If he hadn't discarded Breach to Frantic Search he would've been able to cast Frantic Search 9 times the next turn and see all but 2 cards in his deck with access to "infinite" mana (you just get 3 mana over and over). Was definitely a misplay to discard Breach, which he even mentions.
Obviously hindsight is 20-20 but breach is basically a one sided timetwister at that point in the game with the graveyard full. Having the game plan to twister a mono red deck you just spent the last 6 turns grinding to dust is maybe the wrong play.
I remember very early in this cube list while watching on my phone I had to google a card LSV was picking/considering so I googled “fourth year lingus.” I assumed it was a Strixhaven card and who knew what a lingus was haha.
@@cz19856 Initiative is just a stupid, overly complex mechanic. You could argue stupid for monarch, especially in two player formats, but it really isn't overly complex.
Referring to 1:20:20, there’s no point in draw step cast Abrade on Carnage Interpreter when we can upkeep it. It means the Interpreter still dies if the second card drawn is an instant.
As always, his greed was his undoing. He was so focussed on drawing 7 cards that he didn't consider the route of just putting his opponent to 0 permanents
I love trying out removing things like Initiative. I find it warps these cubes so much into favoring midrangey creature battles. It also promotes making less interesting picks because picking random initiative creatures is always good value.
Feeling vindicated for questioning the previous P1P1 Lutri picks over Reanimate, Oko, and Laelia. EDIT: Lutri did absolutely nothing (again)! LSV mentions it once in a two hour video, when he explains why it's just not a good time to put it into his hand.
Highway Robbery looks like a slam in this deck. 0 mana for storm/lutri, bins two for breach and a sac outlet for titania. Surprised to see a hate pick over it.
I was surprised too. Seems like he didn't have an interest in using it for Storm...which with Underworld Breach, storm is more a formality than something you need to worry about to make it work. But all the same, it seemed like a good fit.
I started watching you to learn how to draft and I fell in love with your content. One of the things you taught me is to pick the card that works for your deck, not to plan my draft around hate. Ever since you've begun playing team drafts with known variables in your friends, however, you spend more time thinking about who will get what than what you need or what you will wheel--And I think if we compare the stats, your results this year reflect this philosophical change.
Do you ever miss normal non team draft? i must say i do miss the pure simplicity of not having to worry about what your passing and just taking the best card for your deck every pack.
I like no-initiative. I found those cards to be too powerful in a not so fun way. They don’t really combine with anything, they are too good on their own.
Sorry if you answer it in the video but I'm going to ask now in case I fall asleep. Was there a reason why you took initiative out? Is it just to keep mixing it up to keep it fresh or do you think initiative is particularly problematic for gameplay?
Oh nice. I even called the G-probe over brainstorm pick before you got there. Thanks for all the drafts. I think I might have to snag a rentail service and get in one via the divination.
I like the idea of no-initiative cube, what about a cube that's only cards designed for 2-player formats? (So no Initiative, Minsc and Boo, Forth Eorlingas, or Monarch)
If you removed from LSV's cube all the cards that are neither modern-eligible nor from 1993-2003, that would mean removing - all the Initiative cards (White Plume Adventurer, Seasoned Dungeoneer, Feywild Caretaker, Passageway Seer, From the Catacombs, Caves of Chaos Adventurer, Undermountain Adventurer) - the other Baldur's Gate cards (Displacer Kitten, Gut, Minsc & Boo) - all the Monarch cards (Palace Jailer, Emberwilde Captain) - all the Warhammer cards (Sicarian Infiltrator, Necron Deathmark, Noise Marine, Chaos Defiler, Mawloc, Night Scythe) - all the Jurassic Park cards (Spitting Dilophosaurus) - all the Clue cards (Headliner Scarlett, Carnage Interpreter, Unruly Krasis) - 4 other white cards: Unexpectedly Absent, Council's Judgment, Glimmer Lens, Staff of the Storyteller - 5 other blue cards: Hullbreacher, Spellseeker, True-Name Nemesis, Smirking Spelljacker, Mystic Confluence - 1 other black card: Toxic Deluge - 5 other red cards: "Name Sticker" Goblin, Broadside Bombardiers, Death-Greeter's Champion, Fiery Confluence, Elemental Eruption - 1 other green card: Pest Infestation - other gold cards: Fractured Identity, Baleful Strix, Torsten, Dack Fayden, Forth Eorlingas!, Otharri, Aragorn, Leovold - other artifacts: Relic of Sauron, Triplicate Titan, Currency Converter, Retrofitter Foundry, Coveted Jewel You'd probably have a hard time getting buy-in to remove a lot of the beloved cards here: Baleful Strix, Mystic Confluence, Fiery Confluence, Retrofitter Foundry, Currency Converter, Spellseeker, etc.
