I think I understand why the head designing engineer would disregard a student's findings. Just sometimes, all it needs is a small sprinkle of pride to make a domino effect of unlucky events that leads to a full blown disaster
Well, the engineer didn't miss anything in his calculations, as the structural footing he designed was enough to support the weight as he confirmed. She did however, make him recheck the construction of which he noticed that the bolted joints weren't as strong as welded joints because someone changed it without his approval. In the end the corner-wind was a non-issue.
@@FrostArchon agreed. This video made LeMessurier seems like the villain when he did his due diligence to double check his work as suggested by the student.
My engineering professor always referred to this specific scenario. All through undergrad, he always always always stressed how important it is to have multiple engineers actually look at plans, not just glance at them and assume the first caught everything.
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@@georgplaz For happening to cause the engineer to check the plans and notice an unrelated issue with the bolts? The corner wind wasn’t an issue after they fixed the structure to match his original plans.
@@CharlieQuartz I agree this is something I'm lost about too. Her 'discovery' had nothing to do with the safety issue that the structural engineer discovered. It was an unrelated issue all together and is the fault of the contractors who made the building.
@@CharlieQuartz there is a phenomenon called the wind corner effect where air blown on a square corner accelerates. Buildings in close proximity can cause a reduction of wind pressure thus creating turbulent wind channeling by the venturi effect. This of course has low impact on the structural integrity of the building (assuming it's up to spec) and high impact on passing pedestrians. Hartley was essentially concerned with a possible issue and probably pressed too hard with the concern before being told hakuna matata. I'm skeptical that the head guy took it seriously but he did, at least, take a last look on the plans to check if everything was up to spec.
A lot of people seem to misunderstand: the corner wind was never an issue. there was nothing wrong with the strucural design but the bolts used by the contractor. Diane Hartley pointed out a completely fine issue but she made the engineers review the construction and they found a totally different issue (the bolts).
it is not his design that was flawed it's just that the construction company made changes on their own which could've caused a lot of deaths without even contacting the engineer
I study architecture, and regardless of what you think of Lemessurier, using a computerized counterweight to stop winds to affect a building's stability is one of the most effective and cool solutions to wind forces I've ever heard
Yeah, because a counterweight that has to have electricity to work properly is a good idea. Storms never ever cause power outages so it all makes sense. The SARCASM in this comment runs at a high level.
@@BiggieCheeto Well don’t forget that the mistake made was approved without his knowledge. If the building had the proper joints it would have been fine during a hurricane, but somebody opted for cheaper bolts without telling him.
no lives were in danger - the ironic corollary is no lives were saved - see the NIST reassessment using modern technology of the wind loads on the Citicorp building - Hartley and LeMessurier were wrong to be overly concerned about the quartering winds
Actually Hartley didn’t think there was anything unaccounted for, but instead thought she was missing something in her calculations. She also never talked to LeMessurier and he is on record saying he wished he knew who she was. It’s likely her name got lost in the flurry of trying to fix the building. The New Yorker could have never known who she was because LeMessurier never knew who she was.
@@pvic6959 Yes, this was my question too - how did we (and TED-Ed) find out about Hartley if she wasn't credited? I want to hear the rest of that story.
it was a phone call from student Lee DeCarolis (now an architect in New Jersey) that prompted LeMessurier to recalc the wind loads - that led to his concern about the bolts - that led to the multi-million dollar reinforcement however - a recent re-analysis of the wind loads on the building using modern technology showing the quartering winds were not the threat Hartley and LeMessurier thought - and the original building may not have collapsed after all - the structural design still needs to be re-analyzed to be sure
@@MarkWTK just stuff about doing a survey to my classmates about their interaction with their family with the lockdowns going on. Our teacher forced us to do it solo and when i feel overwhelmed i just get too lazy to do anything.
The engineer wasn't at fault here, it's the project manager or whoever tf made the decision to cut the budget and use cheap materials for those security bolts, but if it weren't for hartley the head engineer wouldn't have rechecked. credit's still on her >:)
credit Lee DeCarolis - the student who prompted LeMessurier to recalculate - and initiate the reinforcement - - to her credit - Diane Hartley did anticipate LeMessurier with her concern about the quartering winds - but both were probably wrong - as determined by recent re-analysis of the wind loads - the building may have been fine - i suppose the bank can consider the loss of a few million in reinforcement as an extra cushion of safety
I remember my professor telling this story in my structures class in architecture school :') It was really cool going through the calculations to come to the same conclusion as Diane did. Needless to say... I made sure I did my homework thoroughly from then on.
