Just got mine one week ago (Cube Cargo Hybrid, not the sport) and so far it has been an absolutely joy. Iv'e never owned af Cargo bike before but we did it to avoid getting two cars. It drives awesome and with one or two kids onboard its extremely easy to use. Very surprised. Also, i bought the one with internal stepless gearing, and I was a bit nervous on hills, but it was a breeze to climb them even with a fully loaded cargo. I took a chance and ordered it without trying it but i havent had any regrets so far. Awesome review that helped me with my decisions. I have fairly large feed, and i also touch the stand occasionally, but it's no problem at all to adjust my feet. And the limited turning ratio (That all cargo bike has) is not something you need in daily driving the thing. To summarize: I recommend.
Very good review. Very detailed. I have own one for a year and definitely a huge upgrade from the non electric version of the yuba supermarche that I had before. Definitely cube being the main customer for Bosch on electric bikes brings huge advantages on products costumization. Soon my dealer should put a gates belt on my enviolo version replacing the chain glider.
@@tomassakalauskas2856 I confess that in the end I kept the chain with the chain glider. It's s almost maintenance free as well. You just need to adjust the chain from time to time and replace it when it's worn.
3500km update: Just swapped the chain for a much heavier one. The one that was on it was kind of underspecced and needed a replacement. The sadle sucks as it swallows rain now and releases it on your next ride in the crotch area. Need to replace that. For now I cover it in a plastic bag. Getting the hang of maintanance myself now. A big problem is that nobody wants to service these bikes as they clog up the bike stores. Think about maintanance before you get a cargo bike!. I can say it is very fun to maintain the Cube. Especially the rear fork is very easy to deal with. Tire swaps, chain swaps, brake maintanance: all easy. Just make a support rack in wood. The electronics seem solid, no issues with that, but I get the idea the bike needs calibration. 26km/u (when the motor stops supporting) is more like 23 in reality (GPS measured).
The Cubes fantastic. It’d be my choice if I had £5k! Meanwhile, and thanks to your review a few years ago with Chris, I’m still using my Orbea Katu with the Bosch mid drive and an additional rack on the rear. Changed the way I shop for groceries and has probably paid for itself in saved fuel. 👍👏🏼
Some experience after 3 months and 2000km with it: Great ride, very easy to handle and good punch. You have to choose routes carefully and avoid traffic lights that clog with cyclists, as the bike really wants to go on green, which is rather cumbersome if you are held up by a bunch of regular bicycles. The original tire went flat 2 times, it was a Moto-X. Now I replaced it with a Pick-Up, which feels quite a bit sturdier and I have to say Cube did a good job on making the replacement easy for noobs. Even the tension setting for the chain and the connectors for the Enviolo gearing are easy to use. Also we needed to tighten most frame connecting bolts, especially the ones on the bucket rim get quite loose after 2000km.
Interesting! Do you use the 500Wh or 1,000 Wh (Dual pack)? I'd been keen to hear what your real world range is like after owning one of these for a while (assuming you use a mixture of the power modes (eco-turbo). I'm familiiar with the Bosch system and find the displayed range is widly inacurate and make it hard to manage distances.
@@We.are.robots The support mode does not really affect range, only top speed. We have dual batteries, but usually one is in the charger at home, the other one on the bike. You can get about 50km on a battery, I once did a 100km holiday trip with a fully loaded bucket on both batteries in one go. The thing for me is that I ride with so much leg power, that 2 stripes are "assistance". So on Turbo that means you go 23/h (it displays 26), and on eco you go like 20k/h (it shows 23). I think at cruising speed a static amount of power is needed to remove the friction of the motor from the drivetrain, so no real support. At the traffic light it just means you are at top speed in 2 seconds in Turbo, and in 5 in Eco.
@@lovemadeinjapan Thanks for the reply! Ok, I didnt realise the modes dont really affect range. 50km per battery is pretty good, althought its hilly here so it might be more like 35-40km haha
I really like your videos and soon I will be purchasing a Liberty Trike as a result of your review. Your voice is so sincere and informative as opposed to the other guy who reviews on your channel. The inflection in his voice appears to comical and insincere and I can only watch a few minutes of his reviews before I have to turn him off. Keep up the good Quality Cort!
