In a way, serrated pins are kind of a similar idea. You could probably do some brushing or other sort of abrasion to the pins and get a similar effect to rust as well.
@@artyomsherwin648 It's probably better for the pins to have extremely good tolerances, but rusty pins are kind of like security pins in terms of the fact that they provide confusing feedback to the picker. If there's a ton of grit, it's possible for driver pins to become overset, but they probably don't stay that way very long, and will crash down and possibly knock some other stuff out of place when they do. Still, this kind of thing, and the fact that operating the lock with a key would become less reliable when rust is eating away at the pins, is probably more of a reason to simulate this kind of effect by using differently shaped and textured pins than to use real rust.
У меня был очень похожий замок на гараже. Дело было в 90-е годы. Такие замки считались очень надёжными, их было невозможно распилить или сломать ломиком.
@@wingracer1614 Well, LPL only needed a couple of minutes to defeat it, and he was hindered by the rust. I have know idea how high his skill level is compared to, say, your average locksmith, but it seems that a thief skilled at lock-picking wouldn't be troubled by this at all.
you could get through it with the ramset eventually, but the point of the ramset is to take advantage of brittle things. if it's mild steel it would be faster (and quieter) to hacksaw through it
Ayy I clicked on the video cause I'm litbuanian and is see Soviet vid And then it starts by saying it was made in Lithuania Nothing special, but a warm surprise
I started watching your videos, and decided to watch some more to learn about lock picking, so i could get access to rooftops for great panoramic pictures of Lithuanian cities. Clicked on a random video without reading the title, and the first thing i hear, is that youre going to pick a lock which most old Lithuanian apartament rooftops are locked with. This is God speaking to me.
these kind of locks we used for locking garages btw, my grandpa is still using this lock for garage noone has broken into, maybe because everyone knows there is nothing to steal lol
@Calmo Omlac oh my!! looks like someone has a hate for WD-40. Me too!!!. you sound like a know it all. Would PB blaster or brake fluid cleaner be a better choice?
To help the videos you should put like a tension meter in the corner so the viewers could have an idea how your tension changes throughout the pick session👍🏾 love the videos
As for *why* the black market of consumer goods was so well-developed in USSR, as LPL has mentioned, I'd say that because in USSR all the factories were, eventually, the property of the state, there was no competition in quality between different places of production, though sometimes there was a competition in quantity (you produces stuff over the 'norm', the 'plan' - you get a salary rise and a higher 'norm'). What's more, AFAIK many, if not all, for example, clothes design were dictated by the state - IIRC a random designer could come up with smth new, but he would have to go through the process of registering his design and then it would be probably passed back to some factory.. some.. somewhere... and like a 1000 pices was produced. Of course, such an approach esseantially ment that there was no consumer feedback and no stimulus to produce, like, this or that model instead of an unpopular one - sales didn't matter much (or at all), salaries were fixed and set by the state etc. So, shops could be filled with a huge number of identical terrible-looking hats that noone would want to buy; instead, people would try to find something more beautiful, or of better quality, or just, well, better. So there was a huge stimulus for someone in charge of a store to just take that desired thing and sell on a black market, with price higher than the official, and people other payed or had nowhere to buy it any other way even if they eventually decided to spend a lot of money on it. Also, it was a big part of social influence - if you know where & and how & from who to get someting, you could make some profit of it. I've heard that sometimes, when some rare model of cloth or device made it to the official market, there were huge qeues as there are for new iPhones now (in my country at least), but without refilling the stock when the thing was sold out.
Can they make a 2 key lock like this, require the keys rotate at the same time? That would make this less likely to be picked. Would turning both keys at the same time to unlock require something electronic and not possible on a purely mechanical lock? I enjoy you videos I am not a key Smith or a thief I just find the science of locks very interesting
That would make this less likely to be picked - not really, the guy could then rest the lock on table, tension both at once with left hand, set 4 out of 5 pins on each one, then set last pin on both to turn them together. It has been tried, you can still get that fraction of rotation needed to tension as you pick last pin
Easy to do mechanically, just have both cores connected together with gears or a lever so neither can turn without both keys. Wouldn't really improve security any though.