@@frankmark787 yes you're right. my structures prof framed the story in a way as a lesson on how something as innocuously simple as a bolt can have an aggregate effect on the overall system (also how important a good contractor is to a project). after all, structural systems are only as good as the tectonics of how their materials are joined. also, we focussed more conceptually on the added load at the top of the skyscraper and how it factored into calculations with the horizontal wind forces to test the integrity of the system.
the fact that wind forces had only been calculated in perfect cardinal directions was conceptually a major flaw in the integrity of the building's structure because real wind doesn't always work that way, and as a general rule, we want to design with the worst conditions in mind.
I worked in the top floor (59) of this building for several years. Like all tall buildings, it does sway somewhat during storms. And it sure is scary being up there during a storm with the building swaying.
That base design freaks me out. Even with the repairs I don't think I would ever go in there, especially now that we know buildings can crumble to the ground for no apparent reason.
we've always knew buildings could crumble to the ground - but always with a reason - as the recent collapse in florida - but keep that in perspective - there are probably millions of buildings that soar even higher - that are older that the Florida building - and have stood thru storms and earthquakes - and remain standing - the causes of the florida building's collapse is not only known - but warnings about its immanent collapse were visible - but the observers were indecisive people - the weakest link in many tragedies
I was trapped on the 50th floor of 55 Water St building in Manhattan during hurricane Sandy. I felt like I was on Titanic, the building was swaying to the point it was noticeable and the metal construction was squeaking loudly. One of the reasons I left NYC.
Props to Hartley for warning Lemessurier about the design flaw and Lemessurier for inspecting the building and actually taking action to correct the issues.
@@jerardosalgado4506 exactly, right? As I see it, because of her that the engineer saw the actual flaw. But the flaw she noticed wasnt the real issue. So I dont think she has to take credit, right?
Hartley deserves some credit for anticipating LeMessurier in her concern for the quartering winds - even tho both have been proven wrong by a recent re-analysis of the wind loads using modern technology - the building is now extra-strong btw - the student whose phone call influenced LeMessurier is Lee DeCarolis - Hartley never spoke to LeMessurier
Some people spend their lives nothing but studying to perform exceptionally. It is people like this man that discourage future talent by taking them for granted.
don't be misled - using bolts instead of welds was approved by the engineering team - LeMessurier says they were authorized to do so - he wasn't unhappy when he learned about the change - until he recalculated the wind loads and grew concerned about the quartering wind loads - and realized the bolts were designed to meet the lesser loads originally considered - and that there were fewer bolts than he thought needed - i should add that his concern included the disabling of the damper by electric outage - causing extreme wind loads however - a recent e-analysis of the wind loads on the building using modern technology showing the quartering winds were not the threat Hartley and LeMessurier thought - and the original building may not have collapsed after all - the structural design still needs to be re-analyzed to be sure
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she has been getting alot of mention lately - altho some of it is misplaced - she wasn't the student who LeMessurier talked to over the phone - it was a guy called Lee DeCarolis - that call got LeMessurier recalculating wind loads - leading him to worry about the quartering wind loads - and that led to the reinforcement of the building - Diane Hartley in her thesis also was concerned about the quartering wind loads - however they both may have been wrong to do so - a re-analysis of the wind loads using modern technology has contradicted them
Hartley's concerns were not about the mass dampener but the base of the building. If the power was cut and there were strong side winds, the building had more structural integrity than if the winds came from the corners. The dampeners main goal was to combat strong side winds. If the power was cut, if the bolts were weak, and if there was incredibly strong winds, the building was more likely to be pushed from the corner than the side, simply by how the base was built. That was Hartley's contribution, not just spurring the engineers to discover other faults.
There's a logical jump from Hartley's finding about corner winds to the bolts. The two aren't directly correlated. If the architect of the building never credited Hartley, how does one know that it was her discovery of corner winds on the building that was the cause of the discovery of the problem with the bolts?
