Modifying a Model A Frame for my Hot Rodded T
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- In this video I start disassembling my 27 Model T so I can start welding on the frame. The frame I'm working with is an original 1928/1929 Model A frame that has been kicked in the rear. Up until this point everything was just measured and tack welded together. So I've basically been an assembly line of cutting, grinding and welding. Definitely A LOT of work, but I liked the idea of a traditional frame under the T. Let me know what you guys think of this project!
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Give me your frame tips and pointers in the comments below guys!
Nice job bud , hope yall are well . Take care .
Coming together ... are you going to cut off the part of the rear frame that hangs below the frame? From what I’ve seen the fish plates are usually a horizontal triangulated piece that gives you more welding surface area
I’m wondering (genuinely curios not critical) why you didn’t mount the front axle off the crossmember that was already there. It seems to far back where it is now but that’s hard to tell from a video and not actually being there looking at it.
I’ll be putting up a video tomorrow that will likely have people thinking “WTH is he doin?” lol
I’m really diggin this build btw
Dan there is never a boring watch with your videos. Keep up the great work. Oh how I miss my 1963 Corvair Monza.
Glad to see you rewelding and not trusting the welds you didn't do yourself. Good choice. Really nice build.
Yeah I always like to make sure its all good myself
A video of you pressure watching that shop floor would be very satisfying to watch
Maybe one day
This new project fits your size garage much better that the previous projects
haha ya i love it
Lifting the body by the roof is showing confidence in the strenght of your own welding!
haha if its gunna break it should happen in the garage where i can fix it haha
I don’t see a thing wrong with it, I’m lookin forward to seeing it together! Great work bud....
Thanks!
From zero to hero just like that going nicely looking great
March 26 '20 0345 AM 🇺🇸😎🎩🖐👍
Working On Railroad ! I Woke Up than Couldn't Get back to sleep decided to watch your video. Slow Going 🏁🔧🖌
Hope you get to 20,000 subs with this T build. Fun to see ground up videos. Keep up the good work!
that would be awesome!
appreciate the way you solicit our advise and then wisely add that you are going to do it your way -one of the ignorant learning as you work
Absolutely love this build! Great progress! Can’t wait to see more! I love the welding!
Sweet! Thanks buddy!
This build fits your shop to a "T". You are going to be spoiled with all the room. Coming along nicely.
Hahaha totally
Great work Dan! You’re making awesome progress and you’ve got a great plan 👍
Should call it, QUAREN"T"!
haha
That T is lookin sweeeeeet! When you build stuff and do heavy work like this, the shop ends up not looking like a showroom. I discovered that a vehicle takes up much less room when its put together, when its apart it takes up 3x as much space. My shop is packed, it has a 72 Cutlass on the rotisserie, 71 Mustang fastback, 65 GTO on the lift, 72 Formula, and a 78 IH skid steer... then all the tools, equipment, somewhere around 10-15 engines and transmissions scattered around. Tires, fuel barrels, and the snowblower take up more space.
I clean at the end of the project, and right before paint. Also I tidy in the spring, which is on the agenda for next week. If you clean every day, you end up spending more time cleaning than working. However if you don't keep your tools straightened out and put them back after each job, you can't find them and end up looking more than working. Its a balancing act..
Thanks buddy! I'm.terrible at keeping stuff clean haha
Your making some very good process on the Model T! Keep up the great work on your content!
You are keeping the faith . Enjoying the build
You cant go wrong with gussets and fishplates, its easy access now and better safe than sorry down the road👍🏻
yeah cant hurt thats for sure
Great job. It was cool watching you lift the body off.
Thanks 👍
♦ shaped plates across your joints....say 9 and 3 oclock on diamond shape goes across welded joint/seam.
Also...i assume you are going to put a cross bar on rear diff so rear doesnt slide side to side?
Love the builds and live vidz. Look fwd to seeing the ratty done.
yup itll need some sort of pan hard bar
This is the way...and yes, a rear panhard bar would definitely help the handling.
I second the motion for diamond shape plate across welded seams, & a pan hard bar.
Another vote for the diamond shaped fish plates. Keep the vids coming! I love this build!!
Hey Dan our power went out last night for a bit and missed live stream.Thing keep chugging along out there kinda.Glad to see you in a good "frame" of mind and hope you don't feel "boxed in" with these stay a home orders.Stay safe guys .
Always nice to work in a cleaner garage ...but seems to be short lived
Lookin good diggin this t -wrecks project 👍🏻
Awesome 👍🏾 yeah it is tedious but it will keep you busy, be great when it's done 👍🏾👍🏾
haha it really is
you are making great progress, lot's of comments on how and why you should do things but non the less your way works good....keep the uploads coming!!!!
thanks buddy!