Hey LpL, I was thinking of a core design, I'm not sure if it would work, or if it already exists. How would a core that isn't connected through the whole thing. So basically you can't tension it off from the front of it to bind all of the pins because each pin would have their own disk that it would need to bind off of. It wouldn't be a problem for the key because it would push the pin in the right position and rotate. Well now that I think about it, a flaw would be you could probably just push the pin up then rotate it easier. Maybe have it so some of them are connected. Just an idea.
I suddenly had an idea: what if both cores were spring-loaded so they could not be left in open position. How much harder would it be to pick such lock?
Well all you need is another tension wrench and some super glue. Unlock the first one and leave the tension wrench in open position and put just a drop of super glue on the tension wrench to keep it stuck at the some position on the lock.
Have you ever seen a colombian "security" lock? The secure locks at doors and even some bicycle locks have these weird keys that I havent seen anywhere else before. A normal key for me has teeth into one direction, upwards typically. These colombian security keys do have teeth into 4 directions, it looks like a cross or x when you look at the key from the front. In my opinion, not all 4 sides have active teeth, but my apartment door certainly has 3, and I think my bicycle lock has 2 or 4. They both look like an X from the front, but I dont think all 4 sides are active. If you have a video on that, Id be interested how well these locks do. If you want I can upload a photo as I couldnt find a similar key when doing a google image search.
actually found a photo when googling the manufacturer name of my keys: www.elis.com.tw/_upload/pic/TN75-CROSS%2520KEY-1-b.jpg notice , this shows 3 "teeth rows" one is not active, and probably helps you figure out where is "up" then one row directly is directed at the camera, and one going top. The one you cannot see, is on the opposite side
Corroded Soviet lock proves harder to pick than a Master Lock. Did you hit this with any lube first? Perhaps rusted pins in a rusty cylinder would work well in a challenge lock. The keys seemed to work pretty smoothly.
@@jackalovski1: My typical experience is that even a heavy shot of WD40 would lubricate it somewhat but would not reliably remove grit. It might get easier to pick but I suspect not by much. But repeated flushing with lots of WD40 or a similar liquid lubricant alternating with "working" the lock with the keys might do a decent job of clearing grit and corrosion to the point that it loosens up properly and begins working smoothly. In the end I'd want to wash out the oily mess with a solvent such as contact cleaner, dry it, and use graphite or maybe teflon as the final lube. WD40 isn't ideal long-term in my experience because its lighter components eventually evaporate, leaving behind a somewhat gummy residue.
www.sparrowslockpicks.com/kick_start_p/s0.htm www.amazon.com/Professional-Practice-Padlocks-Beginners-Locksmith/dp/B00UF76C1Y/ref=sr_1_5?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1550948997&sr=1-5&keywords=practice+lock ua-cam.com/video/nYOTJh7NV68/v-deo.html When you start understanding how to pick, start off with master locks.
*strong Russian accent* Russian has very Stronk lock, in soviet Russia it is made out of what we know as Starlinnium, which for unknown reason rust make even more Stronk and can survive a direct hit from a nuclear warhead. it is the same material used in the KV2 and was use in the battle of berlin to transport our troops. because of that it out performs the capitalist pigs master lock series.
I would guess that the lock is so crude, but beefy, because lock picks were probably an automatic prison sentence. So picking attacks were uncommon, but brute force attacks were common.
Hey @LockPickingLawyer I had a really cool idea have you thought about how long until you have till you get caught picking a lock? I was watching yer videos and a thought of LPL should do timed challenges on various locks from super easy to hard one's like this. I think you have fun with the un-timed stuff but thought it would be cool to figure out what times you want to do before oh no I've been caught kind of scenario. :) Which reminds me I still need to work on my first video of me doing my first couple attempts at picking locks. :)
LPL, do you have any brands or kinds of lock picks that you'd recommend for us to purchase if we want to try lock picking for the first time?? Thanks! Love your vids!