LeMessurier directly credited a "guy" (see the video of his 1995 lecture at MIT) - an architectural student who called him to discuss the building - after that call - LeMessurier was moved to check the wind loads - and then to compare his new results with the actual structure - when he realized the bolts were probably too weak and too few recently - the student revealed himself - Lee DeCarolis (now an architect in New Jersey) was the student whose phone call prompted LeMessurier to recalc the wind loads - that led the engineer to become concerned about the bolts - that led to the multi-million dollar reinforcement however - a recent re-analysis of the wind loads on the building using modern technology showing the quartering winds were not the threat Hartley and LeMessurier thought - and the original building may not have collapsed after all - the structural design still needs to be re-analyzed to be sure
I'm not an engineer, but when I heard and saw "bolts" I loudly said "What? Are you crazy? That's what we have highly skilled and experienced welders for". I watched a humongous addition to the hospital I work at get built from the ground up. Welders, welders welders all over the construction of the skeleton. Like I said, I'm not an engineer, but with all the issues that seemed dangerous in and of themselves, I wonder, if the "perfect storm" so to speak, of all those elements coming at once and the 4 ton "leveler" at the top having been rendered inoperable by a lightening strike, would that have been enough to also make the building "top heavy" and that makes it even worse? Is there someone out there who could answer my question? Just my curious little mind at work, but I'm just one of those people who needs to have an answer. I thank you in advance.
I got deja vu here and realized I wasn't really paying attention, but only because I had watched the deja vu video. This is why you should watch Ted-Ed videos.
Wait, was the Chief Architect's name Le Mesurier as in "the measurer" in French? Was just watching stand up where the comic made the point that most times you'll find people have careers that match their name. Just interesting.
Diane Hartley:*Does homework and saves hundreds of lives Me:*Does homework and ends up throwing a couch across the living room out of pure stress The lesson here so that some people should absolutely do their homework, and others should stay at least 3 kilometres away from it.
Here is Diane Hartley's interview: ua-cam.com/video/GISQfk6eN3E/v-deo.html where she talks about how she got into engineering from architecture, how she worked on this project, how she was deprived of a stipend by the Bank possibility due to her finding this out, and how she eventually came to know that she probably saved lives and capital.
Ok, but she didn't really figure out what was wrong. She had a concern, and the architect assured her it was accounted for. The concern just happened to make him go back and check, where he found a different problem that he had no knowledge of or input on.
the video is too brief to give the entire story - i see a lot of misinformed comments here - but you may be right - if they used welding instead of bolts - it may have been fine - but it also may have been fine with the bolts - a recent e-analysis of the wind loads on the building using modern technology showing the quartering winds were not the threat Hartley and LeMessurier thought - and the original building may not have collapsed after all - the structural design still needs to be re-analyzed in light of the new wind load numbers to be sure
good question - the student who actually spoke to LeMessurier and caused him to recalculate has recently revealed himself - Lee DeCarolis - he didn't do so earlier cuz it would've made him appear to be seeking a hero's spotlight - but a recent re-analysis of the wind loads on the building using modern technology showed the quartering winds were not the threat Hartley and LeMessurier thought - and the original building may not have collapsed after all - so DeCarolis could make himself known and not appear to be grandstanding
I mean, it wasn't a *design* flaw though, the flaw was the contractor or somebody else ignored the design and what she reported was unrelated to the real issue.
"The new skyscraper had to be on columns supporting it, like stilts" sounds like that one ferris wheel with one of its corners being supported by bricks
I don't see her role. Her caution was for a complete different reason. Is anyone sure that it was her call that made them revisit the design? People can always argue that.
she anticipated LeMessurier in his concern for quartering winds - altho they differ in details - but both may have been wrong - a recent e-analysis of the wind loads on the building using modern technology showing the quartering winds were not the threat Hartley and LeMessurier thought - and the original building may not have collapsed after all - the structural design still needs to be re-analyzed to be sure
a hurricane was headed for NY during the reinforcements - so the city emergency services prepared to evacuate Citicorp AND SURROUNDING BUILDINGS should it hit - but it didn't - and the reinforcement completed without incident - - however - it may have been a waste of money - recent re-analysis of the quartering winds using modern technology has proven that the quartering winds were not the threat that Hartley and LeMessurier thought - the building may have stood firm
If "the article failed to give credit where it was due" how do we know about it today that she was the one? Wouldn't even her papel be proof enough? To go to the article people and ask for a retraction or something?
