Air War Against North Korea Would Be A Slaughter, Pilot Explains
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- Former Air Force F-16 pilot Jason Cooper speaks with David Hookstead about what a war against North Korea would look like.
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you clowns forgot vietname , you tough easy the french weakened them but they defeated you very well ha ha smoke your pot
I served in SK in the early 80s. 2nd ID. 6/37 FA. We knew we were nothing but a speed-bump, but we also thought that once the NK infantry saw a supermarket, they would realize some very important things.
WWI German infantry would volunteer to do trench raids because it meant they could seize British rations. It was also why their offenses petered out, too many troops deciding a good meal was more important than killing the enemy.
@@grogery1570 Turnips
God you are the d-u-m-b-e-s-t nation on earth
I think you meant 6/37FA at UiJongBu before it went to Camp Casey. The last unit of the 36th FA was deactivated in 1968.
@caryfeldbush4070 That was a typo. B 6/37 Camp Essayon. I left there in 82. ETS to Oakland in that year.
Someone said the same about Vietnam
The problem with Vietnam was how the war was fought from the US perspective. Essentially having both hands tied behind their backs because DC is full of f'n pussies that didnt want to get it done.
This isn’t Vietnam.
N.k. has been a shithole for decades.
The accuracy of air dropped weapons is the difference today.
Vietnam wasn’t a world war, we also have Raytheon
@@pleaseenteraname8830I take it you’re an American?
Whether it would be a quick defeat or not depends entirely on China's response.
Yup…just like the 50s war.
@@jimreilly917Worse. MacArthur wasn’t worried about a nuclear China, although the Soviets had a bomb by the end of 1949. Whether Stalin would have deployed a nuclear attack on South Korea is uncertain. Truman put the option off the table. Stalin might have considered a weaken Mao as beneficial to his grand plans and let the fallout (pun intended) in China develop. By 2000, however, NK wouldn’t hesitate to use it on South Korea or even Japan. The CCP probably wouldn’t consider going that far and couldn’t stop Kim from initiating a conflagration on the Korean Peninsula. Regardless of its political ideology, the CCP prefers taking over world domination without resorting to a third world war.
Very much so - and I strongly doubt that they would keep quiet.
What's in it for China? Why would China risk war for NK?
Very well stated
The worst and most foolish thing a man can do is to UNDERESTIMATE your enemy !!!!
Whats there to under-estimate?
Unless Russia or China gives them something better there current fighters are flying a one way mission to the pearly gates.
Sure they have the Mig-29*(corrected from SU-29)
But we have stuff like the F-22. F-35. And then there's South Korea's KAI KF-21, which while not a stealth fighter DOES have a reduced radar cross section.
The only thing NK has going for it are its Nukes.
He's answering by what classified stuff he knows about N Korea without saying he knows classified information about N Korea.
That is exactly what North Korea is hoping the world will think. There is no way a 33rd ranked military can defeat either South Korea or the US or both
@@zangryomani1257MiG-29. There is no SU-29.
@@user-qd5kx7yo6s Who ranked them, and based on what? Besides, I never said they could beat so and so. I said, it's the most foolish thing to underestimate your enemy.
To underestimate is to think you can win easily against your opponent, without taking into account their surprises and 'aces up the sleeves'
War is never won before it starts. What happened between USA and Vietnam?
USA and South Korea can still win, ( I never said they would lose to North Korea), but if they win before the war starts like you already put it, they are in for a surprise. It's a good thing you are a UA-cam general, otherwise your approach would have you losing thousands of troops before you get to your senses and get it right.
Correct. Actually, we are in S. Korea primarily to prevent the ROK from going North as this would bring in the Chinese and to end the conflict in 1953 our agreement was mostly to set the conditions for China to keep N. Korea under control. At the time we were concerned about going nuclear with China....seems nothing really has changed in this regard.
This is the problem with absurdly big alliances. We should try to make nations more independent so that two countries fighting does not result in another WWI scenario.
@@Nerthos
Better yet, more effective Diplomats, not so keen to commit other mother's children to the meat-grider of war.
I spent my life in the military, but became more jaded, once retired, as I saw just how undervalued was our sacrifice, by the very people we sought to protect from harm.
Now, in my dotage, I look at the world, and what has become of our species, lamenting the years wasted, the lives lost, and 'the nothingness' we archived, to satisfy the hubris of politicians who had run out of words, and decided to flex other men's muscles in order to make their point!
We shed blood, lost limbs and faculties, and lost cherished comrades, for the same people who spat in our faces when we returned home. People protesting our presence in their midst, and the ceremony of our funerals for the heroes of those bygone days; exercising the very rights we fought and died for, that they might be free to insult the memory of those who guaranteed them their very right to lawfully protest......IRONINIC, INNIT?
NOONE returns from war unwounded; I live with memories I dare not share with others. Others who have little or no understanding of the sights, smells, and sounds, of deeds left far behind, in places far-away.
Oft' times I am invited to regale those who are curious to know how accurate is their latest 'shoot 'em up' video game, and if they have what it takes to do in reality, that which they play at from the safety of a sofa in the basement of their home!
It was NEVER a game, and in reality, there were no 'do-overs'.....Sadly.
Every action had an immediate consequence, whether right or wrong.
It took me six months to accept that the lives I took on my first engagement, wouldn't see me damned to Hell, and perhaps even imprisoned for the rest of my 'natural'!
Instead, I was given a shiny trinket for my uniform, by Queen Elizabeth (God Bless her sweet soul), at Buckingham Palace, no less........imagine THAT!
