how many times have we heard when a serial killer is caught. His friends and neighbours will be shocked as he was such a nice guy who would help anyone in their community.
He might be a spree killer ... if this person has done it before or does it again in future... then he is a serial killer... I'm not sure, but I heard that those were the defining characteristics. You are right tho... I think lots of ppl will be in for a surprise.
If the person is psychopathic they lack identifying human empathy and emotions; so do not expect the killer to feel guilt or pain for these murders; I was a nursing supervisor for forensic units; I have seen how cold, lacking of remorse, and manipulative these psychopathic killers are…
I agree..but he's not looking for fame either..he's not boasting you cannot catch me..and they are watching this investigation just like everyone else .
Normal people do not commit these types of crime, so yes I agree it will be a non-empath who is pretty smug right now and thinks he will get away with this crime.
Nobody is a suspect. Your little chimp brain wants to point fingers at people when you don’t even know everyone who is in that circle of friends you just know a few people you’ve been told about on the news but it must be one of them!!!
It’s wishful thinking to assume someone knows who the killer is... For all we know it’s some vagabond from Canada who’s been drifting around the US for a decade... it’s a scary idea but it’s entire possible. Anyone who assumes the killer is local or even from Idaho or the Pacific Northwest is really naive.
That would be extremely damaging to the investigation. Let’s say they did release a profile.. They tell the whole world what type of guy this is, what job he probably has, how he acts towards others.. etc etc. Guess who also gets that info? yeah the killer. A handy how-to guide for how to change his behavior.
Little did Banfield know that after this brutal crime, with no murder weapon found and no suspect, EVERYBODY IN TOWN would show a change in their behavior and everyday routine, which put everyone on edge and point the finger at just everybody. You might as well say the people in that town should look in the mirror and point the finger at themselves because of their sudden behavior change.
i am a sociopath and i feel like the hardest thing for the suspect if in fact it is one of the "close circle" would be the constant rapid thoughts about what potential errors you made that could lead back to you and the worrying that every new piece of info is the begining of the trail that leads to you or that the bread crumbs are getting out of your own control. Though some people can manage their shedule in such a way that they can enter these deep self assesment which is almost trance like. but you can hide it from people and close off part of your mind at other times. now im not a mass murderer but im comparing to smaller situations. in the moment you can actually almost trick yourself into beleiving you feel bad and actually are sympathetic only to realise when you go deep to your inner dialouge that the actual truth is that every thought your having leads back to you. i feel like im quite inciteful for someone whos mind functions in this way. and yes i know sociopathy and psychopathy are different but still many similarities.
@@spiderweb5539 you do have insight into it and I can understand what you are saying! There are some, such as yourself, that can think this way and have a chance of showing themselves rising to a chance to be identified but then there are those that truly believe they will never get caught and do not even think or dwell upon the issue or acts they have done and are much harder to be identified... Thank you for the reply and insight you have shared it does help me to understand more and hopefully others as well! Not many people would have explained what goes through a mind such as yours and I appreciate you for that!
@@AuNTIeGreen see with the not thinking theyll get caught thing i tend to disagree i almost feel as if you would just fully expect to get caught and accept that which would in turn allow you to remain more balanced and relaxed which ultimatly would help you with the task at hand which is to maintain your composure and not show any emotional irregularities. for me i constantly battle to make sure i keep things concealed not due to the fear of upsetting anyone but for me if they know this about me then im at a disadvantage and it just makes the ongoing mental battles much harder for me. god i see how terrible this sounds. i dont really use my personailty to harm others for me its more about always winning everything and yes if someones in my way to what i need i have no issue stepping over them but i dont use it in a violent way.
@@lilyt18 the experts state so many facts about how "we" operate but a little inside secret is that most of the things they say are the things we get them to say I don't think I've ever had a psych tell me something that I didn't know was coming.
Something that I just can’t wrap my head around: Surely, at the very least, someone noticed cuts on a loved one/acquaintance around that time? I find it hard to believe that this person saw no one - family, coworkers, or otherwise - for several weeks while they healed. You don’t walk away from a knife fight unscathed.
True. I'm sure everyone in the town looks at each other's hands and arms more suspiciously now, and surely the police have done that screening thoroughly, on all the kids and relatives associated with the victims.
@@marthawoodworth It was winter time plus he doesn't want to leave fingerprints. Gloves would have protected his hands from cuts. More and more this is looking like a "perfect crime." Did he plan this out to the point he wore a hazmet type suit? Took it off before he left, put it into a garbage bag and disposed of it far away. Then no blood where he lives. Who knows but either this guy is incredibly lucky or he's a master criminal.
It’s possible the killer isn’t a local and most people in Spokane aren’t going to assume their friend or family member who’s been acting a little weird are involved in a murder. Also it’s 2022 and almost Christmas, I’d say a good percentage of the population exhibits odd behaviour right now 😂
@@waynejohnson1786 the killer is in the friend circle or on just on the out circle of friends . This isnt a serial killer or a random person who murdered them
@@michellemooresings I believe who ever did this had tactical training . To be able to kill four people in the same building with stealth and relative silence . As far as the acting odd theory , Ted Bundy had no problem at all about appearing normal to others . In fact people liked him and considered him an above board personality . Ted even had a degree in psychology .🤣
Don't be so sure this guy is acting any different. When he was done he wasn't all of the sudden gonna think OMG what did I do? He knew exactly the damage he was going to inflict.
@@tonysplace9255 i'm not sure about that, i think he went out and eat at regular places where people knew him or at lest like knew how he acts ... i'm sure these people dont think twice because there are lots of weird ppl out there doesnt make them murderers
This guy is not a serial killer, I don't think. He is a friend, associate known to their circle who was triggered by some combination of emotion, and humiliation, that led to rage probably because the person who triggered this is so close to him. The other deaths may have been collateral damage as they recognized the killer. But then again, there's no way to know. I think he's back to himself, but carrying this heavy albatross of an unspeakable crime and rationalizing it to himself as "they pushed me to this, this isn't who I am." But, yeah, it is. It's just so horrible all around.
Have you ever seen a chick pissed because you left the bathroom a wreck ? Girls cut deep. Sleepy girls see her and are confused Then it's all Edward scissor hands
Not a serial killer. This is a crime of passion and anger at someone, a narcissistic pattern if I can’t have you no one will. Possible mother issues too!
Could be a serial killer (well, Is it still a serial killer if he knew the victims personally and also plotted and then executed a plan?) Idk... All I knw is that The FBI is involved! But Why? Do small towns call the FBI after every murder or does it need to be multiple victims or is there some other criteria? Such as a FEDERAL CRIME that was committed? (The main issue with most Americans is that we simply do not ask questions as we would rather lazily accept the first narrative being presented to us but the "crazies" won't stop asking questions and so we're messing the Game up... : )
Whoever did this had a timeline and I can even bet he/ she/they planned it for a while. Why do it right before a major holiday? Why do it right before graduation? Because they knew there would be changes on campus where people would not notice an absence. Changes where this murderer could mask certain behaviors such as relief for sadness or indifference as PTSD. I think the person / people responsible for this will be a surprise to many. I can’t wait for the truth to be brought to light and some sort of justice for the families. The families will never have their children back but I hope one day at least this monster can be put away forever.