The Skyscrapers has almost shocked that little Diana Hartley homework saves many lives by studying structure of Skyscrapers structure how to withstand in thunder hurricane little amount of homework saves million of lives these to understand by Engineers & students homework makes help live to solve problems with simple solution
@ted-ed, Roman Mars podcast 99 Percent Invisible brought this story years ago. I am sure you would have drawn inspiration from this podcast in the script writing for this. In any case they deserve a shoutout for that podcast episode, it's fantastic!
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Little did Diane Hartley knew her homework was going to save lives. Astonishing how a student notices things that great engineers missed.
I think I understand why the head designing engineer would disregard a student's findings. Just sometimes, all it needs is a small sprinkle of pride to make a domino effect of unlucky events that leads to a full blown disaster
imagine if the engineer really neglected the concern... phew
A great engineer can't be great in every single detail, giants need assistance sometimes
Well, the engineer didn't miss anything in his calculations, as the structural footing he designed was enough to support the weight as he confirmed. She did however, make him recheck the construction of which he noticed that the bolted joints weren't as strong as welded joints because someone changed it without his approval. In the end the corner-wind was a non-issue.
@@FrostArchon agreed. This video made LeMessurier seems like the villain when he did his due diligence to double check his work as suggested by the student.
Lemessurier: so i got a call saying this is unstable
Company: oh dont worry we bolted it
Lemessurier: ok good thing, WAIT WHAT??
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My engineering professor always referred to this specific scenario. All through undergrad, he always always always stressed how important it is to have multiple engineers actually look at plans, not just glance at them and assume the first caught everything.
I never get tired of these kinds of videos. Gives me the feely feels. Feels.... Feely *Mr. Krabs voice*
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I am glad Diane Hartley is finally getting the recognition she deserves.
what about the cash she deserved?
@@georgplaz For happening to cause the engineer to check the plans and notice an unrelated issue with the bolts? The corner wind wasn’t an issue after they fixed the structure to match his original plans.
@@CharlieQuartz I agree this is something I'm lost about too. Her 'discovery' had nothing to do with the safety issue that the structural engineer discovered. It was an unrelated issue all together and is the fault of the contractors who made the building.
@@CharlieQuartz there is a phenomenon called the wind corner effect where air blown on a square corner accelerates. Buildings in close proximity can cause a reduction of wind pressure thus creating turbulent wind channeling by the venturi effect. This of course has low impact on the structural integrity of the building (assuming it's up to spec) and high impact on passing pedestrians. Hartley was essentially concerned with a possible issue and probably pressed too hard with the concern before being told hakuna matata. I'm skeptical that the head guy took it seriously but he did, at least, take a last look on the plans to check if everything was up to spec.
@@CharlieQuartz it always pays off to do your homework eh?
A lot of people seem to misunderstand: the corner wind was never an issue. there was nothing wrong with the strucural design but the bolts used by the contractor. Diane Hartley pointed out a completely fine issue but she made the engineers review the construction and they found a totally different issue (the bolts).
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And the weakness of the dampened system! The power going out!
It’s also slightly misleading
There wasn’t a design flaw at all
The Engineers Added the bolts instead of wielding it together
Probably he was the guy who said:
*'Trust me, I'm an engineer!'*
Oh sh*t, I think I'm outta here!
hahahahaha
more likely: "i'm 'the' engineer"
" I build many building's,
well some of them even fail "
it is not his design that was flawed it's just that the construction company made changes on their own which could've caused a lot of deaths without even contacting the engineer
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I study architecture, and regardless of what you think of Lemessurier, using a computerized counterweight to stop winds to affect a building's stability is one of the most effective and cool solutions to wind forces I've ever heard
Have you seen the giant spheres that they hang on the inside of skyscrapers like a pendulum to help counteract the building oscillating from wind?
Yeah, because a counterweight that has to have electricity to work properly is a good idea. Storms never ever cause power outages so it all makes sense. The SARCASM in this comment runs at a high level.
@@dondee5439 even without the counter weight the building could still handle strong winds.
@@freeeggs3811 Winds are strongest during storms pretty counter intuitive, no?