The older I get, the more confused I grow. Duty is rewarded by authority, yet still eschewed by a large section of society. Do the same on 'Civvie Steet', and you're up before 'the Beak', and sent away forever!
That same section of society standing on the sidelines, as ever, now lauding the Justice, and celebrating another's plight!
I think I shall never understand mankind, and I draw some solace from the fact that, as I grow older, I shall reach a time I will no longer relive it all (as so very often I do), in my dreams.
Were it the only time such things happened, there might be some relief......but as I said before, I spent most of my life in the military.
Make of that what you may, I just had a need to speak out.
I was a Marine stationed in Okinawa in 2010-12. Don’t let these guys fool you because we would absolutely struggle against the NK. For starters you’re going to freeze your balls off. We would need to clear tunnels and caves without air support due to terrain and weather. The NK have damn near unlimited artillery in defense positions built into mountains and tunnels. Let’s not forget that they have nukes as well. Shit might be sweet from the air but on the ground it will be hell. Btw the SK absolutely hated being in the military and are forced to serve.
I served in South Korea in 1985-1986….and often l heard…even then….we were there to keep the SOUTH…from going NORTH
Not the case when I was there...
@@bellakaldera3305 not sure what l was told was so accurate. The North had a huge advantage in artillery and manpower. The DMZ was another issue….
I was there in 84-86 camp La guardia ( 7th cav 4th squadron) near camp red cloud.
The United Nations was pushing China northward when China demanded a ceasefire in 1953. The United Nations signed the ceasefire agreement with North Korea and China. South Korea did not sign the ceasefire agreement. South Korea wanted to fight up to the Yalu River again and reunite the Koreas while South Korea and the UN had northward momentum.
@@oscargrouch7962Really? WOW!
Underestimating your adversary is the very quickest road to defeat. 😅
He isn't though. He's correct.
N.K. Is being overestimated if anything 🤣
@@saiyanofsteelproducing more ammunition than NATO
@@steve-xx6or Too bad it’s bad quality. Even by Russian standards🤣
@@saiyanofsteel Russian military equipment is far superior to NATOs
Fabulously fab bombs are showing the way.
EMF jamming is superior
Kinzal is superior
Artillery is superior
Helicopters alligator
Defence mines
Can't be bothered to go on
Assume nothing. Remember the last time.
Well said. Not easy defeat a determined nation with powerful backers.
That is not the subject or point being made. North Korea is nothing without China, otherwise, South Korea would have invaded the North by now.
Yep, seems like everyone is forgetting China.
You mean Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam . . . .?
@@bsmith4u2we beat china and NK in the Korean war. South Korea came out larger than it was before the war.
The comment about keeping the South from going North, was prevalent when I was station there in 1971/72!
That comment and your confirmation were really informative. Thanks!
Likely a comment to keep you from recognizing the reality of what was faced. Kept you from peeing in your pants thinking about it. Both sides use a lot of propaganda.
They didn’t go North when the North Koreans axed to death 2 US army officers in 1976 during a dispute at the DMZ. I say bullshit to this story.
And who are you to control the world like that. You see that arrogance will drag you into something you think you are the masters of and come out beaten to a pulp.
USA-led forces dropped 635,000 tons of munitions, including napalm, on N. Korea. 3 million were killed (directly and indirectly). 90% of buildings were destroyed. We call it our "forgotten war" but there is no way they will (or should) forget what was inflicted on them
Apparently they forgot, because they’re talking like that want cities leveled and an another million and half killed.
Fools.
My best friend was stationed there in the early 1990s, and she said the exact same thing. That honestly their biggest concern was keeping South Korea from just bum-rushing the north. When she told me that twenty years ago it took me by complete surprise. I pressed her on such a bold assertion and she insisted, “No, I’m dead serious”, she said.
What are you talking about !
South Korean soldiers are all like the boy band types.
@@Nel33147 you haven't even stood next to a serviceman or servicewoman if you think that this means anything. The soldiers won't be arm wrestling, they'll be operating weapons systems and using guns.
@@Nel33147North Korean soldiers are all like the malnourished types.
So why didn’t the South Koreans attack the North if that confident?
@@Nel33147 Bullspit! You never trained with South Korean soldiers. I did. South Korean soldiers are typically more physically fit than US soldiers. They are definitely bigger, better fed, better trained, better equipped, and healthier than the North Korean soldiers we saw.
Their pilots are probably trained on pirated copies of DCS.
Played at 5 fps at best
and they probably fly the Su25T bc they can’t afford the MiG 29
I was stationed in seoul. A huge city... And it is insane how close it is to the dmz. Barely an hour drive with traffic. South korea would win, but if North Korea started the war, they could kill millions on the first day, without nukes. Seoul is very densly populated.
Seoul is within conventional artillery range of North Korea.
Itaewon!!
what impact would that have on KPop?
@@808bear2 like 50% of the population of South Korea lives in Seoul... So I guess a good bit
@@oscargrouch796210K tubes, one round salvo, wow!
I have a feeling China would get involved just like the first Korean war. But hopefully we can avoid a war.
I don’t think so. I think they’re just as tired of how nuts North Korea is as the rest of the world.
@@brianjungen4059 Have you followed the news or politics lately? Not engaging would be the end of Xi's china and that's without mentioning that China would NOT allow the U.S a staging position/base that close to their borders. Any conflict would still be hugely weighted in favor of the west because the PLA is untested in large scale modern engagements. Like the guy said, even if you manage to flatten NK forces as quickly as possible, that's still a lot of artillery headed for cities in the south. North Korea is only ever gonna be solved if China is somehow onside of whoever replaces Kim and that's gonna be a while.....
@@Optix747 yes I have and still stand by what I said.