The only "surprise" I can think of is someone like Richard Allen, the Delphi suspect; someone "hiding in plain sight" that no one would would suspect, like a Walmart greeter or a pizza delivery guy. Someone not "connected" to the victims, but who "watched" them and might have been slighted by the girls who barely noticed him.
Interestingly the person you’re describing is Darrell Brooks. Obviously he didn’t participate in this tragedy, but he’s the type. Watching his trials revealed so much to me about this type of person who has no moral compass.
@@scroogemcduckrich9705 I think Anyone that can kill or run over ppl during a Christmas parade and not not give a shit or show any signs of any remorse really has something wrong with them mentally.
@@bdawg3942 no it was kind of a joke but everyone just assumes its a guy from the strength it took. Also, I’m sure the killer is watching the case just like they always have but in this day in age you can more actively interact with the news through social media, apps like UA-cam, etc. so theres a high percentage that the killer has been reading comments and maybe even interacting with people unknowingly.
comparing ‘christmas’ to eternity without Christ tells to show man is spiritually lost and lives only for the temporary- blind and deaf to the reality of God
im wondering what you mean in "specializes in dark triad psychopathy" you state "dark triad psychopathy" as one concept- not sure if just meant like dark triad AND pyschopathy or something like that maybe but saying dark traid pyschopathy as one thing seems to be qualifying it as type of psychopathy or specifying some difference from just regaular pyschopathy, which is confusing. If psychopathy is one of the 3/"triad" of traits of the dark triad personality theory im wondering what dark triad psychpathy would mean exactly. Also; you say to specialize in dark triad pyschopathy but im wondering what that means in terms of like the general specializations in psychology( like clinical, cognitive, counseling, developmemtal, etc etc etc) which area or type of pyscholigst or practice etc would specalize specifically in psycopathy or dark triad? I imagine as broadly applicable/important fundamentals in any/all area but unclear where as exclusivley or primarily so?
This is not a serial killer and they are so irresponsible for saying that. This is someone that knew those girls very well and had been in that house before they felt comfortable in that house. This is a crime of passion fueled entirely by emotion. The person responsible is hiding in plain sight.
Same here, but it’s my niece. She’s a junior in college, living with 5 other roommates and looks so much like Maddie that it makes me extra unnerved. This case is so horribly sad 💔😢.
I agree with Orlando down there.... I don't think it's rational or even fair to assume they were killed because they were young, happy, or pretty. Maybe it is a reason why, but probably not the entire reason. Here's why- Its NEVER because of anything the victims have done or are. EVER! Its because the murderer is a DEVIANT freak psychopath who had a bloodlust and a real fkn problem with these people. My number one suspect in this case would not have killed any of them for the reasons the OP wrote about, but, again, as i said its because they are incredibly insane and incredibly evil! Period! Prayers to your daughter.
@@lupitachavez4102 : Ephesians 1:11 "All things are done according to God's plan and decision" This means that having the 4 young adults murdered is according to God's plan.
A sheriff commented on the FBI profile. He said the profile is a total waste of time as far as picking up a criminal suspect. You can't read the profile and then detect and arrest him. After you make an arrest, you can check out and compare him to the profile out of curiosity.
I'm still confused on how 2 ppl slept through all of this...or why they called a friend over...or how they thought someone was unconscious instead of dead...I can only imagine how terrible this crime scene was. I would have ran out while on the phone with 911! Or be afraid the killer may be in the house...its very strange behavior 🤔
Ashley, right off the bat of this murder ,Jack D. Changed his appearance, he was a blond ,after the murders ,he dyed his hair dark and grew a darker beard ,and in the Delphi murders they asked the public ,to notice if anyone changed there looks ,to let law inforcement know ,so that's exactly Jack D. DID ,I DIDNT EVEN Recanize him after the murders from before of his picture 😳
And what about the ex-boyfriend who drove 500 miles to his parents' cabin the night of the murders? Apparently parents and everyone thinks that was perfectly normal behavior?!!?
The fact the killer was able to even think about doing what was done but actually following through makes me think the killer lacks empathy, care or love. I doubt remorse is felt and is probably doing life unaffected.
The thing is, almost ANY person living near campus would be acting "differently" after this massacre near them. The killer, if local, could mask his anxiety or guilt with feigned upset over the tragedy.
How did the two girls not get harmed? I can't imagine how they feel. Waking up to what they saw. There families I can't imagine their feelings. I sure hope this doesn't go on to be a cold case. That person or persons need to be put away
@dishdog7886 I have to believe the killer slit the victims throats so they would die quickly...just stabbing someone in the torso is usually not quick and people sometimes survive multiple stab wounds and can fight back. That would also explain why no screaming or yelling by the victims. This crime could also have been done by drug cartels...if drugs were involved in some way. Maybe one or more of these kids were selling and didn't pay up or were told to stop...they didn't and a message was sent!
Exactly. They even said one of the victims had defense wounds meaning she fought for her life. That wouldnt be quiet at all!!! And to “sleep” through that is just insane. I dont care how drunk they were, they werent deaf.
The roommates even went and got matching tattoos after the murders. I thought that was creepy. Almost like their "trophies". It still gives me the creeps.
I want to know why we don’t have any footage /pics of the bodies being removed from the home?? No Hearst, no ambulance, when did the bodies come out of that house???
8 teenage girls just stabbed a man to death in Toronto. & a group of people were caught walking away in a cops bodycam in Idaho the night of the murders just saying
I don't have enough information or expertise to say what is or isn't likely. i just feel that too many people are dismissing this possibility out of hand. 5 myths about serial murder acording to FBI. Myth #1: All Serial Killers Are Men. Myth #2: All Serial Killers Are Caucasian. Myth #3: All Serial Killers Are Isolated and Dysfunctional Loners. Myth #4: All Serial Murderers Travel Widely and Kill Interstate. Myth #5: All Serial Killers Are Either Mentally Ill Or Evil Geniuses. Persistent misinformation, stereotypes and hyperbole presented in the media have combined to foster a number of popular myths about serial murder. Based on recent FBI crime statistics, there are approximately 15,000 murders annually, 150 victims of serial murder in the U.S. in any given year. The FBI estimates that there are between twenty-five and fifty serial killers operating throughout the U.S. at any given time. If there are fifty, then each one is responsible for an average of three murders per year. Serial killers are always present in society. If you are one of those people that still think real serial killers come across as socially awkward you really need to listen to the taped interviews of Gacy, Kemper, BTK, Bundy, especially Kemper. There are lot of good docs and books about the ones they caught. I wish I had a nickel for every detective that said the thing that freaked them out the most, the thing that made their skin crawl even more than the horrific crime scenes, was just how affable, normal, often well spoken and downright ordinary these killers seemed during processing and in interviews. What is "the" serial killer personality type? Answer,....... there is no such thing.