@@BiggieCheeto Well don’t forget that the mistake made was approved without his knowledge. If the building had the proper joints it would have been fine during a hurricane, but somebody opted for cheaper bolts without telling him.
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Its hard to believe that one person doing their homework saved hundreds maybe thousands of lives
no lives were in danger - the ironic corollary is no lives were saved - see the NIST reassessment using modern technology of the wind loads on the Citicorp building - Hartley and LeMessurier were wrong to be overly concerned about the quartering winds
Basically my math exam, "How one flaw in calculation almost toppled a teenager's graduation."
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Actually Hartley didn’t think there was anything unaccounted for, but instead thought she was missing something in her calculations. She also never talked to LeMessurier and he is on record saying he wished he knew who she was. It’s likely her name got lost in the flurry of trying to fix the building. The New Yorker could have never known who she was because LeMessurier never knew who she was.
wait how do we know this?
no
@@pvic6959 Yes, this was my question too - how did we (and TED-Ed) find out about Hartley if she wasn't credited? I want to hear the rest of that story.
It was after BBC aired a special city group tower crises, one of the viewers was Diana Hartley.
it was a phone call from student Lee DeCarolis (now an architect in New Jersey) that prompted LeMessurier to recalc the wind loads - that led to his concern about the bolts - that led to the multi-million dollar reinforcement
however - a recent re-analysis of the wind loads on the building using modern technology showing the quartering winds were not the threat Hartley and LeMessurier thought - and the original building may not have collapsed after all - the structural design still needs to be re-analyzed to be sure
She saved thousands of lives by doing her thesis, but here i am procrastinating on mine xD
what is yours about?
@@MarkWTK just stuff about doing a survey to my classmates about their interaction with their family with the lockdowns going on.
Our teacher forced us to do it solo and when i feel overwhelmed i just get too lazy to do anything.
You are just waiting for the right time.
good luck!
The engineer wasn't at fault here, it's the project manager or whoever tf made the decision to cut the budget and use cheap materials for those security bolts, but if it weren't for hartley the head engineer wouldn't have rechecked. credit's still on her >:)
credit Lee DeCarolis - the student who prompted LeMessurier to recalculate - and initiate the reinforcement - - to her credit - Diane Hartley did anticipate LeMessurier with her concern about the quartering winds - but both were probably wrong - as determined by recent re-analysis of the wind loads - the building may have been fine - i suppose the bank can consider the loss of a few million in reinforcement as an extra cushion of safety
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I remember my professor telling this story in my structures class in architecture school :') It was really cool going through the calculations to come to the same conclusion as Diane did. Needless to say... I made sure I did my homework thoroughly from then on.
the problem wasn't structural though. she just alerted the engineer to go through the exzcution reports and he found out about the cheap bolts.
@@frankmark787 yes you're right. my structures prof framed the story in a way as a lesson on how something as innocuously simple as a bolt can have an aggregate effect on the overall system (also how important a good contractor is to a project). after all, structural systems are only as good as the tectonics of how their materials are joined. also, we focussed more conceptually on the added load at the top of the skyscraper and how it factored into calculations with the horizontal wind forces to test the integrity of the system.
the fact that wind forces had only been calculated in perfect cardinal directions was conceptually a major flaw in the integrity of the building's structure because real wind doesn't always work that way, and as a general rule, we want to design with the worst conditions in mind.
@@kiranoel49 normally with buildings that are supported in the corners the worst scenario is when the wind is blowing in perfectly cardinal directions
that's why in software development a code change has to be always reviewed by someone else from the team
Last time I was this early the only skyscraper wsa in Giza.
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You mean when you were a kid there was less skyscrapers than now
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And I looked Into the analysis and pulled out the calculation...
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"THAT A M20?...A BOLT IN ONE."
I worked in the top floor (59) of this building for several years. Like all tall buildings, it does sway somewhat during storms. And it sure is scary being up there during a storm with the building swaying.
think of what the sway would have been with the damper
That base design freaks me out. Even with the repairs I don't think I would ever go in there, especially now that we know buildings can crumble to the ground for no apparent reason.
we've always knew buildings could crumble to the ground - but always with a reason - as the recent collapse in florida - but keep that in perspective - there are probably millions of buildings that soar even higher - that are older that the Florida building - and have stood thru storms and earthquakes - and remain standing - the causes of the florida building's collapse is not only known - but warnings about its immanent collapse were visible - but the observers were indecisive people - the weakest link in many tragedies
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I was trapped on the 50th floor of 55 Water St building in Manhattan during hurricane Sandy.
