinDipple-z6o Haven't been yet, it's the park I want to go to the second most behind Islands of Adventure
this reminds me of Coaster studios old park battles/coaster battle series. I think you should do more of this, maybe compare parks in a chain, BGT vs BGW for example
Millennium Force, Dragster, Steel Vengeance was the ultimate holy trinity. No park I’ve been to can match that.
Mid tier giga, one trick pony, and best coaster on the planet. Magic Mountain got: rip your head off and break your back, frustrate you when there isn't a duel, and make you shit your pants then crush you with absurd positive G's. In all honesty though TC is my favorite all time coaster and I love how X2 beats my ass up it makes me come back for seconds.
It's strange how a park with more coasters and more overall intensity is no where near Cedar Point for me. Been to both multiple times and leave Cedar Point always feeling like a different person.
I love this series. Cedar Fair vs Six Flags, I can see many more of these great videos. Kings Island vs Great Adventure or Great America FTW or Worlds of Fun vs Six Flags St Louis.
I'd really love to see how these matches would shape up, even a Michigan's Adventure vs Great Escape.
Maybe even have a battle of smaller parks like Kennywood vs the World - also, Steel Curtain is the best-themed coaster on Earth if you are a sports fan, acknowledge dem Steelers 🤠
I would definitely have been interested to see the flat ride differences purely because of Crazanity
Comparing coaster lineups by strictly matching up “similar” coaster is an extremely inefficient way of seeing which park has a better lineup. Imo its just better and easier to just go by ranking each coaster from best to worst.
Would be interesting to see this done chain-wide all six flags coasters vs all cedar fair coasters.
I think this is closer than most people. I think Magic Mountain had the edge prior to Steel Vengeance. And with WCR and Wonder Woman I think Cedar Point still wins. But I think X2, TC and Tatsu top anything at CP prior to Steel Vengeance (sorry Maverick and Millennium Force.) And both have very solid supporting line ups, though Goliath is pretty disappointing given how little you get for how big it is. But otherwise the supporting line ups are fairly comparable.
At long last, it will be settled. Btw, you should do kings dominion vs BGW next in this series
Thatd be interesting because they intentionally stay away from each others models
Yes you should!!
Anaconda vs Loch Ness
Dominator vs Alpengeist
Intimidator vs Either Pantheon or Apollo
Great Pumpkin vs Grover
One of the three woodies (don’t know which) vs InvadR
Flight of Fear vs Tempesto
Backlot Stunt Coaster vs Verbolten (or DarKoaster)
I’m out of Ideas.
It’s really hard to argue against SV> Twisted Colossus, but Twisted colossus deserves some credit towards the point total simply due to how unique it is. I would have given it a point just because it’s that good and maybe give Steel Vengeance an extra point if it is your number 1, it’s my #2 behind TC
Exactly, the fact you do laps also helps me enjoy the ride more, even if it hurts the pacing.
@@zardsire2012 I don’t even mind the pacing being hurt, it’s the perfect break before going all over again, at the end of the day, it is the longer coaster (ride time)
@@griffdale1556 I guess it is good to give people time to reset before doing another lap of the ride.
Griff Dale Steal Vengence is my number 1 RMC TC or Wicked Cyclone 2nd TC most likly
It would be really interesting to see parks ranked by your average ranking of their coasters. People talk about these parks being the best of the best, but they are also owned by some of the largest and most profitable park chains in the country. Average ranking of coasters may help account for financial and space differences.
All I can say is one park operates year round and the other doesn't. And it's still that close!!!
Comparing Magic Mountain to Cedar Point is like comparing Disneyland with Walt Disney World. Both are very different parks, different atmospheres, and different state of minds. The parks on the east coast will always have an advantage over the west coast as there are way more than them and that's where most of the coaster enthusiasts live. Still, great video as always. This is one of my top favorite channels to watch!
i wait for these uploads man thank you 🙏🏼
Awesome video as always. Agreed, SFMM has a larger collection, but the overall experience at CF is overall better
Great video. These two parks certainly get a lot of debate. I vastly prefer Cedar Point's lineup because they have the quality on top, and I also actually prefer their supporting lineup too, but I get what this video is trying to go for. Only thing I will say is that I think X2 is overrated and not worth 2 points. I get that this would've ended the video in a tie but that's just what I think.