I actually really like initiative. It'd be cooler if initiative was just Enter the Dungeon, but the Initiative dungeon is more powerful than those by a significant margin.
Glad to see cube without these commander cards that obviously weren't designed for 1v1. I feel like they take over the game like no other cards and shouldn't belong in the cube to begin with - but each to his own.
Ultimately, mot really too interesting. You just use one pick for the objectively best card: someone on your team can use it. Removes some of the drafting from the draft.
I love LSV but he seemingly becomes OBSESSED with specific cards or colors to his own detriment. Lurus was absolutely useless here.......The obsession with red and blue is insane...
@@LSVargas Hey LSV, appreciate the reply. I know it's hard to hear criticism, but it's difficult to see things like this from the drivers seat. I can't recall how many times you've slammed urza in a mono green or mono black deck over very powerful green/black cards.
In all my years of magic I have never seen someone lose a game where they strip mine'd 6 lands and kept their opponent at
Into a timetwister with 8 of the next 9 cards being lands. Incredible
If he hadn't discarded Breach to Frantic Search he would've been able to cast Frantic Search 9 times the next turn and see all but 2 cards in his deck with access to "infinite" mana (you just get 3 mana over and over). Was definitely a misplay to discard Breach, which he even mentions.
Obviously hindsight is 20-20 but breach is basically a one sided timetwister at that point in the game with the graveyard full. Having the game plan to twister a mono red deck you just spent the last 6 turns grinding to dust is maybe the wrong play.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe!
Yaaay! Getting part of the video spoiled before even clicking fullscreen.
I remember very early in this cube list while watching on my phone I had to google a card LSV was picking/considering so I googled “fourth year lingus.” I assumed it was a Strixhaven card and who knew what a lingus was haha.
Nono, the card is called Forth Aer Lingus!
i know what a ligma is, but not a lingus
the fact googling that actually pops up the right card though KEK
I had no idea what 'Call Bacall' was until I looked it up just now (and realized it was Akal Pakal)
Ah old friend, it's good to see you back!
Honestly, I'm liking the idea of an Initative-less Cube.
monarch-less too
@@cz19856aragorn was in the draft tho?
@@cz19856so was palace jailer
I just proposed the idea, didn't know initiative was already removed lol
@@cz19856 Initiative is just a stupid, overly complex mechanic. You could argue stupid for monarch, especially in two player formats, but it really isn't overly complex.
Referring to 1:20:20, there’s no point in draw step cast Abrade on Carnage Interpreter when we can upkeep it. It means the Interpreter still dies if the second card drawn is an instant.
With a full graveyard, discarding breach and keeping land had me literally shout, "NO NO NO" at my screen, haha.
As always, his greed was his undoing. He was so focussed on drawing 7 cards that he didn't consider the route of just putting his opponent to 0 permanents
I love trying out removing things like Initiative. I find it warps these cubes so much into favoring midrangey creature battles. It also promotes making less interesting picks because picking random initiative creatures is always good value.
Feeling vindicated for questioning the previous P1P1 Lutri picks over Reanimate, Oko, and Laelia.