Hopefull. But remember Obiden the warmonger is working hard on getting us into wars.
Little emperors, are little threat.
The gentleman being interviewed mentioned the biggest problem, which is that NK could inflict huge numbers of civilian casualties just by using their artillery. I remember reading that they had enough fuel and ammunition to last about ten days. The problem for NK would be that the US and SK would have air superiority almost immediately, which would mean the troops that pushed south would only have what food, water and ammunition that the troops carried in when they invaded, with no real prospects of getting resupplied. Roads and bridges coming from NK would be destroyed and the job with the lowest life expectancy would be a resupply truck driver trying to drive into SK. North Korean troops would be forced to surrender after a few days to keep from starving or dying from thirst. Based on pictures I have seen of North Koreans; they do not have a lot of fat reserves so might have problems even sooner.
'No real prospects of getting resupplied.'
Guessing the US, SK, NATO and Japan’s superior stealth air force will create No-fly zones along the border of China and Russia to prevent North Korea resupplies and assistance?
DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE YOUR ENEMY!
Not if Russia gives S500 to N Korea.
USA will not have air superiority
@@jensramputh They don't even have enough missiles to defend key russian cities. Do you really expect a Russia that buys NK rockets out of necessity to be able to provide High Tech weapons? I don't think so.
@@jensramputhThey won’t get enough S-500s to make a difference. Russia has their own needs right now. And don’t forget reality; Russia has a few cool things like 5th gen fighters, T-14 Armatas, etc. But their economy limits them to very small numbers of those special weapons. They’ve had to emphasize quantity over quality. That won’t work against the technology of the west.
Hmmm, got to think about that because two wars come to mind that people in PJs, flip-flops and AK-47s defeated a superpower...
The reality is that the US could overwhelm North Korea’s air defences if they went out to Arizona, brushed the dust off a squadron of F4s and found a few 60+ year old Vietnam era pilots to fly them.
All of our F-4s are gone. No more left in the boneyard.
@@socalairshowreview7410 That's incredibly sad. I was really hoping that one day we would get a Vietnam era top gun with f4s v migs.
Lol! They kicked 7 shades of shite outta ye before, and ye think that this time it'd be different??
BTW, how're y'all feeling with russian nuclear subs 100 km off the florida coast?
Quid pro quo!
The reality is you won't just be fighting North Korea you will also be fighting China, they turned out last time to fight and this is why there is the current ceasefire between North and South Korea. China cannot allow NK to fall just like they cannot allow Russia to fall and the US cannot beat this kind of power.
@@mokolbokeoko5026 That was a vastly different NK, and a vastly different US. NK's military technology is still in the 1950's. It's only real advantages are: they now have a few nuclear missiles, and Winnie is willing to throw his entire (considerable) populace into the meat grinder before he will feed them.
Was with the WolfPack at Kunsan in 85-86
I was a 31631L with the 8th in '78-'79! 8thEMS!
@@bellakaldera3305 AGE 8th EMS
I was with Army Dustoff up the coast in Pyongtaek, same time.
You aint been packed until you been wolf-packed
Was there in the 35/80 AGS spend a lot of time in A-Town F-16 Crew-dog😂
WE need peace not wars.
North Korea has quantity in weapons, but what is the quality? I have viewed videos of NK’s military parades and many weapons “experts” critiquing the weapons say most of it is fake/window dressing.
Yep. The can’t even equip their people consistently with such basics as socks and underwear. They have aircrew marching in military parades wearing flight gear instead of flying their ancient aircraft. North Korea is a very sad situation, especially for its people.
@@dogwoodservicesinc.2972 I have also read where their military has to steal food from locals
Don’t underestimate. You didn’t defeat them the last time. We were told Russian equipment is inferior in Ukraine but they are winning against “ superior “ American equipment
@@dogwoodservicesinc.2972Do you believe anything you are told by western media? What about the thousands of others in the parades in all different kinds of uniforms, meanwhile in the richest country in the world 87 million people have no money and 70 million people have no healthcare. 100,000 died last year of Fentanyl poisoning. I could go on
@@johnm7267lol, the Russians are definitely not winning in Ukraine.
I was there in 77-78 at Camp Stanley 1/15 FA
So?
I was at Kunsan with the 8th in 78-79! Anyahasao!
When it was a real hardship tour.
Up until Clark Air Base departed the Philippines in 1991, the F4 Phantoms were mainly focused on exercises involving combat with North Korea.
North Korea has a lot of artillery, but russia said one out of four of their artillery rounds tend to explode in the gun when used in Ukraine.
I'm guessing that they are sending Russia their oldest, worst stuff
Lies - otherwise there would be no 152mm guns left.
Sure, russians said that, it was on CNN. Or was it on BBC?
They will now get new generations of missiles from Russia. Maybe a tune up to get a bigger bang out of their nukes.
Show us the proof
It will be a cake walk just like Vietnam and Afghanistan! To my understanding, there has been cease fire between the ongoing War with North Korea since 1955. Back then, I remember as a 9 year old kid watching the military trains loaded with soldiers on their way to Korea. Little did I know that 11 years later, I ended up as a G.I. on a train headed out of Ft. Riley, Kansas on my way to Vietnam.
Big Red 1 !
Vietnam was absolutely NOT a cake walk. What do you know about the Vietnam war? My guess is nothing.
@@willyvonbusche729 I was just repeating what ALL the Idiots said in the past by underestimating the enemy! I myself am a Vietnam Veteran who was in Artillery 105s during 1967-1968..I KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT IT THAN YOU!