And yeah, once you take a look at these parks past just their coaster collections, it's really not a competition. The food, ops, atmosphere, landscaping, employees are all better at Cedar Point. Like way better. Like, I try to view my parks more holistically than just the rides, and I sometimes can't believe people even put these two parks in the same tier. Especially in the past few months, Magic Mountain has really taken a dive. The amount of closures on the average visit recently has just been ridiculous. That park needs help badly.
I can appreciate this comment. As someone who grew up in LA going to Magic Mountain since I was a kid, I tend to wonder what an outsider who's never been must think, verses what the reality is. I've always felt it was so crammed, especially now with 20 coasters. The layout too is just annoying to navigate with the giant hill in the center. The employees, food, and general crowd is hardly on the classy side. I've never even been to Cedar Point (only seen videos over the years), and I can already tell it's the better park. Twisted Colossus is my favorite coaster at Magic Mountain, and I'm hoping to get over to Cedar once and for all to ride Steel Vengeance, among their other elites.
I will say that SFMM may have more coasters and I do agree with your point system, but if we look at how the parks are run (company wise) Cedar Point runs more smoothly: they have a ride closure maintenance schedule, they don’t have to compete with other parks go stay open year round, and the overall park has a better atmosphere (opinion).
In a few years, seeing Hershey vs one of these parks would be interesting
Good video. Must be noted that SFMM is having a lot of trouble getting even half their coasters up the past few months from what I've read, so yeah, they have overall more coasters but good luck riding them.
Yeah thats an issue with them all the time, there seems to be one ride or two that have extended downtime
SFMM has CP beat on quantity, plus some excellent quality. They each have an awesome 1-2 punch. Opinions will vary on CPs # 2, and that's how CP is an easy win in my eyes--the depth of CP's top coasters. X2 or SV could be my overall # 1, and Twisted Colossus & Maverick are very close. But after those, I've got Millennium Force, Gatekeeper, & Dragster all ranked ahead of my # 3 at SFMM.
I haven't been to CP, but I am EXTREMELY good at knowing where I would rank rides before I ride them. The only one I (was) unsure of is TTD because in all my years of going to Knott's, NOT ONCE has Xcelerator been open >:(.
I do think that MM has the better coaster collection personally, but because SteVe exists, people forget how awesome some rides at MM are, although I admit my rankings are a bit unusual.
My (speculative) rankings between the two parks:
X2 MM
SteVe CP
Full Throttle MM (FT is so underrated it's a crime)
TC MM
ValRavn CP
Tatsu MM
Riddler MM (I'm actually glad it's a standup. The hangtime/airtime feels completely unreal standing up; though I wish there was more of it lol.)
Damn, you & Ryan both have videos out on the same day. It must be my birthday.
Pretty great comparison. The only major thing I would change would be Valravn and Riddler's.
That’s a great collection awesome video!
Not sure if we'll see many major investments in either park for awhile. Wonder woman was a bit better than the CP wild mouse addition but Magic Mountain is plagued by adding sub par coasters just to maintain their status as coaster capital of the world and guess what, energylandia in Poland is right on their tail with 19. Cedar Fair I think has struggled since COVID and giving everyone a free year on season passes (while that was the most awesome thing anyone did and made me a life customer) probably hit them hard in the wallet. CP is down a few coasters - Wildcat, Dragster, and Wicked Twister. The wild mouse seems to take the place of wildcat in the lineup more than wicked Twister. Idk if we'll really see them get back up to their former amount of coasters or see a big investment in the park until modified dragster returns (and again isn't that just getting them back where they were before minus Wicked Twister?) So in general I did enjoy the video but below would be my changes -
1. Riddler's Revenge blows Valraven out of the water. SOOOO much better and underappreciated. Length is the main factor and that I LOVE standup coasters. Valraven is just over way to quickly
2. Jr Gemini (wilderness Run) vs Magic Flyer makes more sense to me. It would be a win for CP. I personally would prefer Jr Gemini because while they both are tiny and boring, it's clearly the better of the 2.
3. As for left over coasters, I think you should only get 1 point for major coasters (same as ranking system) so I would give CP 1.5 for Gemini and Wild Mouse. I would give Magic Mountain 2.5 for Full Throttle, X2, and 2 lame kiddy coasters. I think the parks are tied in my ranking thanks to me throwing CP a bone with the Kiddy Coasters. However, if you left out the Kiddy Coasters and reduced X2 to 1 point, Magic Mountain still comes out on top because of the riddler revenge vs Valraven.
The one thing I would change is Cedar Point's complacency factor, which is really high right now.