EDIT: Lutri did absolutely nothing (again)! LSV mentions it once in a two hour video, when he explains why it's just not a good time to put it into his hand.
Same 😂
Lutri does nothing in yet another draft
@@rezzytheskyguyWhere are all the people previously defending how busted a "free" spell is? 😂
Ah yes, the 6 mana free spell, lol - it is free opportunity cost (assuming picks line up), but it certainly isn't free to actually use.
@@traycarrot gone 💨
I kind of prefer the cube without initiative. I like initiative, but trap/forge ends a lot of games pretty quickly.
Agreed, it feels too snowbally - and I think Monarch does the snowball mechanic better for a 2-player format.
@@bricelory9534 we need ascend back
Highway Robbery looks like a slam in this deck. 0 mana for storm/lutri, bins two for breach and a sac outlet for titania. Surprised to see a hate pick over it.
I was surprised too. Seems like he didn't have an interest in using it for Storm...which with Underworld Breach, storm is more a formality than something you need to worry about to make it work. But all the same, it seemed like a good fit.
That last game made me angry 😖
Initiative is such a fun-less mechanic. I love the idea of more cubes without those cards
I started watching you to learn how to draft and I fell in love with your content. One of the things you taught me is to pick the card that works for your deck, not to plan my draft around hate. Ever since you've begun playing team drafts with known variables in your friends, however, you spend more time thinking about who will get what than what you need or what you will wheel--And I think if we compare the stats, your results this year reflect this philosophical change.
Do you ever miss normal non team draft? i must say i do miss the pure simplicity of not having to worry about what your passing and just taking the best card for your deck every pack.
Nah I love team draft so much
Woooo! No more initiative!
That last game must’ve been so infuriating lol
I like no-initiative. I found those cards to be too powerful in a not so fun way. They don’t really combine with anything, they are too good on their own.
Timetwister seemed like a sure way to let him hit his land drops in the last game. Why not keep breach instead?
Sorry if you answer it in the video but I'm going to ask now in case I fall asleep. Was there a reason why you took initiative out? Is it just to keep mixing it up to keep it fresh or do you think initiative is particularly problematic for gameplay?
Just to mix up play patterns
This deck is sick! last match was unfortunate but nothing you can do when you twist into 6 lands and draw 2 more =(
Oh nice. I even called the G-probe over brainstorm pick before you got there.
Thanks for all the drafts. I think I might have to snag a rentail service and get in one via the divination.
No initiative!!! Excellent!!!
I think it's time to remake that clip where you played Devil's Advocate FOR Mana Screw lol
That deluge was wild, lol.
58:45 couldn't you block lutri with the cloaked zuran orb then flip it up to blank the life gain?
I LOVE the Initiative in formats it was designed for! It’s the perfect multiplayer mechanic.
In 1v1, it’s best in small doses IMO
Banger of a video!
I like the initiative in constructed but not in a cube environment.
Diversifies wincons
I like the idea of no-initiative cube, what about a cube that's only cards designed for 2-player formats? (So no Initiative, Minsc and Boo, Forth Eorlingas, or Monarch)
no TNN? banning all commander designs not reprinted in a 1v1 format?😮
How do you know what is a 4-player design and what is a card printed in a commander set for older formats?
The easy way to do that is ban all cards only printed in a commander set.