I felt like I was on Titanic, the building was swaying to the point it was noticeable and the metal construction was squeaking loudly.
One of the reasons I left NYC.
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I don't understand what you mean by this comment?
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@Sassy Sim the Florida building collapse
I found this by searching the archive but still it's a coincidence it was made around the same time. Before the incident if I'm not mistaken
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Props to Hartley for warning Lemessurier about the design flaw and Lemessurier for inspecting the building and actually taking action to correct the issues.
But the corner winds wasn't even an issue or a design flaw, and was accounted for by LeMessurier
@@jerardosalgado4506 exactly, right? As I see it, because of her that the engineer saw the actual flaw. But the flaw she noticed wasnt the real issue. So I dont think she has to take credit, right?
Hartley deserves some credit for anticipating LeMessurier in her concern for the quartering winds - even tho both have been proven wrong by a recent re-analysis of the wind loads using modern technology - the building is now extra-strong
btw - the student whose phone call influenced LeMessurier is Lee DeCarolis - Hartley never spoke to LeMessurier
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I have seen my fanarts and many videos are not being credited I feel that how Hartley felt because this has happened to me to.
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Literally copied and then you added words.
when someone ug's thesis has saved many lives, my ug's thesis only saved my marks 😥
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TED-Ed keeping the bar high as always
I just happened to learn about this in science a little while ago.
the last time I was this early TedEd still hearted the comments
They still do
The greatest discoveries come from the simplest questions.
So true!
I would love to watch a movie based on this amazing story.
Love the animation as always!
I love it when the government works with companies in secret, but a speeding ticket is public information.
I work in this building right now! I had heard this story about a city skyscraper and had no idea it was my building...
Well, this is ironic now isn’t it?
Some people spend their lives nothing but studying to perform exceptionally.
It is people like this man that discourage future talent by taking them for granted.
So Hartleys concern with the wind was not the problem, it was just that the construction people didn't weld the bolts (like they were supposed to do).
No the building needed reingotcements
Correct, the real problem arose from design changes (using bolts instead of welding) that were not communicated to the engineer.
don't be misled - using bolts instead of welds was approved by the engineering team - LeMessurier says they were authorized to do so - he wasn't unhappy when he learned about the change - until he recalculated the wind loads and grew concerned about the quartering wind loads - and realized the bolts were designed to meet the lesser loads originally considered - and that there were fewer bolts than he thought needed - i should add that his concern included the disabling of the damper by electric outage - causing extreme wind loads
however - a recent e-analysis of the wind loads on the building using modern technology showing the quartering winds were not the threat Hartley and LeMessurier thought - and the original building may not have collapsed after all - the structural design still needs to be re-analyzed to be sure
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How can I contact the editor/animator?
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They always include it in their description.
@@boy638 but there are bunch of people not specified
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I know it’s off the topic but somehow life is just getting harder and harder. Am I the only one who feels this way?
This is high key hitting close to home. Hope life stays at a chill medium
Life is as hard as people make it.
I may not be the best person to take advice but..
Your aren't alone, whoever sometimes you don't just got weaker and weaker, everything around you just get stronger and stronger
And you someday can overcome those obstacles as you learn, think of it like the game super mario
You don't just focus on the obstacles, you focus on the goal of why you are there in the first place
Again i may not be the best advice giver but i wish you a pleasant day ❤️
Oooh interesting!
One can learn a lot from this...
*Proceeds to watch another video whilst a pile of homeworks sits next to him
They should have credited Diane Hartley for her work and her warning.
she has been getting alot of mention lately - altho some of it is misplaced - she wasn't the student who LeMessurier talked to over the phone - it was a guy called Lee DeCarolis - that call got LeMessurier recalculating wind loads - leading him to worry about the quartering wind loads - and that led to the reinforcement of the building - Diane Hartley in her thesis also was concerned about the quartering wind loads - however they both may have been wrong to do so - a re-analysis of the wind loads using modern technology has contradicted them
would really like to hear from one of the welders on that repair job
"If you want to be lucky, do your homework"
How am i still not winning the lottery?!