Nice bike , beware of this system if you have very weak legs , it is definitely more biased towards torque so especially in lower power modes like eco you will have to work hard , if you go up to sport or turbo you will get more help but loos out in range though it will climb hills better, look at what range you expect, and take it on some of your local journeys, try well before you buy.
That’s good advice, it’s definitely worth test riding if possible. Any Ebike that weighs a lot or is used for hauling heavy loads will tend to get less range as it requires more electric assist to ride comfortably. I think bikes like this are a perfect application of motor support, imagine pedaling a 100+ pound load on a regular bike! It should definitely have some low gears!
We have it on Turbo always. Then it is very kind to your legs and knees, yet on straight tracks it is quite easy to pedel max speed and above to get the assistance turn off or run in minimal 1-stripe mode. Range is hardly affected by the setting, it is mostly affected by the speed you ride at 25km/h batteries are going faster than at 26,5km/h and above. Found out it was in 75Nm setting out of the factory, but the bike shop updated it to 85Nm.
It's using torque sensor instead of cadence sensor found in hubmotor so you need to find the right gear and it accelerates slower at start. But if you come up to speed it's more efficient and even stronger than hubmotor system. The range will also be better even at turbo. Also Bosch set the assistance very low on eco, its basically just to offset the weight of the bike so useless in most case.
@@frafra224 yes it measures torque cadence and wheel speed , but its definitely bias towards torque mine had shift sensing the works , its a great system if your legs are very weak, as in my case I found the cadence hub motor works better, and the Bosch system will climb hills better because you can put it right up to turbo if necessary.
I'd love your take on these bikes as touring bikes for bikecamping trips. Just throw your gear in the box, maybe a pannier or two, and off you go! Is that possible do you think?
Hi bro need help got a electric bike it all works when charger is plugged in soon as I in plug all power is gone shows full battery when charger is in but no power with out the charger the bike is new
Great review, what do you think is the better bike, the cube or the urban arrow. Make the suspension the difference? Greatings from Germany says Michael
This bicycle rides like no other. Never experienced cycling like this. Super stable, best feeling I ever had on roundabouts, good suspension so doing some grass or dirt is no problem. Even with a 220kg full load it handles very very smooth. If you pick a regular bike after, it is almost creepy to drive the bouncing ball you loved before.
Yeah! That one looks interesting. Have you seen their Concept Dynamic Cargo model? It’s a delta trike with a box on the back www.cube.eu/concept-dynamic-cargo/ I’d like to check it out too.
This is such a good review! So many details you wont hear anywhere else. I have been interested in the Cube Cargo Dual Hybrid for a year, checking out all sources, shops and many reviews. Heck, I even OWN one now for half a year with over 1500 km driven. And yet, I heard the first time about walk mode, being able to charge the battery in the bike and about the intuvia display charge port for phones. There is no word about that in the included bike manual, and I did read all of it!
P.S. For those of you who bought two chargers (i.e. not aware of the in bike charging ability), only use ONE charger while in bike charging. Even though it has two charging ports, it will not work with two chargers.
One tip: I found the tires to be a little weak, ours came with Moto-X from Schwalbe. We had 2 flats quite fast. Now I put on Schwalbe Cargo tires, and don't forget to inflate them to 3,5-4 bar. It rides better now and the tire is way stronger.
It’s a good question. My guess is that the custom build, large heavy shipping, and lower sales volume compared to cars all contribute to the higher price. With some cars, you get economies of scale because they might be sold in higher volume. Perhaps someone else will chime in with ideas. It would be cool to hear from someone who works in the industry in supply chain or marketing.
It's about volume, but they are cheaper when it comes to CTO. An electric car is a crappy alternative in the city. You still get stuck in traffic, you still generate 10 times as much polution, you have twice the chance to hit pedestrians or cyclists than with a combustion car, you don't work your legs, and you do 10 times worse in km/kWh and your door-to-door speed is worse. So go get that crappy e-car!