My gut feeling hasn't stopped telling me that it is either the 2 roommates or someone the victim (s) had been around 1 to 60 days prior to the murders.
@@jackhayden2364 I'm very bothered by the fact that 4 people could make noise & try to fight off the killer(s) YET 2 survived YET KNEW NOTHING. HOW IS THAT ?? WHY did they NOT get murdered too ??
The killer is not a serial killer first of all. It’s a narcissistic killer. And second of all, he’s already on the other side of the world. Everyone knows this is why they haven’t caught him even with the help of 60 FBI professionals. The killer is not someone who can live nearby and not get caught bc they’re good at hiding their sadistic secret. It’s someone who has had an obvious issue for a long time. This kid isn’t anywhere near Idaho anymore. Wake up.
I honestly only see Jack S as a suspect because he simply disappeared within hours of being with the girls. His family takes a trip to Kenya every November. He left in the middle of the night to their second home. He had time there to clean up and then leave with them on that flight. It’s a weird time to leave for a college student. No one is answering questions about where he is now, or what car he drives. If I was either of the Jacks I’d be clearing my name publicly.
I keep hearing Jack S fled to Africa, but I have yet to find any documentation that he left the country. It should be easy for sleuths to find a flight record or something to support this allegation.
@@judyray9729 They need to do that cell phone data search that picks up all cell numbers in the area. Same way they did on J6 & voter mules .. I forgot the name of it.
@@jkalibeelz4339 That's also a good idea but I've read speculation that the suspect could have easily left his/her phone at home with YT autoplay activated. Who knows?
How come all serial killers were never busted by family or neighbors ... They can compartiment things and appear normal ... This is just to make audience
The killer could even be a butcher, or someone who likes to hunt! One of the girls was a waitress, so it could be a client who had a crush on her, maybe he even asked her out and she turned him down! 🤔
not sure but heard one of the 2 girls in bed owns a new range rover, and one of them had an ONLYFANS account. i believe it was someone one of them may have dated once or met online. or the two survivors know much more...college kids keep secrets, and their whole timeline feels hinky as heck. hows about drug screens on the bodies. these killings are not the work of a disorganized stranger.
For anyone making very good points on it possibly being Kaylee 's ex wouldn't the cops have has to search his place already if they thought in any way it could be him? We are 5 weeks out and by now he could have gotten rid of anything and everything pertaining to the murders. God comfort and strengthen these families and give wisdom and direction to the everyone involved in trying to solve this horrific case. Prayers continue 🙏.
I don't think this person is really around other people. It wouldn't surprise me if he was an outdoors type, hunter, and lives in the mountains alone, maybe even a camper/bivouacker. Ex military or law enforcement background.
@@discombob still wouldn’t be that easy even if they were sleep. It’s 2 people in each bed one would scream or yell and wake the others and fight back. Unless it was a professional that knew exactly where to stab someone so they couldn’t fight back or do anything
Trust me, he didn’t just snap. He was always crazy and there were signs early on with his personality. In childhood, adult life. A maniac like this doesn’t just become a maniac overnight
@@kevynanderson4711 probably from the wounds. from what i've gathered, at least two of them died from deep stabs to the heart. meaning someone would've put the knife on their chest and pushed down hard putting the blade between the ribs. It would have to be a woman with abnormal upper body strength, so it's just more likely a male
@@kevynanderson4711 Cause males have 3 times the upper body strength of females and one of the victims was a fit young male. Well that and biological women rarely choose a knife (unless it is the first thing they grab in the heat of the moment and the killer brought his own weapon).
@@anonz975 Male was sleeping, he was caught off guard. And there is always exceptions to any rules. A good investigator never negates any probable suspect/s. Lizzie Borden wasn't immediately interrogate, and therefore evidence was lost due to foregone assumptions.
@@johnnyboro9558 You've discounted of those under duress or psychosis. What we do know, thus far, is It was person. "Hell hath no fury..." Women's equality! Right? Never underestimate the possibility of a female suspect. #Lizzie Borden. And trust, she is one in a list of many women that were prematurely disregarded due to their gender
Anyone who could murder four people in their sleep most likely has a few cluster B personality disorders and likely does not feel remorse or like they're carrying around a secret. I just do not believe that a person with normal psychology would be capable of this in the first place.
Interesting points Robin Dreeke, what an interesting man.. good perspective that we non-law people don't even consider. Great guest News Nation, finally.
this case is a learning case for these guys. So thankful, we need some eye openers. This ain't a former agent, he retired at the top level of the FBI for an agent.
All murder cases are different, and people learn new things all the time. It doesn't take away from the investigative skills of the local police or FBI.
@@lilyt18 Did you watch the interview. The eye opener was the Chief of Counterintelligence (its actually Head not Chief) Behavioral Analysis Unit FBI retired. That is about as high as you can go for experience. OJT?? The rest are appointed by presidential.
This guy blends in and has no remorse about what he’s done. Hes a true psychopath. He’s intelligent that goes without saying otherwise he would of been caught by now. He has planned this all out, this isn’t off the cuff.. the guy is not stupid. Cold case I’m afraid people 100% I’d be surprised if this is solved in 2023
Someone had some defensive wounds and would probably show alot of energy and seems happy or gloating of some sort. He is proud he has eludes LE this long.
She has to fill time. One of my favorite lines of Johnny Carson, which he said to Charles Grodin: “I need to fill an hour per night. I just need warm bodies.”
The one thing (among a myriad here) that doesn’t make any sense, is if the one female victim had a stalker, why would he take the lives of three additional people. That theory doesn’t seem to bode well at all
I don’t understand what people expect. The police aren’t going to give out their entire investigation. They are trying to catch a killer without tipping him off to what they know.
Still trying to ask: What about all the people (that the surviving members called) and came over before they called the police? Every article is unclear/unsure of who and the amount of friends they called/came and went before police came. Just idea of people having time & taking weapon.
One of the surviving roommates made entrance to the second floor and caught a small glimpse of the carnage. She ran outside where friends were on their way over to her, and she passed out from shock. One of the friends made the 911 call from her phone.
@@lizpurr8402 I heard this same story. I wonder if it’s true. I think details like who made the call & from whose phone it was is not important to “solving the crime.” I just believe people are in shock & they’re doing weird stuff because they’re in shock. For instance, I saw someone at a pharmacy collapse in the entryway, and I started telling people at the register to call 911. Later, I thought: “Why didn’t I call 911 with the cell phone in my pocket?”
@Elizabeth Purr ive often wondered if one of the 2nd floor victims made it out of the bedroom, to the common area & collapsed. So when going up to the kitchen they saw them and ran back down/outside. Since it seems odd to go in someones bedroom. Unless if they were super close or the door was left open.
I agree, was he always quiet or just all of a sudden? Only his friends would know... if his friends say he was always outspoken and now he is avoiding attention then that would be a red flag.
That's a scary thought for these people in Moscow. Watching those close to them, for different behaviours for the purpose of seeing if they may be a killer. Oh good lord.