Nice! I just finished my frame. Used the same kind of joint method. Works 👍
The T is really shaping up !
Yeah it's getting there
I am looking forward to the flip !
Soon you'll be picking out wheels. Keep up the good work!
Great video and progress. I’m pickin’ away on my T bucket and now I’m at a standstill because I decided to order a bunch of suspension brackets and whatnots from Speedway. I was going to make them but it comes down to economy of time.
Great stuff Bro, my buddy recently bought an electric hoist from Amazon .Only $200.00 bucks he fabbed a frame and it is awesome if you work mostly alone.Punch in electric hoists on Amazon to check it out .Keep staying safe guys...
yeah ill have to check it out. thanks for looking out man
G day from Australia like this build good work
Dan when I restored my 1948 Kurtis Kraft Midget Race . Kurtis made these cool little diamond shaped fish plates for strengthening frame joints
I was hoping the big block would go in this ride, one hell of a drag racer
It's coming together. Thanks for the update!
As good as newish, great expression! I noticed you say rinky dink , we had a bicycle powered contraption with 8 or 10 wheels which played music loudly whilst carrying a DJ that did a number of events and festivals, road protest sites etc...im assuming it just means" cobbled together" or built from junk, Jerry rigged is another term often used
haha yup thats exaclty what I think it means
If this were my project I'd add substantially more gusset at the kick-up. This is a very high stress area and while what you've done is probably safe and probably won't break, the car will most likely "bounce" as the frame flexes at that joint. It's all hidden behind the body panels so make the gussets big and strong. Also, your frame is not stock Model A as it has a "sweep" just about at the firewall. A stock Model A is dead flat on the top from front to back. The sweep is a no-cost way of mildly lowering the front without the ugliness of a "Z". Keep up the good work! Enjoy your videos!
Take Chevy fuel pumps and gut them and they make perfect tail lites. Just add lens. Easy to my. Just a suggestion Dan. Loving your build
Thanks for sharing your Garage Time with us Dan. Much appreciated.
Thanks for watching buddy
The T is starting to shape up nicely. Make sure the frame has strong cross member. I also wanted to tell you after i saw you do the truck it influenced me to get my dream car (81 z28) and do same drivetrain
Boyd Coddington Approved!!!!
haha i dunno if your ragging on me or not with that comment
@@DDSpeedShop No way Brother I watched the episode of him firing blue bear for not boxing those frames. Looking good...
Fish plate that rear upper joint inside and out and it will be good , looks nice and straight , nice work !
thanks buddy!
Nothing boring about this , this is the hart of the car your dealing with. I would check for squareness of frame rails as you don't want it dog walking or eating tires . The straighter the rails are the better it will corner . Also shoot a string from the center of wheel front to back axle with a bubble level to check alignment and rake. Might want to set the frame up on a regular frame rack and twist it a might to get everything happy with suspension. Also check distance between center of front axle to center of rear axle & alignment for tracking on each side. You will know more about the frame after you hang the gauges on it on a professional frame rack as you know your floor is not dead flat. The better you get this frame now the more you will enjoy driving the car in the future .
totally agree. iv been measuring it up to keep is sqaure along the way.
I would put another one of those triangular gussets under the upper kick just like the ones you put where it meets the original frame. They would "match" and should be plenty strong !! Traditionally, the boxing plates are cut so they intersect with the "inside edges of the frame channel and the resulting "fillet" fills the outside corner of the box. A weld bead the entire length. and ground to provide a small radius.
I don't have any tips but enjoy the channel, great work and wow, you work a job and do all this, tons of progress. Thanks for sharing.
thanks for watching!
Sunshine & no snow.... WOW how good is that?. Great work. Billy J..... Australia.
Well I think you're making a damn nice car.
Hell, Dan, no one sees things the same and it is so hard to put your head in someone else's project, like you said starting at the back, knock the stubbs off that drop below the frame and leave all that other for someone else unless you wanted to put diamonds in those places the channel makes a corner and then do some fancy stitch look to it to give the impression that it will never break. From the rear end itself to the top of that last part of the frame where it ends, put some coilovers like off the back of a sportster. They're not much of a shock but might tie it up enough to keep coils between frame and rear end from falling out when jacked up or even some bolt through the top and then through some kind of fabbed up clamp so they can't fall out unless unbolted and up front a singular spring from one side to other like a rocking chair with the eyes connected on either end and the center clamped to the center to give some room between axle and frame. I would try to find those old fashioned shocks that looked like a master cylinder and that part bolts to the frame and the arm to the suspension to limit travel on the front axle. Hide everything in the center since you or anyone else sees it and set floor in deep so the driver sets low. Those old school transmissions are flimsy.... shit, that is a automatic so no worries. I would drop something through the floor than resembles a standard and have a floor shifter that is up high an some will say cool. It would just ratchet back an forth but the big deal is cup holder or no cup holder?/LOL. Don't do a lot as they want to add the bling I think so they can say they built it when all they did was throw a spare in the trunk and paint the wheels. Now both the headlight buckets and taillights look cool to me. Don't cut more than you have to or make real pretty cause this is the part that they like and pay the most for as a good salesperson will say, hell for whats left now that the hard part is over an I could finish now in a week. Hell everytime someone says simple for you just remind them you started the same way and when "your" done with your "new ride" you won't believe how good "you" feel... build them up and never say much once they are sold as they do it themselves then/lol
PROGRESS LOOKS GOOD AT ANY ANGLE !!!THANKS !