No war the US has or will be in, will ever be a cake walk, except desert storm, why ? Because the US was attacked on their own soil, Iraq was just the fall guy, the US made the worlds fourth largest army at the time, look like the jetsons vs the flintstones. The other wars Afghanistan, Vietnam etc were run by the military industrial complex, and no way those wars would EVER be allowed to end quickly. There is too much money to be lost by not dragging out the war. That’s why the US wars take years to fight, not because of lack of knowledge or ability, but pure greed !!!! At the costs of 1,000’s of innocent lives.
@@juans6639 Sorry. My bad. It will not happen again. By the way, I was there in 68/69. Da Nang/ Khe Sanh. Just for your info. 🙂 I still don't understand why you call it "a cake walk".
I remember looking up DPRK air bases on Google maps. It was impressive how many '50s-era MiGs they had lined up. Even more impressive was how they only needed 2 vehicles in the parking area for all the flight crews and how clean the tarmac was. Not a skid mark anywhere, so they must scrub the hell out of it every day.
Yeah, that must explain the lack of signs of runway use😉
Chuckle.. or just *maybe* they don't use the runways/tarmac much...
I served as a weapons loader assigned to the 35th at kunsan in 2000-2001
Right --- Hermann Göring said the very same thing sometime before June 1940.
🙄
Winning that campaign: last time, the Chinese got involved. If the Chinese get involved, it's a different pickle.
Really, just what have the Chinese army air arm to fly the floppy fish J 20 and their new generation stealth jets that are not stealthy, same with their stealth less bombers. Total garbage as they have yet to be really tested against well trained and armed forces.
@@TheTruth-dy8ze You need to read up on the last Korea war, China had nothing, US / UN had WW2 battle hardened troops and commanders plus new jet fighters and helicopters. China throws several million poorly equipped troops in and the best the Western forces could do was form 2 countries without a peace treaty. China is no longer poorly equipped and it doesn't need to transport across the Pacific to join in.
@@peterschmidt1453 You sure you know what you’re talking about.
The Chinese were maos troops that were just finished their civil war with Chang Kai sheck and supposedly the Japanese but there’s doubt on that score as their main goal was to gain power in China.
So your saying they had no battle tested troops so they did not fight a civil war?
it is true they had many willing to be thrown in as target practice to the point the un was running low on ammunition.
The western powers were weary of war having fought on two fronts but the commie Chinese did little to nothing to fight the Japanese to push them out of China preferring to let the nationalist Chinese army do that for them. Regarding jets well they had none that were theirs but the Russians were supplying the Chinese communist with help to interfere in another country’s war.
What else would you like to know about mao interfering in Korea?
As to the current state of Chinese arms, if I were you I’d hold off boasting about it.
Two substandard carriers and a third that will snap off the nose wheels if they can get the electromagnetic launcher to work.
I’m thinking it’s the Korean tactic again throw a bunch of militia fisherboats into the fray to distract and use up the western ammunition. Their aircraft are a joke.
So surprised anyone even a China bot would support such crap.
China won't get involved.
If we're at war, we won't have to repay our debts.
China, produce shite, just millions of them, but everything is a poor copy of a western bomber / missile etc, fook they have been trying for decades to build a decent commerical airliner
Had a friend that went to N Korea a few years ago. He said he wept every night, those people are starving to death. He said they only had power at his hotel a few hours a day. They were forced to fly Korean Air from China, scariest flight he’d ever been on. The plane was old junk. It’s bad there in every respect.
Interesting, one of my friends went there before covid and had an amazing time.
You sound American: No first hand experience, but but lots of second-hand opinions.
@@peanutbutterjellyjam2179 I am American yes, but I am not a yankee if that's what you're aiming for. My tourist friend is German and did a pretty thorough travel log and photographic coverage of his trip to the DPRK.
Is the country perfect? Far from it, but they put a lot of effort into their tourism.
My grandfather fought in the Korean war
My uncle did too, Army combat infantry. Another uncle was off the coast in the Merchant Marine.
YES
Retired US Army Tanker here. Our biggest concern if this ever kicked off, was keeping supplied with ammo. It would be a turkey shoot and we would expend a lot of ammo. Our biggest concerns were keeping the ammo coming forward and the time needed to rearm. So, it would be a leap frog approach. 1 unit expends all ammo, resupply while the next bounds past them and hits the next hill and next bloodbath. Repeat. Fuel was the next concern. Other then that, we weren't worried about anything they could do since we knew, all they had was cannon fodder. Air Force would eliminate their only threat which are their rocket forces.
Thanks for your service and I hope you are enjoying the fruits of your active duty service in retirement. But, did it ever occur to you that some of your briefings were only lies to keep you from runnung scared when all hell broke out. Why would anyone want to tell you that you were only part of a large trip wire system whose slaughter was meant to enrage the forces safe back at home to react as was done at the Alamo many decades before. Everyone standing in harms way wants to believe, sometimes desperately, that the task at hand is easier than it really is. Propaganda is used by both sides and often on their own peoples to keep them happy and self-assured rather than scared crapless at key moments. The army that retreats in sheer panic is seldom the winner later on. That, of course assumes there is time for a later on. In the Korean War, luckily, we had some extra time. None of that reality takes anything away from your service and many challenges you faced.
@@WilliamMurphy-uv9pmwhat is the point of your comment
@@crematedable A lot of people who served did their duty but really had little understanding of the risks posed by our enemies. Their comments here prove that. All glowing accounts, no negativity. A perfect fighting force and situation? Hardly.