This is why the neighbor/chef looks suspicious to me. In my opinion, he appears aloof when speaking of his neighbors....never speaking about how horrendous these murders are.
Jim Clemente: “One of the girls probably had a stalker or someone known to them” Maddie Mogen: “Were walking in groups to make Kaylee feel safe” Idaho police: There’s no evidence to support the theory of a stalker. 😡 Store manager who knew the girls: “Kaylee said there was a man stalking her to and from bars when she went out and was afraid of him. Wtf Idaho police dept ?!! A renowned former fbi profiler told you this in the beginning !!
@Mariné Hattingh the vape guy was sought out by a reporter, i think Entin, while the story about a vape shops camera having already deleted video after 7 days. Then answered questions. Also, i think he said Maddie said they walk in groups bc a friend had a stalker in the past. He also didnt actually know them more than a customer relationship
If any of the girls were Really concerned about a Stalker they would have done something about it for sure at least Said " he's that guy over there he wears this or that and he's older etc they said nothing about this mystery stalker ....they have there phones with them all the time and no photos of the stalker? I'm not buying the attacker is a stalker ....
@@vls3771 you actually raise a good point, anyone who had a stalker would’ve done something about or posted about it or something like that. I didn’t even think of that
We need to start praying for the two girls that were in there and had to come upstairs to the kitchen and find the bodies they are gonna need more help than we ever even thought of
What if, shockingly, they or 1 of them, is somehow involved? One of them was texting and sending pictures around 2:30 a.m. to a guy. Why? And how did they not hear a Jon ything? I'm calling BS on the Not hearing Nything. The guy was woken and confronted the killer. That's why he was found in a door way. Yea, somebody's lying about Not hearing a thing. The dog would have been barking his brains out! They all should be polygraphed.
how many times have we heard when a serial killer is caught. His friends and neighbours will be shocked as he was such a nice guy who would help anyone in their community.
He might be a spree killer ... if this person has done it before or does it again in future... then he is a serial killer... I'm not sure, but I heard that those were the defining characteristics. You are right tho... I think lots of ppl will be in for a surprise.
@@lindasheldon6940 yep I say this too
@@DeeDiamond2981 such a sad, sad world
Sometimes they are. Sometimes they are the ones who would save Granny from a burning house. Or help me jump my dead battery.
"He was such a quiet boy...."
The killer is just going on with their daily life, probably pretending to be “shocked” like everyone else
I think there might be more than one person involved! One holding them down keeping them quiet the other one stab at them!
@@snydmark i'm thinking there is another male involved but as in a look out, who's waiting in the car to drive off.
WORD
... feigning shock in between reliving the gloriousness of their deed.
Yup. Shocked or "grieving" and everyone around them is walking on egg shells.
If the person is psychopathic they lack identifying human empathy and emotions; so do not expect the killer to feel guilt or pain for these murders;
I was a nursing supervisor for forensic units; I have seen how cold, lacking of remorse, and manipulative these psychopathic killers are…
💯 dated one and can confirm. This person or persons feel no remorse, they may even feel as if the victims “deserved it”
@@Kls638 you dated a murderer?
I agree..but he's not looking for fame either..he's not boasting you cannot catch me..and they are watching this investigation just like everyone else .
Normal people do not commit these types of crime, so yes I agree it will be a non-empath who is pretty smug right now and thinks he will get away with this crime.
i feel like a crazy psychopath would leave traces on traces this was organized
This case is so disturbing. Literally every single person in this case is a suspect its creepy. These poor families need justice.
For the media its a cow to milk.
A suspect in the public eye. Most have already been cleared by LE!
Nobody is a suspect. Your little chimp brain wants to point fingers at people when you don’t even know everyone who is in that circle of friends you just know a few people you’ve been told about on the news but it must be one of them!!!
Perfectly said 💔😢
Could be a transient could be a russian could be the ex bf.. could be an ordered hit..
The killer is holding on to a terrible secret as is the people who know who the killer is
They are worse.
I agree! Someone knows who’s done it for sure.
@@RitchieCollins definitely not worse
It’s wishful thinking to assume someone knows who the killer is...
For all we know it’s some vagabond from Canada who’s been drifting around the US for a decade... it’s a scary idea but it’s entire possible.
Anyone who assumes the killer is local or even from Idaho or the Pacific Northwest is really naive.
We live in the 21st century, the killer could be from Germany or China... someone could kill 4 people in Idaho and be in Peru the next day.
I wish they'd release the behavioral profile of the offender.
I'm going to predict someone angry, entitled, and amoral.
That would be extremely damaging to the investigation.
Let’s say they did release a profile.. They tell the whole world what type of guy this is, what job he probably has, how he acts towards others.. etc etc.
Guess who also gets that info?
yeah the killer. A handy how-to guide for how to change his behavior.
@lilyt: Excellent point.
I would love to hear it as well but whispered in our ears so the freak that did it cant hear.🥴
Little did Banfield know that after this brutal crime, with no murder weapon found and no suspect, EVERYBODY IN TOWN would show a change in their behavior and everyday routine, which put everyone on edge and point the finger at just everybody. You might as well say the people in that town should look in the mirror and point the finger at themselves because of their sudden behavior change.
Or the person started off with lack of empathy and psychopathy hence they won't display any behavioral changes...
i am a sociopath and i feel like the hardest thing for the suspect if in fact it is one of the "close circle" would be the constant rapid thoughts about what potential errors you made that could lead back to you and the worrying that every new piece of info is the begining of the trail that leads to you or that the bread crumbs are getting out of your own control. Though some people can manage their shedule in such a way that they can enter these deep self assesment which is almost trance like. but you can hide it from people and close off part of your mind at other times. now im not a mass murderer but im comparing to smaller situations. in the moment you can actually almost trick yourself into beleiving you feel bad and actually are sympathetic only to realise when you go deep to your inner dialouge that the actual truth is that every thought your having leads back to you. i feel like im quite inciteful for someone whos mind functions in this way. and yes i know sociopathy and psychopathy are different but still many similarities.
@@spiderweb5539 you do have insight into it and I can understand what you are saying! There are some, such as yourself, that can think this way and have a chance of showing themselves rising to a chance to be identified but then there are those that truly believe they will never get caught and do not even think or dwell upon the issue or acts they have done and are much harder to be identified...
Thank you for the reply and insight you have shared it does help me to understand more and hopefully others as well! Not many people would have explained what goes through a mind such as yours and I appreciate you for that!
@Spider Web
That’s really interesting insight. Thanks for sharing.
@@AuNTIeGreen see with the not thinking theyll get caught thing i tend to disagree i almost feel as if you would just fully expect to get caught and accept that which would in turn allow you to remain more balanced and relaxed which ultimatly would help you with the task at hand which is to maintain your composure and not show any emotional irregularities. for me i constantly battle to make sure i keep things concealed not due to the fear of upsetting anyone but for me if they know this about me then im at a disadvantage and it just makes the ongoing mental battles much harder for me. god i see how terrible this sounds. i dont really use my personailty to harm others for me its more about always winning everything and yes if someones in my way to what i need i have no issue stepping over them but i dont use it in a violent way.