Sad but true
Buy or Sell:
Cedar Point decides to create a second station on the current return track, and then turns it into a “Top Thrill Drag Race”, with the train making it highest up the top hat winning the race.
This would actually make a cool theme, and if they add LSM launches to both sides, it’d be more reliable and could have greater capacity.
Drop race because in my opinion it sounds wrong
Factor in wait times and SFMM wins in a landslide! We went to Magic Mountain mid week in April, September and October and got 30+ coaster rides each visit, all without Flash Passes. We didnt get 30 rides in 3 days at Cedar Point, and one of the days we had Fastlane.
Magic mountain has the luxury of being open all year. Went with my friends right after school started and there were NO lines. We rode 8 coasters in 2 hours then we were sick. Made me appreciate the CP lines more.
I love the fact the kiddie coaster Woodstock Express is 3mph faster than the Cedar Creek Mine Train. :)
I bet if you polled enthusiasts, over 75% would say Cedar Point has a better collection of coasters.
it doesnt
@@casaboxeo6406 all of mm coasters are mild, the ones that beat cp's barely clear but when cp wins its by a huge margin.
@@k44t.while cedar point has a much better top 2, magic mountain has a significantly better top 3, and CP has a significant fall off after maverick, while magic mountains lineup compliments itself much better than CP, even if the individual coasters are better at CP.
@@crudkip4326 I couldn’t agree with you more! And I feel like not enough people say this!!!
Nah Magic Mountain's supporting lineup is stupid strong. Amazing hang time on Full Throttle, Awesome GCI with Apocalypse, fun and unique multi-launch with WCR, fantastic large and smooth B&M looper with Riddler, Bat clones are always good inverts despite being clones, Viper is arguably the best or second best Arrow looper behind Tennessee Tornado.
We don't talk about Scream and Goliath though I'll admit that.
Also Ninja kills Iron Dragon by a landslide but the two Mine Trains are barely ahead of each other.
I don’t get the hate for milly, it’s awesome
Most underrated coaster of all time
iTs FoRcElEsS!!!1!!!!
Said every commenter who greys out on the first turn.
@@kenny-fair FACTS
@@joemarais7683 lol I didn’t but to be fair I’ve never grayed out on a coaster in my life sooooo
Love the new intro, great job!
Every time Magic Mountain’s coaster lineup is compared to another park, X2 having no match in America is always what gives Magic Mountain the win. You could almost say that the coaster is Magic Mountain’s…X factor…😎
I’ll give you this. The x2 is the best ride at MM by leaps and bounds
I could almost say that and i think ive even used that line a few times lol
@@emilydiepenbrock312 i prefer TC X2 2nd
Putting them all in a ranking list together (not including apocalypse which was closed during my visit)
1. Millennium Force
2. Magnum XL 200
3. Maverick
4. Steel Vengeance
5. Top Thrill Dragster
6. Tatsu
7. Riddler's Revenge
8. Superman Escape from Kypton
9. Gatekeeper
10. Raptor
11. Twisted Colossus
12. X2
13. Revolution
14. Valraven
15. Viper
16. Wonder woman
17. Batman (MM)
18. West Coast Racers
19. Full Throttle
20. Scream
21. Gemini
22. Ninja
23. Iron Dragon
24. Blue Streak
25. Rougarou
26. Corkscrew
27. Gold Rusher
28. Cedar Creek Mine Ride
29. Wicked Twister
All the Kiddy Coasters lumped together
I am literally visiting both Magic Mountain and Cedar Point this year. I am interested to see which park I will think has the ultimate coaster collection.
Magic Mountain has the numbers, but Cedar Point has the quality. I’ll take quality over quantity. You can see even in this battle that MM won because of wins for very minor coasters whereas CP won the major coaster battles. Maverick and Steve are both better than anything at MM, and CP’s top 5 is unbeatable by any other park. Cedar Point wins in my book by far.
I would personally put Rougarou over Scream any day, I just think it’s such a weird layout for a floorless coaster, and that gives it a bit of extra charm over a Magic Mountain’s Shaky, Cloned, Parking lot coaster
I saw Cedar Point has the edge because they have more higher quality coasters
just started with the video so I don't know how it'll end yet- my heart is rooting for SFMM but my gut tells me CP is gonna win this one.