They greatly underestimated our enemies and, thank god, headed home before they found out the true effectiveness of the enemy. Who would serve knowing their deaths were just to slow the enemy onslaught so that reinforcements have the time to reach a country half a world away? Actually quite a few, I think. We have a wonderful military but the military often believes its members "simply can't handle the truth". So the threat is dumbed down to them to keep them happier and still compliant. That is not OK. People need to deal in facts and not be propagandized to believe everything is rosy when it is not. Lower-level folks are mercifully ignorant of what might wait them. But, is it really merciful? The war planners know but won't share the realities with Tom, Dick, and Barbara, just the top brass. Where did all these people get such glowing understandings of the challenges they faced?
For example, the USAF will eliminate their rocket forces. True if we struck first. Not, if they, as expected, launched all of that artillery, rocket and ballistic military power at us unexpectedly. Worse, the entire US military capability is not in one place. We live in a big world. Takes time to reallocate forces worldwide to a specific theater. Time is precious. Victory will likely come over an extended time.
Their troops will be simply cannon fodder? Really? And they have the gaul to say it like an expert on UA-cam. Wanting it to be so and getting there is a wide disparity. Is everyone who has simply served there a war planning expert? Give me a break. I don't wish to belittle anyone for their beliefs. All opinions. Incuding mine. Facts? Who needs stinking facts? We do. Otherwise, this channel is the YouBS channel and not UA-cam. Comprendi?
@@WilliamMurphy-uv9pm
In every combat situation we get involved in, we thoroughly assess enemy capabilities and over-amplify an enemy's combat potential. I've sat through plenty of mission preps (clearly, you haven't), and it is rare for the US to get blindsided in a pure combat-mission engagement. The only instances we get jerked around are when we let our guard down for "soft missions," which makes us more vulnerable. That's the leadership mismanagement of the military, not the US's military ineffectiveness. You have no clue about the hours of prep, training, and life-fire exercises that go into combined forces' readiness for the US DOD jointly with our allies.
Yes, their troops are cannon fodder. That's the military doctrine they (Russians, Chinese, N. Koreans) apply, and we have the means to deal with it. If you have any doubts, look at how Ukraine is holding the Russian "superior" military to an effective stalemate with limited and inferior air assets and less manpower. If NATO were to ever step into the war in Ukraine, Russia would be done in 6 months in conventional warfare. N. Korea will be militarily ineffective within 30 days.
@@adroper62 Who is "we"? Or dare you say? Seem you are taking more doctrine rather than real world stuff but I don't know you. Just who thoroughly assesses enemy capabilities and how much of that actually gets conveyed to the one stripers or folks just making great claims of factual knowledge in UA-cam comments?
I put in my 20, not in the army, but in some challenging military jobs. Some joint service. Have even been in the DMZ, the rest of the Pacific, much of Europe, all on official duties or assignments. I never participated in ANY single mission preps as you say, and I doubt if the other expert UA-cam commentators have either. Please don't tell me what I am clued into as you don't know me at all. I have been retired now a lot longer than time served. I hear a lot of hot shot talk in this thread. Mostly BS. I am not saying that is what you are giving me. But every general is usually given exactly what he or she wants to hear. Maybe that too has changed. I hope so.
As to the effectiveness of the Ukrainians versus the Russians, I don't know how effective the Ukrainians really have been. I read many of the newspapers you probably do. Factual? Who knows. They are our allies only because we have a common enemy. They are not part of NATO and the effectiveness of NATO against a nuclear-equipped adversary has never, thank God, been tested to my knowledge. The Vietnam War was supposed to be over quickly. That was the hype. All posturing and BS. The reality turned out quite differently. Have we really changed for the better since then. If so, great.
North Korea is flying MiG -17s…..
NK still has MiG-17's but they're flying MiG-29's and SU-27's now
@@pogo1140 Yes they are but as the guest said, they don't have very many, the maintenance is likely atrocious and their pilots suck.
Almost all of their Mig 15, 17, and 19 have been converted into ground attack drones. During an airshow last year they showed off a wing of drone Mig-15's in a flyover.
@@pogo1140no SU-27.
@@pogo1140 I don't think North Korea has any SU-27 type but they do have around 80 MiG-29 fighters but so far the score card of MiG-29 versus F-15's is 104-0 in favor of the F-15 and guess what South Korean air force is equipped with? The F-15K.
Considering NK is still using MIg 15s.
Said the same thing with the VPAF.
Why is the USA always talking about war?
hey, they’ve been at peace for a few years out of their existence.
Because China, Russia and Iran are always at work. It started with Stalin after World War 2 and Russia has been unable to get out of this dynamic. In the 90s we had a chance to stop this dynamic but Clinton decided to use NATO to bomb and destroy Yougoslavia. Since then we were in a Cold War 2.0 but since the war in Ukraine started we are in a Cold War 3.0. In a Cold War 2.0 we increased commercial treaties while maintaining our guard up. In a Cold War 3.0, it's like going back to Cold War 1.0 except that the wall doesn't exist anymore, USSR doesn't exist anymore, and the Muslim Brotherhood is a 3rd polarity. Some Western nations need the LNG from Qatar or Russia and I think that's the principal aspect of the Cold War 3.0.
Why is North Korea always talking about war?
War is profitable to the Aristocracy.
@@victordelorientis8763 China+Russia+Iran combined are no close to number of wars USA conducted alone. I'd say it's USA who is always at work.
He's up himself
He is a fighter pilot of course he is... doesn't mean he is wrong though😅
Didn’t China intervene the last time we had a north south clash?
Maybe that’s why North Korea got nukes…
Rocketman learned 1 thing from Ukraine. If you give up your nukes with the promise that your bigger neighbor won't invade you, don't believe it. Ukraine did it and Russia invaded them a few years later.
Allegedly?
