The REM (Reseau Express Metropolitain)
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- In our first video produced based on patron votes we get into the biggest, boldest and most high stakes project since Jean Drapeau swung his dick around town. Montreal explodes back onto the transit infrastructure scene after decades of dormancy with style. Will the REM change the city for the better, or like it's mega-project predecessors will it again scare away politicians for decades? Can Montreal afford the liability involved in keeping corrupt engineering giant SNC Lavalin afloat? Will Laval ever get a seat at the transit table?
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Dude, for such a small channel, your videos are really high quality, love how the information is presented.
I second that
I hope it doesn’t end up like London( England)’s crossrail where the infrastructure is complete but it’s grand opening gets delayed for an eternity
Honestly you are very interesting to understand how " anglo quebec" thinks and reflect on our common place in Canada.
I'm frankly not ideologically aligned with you, but I do believe that the majority of Franco here could easily share your reflexions if they were formulated a little bit differently.
Anyway I like your channel and keep up the good work.
Hit me up if you ever want to debate on Quebec politics ! As a mean and bad separatist, I'll honestly be very interested to have an other perspective on Québec and montreal political life ! You can reach me at michel.larcher@hotmail.com and I'll honestly be very interested and I would feel privileged / honoured to have the opportunity to instruct myself to your concerns and opinions about Québec futures and actual political life.
Cheers. I'm always wondering what my ideology is. I can only really consistently support "more and better democracy" but everything else is up in the air.
I'll do an event or something in 2021 so we can all meet up hopefully.
@@PaigeMTL That could be would be really cool!
Yep, it's an ugly clusterfuck!
Found you because of r/Montreal
Great job on these videos, hope you get your subscribers count up and I'll share this one, it's worth it.
@@pthirteen mean, but complimentary, I LOVE IT!
Your French is hilarious man. Great content!
Amazing video. I live in the West Island. People are complaining about how ugly the structure is off the highway. I keep responding to them. With an oh my I can’t believe it will block off all those tacky business buildings we drive by and not give two shits about!
The most recent complaints are about parking. Now that I can see becoming a future problem.
Can't wait, the REM is going to completely change the city
came here for the R.E.M. music, left with knowledge of infrastructure project
Hey rephil! I thought that I heard you laughing
I really hope they can catch up to Vancouver's skytrain system. Let me just say the subway system in Montreal is utter shit. From YVR airport you can hop on a Skytrain and get to any part of Vancouver. Just tap your credit card you dont even need to buy tickets. YUL airport still shuttles people back and forth on shitty buses.
Love this!!! So true! My dad worked at SNC-Lavalin for 40-ish years! Disgusting!
Awesome video dude! (poor Laval...)
I'm from Vancouver watching some (Aussie?) discuss a proposed local transportation system across the country. Yeah I don't have a punchline. This isn't even a funny comment.
Glad to hear it. This kind of stuff goes on in any large city so it should be handy wherever you are.
The REM will be much appreciated when it goes into operation. The rolling stock will be the time-tested Alstom Metropolis that 22 cities worldwide are currently using. Recently, I was fortunate to ride the six-carriage version of the Metropolis trains running between Chatswood and Tallawong in Australia and can report a very smooth, quiet ride (just watch you don't whack your head on those swinging, hard-plastic ceiling handles!). Initially, Montreal's trains will not consist of six carriages but presumably could be configured that way at some point in the future should the need arise--so long as every station platform is prepared in advance to accommodate them--unlike the Metro Blue Line where many of its station platforms were not completed to accept the full length trains running on the Green, Orange, and Yellow Lines. Hopefully, when the Blue line is extended further east to Anjou (and vitally westward from the current Snowdon terminus as well!), its platforms will be extended for full-length trains.
The concerns often seem to relate to cold winter and heavy snow issues. I didn't look into it yet, but is this trainset weather proven in a similar climate?
@@PaigeMTL They used to run surface trams in Montreal back in the day with far more primitive technology. So we know light rail can work in Montreal fimbulwinters. Of course, back in the day the solution with "hire a bunch of hungry low-wage scrubs with shovels to clear the tracks"...
The problems with the Confederation Line cars in Ottawa are directly due to a terrible choice of vehicle: 100% low floor trams being used on a grade-separated system at near light-metro frequencies. All low floor trams are notorious for being hard on rails. The Metropolis cars are at least all high-floor with much better clearances.
Did you just start the REM video with an R.E.M vignette playing in the background? And now you're also misquoting that same song! THAT'S IT! I'm subscribing!