@@lilyt18 the experts state so many facts about how "we" operate but a little inside secret is that most of the things they say are the things we get them to say I don't think I've ever had a psych tell me something that I didn't know was coming.
I imagine a psychopath with no conscious would exhibit any signs of guilt.
However, they would worry about being caught. They still have self-preservation
Do you think that the killer would have gone home & slept peacefully after cleaning themselves up? I wonder if the killing is sleeping fine now?
Something that I just can’t wrap my head around: Surely, at the very least, someone noticed cuts on a loved one/acquaintance around that time? I find it hard to believe that this person saw no one - family, coworkers, or otherwise - for several weeks while they healed. You don’t walk away from a knife fight unscathed.
True. I'm sure everyone in the town looks at each other's hands and arms more suspiciously now, and surely the police have done that screening thoroughly, on all the kids and relatives associated with the victims.
Hunters.
A psychopath has no guilt and acts completely normal
So do you think that the killer sleeps soundly ?
You are right. Narcissists reveal themselves in obvious ways but psychopaths are VERY good at acting in normal, appropriate ways.
But can't get rid of blood, guts, cuts, stains, and bruises on himself.
@@marthawoodworth It was winter time plus he doesn't want to leave fingerprints. Gloves would have protected his hands from cuts. More and more this is looking like a "perfect crime." Did he plan this out to the point he wore a hazmet type suit? Took it off before he left, put it into a garbage bag and disposed of it far away. Then no blood where he lives. Who knows but either this guy is incredibly lucky or he's a master criminal.
Or, because they were so close to the victims, their odd behaviour is excused as grieving 😕
It’s possible the killer isn’t a local and most people in Spokane aren’t going to assume their friend or family member who’s been acting a little weird are involved in a murder.
Also it’s 2022 and almost Christmas, I’d say a good percentage of the population exhibits odd behaviour right now 😂
@@waynejohnson1786 the killer is in the friend circle or on just on the out circle of friends . This isnt a serial killer or a random person who murdered them
@@HI-pi1er I don't think it's a serial killer, but I agree w everything else.
@@michellemooresings I believe who ever did this had tactical training . To be able to kill four people in the same building with stealth and relative silence . As far as the acting odd theory , Ted Bundy had no problem at all about appearing normal to others . In fact people liked him and considered him an above board personality . Ted even had a degree in psychology .🤣
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This is definitely someone that was close to them.
You have to be close to use a knife...
Don't be so sure this guy is acting any different. When he was done he wasn't all of the sudden gonna think OMG what did I do? He knew exactly the damage he was going to inflict.
The person responsible may be a loner, and has no contact with the outside world other than his/her own fantasies.
@@tonysplace9255 i'm not sure about that, i think he went out and eat at regular places where people knew him or at lest like knew how he acts ... i'm sure these people dont think twice because there are lots of weird ppl out there doesnt make them murderers
This guy is not a serial killer, I don't think. He is a friend, associate known to their circle who was triggered by some combination of emotion, and humiliation, that led to rage probably because the person who triggered this is so close to him. The other deaths may have been collateral damage as they recognized the killer. But then again, there's no way to know. I think he's back to himself, but carrying this heavy albatross of an unspeakable crime and rationalizing it to himself as "they pushed me to this, this isn't who I am." But, yeah, it is.
It's just so horrible all around.
I think you are right on in your analysis of the crime
Have you ever seen a chick pissed because you left the bathroom a wreck ?
Girls cut deep.
Sleepy girls see her and are confused
Then it's all Edward scissor hands
agree
If that were true they would have caught him by now.
@@christinedoyle9212 they are building a case, I think
Not a serial killer. This is a crime of passion and anger at someone, a narcissistic pattern if I can’t have you no one will. Possible mother issues too!
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That’s what I think the two girls turn lesbian and guy killed them
Could be a serial killer (well, Is it still a serial killer if he knew the victims personally and also plotted and then executed a plan?)
Idk... All I knw is that The FBI is involved!
But Why? Do small towns call the FBI after every murder or does it need to be multiple victims or is there some other criteria? Such as a FEDERAL CRIME that was committed?
(The main issue with most Americans is that we simply do not ask questions as we would rather lazily accept the first narrative being presented to us but the "crazies" won't stop asking questions and so we're messing the Game up... : )
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Not necessarily.
Thank you for having Mr. Dreeke on your program. 😊
Whoever did this had a timeline and I can even bet he/ she/they planned it for a while. Why do it right before a major holiday? Why do it right before graduation? Because they knew there would be changes on campus where people would not notice an absence. Changes where this murderer could mask certain behaviors such as relief for sadness or indifference as PTSD.
I think the person / people responsible for this will be a surprise to many. I can’t wait for the truth to be brought to light and some sort of justice for the families. The families will never have their children back but I hope one day at least this monster can be put away forever.
The only "surprise" I can think of is someone like Richard Allen, the Delphi suspect; someone "hiding in plain sight" that no one would would suspect, like a Walmart greeter or a pizza delivery guy. Someone not "connected" to the victims, but who "watched" them and might have been slighted by the girls who barely noticed him.
Interestingly the person you’re describing is Darrell Brooks. Obviously he didn’t participate in this tragedy, but he’s the type. Watching his trials revealed so much to me about this type of person who has no moral compass.
more like Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer
@@scroogemcduckrich9705 I think Anyone that can kill or run over ppl during a Christmas parade and not not give a shit or show any signs of any remorse really has something wrong with them mentally.
@@stevewhitener4903 obviously
@@stevewhitener4903 but THIS killer is more like a Bundy type of character
What's SUPERCREEPY is that nutcase could be anywhere.😳
He could’ve seen your comment😳
There are evil people everywhere,not just this person. That's what scares me.
J - he? Do you know something?
@@user-nq4hw5eb9d Probably...
@@bdawg3942 no it was kind of a joke but everyone just assumes its a guy from the strength it took. Also, I’m sure the killer is watching the case just like they always have but in this day in age you can more actively interact with the news through social media, apps like UA-cam, etc. so theres a high percentage that the killer has been reading comments and maybe even interacting with people unknowingly.
I feel so bad for the families.. this Christmas will be the worst. 💔😰
and every Christmas thereafter.
Unbearable for their family.
Undoubtedly true
comparing ‘christmas’ to eternity without Christ tells to show man is spiritually lost and lives only for the temporary- blind and deaf to the reality of God
....and all of the Christmases to come. You can't recover from this. It changes everything for them.
As a psychologist who specialises in Dark Triad Psychopathy, your interview with Robin Derek it was a pleasure. He is very clear and knowledgeable.
im wondering what you mean in "specializes in dark triad psychopathy"
you state "dark triad psychopathy" as one concept- not sure if just meant like dark triad AND pyschopathy or something like that maybe but saying dark traid pyschopathy as one thing seems to be qualifying it as type of psychopathy or specifying some difference from just regaular pyschopathy, which is confusing. If psychopathy is one of the 3/"triad" of traits of the dark triad personality theory im wondering what dark triad psychpathy would mean exactly.