If they did they came in a Cracker Jack box..😂
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Then those boxes made a pretty big “boom!” when they were tested. But don’t pay attention to all that, if S. Korea and the USA feel confident they should just “go for it “..😁
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From what I understand it’s near impossible to fake a nuke test which N. Korea has done more than once but maybe DOD was mistaken, it wouldn’t be the first time…..🙄
The only real question is would the NK air force even come up for combat, or run for South Korea after jettison everything.
They didn’t run away in the last war and are better armed now. Have you forgotten Vietnam?
@johnm7267 No, but it seems you have. They absolutely ran. Might want to look up Operation Bolo run by Col Olds. Ground forces routinely retreated to safe areas out of bounds to our forces. That is part of the guerrilla style warfare they conducted successfully.
@@johnm7267 The last war ended 70 years ago and the US and allies successfully pushed the north out of the south, if not for China intervening they would have taken the entire country and you don't think the US is better armed also. What does Vietnam have to do with anything? It's a completely different country and that war ended 50 years ago.
@@johnm7267relatively, the North Koreans are poorly armed in comparison to the last war. In the last war both sides were technologically matched.
The communists using MiG-15s. The UN used F3D-2N Skyknight, F9F Panther, F-80 Shooting Star, F-96 Starfighter, F2H Banshee, F-84 Thunderchief, F-86 Sabre, and Gloster Meteor. All relatively evenly matched.
Now, North Korea’s best fighter jet is the MiG-29. The USA already beat MiG-29 during Gulf War and again during Yugoslav Wars. Since those times, the Americans introduced F-22 and F-35. The South Koreans have F-35 too. Complete mismatch.
Hotdog eating contest would be tough
He would have been a ACE but there would have been no runway to land on after the fight
NK has approximately 6000 artillery cannons aimed at Seoul. Assuming 155mm shells and considering blast radius and that all cannons work, each salvo of all 6k cannons will cover approximately 10sqkm. 45000 shells and Seoul will crumble. Maybe it is not as simple as portrayed in this video
All targeted by HIMARS
He clearly state that very issue as a problem, so I don’t get what you mean by “not as simple as portrayed…”
You on the other hand do appear to have a pretty simplistic approach to a hypothetical conflict. You can’t just multiply stuff like that. Not only is it absurd to suggest NK is just sitting there, ready-to-go with all barrels, but the US and SK know the artillery is there and surely have their own plans.
@@TommyGlint The fallacy of your argument is pretty obvious. While it's reasonable to assume that the US and SK have contingency plans in place, the impact of the first salvo from North Korea's artillery cannot be dismissed. Even a well-prepared defense can't fully mitigate the catastrophic damage and casualties from an initial barrage of 6,000 artillery cannons targeting a densely populated area like Seoul. The sheer volume of firepower aimed at a concentrated area would inevitably result in significant destruction and loss of life.
Historically, the US and other military powers have often underestimated their adversaries, leading to prolonged and costly conflicts. For example, during the Vietnam War, the United States underestimated the resilience and strategic capabilities of the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese forces, resulting in a protracted conflict with significant casualties and political ramifications. Similarly, in the Korean War, the initial stages saw United Nations forces, primarily composed of US troops, being surprised and driven back by North Korean and later Chinese offensives despite initial successes.
These historical precedents highlight that overconfidence and underestimation of an opponent's capabilities can lead to severe consequences. Therefore, it's crucial to acknowledge that North Korea's artillery threat is not merely a theoretical concern but a significant strategic challenge that requires careful consideration and respect.
@@derek6579lol the entire US military has like 363 HIMARs and all of them arent in South Korea. You arent knocking out 6,000 artillery guns and all their rockets before Seoul is rubble
Maybe you should check the South Korean artillery,,.
"I feel like we were there to prevent the South from going North..." I had a HS buddy that served and was stationed in South Korea, and he said the same thing.
Thank you for your service.
I spent 1971 in Kunsan WSOing the back seat of F4D. There was another very famous WSO there (in the 80th tfs). His name was Jeff Feinstein, first back seat ACE. Jeff went on to F16 front seat. Jeff was the FIRST guy to have a "Callsign" (Fang). I was at the O club when he got it (he was not there). There was no formal process but he was the first.
They have so many subs also, You would have to take out there sub fleat first, so your air craft carrier can get close enough,
Did I understand him correctly when he said "Blessed to go into combat"... Was that what was said???
Agreed.... SOC-K was my gig for years working with the Korean Commandos/special ops. They were ready to go north. And they were capable. We were there as a buffer in many ways. many ways...
North Korean leader is to fond of his power! He would NOT risk it with a stupid war! That would be the end of his reign!
Doesn't really matter anymore how many troops u have, its about how more technologically advanced you are than your enemy.
_Air War Against North Korea Would Be A Slaughter_
Imagine, then, what's happening in Gaza against an 'enemy' that has no meaningful defense.
Afghanistan had no air force at all.... 20 years after invading ??
It’s almost as if a conventional war and a de-centralized insurgency are two entirely different things.
I need to know if you are joking, or if you actually don't understand the difference between a uniformed enemy and one hiding amongst the population
They are speaking in one dimensional constructs here. That being “ US Air Force vs North Korean joke of an Air Force. You don’t have to be a military strategist to predict the outcome of this one dimensional confrontation….
Afghanistan using mostly our leftover ordinance beat the USSR embarrassingly bad. Chased them home. If you ask me these people are a tough breed for sure.
Tell me you know nothing about warfare without telling me you know nothing about warfare.
China and/or Russia would at least supply N. Korea, and maybe more. That’s the problem. Think Vietnam.