Hi , I am new to learning as a hobby. Could you explain some of the verbal terms you use like soft reset, design intentions of different pins and tumblers
if food was missing then both key holders were in on it. i wonder if the navy really uses 2 keys for launching submarine nukes like in that movie with denzil washington and gene hackman, tech based from old soviet food storage locks?
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In Soviet Union, items get stronger as they decay
New metric of quality for locks will be how long they've been aged, like wine.
This actually made me laugh. Thank you sir
does that apply for the people as well?
j Walster yes
If it hard to unlock with a key, that means it's even harder to pick.
Rust > Master Lock
Haha, so true
When a crude USSR lock made 60 years ago is 9000% better than a Masterlock of 2019
We should suggest locks manufacturers to insert rusted pins for better resistance to picking
In a way, serrated pins are kind of a similar idea. You could probably do some brushing or other sort of abrasion to the pins and get a similar effect to rust as well.
Wouldn't that make it more likely for the pins to get stuck in the unlocked position when picking it?
@@artyomsherwin648 It's probably better for the pins to have extremely good tolerances, but rusty pins are kind of like security pins in terms of the fact that they provide confusing feedback to the picker. If there's a ton of grit, it's possible for driver pins to become overset, but they probably don't stay that way very long, and will crash down and possibly knock some other stuff out of place when they do. Still, this kind of thing, and the fact that operating the lock with a key would become less reliable when rust is eating away at the pins, is probably more of a reason to simulate this kind of effect by using differently shaped and textured pins than to use real rust.
LPL: rust is making it hard to pick
Master lock: we are moving our production line outside to a very humid area.
У меня был очень похожий замок на гараже. Дело было в 90-е годы. Такие замки считались очень надёжными, их было невозможно распилить или сломать ломиком.
"Dunno what's holding us up"
This is the cue that the lock opens in 3 seconds XD
I enjoy the older locks. They have personality!
Pinkie fingers out, how fancy of you haha. Very nice job with this one
Damn, that's probably pretty resistant to brute force attacks. I would doubt, the Ramset could do much against this one.
It could cry in soviet.
I dunno, it might be relatively brittle.
I suspect with this one, the hasp it is attached to would be the easier way to attack it.
@@wingracer1614 Well, LPL only needed a couple of minutes to defeat it, and he was hindered by the rust. I have know idea how high his skill level is compared to, say, your average locksmith, but it seems that a thief skilled at lock-picking wouldn't be troubled by this at all.
you could get through it with the ramset eventually, but the point of the ramset is to take advantage of brittle things. if it's mild steel it would be faster (and quieter) to hacksaw through it
This is the most unique and refined channel on youtube.
Rusty soviet locks are more secure than masterlock 3s
dual custody... gets me thinking about the divorce...
FUCK YOU KAREN
No love lost here. I know how it feels. Fuck you indeed
Ayy
I clicked on the video cause I'm litbuanian and is see Soviet vid
And then it starts by saying it was made in Lithuania
Nothing special, but a warm surprise
I started watching your videos, and decided to watch some more to learn about lock picking, so i could get access to rooftops for great panoramic pictures of Lithuanian cities. Clicked on a random video without reading the title, and the first thing i hear, is that youre going to pick a lock which most old Lithuanian apartament rooftops are locked with. This is God speaking to me.
that's some nice luck there dude
these kind of locks we used for locking garages
btw, my grandpa is still using this lock for garage
noone has broken into, maybe because everyone knows there is nothing to steal lol
Love to see the pins and core of this, you should figure out how it comes apart and do another video.
Great picking, love the dual custody lock . Thanks for sharing it with us
The rust is part of the sovietic way of doing locks comrade
LPL: this soviet lock is a challenge to me
*USSR ANTHEM INTENSIFIES*
so if i want to have a very hard lock to pick only have to let it rust?
*adding a few rusty pins to challenge lock*
Mike Shlonger this Soviet bloc is a challenge to us*
just weld it!!
Sure if you got 40 years to spare
And rounded ends.
Thanks to you, I just purchased my first pick set and practice locks.
Thank you for the great content, love it.