Also; you say to specialize in dark triad pyschopathy but im wondering what that means in terms of like the general specializations in psychology( like clinical, cognitive, counseling, developmemtal, etc etc etc) which area or type of pyscholigst or practice etc would specalize specifically in psycopathy or dark triad? I imagine as broadly applicable/important fundamentals in any/all area but unclear where as exclusivley or primarily so?
With a lack of evidence, I doubt that your training would have any bearing on this case.
@@ar4203they are probably not actually a psychologist
This is not a serial killer and they are so irresponsible for saying that. This is someone that knew those girls very well and had been in that house before they felt comfortable in that house. This is a crime of passion fueled entirely by emotion. The person responsible is hiding in plain sight.
I totally agree...Imo they have been right in his face more then once...
Yep
I really think they should NOT count out the ex-boyfriend.
@@Afterimage1 agree..
Or it was the same person who did the stabbing in Marion County. Then it is a serial killer and you’re wrong. You could be right, could be wrong.
It's sad that you can't be fun, pretty, young, and happy without someone creepy noticing it. My daughter is like that and I'm scared 😔
Same here, but it’s my niece. She’s a junior in college, living with 5 other roommates and looks so much like Maddie that it makes me extra unnerved. This case is so horribly sad 💔😢.
Whoa relax, you guys know why she and the others were murdered? Victim mentality
@@orlandovega6958 Explain please 🤔
I agree with Orlando down there.... I don't think it's rational or even fair to assume they were killed because they were young, happy, or pretty. Maybe it is a reason why, but probably not the entire reason. Here's why- Its NEVER because of anything the victims have done or are. EVER! Its because the murderer is a DEVIANT freak psychopath who had a bloodlust and a real fkn problem with these people.
My number one suspect in this case would not have killed any of them for the reasons the OP wrote about, but, again, as i said its because they are incredibly insane and incredibly evil! Period!
Prayers to your daughter.
@@thisisme3238 see my reply. Explained his/their comment perfectly
Who's to say it was only one person
Definitely not out of the realm of possibility
@@lupitachavez4102 : Ephesians 1:11
"All things are done according to God's plan and decision"
This means that having the 4 young adults murdered is according to God's plan.
@@TelephoneToughGuy Clueless nonsense.
Every rational view of the evidence says that.
well it was the same knife they said
A sheriff commented on the FBI profile. He said the profile is a total waste of time as far as picking up a criminal suspect. You can't read the profile and then detect and arrest him. After you make an arrest, you can check out and compare him to the profile out of curiosity.
I'm still confused on how 2 ppl slept through all of this...or why they called a friend over...or how they thought someone was unconscious instead of dead...I can only imagine how terrible this crime scene was. I would have ran out while on the phone with 911! Or be afraid the killer may be in the house...its very strange behavior 🤔
Prayers For The Families
Really excellent questions-great interview and insights!
This killer is a Frat Boy or student that had a grudge against one or two of the victims in my opinion!!
Who DOESN'T harbor an awful secret? I'll never tell my kids where/how I finally found their poor, dear hamster. That secret goes to the grave with me.
Ashley, right off the bat of this murder ,Jack D. Changed his appearance, he was a blond ,after the murders ,he dyed his hair dark and grew a darker beard ,and in the Delphi murders they asked the public ,to notice if anyone changed there looks ,to let law inforcement know ,so that's exactly Jack D. DID ,I DIDNT EVEN Recanize him after the murders from before of his picture 😳
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recanize???? you mean recognize???
@@o0o-jd-o0o95 don't be that person, really.
@@o0o-jd-o0o95 yeah don't be that person. let me do it. it's RECOGNIZE not RECANIZE
@@cookie_dough_hangover that person is always necessary
Most Serial Killers move around.
And what about the ex-boyfriend who drove 500 miles to his parents' cabin the night of the murders? Apparently parents and everyone thinks that was perfectly normal behavior?!!?
What are the signs when a news organization has no news to report....
What??
Come back to this channel every hour or so and see lol
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Do they ever report the news? They tend to prevent the news from coming out.
The fact the killer was able to even think about doing what was done but actually following through makes me think the killer lacks empathy, care or love. I doubt remorse is felt and is probably doing life unaffected.
Great interview! Very good point (and hard to do) to avoid confirmation bias.
But they expressed confirmation bias?
The thing is, almost ANY person living near campus would be acting "differently" after this massacre near them. The killer, if local, could mask his anxiety or guilt with feigned upset over the tragedy.
How did the two girls not get harmed? I can't imagine how they feel. Waking up to what they saw. There families I can't imagine their feelings. I sure hope this doesn't go on to be a cold case. That person or persons need to be put away
@dishdog7886 I have to believe the killer slit the victims throats so they would die quickly...just stabbing someone in the torso is usually not quick and people sometimes survive multiple stab wounds and can fight back. That would also explain why no screaming or yelling by the victims. This crime could also have been done by drug cartels...if drugs were involved in some way. Maybe one or more of these kids were selling and didn't pay up or were told to stop...they didn't and a message was sent!
The roommates or the property owner are the one's on my list of suspects. No way they didn't hear or see anything.
Exactly. They even said one of the victims had defense wounds meaning she fought for her life. That wouldnt be quiet at all!!! And to “sleep” through that is just insane. I dont care how drunk they were, they werent deaf.
The roommates even went and got matching tattoos after the murders. I thought that was creepy. Almost like their "trophies". It still gives me the creeps.
The property owner??
WHAT?!? Didn't hear about matching tattoos......THAT IS creepy
@@joycetheobald1717 so you have zero legitimate evidence to accuse them of this heinous crime? However you still do? Got it. Good job bud
I want to know why we don’t have any footage /pics of the bodies being removed from the home?? No Hearst, no ambulance, when did the bodies come out of that house???
Should more than one person be considered? How could one person take out four people, especially if some of the victims had defensive wounds?
8 teenage girls just stabbed a man to death in Toronto. & a group of people were caught walking away in a cops bodycam in Idaho the night of the murders just saying
Anyone who is capable of doing something like that probably feels proud, not awful.
I don't have enough information or expertise to say what is or isn't likely. i just feel that too many people are dismissing this possibility out of hand.
5 myths about serial murder acording to FBI.
Myth #1: All Serial Killers Are Men.
Myth #2: All Serial Killers Are Caucasian.
Myth #3: All Serial Killers Are Isolated and Dysfunctional Loners.
Myth #4: All Serial Murderers Travel Widely and Kill Interstate.
Myth #5: All Serial Killers Are Either Mentally Ill Or Evil Geniuses.
Persistent misinformation, stereotypes and hyperbole presented in the media have combined to foster a number of popular myths about serial murder.