They would supply them with what the junk they already have. Vietnam and korea are a whole separate thing. Don't be stupid all your life
I knew an F-15 pilot that was stationed in Korea. He said it took just a few minutes to fly across the country. The North would do some damage and kill a lot of people, but in the end they would be destroyed. Thank-you Jason for your service!
They thought same when they went to Vietnam as well
God almighty !! There are still people who think that it will be a conventional war with north korea😂. Instead of this almost childish conversation, perhaps concentrate on how you will bury the ten million dead in Seoul once its been nuked
Vietnam was also supposed to be easy until the US lost almost 10,000 aircraft. The Gulf War was also bad considering Iraq had no outside support, had very old 1960s SAMs and a relatively small and outdated Air Force. Over confidence and arrogance is pervasive amongst most Americans.
That little man with the funny haircut will have something up his sleeve,he has more moves then a rolex.
Thank you sir for keeping our country safe!!
Safe or stupid.
@@bernardfong1019 Biden is keeping it stupid...
I was in Korea in 94. I’ve heard the north has enough artillery to go hubcap to hubcap east to west. The north artillery is dug into mountains so they can fire off round and pull it in.
The U.S.A Has spent Trillions on defense and offensive weapons systems.Now little flat top has a few outdated nukes,and everyone is all freaked out.We let him think he’s a threat.,but he’s not
Billions spent but you were chased out of Vietnam and Afghanistan by peasant armies armed with AK47s, and don’t say you weren’t I was around at the time of the Vietnam war.
@@johnm7267 The politicians lost the war in Viet Nam. Contrast that with the 100 hours it took the US to completely defeat the Iraqi military.
A point to consider is NK signed a defense pact with Russia, which will share their advanced missile defense system. They also have hypersonic missiles so it would be a mutual slaughter.
Mao was asked about North Korea
His response when the lips are gone the teeth are cold.
North Korea is a buffer for the Chinese .
You could probably beat the NK army with a good old fashioned Texas BBQ since most people in NK are starving
You ACTUALLY believe that?! Wow. Yanks still as propagandised as ever.
Naive people believe that
@@JohnKobaRuddy First off, its a joke, second, the starving part is very true.
@@obviouslytomyou are like a any other American who believe north Koreans are starving,very stupid of you
The US was at the zenith of its power in the Korean War and was still pushed back by the North Koreans and Chinese
What would be your assessment of Iran in that respect?
"It wouldn't even be fair" ♤☆😂
But, the US and South Korea wouldn't be facing JUST North Korea. If there was escalation, it would inevitably involve China and/or Russia. Thanks to the MARXocrats (of both "parties"), that is a fight we might not win.
marxocrats.
That they are.
NK would get decimated this day and age.
As with all spots like NK, it isn't the NK that is the concern, it is their allies. China doesn't have a true battle tested army, but they have huge numbers and reasonable tech. That is no laughing matter for the poor guy in the trench defending against such stuff. Even if the Chinese lose because of a lack of experience/training, they can still inflict huge casualties while they are losing with the numbers they have.
War is never neat and clean as folks like to think.
@@rbarnes4076 I am merely looking at their ammo, weapons, and capabilities... all of them tend to get broken and not fire properly it seems.
@rbarnes4076 to be fair about the only half competent ally would be russia out of that list to worry about, they know the war by attrition game better.
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I wouldn't count China out. Because of their wave tactics and numbers they created terrible problems during the Korean War.
In general I tend to agree with your posts.. Russia is a certainly dangerous one.. but a Russian army in North Korea would I'm fairly sure provoke a strong response from China given the level of trust between those two nations (essentially zero). So I'm fairly sure Russia is not going to ever come to NK's aid.
My only real point was that NK isn't the issue.. it is their neighbor China. To quote Stalin regarding quantity troops vs. quality troops in war: "quantity has a quality all its own".
That said, these are definitely 'interesting times' to live in..
@rbarnes4076 while yes they have a large numbers game, their equipment and ammo in China are subpar for a functional war against the US in general. Also, they would have to use a transport boat to get to Taiwan, their navy isn't very good either, look at how a Philippines boat ran into one of their destroyers or whatever ship it was and put a hole easily in the side of their hull. I personally don't see their capabilities as much other than numbers, quality will always outclass quantity and overcome the issues.
and that says a man who comes from a Country that lost the war iin Vietnam what a joke
I think the main concern with a hot war in the Korea's is the devastation they would inflict on eachother immediately with not only missiles nuclear and conventional, but also artillery shells
Don’t be too sure. Any war against the north will involve China and Russia and Iran. Trade beats war which America has forgotten.
The problem, as he mentioned, is the north's artillery and proximity to the capital of S Korea. There are millions of civilians in range of the North's shells right now. As before, if there were a war, it will be initiated by the North in a sneak attack. You'll have millions dead and a destroyed city before S Korea can launch a single fighter. The US deterrent is an important factor.
…..and vice versa.
Millions is quite a stretch. Couple thousand maybe.
I was stationed at Suwon Air Base in Korea in the mid 80’s. Suwon is just minutes flying time from North Korea so that base was always on high alert. South Korean pilots always manned their jets and sat in their F-5 fighter jets 24/7 just waiting for that call to start up their engines and engage the North Koreans. The tension was very high back then and is probably worse today.
I was stationed at camp Hovey.
In nineteen seventy seventy eight
Maybe a North Korean pilot will mistake Kim's hair for a run way
It would be a slaughter??? For real??!! Genius assessment right there.
It's gonna be crazy
I was in and out of the ROK in US SEVENTHFLT from 1990 through 2000...I agree with the interviewee...we were there to keep the ROK forces from going North.