Hartley's concerns were not about the mass dampener but the base of the building. If the power was cut and there were strong side winds, the building had more structural integrity than if the winds came from the corners. The dampeners main goal was to combat strong side winds. If the power was cut, if the bolts were weak, and if there was incredibly strong winds, the building was more likely to be pushed from the corner than the side, simply by how the base was built. That was Hartley's contribution, not just spurring the engineers to discover other faults.
3:06 - - never knew there was a mass damper - - or that it would be inoperable if the power goes out.
There's a logical jump from Hartley's finding about corner winds to the bolts. The two aren't directly correlated. If the architect of the building never credited Hartley, how does one know that it was her discovery of corner winds on the building that was the cause of the discovery of the problem with the bolts?
LeMessurier directly credited a "guy" (see the video of his 1995 lecture at MIT) - an architectural student who called him to discuss the building - after that call - LeMessurier was moved to check the wind loads - and then to compare his new results with the actual structure - when he realized the bolts were probably too weak and too few
recently - the student revealed himself - Lee DeCarolis (now an architect in New Jersey) was the student whose phone call prompted LeMessurier to recalc the wind loads - that led the engineer to become concerned about the bolts - that led to the multi-million dollar reinforcement
however - a recent re-analysis of the wind loads on the building using modern technology showing the quartering winds were not the threat Hartley and LeMessurier thought - and the original building may not have collapsed after all - the structural design still needs to be re-analyzed to be sure
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Students : We don't do that here 😂
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I'm not an engineer, but when I heard and saw "bolts" I loudly said "What? Are you crazy? That's what we have highly skilled and experienced welders for". I watched a humongous addition to the hospital I work at get built from the ground up. Welders, welders welders all over the construction of the skeleton. Like I said, I'm not an engineer, but with all the issues that seemed dangerous in and of themselves, I wonder, if the "perfect storm" so to speak, of all those elements coming at once and the 4 ton "leveler" at the top having been rendered inoperable by a lightening strike, would that have been enough to also make the building "top heavy" and that makes it even worse? Is there someone out there who could answer my question? Just my curious little mind at work, but I'm just one of those people who needs to have an answer. I thank you in advance.
I seriously cannot believe I’m one of the first 200 viewers on a Ted-Ed video; usually by the time I get to them they have at least 5 or 6 digits
it's more interesting than i thought
Nice video you guys!
This sounds like plot inspiration of one of the numb3rs episode.
I got deja vu here and realized I wasn't really paying attention, but only because I had watched the deja vu video. This is why you should watch Ted-Ed videos.
OMG imma do my assignments and projects too . what if it is threat to people ? brb gotta do my home work . thanks ted ed .
When ur ignoring class and homework to watch ted-ed and the quote tell you to do ur homework
Oh hey they talked about this on Well There’s Your Problem
Ted-ed is the reason that makes my regular classes seem boring
Wait, was the Chief Architect's name Le Mesurier as in "the measurer" in French? Was just watching stand up where the comic made the point that most times you'll find people have careers that match their name. Just interesting.
She never spoke with LeMessurier; rather, she spoke with one of his junior staffers.
TED Ed is the pool of countless genres
Diane Hartley:*Does homework and saves hundreds of lives
Me:*Does homework and ends up throwing a couch across the living room out of pure stress
The lesson here so that some people should absolutely do their homework, and others should stay at least 3 kilometres away from it.
What have you learnt from throwing your couch?
That I do not respond well to stress................................
Well, if you don't get a good job, you could surely try football, or martial arts.
@@nikhilpranav6915 Way ahead of you. Check a sports news channel.
JK don’t rlly.
Demon of Reason voice? Love it
i love to stop it from falling from winds they just got a big counter weight
Sick joke youtube
Here is Diane Hartley's interview:
ua-cam.com/video/GISQfk6eN3E/v-deo.html
where she talks about how she got into engineering from architecture, how she worked on this project, how she was deprived of a stipend by the Bank possibility due to her finding this out, and how she eventually came to know that she probably saved lives and capital.