It has no removable battery. Thanks, next. I know they can be ugly, but leaving them in the bike is no option. Really love the Cube setup with dual Bosch powerpacks. You can leave one on, have the other inside charging, or mount both for 100km+ range and charge both by connecting the charger to the bike.
My car (Aygo) costs half of our bike (the Cube). But with 300km less car driving in the city each week, we save 40€ a week on gas, that is 2k per year. So the Cube earns itself back very fast. Not to mention that door-to-door speed is better, we no longer have parking issues, parking fees nor parking tickets. And I get free sports twice a day, so I could ditch the gym bill.
I was looking at the design, and it reminds me of a chariot. Neat to see a different take on the box bike compared to Urban Arrow and others. They did several things differently, and I think it turned out alright, even if this type of ebike isn’t your thing, it’s nice to see a less expensive alternative out there. What Ebikes interest you most Deirdre?
Just got mine one week ago (Cube Cargo Hybrid, not the sport) and so far it has been an absolutely joy. Iv'e never owned af Cargo bike before but we did it to avoid getting two cars.
It drives awesome and with one or two kids onboard its extremely easy to use. Very surprised. Also, i bought the one with internal stepless gearing, and I was a bit nervous on hills, but it was a breeze to climb them even with a fully loaded cargo.
I took a chance and ordered it without trying it but i havent had any regrets so far.
Awesome review that helped me with my decisions. I have fairly large feed, and i also touch the stand occasionally, but it's no problem at all to adjust my feet. And the limited turning ratio (That all cargo bike has) is not something you need in daily driving the thing.
To summarize: I recommend.
Very good review. Very detailed. I have own one for a year and definitely a huge upgrade from the non electric version of the yuba supermarche that I had before. Definitely cube being the main customer for Bosch on electric bikes brings huge advantages on products costumization. Soon my dealer should put a gates belt on my enviolo version replacing the chain glider.
@@tomassakalauskas2856 I confess that in the end I kept the chain with the chain glider. It's s almost maintenance free as well. You just need to adjust the chain from time to time and replace it when it's worn.
We ride the Enviolo version with dual batteries. Stellar car replacement, we cut our car use by 300km a week, so that is 40€ of gas less per week.
Savings have gone up to 50€ a week last few days.
Don't just calculate fuel savings. The IRS (usa) has calculated a rate of over 60 cents/mile for mileage reimbursement.
3500km update: Just swapped the chain for a much heavier one. The one that was on it was kind of underspecced and needed a replacement. The sadle sucks as it swallows rain now and releases it on your next ride in the crotch area. Need to replace that. For now I cover it in a plastic bag. Getting the hang of maintanance myself now. A big problem is that nobody wants to service these bikes as they clog up the bike stores. Think about maintanance before you get a cargo bike!. I can say it is very fun to maintain the Cube. Especially the rear fork is very easy to deal with. Tire swaps, chain swaps, brake maintanance: all easy. Just make a support rack in wood. The electronics seem solid, no issues with that, but I get the idea the bike needs calibration. 26km/u (when the motor stops supporting) is more like 23 in reality (GPS measured).
The Cubes fantastic. It’d be my choice if I had £5k! Meanwhile, and thanks to your review a few years ago with Chris, I’m still using my Orbea Katu with the Bosch mid drive and an additional rack on the rear. Changed the way I shop for groceries and has probably paid for itself in saved fuel. 👍👏🏼
That’s awesome! Glad to hear you found that video useful, and are enjoying your Orbea :D
Some experience after 3 months and 2000km with it:
Great ride, very easy to handle and good punch. You have to choose routes carefully and avoid traffic lights that clog with cyclists, as the bike really wants to go on green, which is rather cumbersome if you are held up by a bunch of regular bicycles.
The original tire went flat 2 times, it was a Moto-X. Now I replaced it with a Pick-Up, which feels quite a bit sturdier and I have to say Cube did a good job on making the replacement easy for noobs. Even the tension setting for the chain and the connectors for the Enviolo gearing are easy to use. Also we needed to tighten most frame connecting bolts, especially the ones on the bucket rim get quite loose after 2000km.