Always busy boasting, during the Korean War the US troops were humbled by lightly armed Chinese soldiers. They traveled light and moved at night. Macauther was frustrated to the point of wanting to nuke them because they denied him an outright victory. Having warehouses full of weapons is not a guarantee of victory.
That was when NK had been pushed by the UN/US forces to the border of China.
The Chinese came south and pushed the UN/US south before the battle lines stabilized around the same lines that they had before the NK had attacked. Net territorial loss for the North Koreans
@@pogo1140 Also, at the time, NK and to some extent, China, was backed by the Soviet Union. In the few years since WW2, the Soviets had advanced their technology somewhat and combining that technology (which was about peer with the U.S. in the 1950s) with with Mao's numbers, it did create a very poor environment for the U.S. in North Korea. But those numbers only served so much, as the lines did stabilize.
Today is a very different world. Russian dependence on NK industry for too much of their ordnance against Ukraine has shown how poor the art of manufacture is within North Korea. The Russian artillery folks have to fear the shells themselves as much as they do the Ukrainians. Seoul would be hit hard in the initial attack, but North Korea, and the brainwashed mess there, would become Seoul and Washington's new responsibility for care, all too soon, like it or not.
But the Kim regime is very interested in self-preservation. So a suicidal move by them is unlikely.
Interestingly, the Americans did not have warehouses of weapons prior to the Korean War. After WW2, the Americans actually drastically cut their military spending to the point where the Americans were not doing maintenance on their tanks.
@@kurousagi8155 dude in those days you could buy a P-51 or P-47 for less than a brand new Cadillac.
@@kurousagi8155 After WW2 was over on both theaters, and the U.S. was the only one that had operational nuclear weapons, it was thought, in U.S. policy circles, that large scale conventional warfare was basically over. But the U.S.S.R. did gain that technology and the push for worldwide domination was underway. China fell under Mao and Eastern Europe under Stalin. It felt even more like America was going to stand alone if action wasn't taken than WW2 ever did.
Artillery war would be the worst, rightly right
Would high altitude smart bombs from B52’s would be a tactic that would bypass North Korean artillery?
I was stationed at Osan AB in 79-80. South Korea (ROK) has an outstanding military (Army, Navy and Air Force) and they could defeat NK all on their own IF China would not get involved. I think we (the US) is there more so to deter China and also to keep SK from going North. But also, Seoul is really close to the DMZ and NK has a shit ton or Arty pointed at them, so if war broke out again, there would be huge casualties in Seoul. The South would certainly win but there would be a lot of blood spilled.
Kim is like gadoffy this is the line of death. Lol
My dad and a few others were the only ones left from pork chop hill my dad took out a lot of Korean guys in the forgotten Korean war
People like your father is who we should listen to. Not these clowns! Especially a pilot who has absolutely no skin in the game
I’ve heard this from my Green Beret friend he served in Korea and Taiwan- he says that it seems that we are there more to keep Taiwan and S Korea from crossing the fence
From Blackadder: "Sir, what happens if we step on a mine?" "Normal protocol is to leap 200 feet into the air and spread yourself over a large area".
They may not be able to hit your aircraft, but Seole is a sitting duck!
Sometimes its not about what you have, but who you know. A war with NK would likely also involve China, which would complicate things.
Love these none biased videos...
The idea that all you’re there to do is to slow them down until the main forces arrive is very similar to the job of the NATO forces based in West Germany during the Cold War, when I arrived in West Germany in the mid eighties we were told very bluntly that in the event of a Warsaw Pact attack we were there to slow them down long enough for the rest of NATO to get their forces deployed and the main forces from the continental U.S. to get over the Atlantic, we were told there was no way we were going to be able to push an invading force back.
Talking like it would be a cakewalk. They thought the same thing about Vietnam. The country was mostly subsistence farmers still using ox to plow fields and they put a pretty good fight! The USA involved in it about 10 years or so ? Don't underestimate your enemy. These military guys always think they're gonna walk over anybody but the truth is are government and especially the big defence contractors don't want that .war is a big business people make billions during wartime.
Aside from the whole nuclear issue, I agree that the NK air force as such would not be a problem, back then or today. The main issue is rather what their anti-air capabilities are. How much of those do they have and how capable are they? I don't have a clear picture of that tbh.
Garbage
Their surface to air missile systems date from the same timeframe as their aircraft. SA-2, SA-3, SA-5's. The rest is AAA. Really old stuff.
I was up at the JSA during the mid '90s. On the wall of one of the QRF posts was a mural. It showed a N Korean T-34 flying down a road about to go over a speed bump. On that speed bump was the unit designator for the 2nd ID. Basically, the entirety of an american infantry divisions sole purpose is to slow them down so we can bring our weight to bear. It was pretty sobering to find out that we were EXPECTED to fail to stop them. We even had some dark humor about it. We asked each other who we'd want to play us in the movie adaptation of Americas newest Alamo after our last stand.
Osan would be a speed bump
I love how he almost sounds like he would feel bad about how many planes he would shoot down.
North Korea is so low tech that it’s actually almost an advantage in the sense that, they’re so used to landlines and having limited power access, that comms jamming and targeting the power grid wouldn’t deter them like it would a developed country. The DPRK has a massive massive amount of unguided munitions and artillery pieces disbursed and hidden through their country. And because they’re low tech it’s not like they have electronics to eavesdrop on and locate them. It would be extremely difficult for US to acquire and execute targets on these artillery pieces, as the DPRK will disburse their use across time and space to make it nearly impossible to stop them from firing on Seoul. While mostly ineffective tactically, North Korea would devastate South Koreas economy and political stability if they can make Seoul unsafe.