Hello from free Lithuania, we broke that f.... soviet lock 30 years ago 😉
The tension is killing me!...
I hope it lasts.
I missed these unusual lock videos
In Soviet Lithuania, lock picks you.
These types of locks were usually used in garages. Garages were the most attractive target for thieves.
So you figure they're rusted enough to be pitted into having serrations?
Turned mild still can be really rough if they didn't use file after the cutting tool, so it will be extra rusty.
I do believe that a good shot
Of lube and a Peterson wave rake may have been a
Optional pick.
What lube would you use in a lock with steel pins?
@@unlocked1040 teflon spray use
It steel alot
@@unlocked1040 PB blaster.
@@CalmoOmlac WD-40's main use is as a rust solvent. It may not technically be lube but it certainly works for the supposed application here.
@Calmo Omlac oh my!! looks like someone has a hate for WD-40. Me too!!!. you sound like a know it all. Would PB blaster or brake fluid cleaner be a better choice?
Is this from the Gulag? :-) Interesting "Beefy" padlock. That old Soviet padlock is harder to pick than a modern Master Lock.
Where they heck did you get that beast??
To parody Crocodile Dundee, now that’s a lock.😂
maybe master lock should start pre rusting their locks for better security
Soviet lock designed to rust quick so its harder to pick, saves resources to make it complex, GENIUS!
Where can i buy those? LPL Needs 3,5mins for a lock? I store all my treasures behind .... :D
awesome as always!
Lock manufacturers should pre-age their new locks based on this video.
To help the videos you should put like a tension meter in the corner so the viewers could have an idea how your tension changes throughout the pick session👍🏾 love the videos
I was thinking the same thing. Even a crude scale would give the viewers an idea of the relative tension at various stages during the picking process.
In awe of the size of this lad
Nice job comrade!
As a French wine or cognac, Soviet lock only becomes better when aged
This would certainly make a nice bicycle lock.
It would make a pretty effective motorcycle lock. A little heavy for a bike, though.
Good work Comrade now let's get those potatoes and vodka to the black market
Just to add.... My goodness that's a heavy beefy lock. LPL shows off his commitment to the gym visits by picking that monster in hand.
Locks age like wine.
As for *why* the black market of consumer goods was so well-developed in USSR, as LPL has mentioned, I'd say that because in USSR all the factories were, eventually, the property of the state, there was no competition in quality between different places of production, though sometimes there was a competition in quantity (you produces stuff over the 'norm', the 'plan' - you get a salary rise and a higher 'norm'). What's more, AFAIK many, if not all, for example, clothes design were dictated by the state - IIRC a random designer could come up with smth new, but he would have to go through the process of registering his design and then it would be probably passed back to some factory.. some.. somewhere... and like a 1000 pices was produced. Of course, such an approach esseantially ment that there was no consumer feedback and no stimulus to produce, like, this or that model instead of an unpopular one - sales didn't matter much (or at all), salaries were fixed and set by the state etc. So, shops could be filled with a huge number of identical terrible-looking hats that noone would want to buy; instead, people would try to find something more beautiful, or of better quality, or just, well, better. So there was a huge stimulus for someone in charge of a store to just take that desired thing and sell on a black market, with price higher than the official, and people other payed or had nowhere to buy it any other way even if they eventually decided to spend a lot of money on it. Also, it was a big part of social influence - if you know where & and how & from who to get someting, you could make some profit of it. I've heard that sometimes, when some rare model of cloth or device made it to the official market, there were huge qeues as there are for new iPhones now (in my country at least), but without refilling the stock when the thing was sold out.
In Soviet Lithuania, lock picks YOU!!
If the key snaps halfway inside the lock, what do u do assuming that it's deep inside and u can't use plyers?