Interesting! Do you use the 500Wh or 1,000 Wh (Dual pack)? I'd been keen to hear what your real world range is like after owning one of these for a while (assuming you use a mixture of the power modes (eco-turbo). I'm familiiar with the Bosch system and find the displayed range is widly inacurate and make it hard to manage distances.
@@We.are.robots The support mode does not really affect range, only top speed. We have dual batteries, but usually one is in the charger at home, the other one on the bike. You can get about 50km on a battery, I once did a 100km holiday trip with a fully loaded bucket on both batteries in one go.
The thing for me is that I ride with so much leg power, that 2 stripes are "assistance". So on Turbo that means you go 23/h (it displays 26), and on eco you go like 20k/h (it shows 23). I think at cruising speed a static amount of power is needed to remove the friction of the motor from the drivetrain, so no real support. At the traffic light it just means you are at top speed in 2 seconds in Turbo, and in 5 in Eco.
@@lovemadeinjapan Thanks for the reply! Ok, I didnt realise the modes dont really affect range. 50km per battery is pretty good, althought its hilly here so it might be more like 35-40km haha
@@We.are.robots Depends whether you go up or down....
I really like your videos and soon I will be purchasing a Liberty Trike as a result of your review. Your voice is so sincere and informative as opposed to the other guy who reviews on your channel. The inflection in his voice appears to comical and insincere and I can only watch a few minutes of his reviews before I have to turn him off. Keep up the good Quality Cort!
Thanks for this! Mine is coming in next week. Can't wait to explore it!
Nice bike , beware of this system if you have very weak legs , it is definitely more biased towards torque so especially in lower power modes like eco you will have to work hard , if you go up to sport or turbo you will get more help but loos out in range though it will climb hills better, look at what range you expect, and take it on some of your local journeys, try well before you buy.
That’s good advice, it’s definitely worth test riding if possible. Any Ebike that weighs a lot or is used for hauling heavy loads will tend to get less range as it requires more electric assist to ride comfortably. I think bikes like this are a perfect application of motor support, imagine pedaling a 100+ pound load on a regular bike! It should definitely have some low gears!
We have it on Turbo always. Then it is very kind to your legs and knees, yet on straight tracks it is quite easy to pedel max speed and above to get the assistance turn off or run in minimal 1-stripe mode. Range is hardly affected by the setting, it is mostly affected by the speed you ride at 25km/h batteries are going faster than at 26,5km/h and above. Found out it was in 75Nm setting out of the factory, but the bike shop updated it to 85Nm.
@Love made in Japan if you can cope with it then am happy for you 😊
It's using torque sensor instead of cadence sensor found in hubmotor so you need to find the right gear and it accelerates slower at start. But if you come up to speed it's more efficient and even stronger than hubmotor system. The range will also be better even at turbo. Also Bosch set the assistance very low on eco, its basically just to offset the weight of the bike so useless in most case.
@@frafra224 yes it measures torque cadence and wheel speed , but its definitely bias towards torque mine had shift sensing the works , its a great system if your legs are very weak, as in my case I found the cadence hub motor works better, and the Bosch system will climb hills better because you can put it right up to turbo if necessary.
I'd love your take on these bikes as touring bikes for bikecamping trips. Just throw your gear in the box, maybe a pannier or two, and off you go! Is that possible do you think?
Hi bro need help got a electric bike it all works when charger is plugged in soon as I in plug all power is gone shows full battery when charger is in but no power with out the charger the bike is new
And when the charger is in the wheel spins if I use the throttle just nothing without charger plugged in
wow, thanks so much, that helped me! Thanks for your effort!
Great review, what do you think is the better bike, the cube or the urban arrow. Make the suspension the difference? Greatings from Germany says Michael
Definitely the Cube, for the suspension, double range, and sportier sit position.
You would think a cargo bike would have a 48 or 52v system?