Hey DD, you have mad skills, wish you mucking luck,haa!
Really the thought of the taillights made from fuel pumps a cool rat rod item. I threw the old school lowriders slick,sick stripes in candy, different colors.
Your car, tastes, and mad skills. Pull a Sinatra, and did it my way. To heck with all else's ideas. That rear decklid had to have been a B otch, I did a small 16guage piece in the metal shop where I used to work. It was a pain.
Dan at the speed shop glad to see you stitched the whole frame if you’re going to build more than one rat rod hot rod I tell you to build a rotisserie get up off the floor and all bent over let’s see if you get the bug and get gas you’re hot and continue to build hot rods rat rods then build a rotisserie the guys that I ran with the building street rods and hot rods and model a is always stitched the entire frame in knowing you you’re gonna want to stand on his thing and smoke the tires because I like those Mickey Thompson slacks that’s period. Correct tires,,, as for the Corvair tail lights do used a 1950 Pontiac tail light almost looks like a small ice cream cup just about the size of your Corvair‘s and Free it for me,,,, and free for you so use them keep up the great work take care junkman do
While I was building my frame I added 10 inches to allow for the Cad 390 and 4 speed. I used an 8" Ford rear with a 3.00 limited slip unit.
Haha that sounds like a fun rod
Looking good, Dan. I'm far from knowing what I'm talking about but a simple plate across the joint would be all I think you would need for your fish plate over the Tetris piece. Less work too.
Yup.your totally right. Thanks buddy
What a great job looking bitching.. I'm loving it Dan.. If your going to keep on gussets it I wouldn't worry about fish plates but that's up to you.. If your going to fish plates just cut diamond shaped plates like 3-4 inches in diameter and that should be good.. But as long as you keep on gusset it like that I wouldn't but better to be more safe than sorry.. And make sure you keep on checking you're frame is still boxed and true.. And keep up the great work and like always.. Keep the wrenches on turnin and the tires on burnin..
Yup I keep measuring as I go, thanks buddy
Great work. I never get bored with weld/ fab videos. Diddo what Scale Model Creations said about a Watts link
Cool, thanks!
Well now happy pandemonium day to ya!! You're doing a fine job, much more than I could do anyways. It's a lot of work and a short time to get there... sounds like a country western song. The lights are from like a 63 or so Corvair with backup lights in the center.. pretty cool! Good job so far dude! (California talk) have a good one
thanks bill!
Sorry I missed your live stream Dan, but I like what your doing . Those head lights should look great.
Next time!
How about circular fishplates just to be different? Would love to see more details on the front and rear suspension with the body off. The build is coming along great. I'm always impressed with the amount that you get done when you were working full time, I can't imagine how fast your build will go now that you're off! Thanks again for your videos.
Yeah ill do some more indepth suspesion stuff when it goes back together. Still working so far. fingers crossed
Looking good so far!
Hey Danny, Good job, remember the stronger it is now, will be stronger later when you're strapped into it going down the road. You can't over do it when it comes to frame strength. I would tetris it and if you feel like a 3 in over lap is good then go 4 in. Safety first when it comes to whoever ends up being one of your passengers later. I don't want to sound like one of them but... - Later
Ya I feel like a little over kill doesnt hurt haha
Yup, adding 10 extra pounds of metal to a 50 pound frame isn't a bad idea. lol
Looking good dude.....looks like it will be strong and durable.
Looks very good
I wanting to see how far around your garage that exhaust manifold gasket makes it
Lol
Keep up the videos
Coming along nicely
Enjoyed
One thing about it all this isolation breeds ingenuity because no one can come close enough to help. Im working on shift linkage on a 3 on the column for my 55. I got 2nd and 3rd working yesterday.Today Ill work on first and reverse. Im no engineer but I dont see anything wrong with what you are doing to the frame.
nice! good luck buddy!