These are my two home parks. I grew up in Michigan so Cedar Point is where it all started for me until until about age 18. And now I've lived in Los Angeles for the last 30 years and Magic Mountain is 20 minutes from my house. I feel very fortunate that these two have been my home parks. They're both awesome. Cedar Point is the nicer all around park for sure... but we have X2... which should be worth about 50 points. And Tatsu. And Drop of Doom. Viper demolishes corkscrew. Ninja is way better than Iron Dragon. We also have year-round warm weather. And we're a progressive state, not a Republican state, which gives us more bonus points. But Cedar Point has Steel Vengeance and Millennium Force... and Top Thrill (but that's as we all know is currently out of commission). I've been to both parks this year. Cedar point is the better park for sure... but Magic Mountain also rules. They are both top of the pile parks. Love 'em both. But Magic Mountain has the only 4D coaster in the country. Ah hell, I love em both!
Meanwhile I lived in LA for a decade and live in MI now.
Being a Democrat (Progressive) State is nothing to be proud of, you actually lose points being a Regressive state like that, where people are leaving.
Very fair comparison imo. Yeah, maybe Cedar Point has a slight edge in consistency but Magic Mountain's sheer quantity pushes it ever so slightly over the edge... but in a head to head on the COASTERS and not overall park quality.
Good vid but I would always choose Cedar Point over MM because it just better top coasters, SV, Maverick and millennium are just beyond iconic at this point for coaster enthusiasts. MM is no slouch but any means but Cedar Point is still the go to spot.
NO MORE GETTING SICK FOREVER AND FOREVER
Going to magic mountain first week in January, praying everything is open for at least 1 day
with WCR & WW, magic mountain is catching up in quality in my opinion. the big thing holding them back is the trash hyper and the lack of a giga.
Trash Hyper 1 is running everything
GREAT VIDEO.....MY HOME PARK CEDAR POINT VS "MY FAVORITE OTHER PARK" MAGIC MOUNTAIN....Fun Fact; Magic Mountain was actually my home park from 1989 to 1993 when i lived in Southern Calif as a kid. LOVED WATCHING THIS I was just at MM in September to ride Wonder Woman and Finally got to experience X-2 MM is without a doubt my 2nd fav park HOWEVER Revolution DOES NOT BEAT CORKSCREW!!!! SO the score is really
10.5 - CEDAR POINT/ AND 9.5 - MAGIC MOUNTAIN You were very close and i obviously agree with all but 1 matchup where you just got confused, no biggie lol LMBO CEDAR POINT WITH THE NARROW VICTORY!!! Love your channel keep it up going to be a great 2023 season and cant wait to see what happens with TTD @Cedar Point...any thoughts or ideas what is happening with TTD? Would love to hear your thoughts
Agree cedar point should have won
Dissagree. REVOLUTION Dwarfs Corkscrew, with all its Hills and Revolution doesn't need more Tham 1 Loop.
What Kills Revolution is that it comes to a stall before going through the Loop.
I favor REVOLUTION by a good Mile.
I'm gonna be honest, if you get a hood ride on corkscrew it can pull some real good forces (and can sometimes be smooth). I'd personally put it over revolution.
Ooh. My gripe is 2 points for X2. Yes it's rare, but only because the original manufacturer was so inept at their job (I shouldn't say inept, more like unwilling to adapt) they went under before more could be built and had to rely on someone else to fix the problem not shortly after opening. So honestly it's a tie for me. I also felt the quarter point for the extra kiddie coasters was a nice balancing act.
same here, but also i am biased because after getting of x2 i could barely walk
I think it gets two points because not only is it rare but it's a super elite coaster. In terms of intensity the only thing that rivals it is I305. And in terms of a wild coaster experience it is unrivaled in North America with the only real competition being the S&S giant 4D coasters and Ride to Happiness.
Think about it this way: if Twisted Colossus didn't exist and Steel Vengeance didn't have a comparable coaster at Magic Mountain, I'd argue that it would be fair to give Cedar Point two points for it. So in a way, giving Steel Vengeance the point over Twisted Colossus is mathematically equivalent to giving two points for Steel Vengeance and one point for Twisted Colossus. What I'm saying is that it makes sense to give more points to the exceptionally great coasters and X2 is absolutely one of those. And I'd go as far as to say that the only two coasters between the two parks that are in that echelon are Steel Vengeance and X2.
@@zacg_ yep, it gets 2 points because its elite, plus there's nothing to match up against it
awesome video, but I think Millie should have been 2 points over Goliath. But I guess most people wouldn’t agree with that.