I have a question about your gloves, do they have a special feature as I see the ON/OFF sign in your index finger 🤓
Interesting. I would’ve thought this thing wouldn’t balance well at all but seems to ride well. Putting any weight on it might change that.
This bicycle rides like no other. Never experienced cycling like this. Super stable, best feeling I ever had on roundabouts, good suspension so doing some grass or dirt is no problem. Even with a 220kg full load it handles very very smooth. If you pick a regular bike after, it is almost creepy to drive the bouncing ball you loved before.
Time to review Cube Fold Hybrid
Yeah! That one looks interesting. Have you seen their Concept Dynamic Cargo model? It’s a delta trike with a box on the back www.cube.eu/concept-dynamic-cargo/ I’d like to check it out too.
Are you wearing heated gloves?
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Chain doesn't move when pedal backwards. Would be a pain to clean and lube.
Yo! Trim those front fender stays! That’s bush league!!😂
Please review the new himiway bikes
I wanted a car that says I drive mopeds and wood trim on the sides so instead I bought this.
ET cycle f720/1000 from Leion cycle (NCM) please ask them for review. Very famous in Canada/Australia
Oh yeah, I’ve covered NCM in the past, it seems like they are the same company as Leon Cycle perhaps?
why dont you just ride home with your bike from the dealer? it is a bike.
This is such a good review! So many details you wont hear anywhere else.
I have been interested in the Cube Cargo Dual Hybrid for a year, checking out all sources, shops and many reviews.
Heck, I even OWN one now for half a year with over 1500 km driven.
And yet, I heard the first time about walk mode, being able to charge the battery in the bike and about the intuvia display charge port for phones.
There is no word about that in the included bike manual, and I did read all of it!
P.S. For those of you who bought two chargers (i.e. not aware of the in bike charging ability), only use ONE charger while in bike charging.
Even though it has two charging ports, it will not work with two chargers.
Never tried walkmode myself, but I think it already walks great without assistance.
One tip: I found the tires to be a little weak, ours came with Moto-X from Schwalbe. We had 2 flats quite fast. Now I put on Schwalbe Cargo tires, and don't forget to inflate them to 3,5-4 bar. It rides better now and the tire is way stronger.
thank you for a good presentation. why are these bikes so expensive? i can get a new car for that price
an electric new car with larger battery.
It’s a good question. My guess is that the custom build, large heavy shipping, and lower sales volume compared to cars all contribute to the higher price. With some cars, you get economies of scale because they might be sold in higher volume. Perhaps someone else will chime in with ideas. It would be cool to hear from someone who works in the industry in supply chain or marketing.
It's about volume, but they are cheaper when it comes to CTO. An electric car is a crappy alternative in the city. You still get stuck in traffic, you still generate 10 times as much polution, you have twice the chance to hit pedestrians or cyclists than with a combustion car, you don't work your legs, and you do 10 times worse in km/kWh and your door-to-door speed is worse. So go get that crappy e-car!
Want style and quality? Same...thats why we just dropped this commute changer!
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It has no removable battery. Thanks, next. I know they can be ugly, but leaving them in the bike is no option. Really love the Cube setup with dual Bosch powerpacks. You can leave one on, have the other inside charging, or mount both for 100km+ range and charge both by connecting the charger to the bike.
I could buy a truck for that price!
My car (Aygo) costs half of our bike (the Cube). But with 300km less car driving in the city each week, we save 40€ a week on gas, that is 2k per year. So the Cube earns itself back very fast. Not to mention that door-to-door speed is better, we no longer have parking issues, parking fees nor parking tickets. And I get free sports twice a day, so I could ditch the gym bill.
And oil changes, and gas, and parking tickets, and insurance...
You’d have to be a right mug to pay over 6 grand for that 😂
Eh…
I was looking at the design, and it reminds me of a chariot. Neat to see a different take on the box bike compared to Urban Arrow and others. They did several things differently, and I think it turned out alright, even if this type of ebike isn’t your thing, it’s nice to see a less expensive alternative out there. What Ebikes interest you most Deirdre?