I thought that I heard you laughing
I live for this impersonation of bourgeois people
Never thought I would enjoy a guy talking about a transit system lmao. I love it !
You're why I do this. Things in the world improve just a little bit each time a new person gets informed and thinking about what the government is up to.
Quality video, subscribed!
30 km REM expansion to Montreal Nord and Pointe-aux-Trembles being announced tomorrow!! :))
Great video. Very well put together, edited, etc. Also you really know your stuff! I've been following Montreal urban development for about a decade (Mtlurb lols). There are so many videos out there that gloss over the facts and history and you nailed it.
Wow - another awesome, take-no-prisoners and slay the sacred cows approach video. I LOVE it! Especially your well-deserved crack at SNC-Lavalin and the politicians in its Hydra grip. Man, you should be trending in Canada with these excellent videos. Keep going. Compared to some of the crap videos with hundreds of thousands of views, yours are way more deserving of that viewership. I am guessing it is just a matter of time. Only small suggestion - change your thumbnails (not always red) - please don't hate me - just want you to attract more subscribers which you so richly deserve.
Awesome lovingly made video! 🌟
« Laval, City of the Future! » No, seriously, that was its slogan.
Looking forward to an Expo 67 video! I was 3 and I was there! I still have my passport!
If you need info about that and any other 60s and 70s guides and maps, find a way to contact me.
I actually borrowed a map and a passport from the in-laws to do that video one day
@Paige Saunders Looking forward to it! 👍🏼
I have the official guide too. So cheesy and rose-coloured brave new world... and it was for us!
Memories of eating soapy stuff at the day care center 😝. Especially taking the little monorail (“Can we go around again pleeeeease!”).
This is really fantastic work
great video! OMG really high quality content didn't expected it!
Is it me, or does the confederation line in Ottawa look alot like Los Santos' public transit tram in GTA V?
Hold up there's a channel dedicated to Montreal I wasn't aware of? IMMEDIATE SUBSCRIPTION.
Also: Laval's logo is a big L for a reason.
quite interesting.
although i am also from the region but french speaking,
i have a hard time following your speech,
you talk fast.
please take no offense, the content is otherwise very captivating.
we can t count on the local news to present things in an objective way.
C'est mon accent, j'ai ecris des sous-titres sur tout la nouvelles videos. J'espère que cela aide.
Wow. This popped in my recommendations and am glad it did. So tongue-in-cheek... and clever. Subbed and watching all your vids as a future-resident of the city. :)
Yep there was a huge hole in my You-Tube watching too due to lack of Montreal stuff. Mind you I live on the other side of the world but hey! I quite like Montreal (And Paige was born were I am)
Charming! This channel deserves more subs
wow, superb research! very interesting !
Thanks Cap! The OG
You and @
RMTransit need to do a video together :)
This is a good call, I'll hit them up
Amazing channel!
AMAZING QUALITY CONTENT please make more youre insanely good.
Great video. Subscribed.
"Le train de ciel" great name
Haha I grew up in st Anne's (st Anne de bellevue) and totally thought I'd be an old man before I saw a "metro" in the West Island :P
Good stuff! There was definitely a Montreal shaped hole in my infotainement. Subscribed.
Me too! That's why I started doing this actually, the city is too interesting to not have people documenting this stuff everywhere.
This was a high quality video!
Everyone can agree that those seats in the new trains looks nowhere near as an improvement compared to the trains that ran on the Deux-Montagne line.
Yes, it'd be surprising if a metro system had seats like the heavy commuter rail that exist now, which is frankly, from another era. But if you live in Deux-Montagnes you're going from 9 departures during rush hour to 54, with a total capacity of 42,120 passengers rather than 17,100. You'll have plenty of room and can just show up to the air conditioned station any time of day with no planning required to get in or out of town.
@@PaigeMTL I'm not a train/public transit enthusiast but seeing Montreal build a system that can rival car in commute with with more departure than EXO train line just make me happy as a Montrealer.
Laval who? 🤔
Suggestion: focus more on the project (REM) and a bit less on sensationalist politics / theories / rumours surrounding the project (most have been rehashed over and over and over by the media since 2016...). This sounds like a fantastic project for Montreal but you seemed to have missed large parts of it. Suggest watching the RMTransit channel for a more nuanced analysis of MTL issues - he does a great breakdown of the REM.
Further - Dorval extension is already being planned. The CDPQ is negotiating with the city and federal on costing the extension and will be announced in the coming weeks.