Also, I usually agree with you on coasters, but I just don’t understand the love for magnum. I’ve ridden it a few times on 2 separate trips, and on every ride I just wanted the thing to end. The triangle hills brutally crushed my thighs. I heard someone say stapling yourself with your seatbelt minimizes the pain. I’m going to try that if I get out there again. I really want to like that ride, but I just don’t. I love X2’s insanity and steel eel’s forces, which I would think is similar to magnum’s airtime, so idk why I’m not into magnum.
Ride Magnum in a row that's not over a wheel. So like rows 2, 5, 8, 11, 14, and you are safe. Row 5 will still give you great airtime, but not beat you up so badly coming into the valleys. Magnum is still a great ride.
Will support the seatbelt idea. I've done like 30 rides over the last two years and I've found that making the seatbelt tight while keeping the restraint relatively loose does wonders. The ops are generally enthusiasts themselves and not very staple happy in my experience, so you can get a decent amount of room.
Try riding towards the back. For my first ride I tried the magic seat, and I experienced much the same thing you did. But then I tried it out a few more times towards the back and it was much better. The back six rows or so smooth out the hills enough for me to enjoy it.
@@Spike-sk7ql I always go for the back car, middle row. Same advice that I give for The Beast.
@@RoachOverlord I tend to like row 5 on Magnum, and most definitely row 17 on the Beast. Even after the retrack, which made riding in 18 doable, I just like the ride in 17 better.
You know, thinking about it, I'm not sure I can actually count Escape From Krypton as a strata. Just eyeballing it, there is 100% at least 15 feet between the top of the structure and the highest point that the car actually reaches.
Thanks for the laugh. Magic Mountain had 3 non-kiddie coasters open this past Sunday and lacks the money to repair their broken rides. The coaster lineup not operated by crackheads always wins.
This is gonna be a great vid!
Personally, between the two, Cedar Point to me, wins hands down. Though not because of their coaster line up. It is because Cedar Point still has a mode of transport that Magic Mountain has long since removed.
Great video!
ive been to both i definitly perfer the lineup at cedar point since it was my home park growing up in indiana, from my experience on X2 i think its just overrated as a ride model but ive seen that its either loved or hated so i guess i cant complain to much Mavrick is still my #1 coaster closely followed by STEVE definitely need to find time to go to more of the smaller parks like Silver dollar city dollywood and hershey park
When Cedar Point opens the reimagined Top Thrill Dragster, I can imagine Six Flags will have an answer for that with a reimagining of Kingda Ka at Great Adventure.
Other parks with Intamin Hydraulic Launch coasters might follow suit afterwards.
Formula Rossa is NOT going anywhere. THEY WANT THE SPEED RECORD. The only thing I can see them doing is making the launch faster but that is unlikely.
I can't believe Scream won it's match! (good reasoning though, just funny)
The operations at Magic Mountain have gotten so bad that you really can’t compare these two parks fairly anymore. I’ve gone six times in the past year with my season pass and during those visits Goliath, X2, Scream, and Riddler have each been open ONCE. One time each out of six visits on peak days. I’m just happy I got to ride Wonder Woman before I canceled.
Yeah i havent had great luck with CP lately either regarding rides being open but sfmm especially being year round is worse
@@AirtimeThrills I mean, I’d like to know that Goliath is terrible from firsthand experience, not just from your channel.
I think it is pretty close. I look at it slightly different. Steel Vengeance is my #1 overall. Solid advantage for Cedar Point. Coasters in my Top 25: Maverick (#11), X2 (#15), Twisted Colossus (#17), and Magnum (#19). That is a push. Coasters in my Top 50 (26-50): TTD (#31), Millennium Force (#32), Wonder Woman (#36), Tatsu (#47). Slight advantage for Cedar Point pending what they do with TTD. Coasters in my Top 100. Gate Keeper (#70), Raptor (#79), Gemini (#100), Apocalypse (#72), Full Throttle (#80), West Coast Racers (#95). Again a push. Coasters in my Top 250. Valravn (#171), Blue Streak (#172), Rougarou (#217), Batman (#107), Viper (#174), Ninja (#195), Goliath (#197), Riddler's (#215), Superman (#228). SFMM has more coasters in this level. Advantage SFMM. I think Cedar Point is a little better still. It would be a push or possibly a slight edge for SFMM without Steel Vengeance.
And Tatsu has the best Pretzel Loop ever. That loop is crazy!!!!!