It got better with age, like a good wine
You picking locks is ASMR to me
Can they make a 2 key lock like this, require the keys rotate at the same time? That would make this less likely to be picked. Would turning both keys at the same time to unlock require something electronic and not possible on a purely mechanical lock? I enjoy you videos I am not a key Smith or a thief I just find the science of locks very interesting
That would make this less likely to be picked - not really, the guy could then rest the lock on table, tension both at once with left hand, set 4 out of 5 pins on each one, then set last pin on both to turn them together. It has been tried, you can still get that fraction of rotation needed to tension as you pick last pin
Easy to do mechanically, just have both cores connected together with gears or a lever so neither can turn without both keys. Wouldn't really improve security any though.
You Sir, are a gentleman and a scholar :)
This reminds me of the dentist
Gen Smith I really does and it makes me so nervous lol
Hate to go to your dentist
KGB would like to talk to you!
That was cool! Click after click, up and down the stack.
Masterlock is taking notes.
Beautiful lock buddy NICELY done rust or not great sppd .😎
In Soviet Russia, locks open lawyers.
An easy way to enhance security here is to design the mechanism so that it must turn both keys simultaneously to unlock.
Nice piece and nice pick!!!
Take it apart, fill it full of chess pins, send it to Bill :D
Hey LpL, I was thinking of a core design, I'm not sure if it would work, or if it already exists.
How would a core that isn't connected through the whole thing. So basically you can't tension it off from the front of it to bind all of the pins because each pin would have their own disk that it would need to bind off of. It wouldn't be a problem for the key because it would push the pin in the right position and rotate.
Well now that I think about it, a flaw would be you could probably just push the pin up then rotate it easier. Maybe have it so some of them are connected. Just an idea.
I suddenly had an idea: what if both cores were spring-loaded so they could not be left in open position. How much harder would it be to pick such lock?
Well all you need is another tension wrench and some super glue. Unlock the first one and leave the tension wrench in open position and put just a drop of super glue on the tension wrench to keep it stuck at the some position on the lock.
Have you ever seen a colombian "security" lock? The secure locks at doors and even some bicycle locks have these weird keys that I havent seen anywhere else before. A normal key for me has teeth into one direction, upwards typically. These colombian security keys do have teeth into 4 directions, it looks like a cross or x when you look at the key from the front. In my opinion, not all 4 sides have active teeth, but my apartment door certainly has 3, and I think my bicycle lock has 2 or 4. They both look like an X from the front, but I dont think all 4 sides are active. If you have a video on that, Id be interested how well these locks do. If you want I can upload a photo as I couldnt find a similar key when doing a google image search.
actually found a photo when googling the manufacturer name of my keys: www.elis.com.tw/_upload/pic/TN75-CROSS%2520KEY-1-b.jpg notice , this shows 3 "teeth rows" one is not active, and probably helps you figure out where is "up" then one row directly is directed at the camera, and one going top. The one you cannot see, is on the opposite side
I have seen other Soviet locks with keys that don't seem to have warding. Strange being all steel too. ✌😎
Yup, I have at least 4 or 5... all big and cast iron bodies.
You should try your hand at a automotive wheel boot. I think everyone living downtown wants that one lol.
Man, the bitting on those keys look beyond bad. When those weren't rusty and crunchy, a Bogota or Wave would have worked wonders, I bet.
Corroded Soviet lock proves harder to pick than a Master Lock. Did you hit this with any lube first? Perhaps rusted pins in a rusty cylinder would work well in a challenge lock. The keys seemed to work pretty smoothly.
That was a surprising fight!
so would giving a lock on this condition a shot of some tri-flow help in any way? or would lubricating a lock like this make it harder to pick?
Would spraying a lubricant diminish feedback?
I want to know if some WD40 makes it easier or harder to pick
@@jackalovski1: My typical experience is that even a heavy shot of WD40 would lubricate it somewhat but would not reliably remove grit. It might get easier to pick but I suspect not by much.
But repeated flushing with lots of WD40 or a similar liquid lubricant alternating with "working" the lock with the keys might do a decent job of clearing grit and corrosion to the point that it loosens up properly and begins working smoothly. In the end I'd want to wash out the oily mess with a solvent such as contact cleaner, dry it, and use graphite or maybe teflon as the final lube. WD40 isn't ideal long-term in my experience because its lighter components eventually evaporate, leaving behind a somewhat gummy residue.