Suggestion, make your own videos? I'm not your dancing monkey, my videos will almost always have a political angle and I'll bash corruption until we stop voting for it.
Just pointing out some of the glaring facts you have missed while focusing more on the controversies and politics of an otherwise highly technical project that will benefit millions in Montréal.
- Dorval extension is already in the works for the past 10 months
- SNC Lavalin has nothing to do with this project so not sure why you had to tie that with REM - they were expressly excluded from the bidding process since the start as per the RFP/RFI process
It’s really just a friendly suggestion to help make the channel better by partnering with other content producers that are also covering Montréal. Not every issue has to be hashed our with a partisan view.
@@guldukat2453 pause the video here: ua-cam.com/video/wzgVw4eVTuE/v-deo.html (SNC in both consortium)
And here: ua-cam.com/video/wzgVw4eVTuE/v-deo.html (Article from Feb talking about the dithering on the Dorval extension)
When someone makes a video they choose what to focus on, you're not complaining about 5 minutes of me teasing Laval and talking about Expo 67 so you probably just don't like me addressing Quebec's systemic corruption problem. But, if we don't fight the corruption at every opportunity, we'll just end up with another infrastructure drought. In the 1970's corruption bled the city so dry that we struggled to even maintain what had been built.
This is a democracy and economics channel. If you want to look at subway maps and talk about proposed trainsets and routes head on over to @RMTransit or @NovaBUSFan who won't spend half their videos kicking Quebecs business and political class in the balls. Ball kicking is unfortunately my deal.
@@PaigeMTL
Your focus on SNC is disproportionate to the reality.
I've dealt with engineering firms in BC, AB, Ont and the Maritimes. We had much better results for the buck with SNC! (It varies obviously depending on the type of work req'd).
You just seem to pick the media bias against SNC, and carry it without due analysis. I'm surprised that your contacts with the REM people didn't give you a more balanced picture.
Now again, your are a SUPERB communicator and your videos are in the top 1% for quality (beside this one sided SNC bashing).
That's all assuming this thing actually works and is completed on time. Don't underestimate the total incompetence of Quebec construction. There is noting wrong with Laval. It's cheaper to live and it's quiet. I've been living here for 47 years. Montreal just doesn't give a shit about anything off Island.
The difficulty with companies like SNC is that they all behave like that, at least in terms of getting infrastructure contracts in developing countries. As such, you don't want to penalize them too much, since that won't stop corruption, but merely corruption that benefits our own country. The Libs were right in trying to get a deferred prosecution agreement, which is the norm for such cases everywhere in the developed world, including in the US, the UK and Australia. Had SNC gone under, Montreal would have lost a head office as well as 10 000 lucrative jobs in engineering etc, of which we unfortunately have too few.
What's with the political talking points? Strong disagree. Our country is a land of oligopolies because of this sort of thinking and the disservice that our political class does in perpetuating it.
(4000 BTW) highly sought after employees from Quebec will be picked up immediately by all the companies that suddenly have SNCs contracts. If our government had any vision they would have prosecuted SNC while greenlighting domestically engineered projects to let the sector restructure around a new set of companies without loss of talent. Corruption is an acid on a democracy, how many jobs is trusting you society, institutions and political processes worth?
@@PaigeMTL Unfortunetaly not a political talking point. Make no mistake, I have no love for SNC, and corruption is indeed a blight. The issue I have is that ultimately, hurting the company means hurting ourselves. If anything, this whole situation has not been looked at from the correct angle, which would have been to revisit our laws that pertain to piercing the corporate veil.
Certainly, it is not the average office worker, engineer or secretary that participated in corruption, but directors and executives. These people should have been fined, jailed etc., and in cases such as these it should be much easier to seize their phones and computers to gather evidence. But it still doesn't seem fair to me that ordinary folks should be impacted because their top management decided to party in Lybia.
Another political aspect to consider is that the feds have often made the choice not to act in respect to other large Canadian companies engaged in dubious practices abroad. For instance, the worst offender would be Barrick Gold, a company with a documented history of doing the following: mass rape and other violent abuses, hundreds of murders, forcible eviction and mass arson, bribery, conspiracy, forgery, money-laundering, tax-evasion, and environmental damage. If this sounds like whatboutism, it is. However, the feds can hardly appear to act tough on Quebec companies when do nothing about those headquartered in Toronto.
What's a Laval ⸮
Well, when one urban area doesn't love another urban area
@@PaigeMTL Ho right, I'm sorry I'm from Montréal and I never heard that.