Wow that’s a lot of coasters
Hey, did you all see the LSM cars from Zamperla for launch coasters? Amazing looking and they said they have devoted more time investing in the roller coaster division over the last few years and stated the one project they are working on, and the other they said was happening as well, but they didn’t mention the Park, but the trains are for high speed lsm that can also go faster. IAPPA
Cp has corkscrew so that's an automatic win
X2 always gives me sweaty palms. I rode it so many times and I always get nervous. The other ride that I get that feeling is Drop of Doom. SFMM is so unique.
I would be interesting to see Energy Landia ranked up along side these two in the same format
Energylandia would get smoked...its way too top heavy
Or maybe Cedar Point vs Hershey Park now that they’re getting Wildcat’s Revenge
Yeah but it still would have been interesting to see
Great video! Will there be a Kings Island vs Six Flags Great America video in the future?
Perhaps. ..or a battle for Ohio
awesome video, i just visited magic mountain and hope to visit cedar point one day. I think magic mountain has more depth in terms of coasters, but in terms of top 3 or 4 coasters cedar point takes them any day. X2 and TC are awesome though
For everyone who see's this, my brother got a like from Airtime Thrills so that means that I'm cool too.
buy or sell: lagoons next ride after primordial will be as big or even bigger and better than canibal. Lagoon is my home park and every time i go their I notice how much space they have towards the back of the park for a big awesome ride.
Down the line, you should revisit the predictions that users made and see how you did!
This reminds me of an old-school coaster studios video
I think Cedar point has higher quality rollercoasters. But overall, I think magic mountain has the better collection of coasters. And that's what the video was about. Although some of the comparisons I didn't agree with. An arrow looper should have been compared to an arrow looper (corkscrew/Viper). And hypercoaster vs hypercoaster (Goliath vs Magnum.) But overall great video and I concur!
I agree with all the head to head battles, giving 2 points to X2 I think is a stretch, I would call it a tie but wouldn't argue too much with someone who favored one over the other - I guess putting it in sports terms, CP has a better Strength of Victory, or more Quad 1 wins! Haha
it’s a little bit of a quality over quantity thing. cedar point has the higher quality in the top of the lineup but magic mountain has the quantity of amazing rides, though only a couple world-class ones
While you talking about launches on Supe & Dragster, I was like 'if this was MACK, it'd be 0-100 in 20 seconds.' Sorry, I was just amusing myself.
Haha 20 seconds is generous
@@AirtimeThrills I didn't want to exaggerate. LOL.
SFMM is better at the moment cuz they got ejector machines like TC and Wonderwoman
Even tho they have SteVe and Magnum, they don’t have the strata and the 4 B&M loopers.
Great video and I agree. CP has better top coasters but Magic Mountain has more variety. I've been there on two separate trips and I STILL don't have all the credits.
BTW, the Viper vs. Magnum pairing was the battle of my two favorite coasters. Not the greatest coasters in the world but my personal favorites. I hope they both live long lives.
I have the same affinity for those old arrows
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I think magic mountain would be so much better if the hyper was actually good and gave airtime. Usually you cannot miss out on a park’s hyper, but I never really give Goliath a thought. A ride on Goliath is a waste of time that could’ve been spent on twicol.
I like Goliath. Rid it almost every time I'm at MM. It gets too much hate. TC sucks for tall dudes. The way they staple you into the seats is literally painful.
@@SANITIZEDINC I kinda agree with you. I think Goliath just gets a lot more hate than it should because it is at the Premier six flags park and a B & M hyper would’ve been much better. I don’t hate Goliath, it just seems like it could’ve done so much more with all of that height.
I’m surprised you picked Scream over Rogarou just because you’ve said Scream is rough and you’ve made fun of it being a parking lot coaster
Can't argue with the 2 pts for X2 🤷🏽♂️
I don't think X2 should get more than 1 point. That making the score a tie. Being that I don't really care for Ninja or Scream - my ranking would put Cedar Point ahead. Growing up in SoCal this would have to be the case since it costs me $1000 dollars each time I travel to Cedar Point. Halloweekends vs Fight Fest - no voting needed - Cedar Point wins that one. Best On Site hotel - Opps Cedar Point wins that one (love the Breakers).
I'm gonna have to agree with you 💯 I say that MM is a bit better ..But cedar point is a park to reckon with..It's a monster...I'll visit cedar point any day of the year..
I have never been to either plan to go to cedar point in 2023 but they both look like great parks