If you removed from LSV's cube all the cards that are neither modern-eligible nor from 1993-2003, that would mean removing
- all the Initiative cards (White Plume Adventurer, Seasoned Dungeoneer, Feywild Caretaker, Passageway Seer, From the Catacombs, Caves of Chaos Adventurer, Undermountain Adventurer)
- the other Baldur's Gate cards (Displacer Kitten, Gut, Minsc & Boo)
- all the Monarch cards (Palace Jailer, Emberwilde Captain)
- all the Warhammer cards (Sicarian Infiltrator, Necron Deathmark, Noise Marine, Chaos Defiler, Mawloc, Night Scythe)
- all the Jurassic Park cards (Spitting Dilophosaurus)
- all the Clue cards (Headliner Scarlett, Carnage Interpreter, Unruly Krasis)
- 4 other white cards: Unexpectedly Absent, Council's Judgment, Glimmer Lens, Staff of the Storyteller
- 5 other blue cards: Hullbreacher, Spellseeker, True-Name Nemesis, Smirking Spelljacker, Mystic Confluence
- 1 other black card: Toxic Deluge
- 5 other red cards: "Name Sticker" Goblin, Broadside Bombardiers, Death-Greeter's Champion, Fiery Confluence, Elemental Eruption
- 1 other green card: Pest Infestation
- other gold cards: Fractured Identity, Baleful Strix, Torsten, Dack Fayden, Forth Eorlingas!, Otharri, Aragorn, Leovold
- other artifacts: Relic of Sauron, Triplicate Titan, Currency Converter, Retrofitter Foundry, Coveted Jewel
You'd probably have a hard time getting buy-in to remove a lot of the beloved cards here: Baleful Strix, Mystic Confluence, Fiery Confluence, Retrofitter Foundry, Currency Converter, Spellseeker, etc.
@@robbymvb doesn't forth eorlingas give you monarch
What's your opinion on the v cube being max power vs v cube being as optimized for fun as possible debate?
No Initiative!
Wondering if aluren will ever be added to the cube. Is it considered unfun or not strong enough to make the cut? Thanks!
Likely not good enough, if you're not instakilling with it it's asymmetric effect is a negative against too many decks
That last game was really cool, on a razor's edge for so long. Shame it ended in kind of a disappointing fashion
Discard both win cons for no reason, proceed to lose, who could have seen this coming!
The Zero initiative cube.... tough luck m3g3...
I actually really like initiative. It'd be cooler if initiative was just Enter the Dungeon, but the Initiative dungeon is more powerful than those by a significant margin.
oh man that last game was pain. Broadside is a crazy card!
Glad to see cube without these commander cards that obviously weren't designed for 1v1. I feel like they take over the game like no other cards and shouldn't belong in the cube to begin with - but each to his own.
So no TNN?
Monarch mechanic was still in so there's that....
@@seangerrity9217 Indeed, personally I would also cut monarch cards, TNN, fractured identity, and any other cards that were designed for multiplayer.
@@Nikolaj-qz9kw whats TNN again
@@kaiseremotion854 True name nemesis
Is this a digital version of your paper cube?
1:42:52 ugly The most lucky opp i ever see
what a day！
Updraft really wanted you to win
I may be in the minority but i love the initiative cards. They're really cool & fun to use
I think they are fine sometimes but I also like the idea of the variety of atmospheres you could get without them.
@@rossmcbeath4997 for sure i definitely agree
Agree I like them too it gives the fair decks more of a chance
I personally like the initiative but it’ll be interesting to see the cube without it
Why is night scythe in the cube?
Because it’s very good
Wow, that was the worst time twister ever. 😢
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It would be an interesting twist, if at the end of the draft, each player could give one of their cards to one of their team mates.
Ultimately, mot really too interesting. You just use one pick for the objectively best card: someone on your team can use it. Removes some of the drafting from the draft.
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I love LSV but he seemingly becomes OBSESSED with specific cards or colors to his own detriment. Lurus was absolutely useless here.......The obsession with red and blue is insane...
Kinda weird comment tbh
@@LSVargas Hey LSV, appreciate the reply. I know it's hard to hear criticism, but it's difficult to see things like this from the drivers seat. I can't recall how many times you've slammed urza in a mono green or mono black deck over very powerful green/black cards.
FoR nOt HaViNg AnY pOwEr ThIs DeCk Is GoOd
Also the deck: Timetwister
All jokes aside, love the content, I'm a big fan!
Ah, thanks for no-initiative. It's such a trash mechanic (in actual mtg at least).
LSV just has literally 0 respect for True Name...
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Discarding the breach over the mountain or anything else that last game was fatal 🥲