Based on recent FBI crime statistics, there are approximately 15,000 murders annually, 150 victims of serial murder in the U.S. in any given year. The FBI estimates that there are between twenty-five and fifty serial killers operating throughout the U.S. at any given time. If there are fifty, then each one is responsible for an average of three murders per year. Serial killers are always present in society.
If you are one of those people that still think real serial killers come across as socially awkward you really need to listen to the taped interviews of Gacy, Kemper, BTK, Bundy, especially Kemper.
There are lot of good docs and books about the ones they caught. I wish I had a nickel for every detective that said the thing that freaked them out the most, the thing that made their skin crawl even more than the horrific crime scenes, was just how affable, normal, often well spoken and downright ordinary these killers seemed during processing and in interviews. What is "the" serial killer personality type? Answer,....... there is no such thing.
You think someone slaughtered four people and have the capacity to feel guilt ? They don’t feel shame for what they did.
Isn't that crazy that these people think that oh yeah he's sitting in his room crying LOL
I think this case will drag on and maybe take years to solve if it will be solved at all.
Agree 100%
Serial killers all have a modus operandi.....kinda of a signature.
Nothing in this case released by law enforcement leads towards a serial killer.
Remote viewers and psychics are needed at this point.
Banfield you are so Good! You always take the questions to a new level!!!
i think the killer is a student of the University of Idaho.There should be REWARD 1 million dollars
My gut feeling hasn't stopped telling me that it is either the 2 roommates or someone the victim (s) had been around 1 to 60 days prior to the murders.
Something very strange about the roommate. Especially the big one. They know Something. Why call friends when you know you should call 911?
My gut feeling is the roommates, too.....
@@jackhayden2364 I'm very bothered by the fact that 4 people could make noise & try to fight off the killer(s) YET 2 survived YET KNEW NOTHING. HOW IS THAT ?? WHY did they NOT get murdered too ??
The killer is not a serial killer first of all. It’s a narcissistic killer. And second of all, he’s already on the other side of the world. Everyone knows this is why they haven’t caught him even with the help of 60 FBI professionals. The killer is not someone who can live nearby and not get caught bc they’re good at hiding their sadistic secret. It’s someone who has had an obvious issue for a long time. This kid isn’t anywhere near Idaho anymore. Wake up.
I honestly only see Jack S as a suspect because he simply disappeared within hours of being with the girls. His family takes a trip to Kenya every November. He left in the middle of the night to their second home. He had time there to clean up and then leave with them on that flight. It’s a weird time to leave for a college student. No one is answering questions about where he is now, or what car he drives. If I was either of the Jacks I’d be clearing my name publicly.
Interesting 👀.. Why isn't anyone really bringing this up ? First I've heard of it..
I keep hearing Jack S fled to Africa, but I have yet to find any documentation that he left the country. It should be easy for sleuths to find a flight record or something to support this allegation.
@@judyray9729 They need to do that cell phone data search that picks up all cell numbers in the area. Same way they did on J6 & voter mules .. I forgot the name of it.
@@jkalibeelz4339 That's also a good idea but I've read speculation that the suspect could have easily left his/her phone at home with YT autoplay activated. Who knows?
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I just can't comprehend how someone can commit something like this, like wtf
How come all serial killers were never busted by family or neighbors ... They can compartiment things and appear normal ... This is just to make audience
The killer could even be a butcher, or someone who likes to hunt! One of the girls was a waitress, so it could be a client who had a crush on her, maybe he even asked her out and she turned him down! 🤔
not sure but heard one of the 2 girls in bed owns a new range rover, and one of them had an ONLYFANS account. i believe it was someone one of them may have dated once or met online. or the two survivors know much more...college kids keep secrets, and their whole timeline feels hinky as heck. hows about drug screens on the bodies. these killings are not the work of a disorganized stranger.
@@timgreenglass so true! And they threw a lot of parties! Whoever it is has very good getaway skills and probably has a temper!
Looks like this monster is not going to get caught until he slips up and talks to someone about what he's done.
They were filled with so much happiness and joy. Maybe someone envy them.
For anyone making very good points on it possibly being Kaylee 's ex wouldn't the cops have has to search his place already if they thought in any way it could be him? We are 5 weeks out and by now he could have gotten rid of anything and everything pertaining to the murders.
God comfort and strengthen these families and give wisdom and direction to the everyone involved in trying to solve this horrific case. Prayers continue 🙏.
Nope. Not enough probable cause to get a search warrant. Yet.
The longer this goes unsolved, the more I think it was a serial killer
I don't think this person is really around other people. It wouldn't surprise me if he was an outdoors type, hunter, and lives in the mountains alone, maybe even a camper/bivouacker. Ex military or law enforcement background.
I don't think it was a drifter or someone that happened to come upon that house. I think it's someone they knew.
@@ltahoe7195 i think it was someone who worked close by one of the girls. developed an obsession/fantasy and even hatred towards her
It’s hard to believe that people still believe that this crime was committed by 1 person. Just baffling
If they were sleeping then it would be easy. Difficult to think couple people would be ok planning this out and not one of them has cracked
@@discombob still wouldn’t be that easy even if they were sleep. It’s 2 people in each bed one would scream or yell and wake the others and fight back. Unless it was a professional that knew exactly where to stab someone so they couldn’t fight back or do anything
Trust me, he didn’t just snap. He was always crazy and there were signs early on with his personality. In childhood, adult life. A maniac like this doesn’t just become a maniac overnight
Still don't understand why they still assume it's a male. I almost positive it's a female
@@kevynanderson4711 probably from the wounds. from what i've gathered, at least two of them died from deep stabs to the heart. meaning someone would've put the knife on their chest and pushed down hard putting the blade between the ribs. It would have to be a woman with abnormal upper body strength, so it's just more likely a male
@@kevynanderson4711 Cause males have 3 times the upper body strength of females and one of the victims was a fit young male. Well that and biological women rarely choose a knife (unless it is the first thing they grab in the heat of the moment and the killer brought his own weapon).
@@anonz975 Male was sleeping, he was caught off guard. And there is always exceptions to any rules. A good investigator never negates any probable suspect/s. Lizzie Borden wasn't immediately interrogate, and therefore evidence was lost due to foregone assumptions.
@@johnnyboro9558 You've discounted of those under duress or psychosis. What we do know, thus far, is It was person. "Hell hath no fury..." Women's equality! Right? Never underestimate the possibility of a female suspect. #Lizzie Borden. And trust, she is one in a list of many women that were prematurely disregarded due to their gender
Anyone who could murder four people in their sleep most likely has a few cluster B personality disorders and likely does not feel remorse or like they're carrying around a secret.
I just do not believe that a person with normal psychology would be capable of this in the first place.
Interesting points Robin Dreeke, what an interesting man.. good perspective that we non-law people don't even consider. Great guest News Nation, finally.
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@walkie1985 maybe you are.
Wow. That was absolutely useless.
this case is a learning case for these guys. So thankful, we need some eye openers. This ain't a former agent, he retired at the top level of the FBI for an agent.
A quadruple homicide may not be the best time for on-the-job learning..