Looks great to me and when you weld fish plates on it will be even stronger. Should work its like what everyone else does and they are getting by good.
haha exactly
Dan what you're doing looks good to me I really can't argue with anything so far. Adding strength where you can to that frame is definitely going to be a plus. And don't worry about it being symmetrical you're not building a show car
Yup I just want it to be safe. Thanks buddy
Bro if I didn't live over the pond. I would have popped round to give you a lift with the body lol stay safe bro with this virus shit going down. Look after your lady ( with that gorgeous smile ) lots of love from over the pond
Thanks buddy! Stay safe over there
Awesome job as usual Dan! 👍 Could you please use a respirator while you're grinding. Breathing in the rust and grinding disk dust isn't good for you buddy.
Great suggestion!
I don't know how to weld but it looks good
Thanks. Buddy
Consider: Paint Stripper. Brasso. Buffing Wheel. Rattle Can Lacquer.
Center a 4 or 5 inch diamond over the weld joint. That's plenty. Lookin' good!
^^^, diamonds are the "classic" shape, do as neat as possible rather than trying to hide them, knock the pointy corners slightly round so as to avoid hotspots when welding (IMO it also makes them look more "finished"). IF you are OCD (I am) make them all the same and centered on a given axis of diamond. Seen a few really old school where the diamonds are later painted a different colour than the frame (black frame, gold diamonds).
Great job and Another great video 👍👍🇨🇱
Looking great
If you continue to gusset, fish plates shouldn't be necessary!
Once again thank you for the video the t is looking good 👍
No problem 👍
nice
Just make sure not to over grind welds. Leave a good gap for your welds. Plate and gusset every sharp corner weld. Looking good keep hammering away at it.
Thanks for the tips!
Maybe an X brace or mount the motor and trans with motor plates to avoid frame twist. Scary stuff when you punch it and it changes lanes!
haah yeah It still needs a few cross braces
Well I finally got to see the video. The network is so slow hard to get on and keep it running. It stops and starts up 😒. Ok it's looking good there the boxing of the frame looks much better than before. I like the two link suspension want to see it finished. Well I'll be looking forward to seeing the next video so keep up the good work! 😎🤟
thanks buddy!
I think it’ll be ok.
I thought the garage floor was dirt.turns out I was wrong.
would like to see if you could incorporate natural polished brass headlights into the overall look of the "T"
That's the plan
Looks Great! It's really coming along & any ideas for the seats & interior area yet...
Not yet. I'm.sure somthing will pop up though.
A "T" shaped fish plate !!
Haha that would be good.
You can get fairly affordable new fenders for the arse end and for the front from Factory Five Racing. They sell those parts apart from their kits if you want to. Or you could get a couple of wheel barrels and futz with those and some sheet metal to make some custom jobs lol Beaumont paint bomb it in the end then satin clear coat it. Get a junkyard LS motor for a couple hundred. The one junkyard outside of Winterpeg has a bunch of LS's ready to pull... talk to the lads from Sweat Pants Posse or SPPtv [pretty sure you know those characters]. They're all over the junkyard motor pull thing and the wiring harnesses that come with them [they're pulling harnesses and computers for the LS jobs all the time]. lol
Your weld's look good.
thanks man!
Plenty strong
Keep going Dan your doing a great job. I think you probably get some great tips from half ass customs right
like the ansen sprints on the back of the t
yeah i do to. they look wicked
I think the L shaped fish plate will be fine as long your joint are burned in good. Look in good so far😷
I hope so!
Instead of adding a 2 inch block for front suspension clearance you could shorten the front of the frame so it ends behind the front axle. Move the front spring hangers to the bottom of the brackets welded to the back of the front axle that conect the axle to the radius rods. This way your front axle can't ever hit the frame and you set up the ride height of the front of the frame as low as you want. We call it suicide style in the states. It's your car so you do it how you want but fish plating those diagonal welds on the rear kick is overkill. That tubing should bend before those welds give out.......if they were done correctly.
Nice job ! I don't think there is a right or wrong way in rat rodding .
Paint it with rust converter first which will turn it black and protect it from rusting any further and then paint it black over that to finalize the protection etc etc
make your fish plates look like fish :)
I put an A frame under my 26/27 T coupe it only makes sence if you look at the difference in frames. If you are running a v-8 it will save the work needed to build a Hot Rod
I thank them rods to the front end are to low and will bind maybe idk if I'm wrong but id take the brakit and bring it down some
Tea time with double d. it looks good. you don’t need my advice on fishplating the frame you got this covered. can you please trim the rear frame rails that hang down. my ocd is killing me
Haha the next video that I'm filming takes care of em.
Dan, There's a company in CA that has all sorts of DIY brackets...Welder Series....check them out.
Hey Dan, my first day of 48 in NZ finished the rf guard, now doing the drivers, she is rusty, was sitting there tonight wondering how far I could get down the side over the next few weeks, race ya
haha game on!
You need to bolt two 2x10s together in the overhead and use a chain fall to raise it
that would make my life easier haha