Ok, but she didn't really figure out what was wrong. She had a concern, and the architect assured her it was accounted for. The concern just happened to make him go back and check, where he found a different problem that he had no knowledge of or input on.
If the hurricane veered at the last minute why wasn’t the evacuation done? Were they waiting to evacuate AFTER the hurricane hit?
hm. but was it really the winds in the corners..?
Ahh. I know that splendid fallacy-proving demonic voice anywhere. 🙏💖💖 Such a great narrator.
"if you want to be lucky
Do your homework"
**rushes to google classroom**
So if I understand it right, the issue wasn't Hartley's discovery but the fact that the construction wasn't according to the engineering plan.
the video is too brief to give the entire story - i see a lot of misinformed comments here - but you may be right - if they used welding instead of bolts - it may have been fine - but it also may have been fine with the bolts - a recent e-analysis of the wind loads on the building using modern technology showing the quartering winds were not the threat Hartley and LeMessurier thought - and the original building may not have collapsed after all - the structural design still needs to be re-analyzed in light of the new wind load numbers to be sure
It is just me or the chief engineer looks like a James Bond villain
Take assignments seriously. You never know when humanity might need your work.
But how do we know that Diane Hartley actually called and was the reason why the engineer guy discovered the mistake?
good question - the student who actually spoke to LeMessurier and caused him to recalculate has recently revealed himself - Lee DeCarolis - he didn't do so earlier cuz it would've made him appear to be seeking a hero's spotlight - but a recent re-analysis of the wind loads on the building using modern technology showed the quartering winds were not the threat Hartley and LeMessurier thought - and the original building may not have collapsed after all - so DeCarolis could make himself known and not appear to be grandstanding
Nice video.
I mean, it wasn't a *design* flaw though, the flaw was the contractor or somebody else ignored the design and what she reported was unrelated to the real issue.
i bet someone else saw it first and just sat with popcorn to watch it with a camera
"The new skyscraper had to be on columns supporting it, like stilts"
sounds like that one ferris wheel with one of its corners being supported by bricks
I don't see her role. Her caution was for a complete different reason. Is anyone sure that it was her call that made them revisit the design? People can always argue that.
The way it is described in the video, Hartley was actually wrong, but made the architect notice an unrelated issue.
she anticipated LeMessurier in his concern for quartering winds - altho they differ in details - but both may have been wrong - a recent e-analysis of the wind loads on the building using modern technology showing the quartering winds were not the threat Hartley and LeMessurier thought - and the original building may not have collapsed after all - the structural design still needs to be re-analyzed to be sure
Wow instead of two Pilar's supporting one side it became one
Make a video on Rubik's cube
Just imagine how disastrous this could have been, would make 911 look small
a hurricane was headed for NY during the reinforcements - so the city emergency services prepared to evacuate Citicorp AND SURROUNDING BUILDINGS should it hit - but it didn't - and the reinforcement completed without incident - - however - it may have been a waste of money - recent re-analysis of the quartering winds using modern technology has proven that the quartering winds were not the threat that Hartley and LeMessurier thought - the building may have stood firm
Hope she got an A++ for her thesis
If "the article failed to give credit where it was due" how do we know about it today that she was the one?
Wouldn't even her papel be proof enough? To go to the article people and ask for a retraction or something?
The Skyscrapers has almost shocked that little Diana Hartley homework saves many lives by studying structure of Skyscrapers structure how to withstand in thunder hurricane little amount of homework saves million of lives these to understand by Engineers & students homework makes help live to solve problems with simple solution
@ted-ed, Roman Mars podcast 99 Percent Invisible brought this story years ago. I am sure you would have drawn inspiration from this podcast in the script writing for this. In any case they deserve a shoutout for that podcast episode, it's fantastic!
Couldn't think of something creative to say
The narrator is the Demon of Reason's voice actor!
He's doing regular TedEd videos now!
@Ted Ed You nearly had me there.
ua-cam.com/video/9IQVersikNM/v-deo.html
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How did Hartley eventually get recognized?
I've come to the realization that I might be an addict to Ted-Ed.
Thank you Ted-Ed, we covered this in class today and I got to explain the whole topic before the teacher even went over it.
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NOOOO YOU CAN’T JUST RICK ROLL US LIKE THAT!!!!!! IT’S IRRELEVANT TO THE VIDEO!!!!!!
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