All murder cases are different, and people learn new things all the time. It doesn't take away from the investigative skills of the local police or FBI.
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I misunderstood you, I apologize.
@@lilyt18 Did you watch the interview. The eye opener was the Chief of Counterintelligence (its actually Head not Chief) Behavioral Analysis Unit FBI retired. That is about as high as you can go for experience. OJT?? The rest are appointed by presidential.
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Yes I did in fact watch the interview. I was not referring to him in particular.
This guy blends in and has no remorse about what he’s done. Hes a true psychopath. He’s intelligent that goes without saying otherwise he would of been caught by now. He has planned this all out, this isn’t off the cuff.. the guy is not stupid. Cold case I’m afraid people 100% I’d be surprised if this is solved in 2023
Great interview & insight. Have no bias, gather info, look for patterns. Objective v Subjective.
They were biased lol
Most are biased.
I still believe it's someone in their immediate circle
Someone had some defensive wounds and would probably show alot of energy and seems happy or gloating of some sort. He is proud he has eludes LE this long.
The last time Moscow police had a major investigation was back in 82 when someone stole a chicken from an old lady’s front yard.
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this lady is just grasping at every tidbit of sensationalism she can for clicks. Get onto actual news instead of feeding the speculation.
Exactly
She has to fill time. One of my favorite lines of Johnny Carson, which he said to Charles Grodin: “I need to fill an hour per night. I just need warm bodies.”
These sort of pieces must create so many time-wasting leads for police.
'person'
wrong. it was a sasquatch.
I would say CHUCKY. Chucky loved to kill with knives, he loved it.
Gee, that was sooooo cutesy.
The dog ?
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Can’t we use google street view or some over the sky images to help?
The one thing (among a myriad here) that doesn’t make any sense, is if the one female victim had a stalker, why would he take the lives of three additional people. That theory doesn’t seem to bode well at all
They seem to have no idea
It do be like that
I don’t understand what people expect. The police aren’t going to give out their entire investigation. They are trying to catch a killer without tipping him off to what they know.
How fast does a person have to wash bloody clothes, to get the blood out, before it dries?
Still trying to ask: What about all the people (that the surviving members called) and came over before they called the police? Every article is unclear/unsure of who and the amount of friends they called/came and went before police came. Just idea of people having time & taking weapon.
One of the surviving roommates made entrance to the second floor and caught a small glimpse of the carnage. She ran outside where friends were on their way over to her, and she passed out from shock. One of the friends made the 911 call from her phone.
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I heard this same story. I wonder if it’s true. I think details like who made the call & from whose phone it was is not important to “solving the crime.” I just believe people are in shock & they’re doing weird stuff because they’re in shock. For instance, I saw someone at a pharmacy collapse in the entryway, and I started telling people at the register to call 911. Later, I thought: “Why didn’t I call 911 with the cell phone in my pocket?”
@Elizabeth Purr ive often wondered if one of the 2nd floor victims made it out of the bedroom, to the common area & collapsed. So when going up to the kitchen they saw them and ran back down/outside. Since it seems odd to go in someones bedroom. Unless if they were super close or the door was left open.
I still believe it was more than one person involved. At least two killers seem responsible for this massacre.
they need to know that this person will hit again
Reading through the comment section here is eye opening .. The majority of the theories and speculation are beyond preposterous
Maybe a hitman was hired by someone?
*Hitperson
Should have been a reward offered very early on. The cops are hapless.
Ashleigh do you only have 1 shirt? Or are all your shirts white? It’s one or the other
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Remember except for phones there have been no search warrants.
I wonder if someone’s ex boyfriend is acting different
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I told Adam (ex-boyfriend's roommate) everything. Nobody has been MORE quiet than that ex.
I agree, was he always quiet or just all of a sudden? Only his friends would know... if his friends say he was always outspoken and now he is avoiding attention then that would be a red flag.
That's a scary thought for these people in Moscow. Watching those close to them, for different behaviours for the purpose of seeing if they may be a killer. Oh good lord.
Thanks for working towards justice and rehabilitation for the Nation ! ❤️
This is why the neighbor/chef looks suspicious to me. In my opinion, he appears aloof when speaking of his neighbors....never speaking about how horrendous these murders are.
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Also only one mentioning a random supped up black SUV.. also strange
Good luck trying to find someone acting strangely in the U.S. - 90% of your country is nuts.
Where is the ire and indignation of Nancy Grace? I watched her expound on this case. We need more ☝️😎👊
That's the one who thought "tot mom" was so clever that she spewed it about 1000 times.
Good information 👍
Jim Clemente: “One of the girls probably had a stalker or someone known to them”
Maddie Mogen: “Were walking in groups to make Kaylee feel safe”
Idaho police: There’s no evidence to support the theory of a stalker. 😡
Store manager who knew the girls: “Kaylee said there was a man stalking her to and from bars when she went out and was afraid of him.
Wtf Idaho police dept ?!! A renowned former fbi profiler told you this in the beginning !!
That vape guy didn't know them. He rarely saw them. I don't think they told him ANY story, let alone a stalker story. He's full of it
@@kellyrene1028 or maybe he’s the guy who did it ? Inserting himself into the investigation. Not the first time a murderer did a public interview 🤔
@Mariné Hattingh the vape guy was sought out by a reporter, i think Entin, while the story about a vape shops camera having already deleted video after 7 days. Then answered questions. Also, i think he said Maddie said they walk in groups bc a friend had a stalker in the past. He also didnt actually know them more than a customer relationship
If any of the girls were Really concerned about a Stalker they would have done something about it for sure at least Said " he's that guy over there he wears this or that and he's older etc they said nothing about this mystery stalker ....they have there phones with them all the time and no photos of the stalker? I'm not buying the attacker is a stalker ....
@@vls3771 you actually raise a good point, anyone who had a stalker would’ve done something about or posted about it or something like that. I didn’t even think of that
It’s only a matter of time! This murderer will not get away with this!
It would make sense to me that they left the country after they saw it all over the news. Unless they a pychopath.
Perhaps they don’t keep up on the news. Some people don’t like so much technology these days, one of my family friends is like that.
@@mayaclark409 Yeah could be possible honestly.
A monster capable of such atrocity is not capable of remorse or guilt.
We need to start praying for the two girls that were in there and had to come upstairs to the kitchen and find the bodies they are gonna need more help than we ever even thought of
Yeah and therapy. This is so sad!!!
What if, shockingly, they or 1 of them, is somehow involved? One of them was texting and sending pictures around 2:30 a.m. to a guy. Why? And how did they not hear a Jon ything? I'm calling BS on the Not hearing Nything. The guy was woken and confronted the killer. That's why he was found in a door way. Yea, somebody's lying about Not hearing a thing. The dog would have been barking his brains out! They all should be polygraphed.
@@roxyloveslucy yeah they def should be polygraphed.
@@roxyloveslucy We only yelling anybody ever talks about is about 345 and it was also a scream at that time
@@mayaclark409 You can’t polygraph somebody that’s in shock