PB blaster.
Paul Graham, what is peanut butter blaster? How does is function here?
PB blaster is penetrating oil. Not peanut butter.
2 KEYS 1 CUP
LPL, give it a bath in WD-40 😉, great pickin' !
with wd-40 it opens without any keys and picks =)
Very cool old lock -- nice picking (guess you could "feel" that they were not perhaps serrated?)
Can you make a video for a beginner's lock pick set and easy locks to start with ??
www.sparrowslockpicks.com/kick_start_p/s0.htm
www.amazon.com/Professional-Practice-Padlocks-Beginners-Locksmith/dp/B00UF76C1Y/ref=sr_1_5?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1550948997&sr=1-5&keywords=practice+lock
ua-cam.com/video/nYOTJh7NV68/v-deo.html
When you start understanding how to pick, start off with master locks.
Master Lock will now make a machine that rusts up pins and then they can justify the security score they give their locks.
If rust is a security feature then you should probably keep a bottle of 3 in 1 around.
*strong Russian accent* Russian has very Stronk lock, in soviet Russia it is made out of what we know as Starlinnium, which for unknown reason rust make even more Stronk and can survive a direct hit from a nuclear warhead. it is the same material used in the KV2 and was use in the battle of berlin to transport our troops. because of that it out performs the capitalist pigs master lock series.
If you had to use both keys and turn simultaneously imagine how hard it would be to break.
Lock becomes more secure as it rusts lol
I love you videos thank you 😊
I would guess that the lock is so crude, but beefy, because lock picks were probably an automatic prison sentence. So picking attacks were uncommon, but brute force attacks were common.
In Soviet Russia, lock picks YOU!
This just makes it so both parties get money from the black market haha
It put up a fight with all the rust, maybe masterlock could just make their locks rusty to make them a tiny bit harder to pick lol.
Great job and video
Very Cool Lock buddy, Thanks for sharing!
Dude! I see you everywhere I go on youtube! Was on a This Old Tony vid just a moment ago!.. or was it an Abom79?
@@andersjjensen Hahaha Cool! I love both TOT and Adam but I think it must have been adam.. And kinda funny, I dont comment THAT much ;P
you have any suggestions for breaking locks in 2k? they're overpowered AF this year... love your videos btw
Hey @LockPickingLawyer I had a really cool idea have you thought about how long until you have till you get caught picking a lock?
I was watching yer videos and a thought of LPL should do timed challenges on various locks from super easy to hard one's like this.
I think you have fun with the un-timed stuff but thought it would be cool to figure out what times you want to do before oh no I've been caught kind of scenario. :)
Which reminds me I still need to work on my first video of me doing my first couple attempts at picking locks. :)
What happens if you squirt in some graphite prior to picking an old rustbucket? Certainly helps with keys...
Use AK-47 Oil
I would say those keys are fairly crude for 1960s standards. In the developed world anyway.
thanks now i can break into my local garage
LPL, do you have any brands or kinds of lock picks that you'd recommend for us to purchase if we want to try lock picking for the first time?? Thanks! Love your vids!
Hi , I am new to learning as a hobby. Could you explain some of the verbal terms you use like soft reset, design intentions of different pins and tumblers
Watch more of his earlier videos. Especially ones where he guts the lock after picking it.
art-of-lockpicking.com/ has all the basics with good pictures and explanations.
if food was missing then both key holders were in on it. i wonder if the navy really uses 2 keys for launching submarine nukes like in that movie with denzil washington and gene hackman, tech based from old soviet food storage locks?
1:08 Whoa whoa whoa... are you saying things are ACTUALLY backwards in Soviet Russia?
That was great.
physical representation of multisignature crypto wallet :)
Wili0gui or rather the basis of design for a multi signature crypto wallet :)
In Soviet Russia, lock picks you!
My bet is that it's custom made for extra safety of your own garage. Never seen one of these in use (I'm Lithuanian)
He said the lock was from the 60s. Bet the only ones still around are lying in boxes in the attics of old people who never throw anything out :P