Damn very informative. Thumbs up
Laval gets so much hate, I don't get it. It's not like it's Longueuil... That being said, that logo deserves all the hate!
The REM is a long-overdue upgrade to Montreal's existing transit system and fortunately I have already ridden on the very same rolling stock--the Alstom Metropolis--which is already in service in 22 cities worldwide including the new Sydney Metro where in January 2020 I rode the initial completed line from Chatswood to Tallawong--northern suburbs connecting with Sydney's CBD. Choosing an off-peak time with very few passengers aboard, I had a pleasant, speedy experience testing out the lateral seating and walk-through carriages from end to end of the 6-carriage trains. The interior noise level was relatively low as well. One gripe: the hard plastic strap-hangers bang into the heads of tall people like myself if you don't pay attention. As is normally to be expected with new rail networks, there had been some early teething issues and glitches with the Sydney Metro such as stuck doors and power outages that brought trains to a halt, and this will no doubt occur with the REM as well. The length of Montreal's REM trains will alternate between 4 and 2 carriages depending on the time of day. See the relevant links below:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alstom_Metropolis
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Metro
ua-cam.com/video/m2vge90NYVI/v-deo.html - Opening Day May 26, 2019
Fingers crossed it can handle the climate, seems to be the biggest nail-biter after watching the Ottawa rollout
"J'ai peur du bruit". Cette dame n'a telle jamais pris le train?
Les réunions publiques sont étranges/drole, juste comme "Parks & Rec"
Great video! super informative! .. and.. screw laval.
I doubt trains will be empty on the airport branch, the Canada Line has been very successful and is a similar project. Also with CDPQ involved in it.
You can have fuller trains if they're infrequent enough, or emptier ones if they're very frequent. Having just an airport on the line isn't going to be as easy to optimise as having an additional railway station and township.
@@PaigeMTL True but they could connect the airport line to the existing EXO line just south of it.
What do you make of the zone labelled quote-unquote Montreal Agglomeration Centre/Downtown illustrated in the REM's published map of zones their trains'll travel through?
What? Link?
Outside of a script I've never seen someone write vocal quotation marks before.
Oh yeah..à la Bye-bye-The-Pointe..study that hotly unique, fleshily pink-coloured zone under their 3rd bullet: rem.info/en/news/6-maps-help-understand-rem . I in turn sprung the news onto some community advocacy group of the Pointe's at their AGM around the time of the REM builders' Webpage, but their daft identity politics cast suspicion on my (mere!!) intentions..and this for an area known for bearing the country's most militant district :pfft: A metropolitan downtown if you will? Conjuring a superficially-layered jurisdiction is typically fucking mobby.
What would Oscar Wilde be like if he was a train guy? Now we know.
One sec, just gotta put on my 19th century translator.
Well sir, I have a hunch you may have provided an undesired presence at that gathering. Perhaps your elocution to the fairer sex contained quote-unquote masculine explanations of the situation that combined with your cadence they found weary?
I assume that it is labled "Centre-Ville Agglomeration" because the REM project is an Agglomeration project, not a STM/Ville de Montreal project and they want to push that it's about the whole region.
Highly relevant to this video: ua-cam.com/video/S37u9lPGmas/v-deo.html
Cleverly sanctioning fancifulness..arbiters' galore
The REM project will be very similar to the Eglinton Crosstown project in Toronto in that both will be late and over budget.
For the same reasons.
UNIONS.
Decades of research shows megaprojects are almost always late and over budget. These massive projects across the world always have a lot more that goes wrong than a convenient idiologically driven single issue. In fact the reason they fail to deliver is likely to be due to the number of DIFFERENT things that can go wrong.
@@PaigeMTL "In fact the reason they fail to deliver is likely to be due to the number of DIFFERENT things that can go wrong."
Undoubtedly.
With UNION membership inefficiency being on top of that list.
If unions were to be banned from Canada, would you like to place a small wager that a great deal more of these massive projects would somehow be completed on time and on budget?
But, of course, the day of that happening will probably be the same day we see a Tyrannosaur Rex traipsing through the streets of Montreal or Toronto.
Unions are what brought you workplace safety, the weekend, and elevated people from the working class to the middle class. SMH
Brilliant very clever definitely worth the watch
I wish it was never driverless.
The conversion of the Deux Montagnes line was annooucend with impossible design (need to have grade separation of tracks/residential streets). Note that this is now the last section being done because they haven't figured out how to do this. And the streets needed to access the stations may need to be closed off because no level crossings needed and REM didn't factor the cost of having that portion elevated.
The line to West island is purely political. Its stations are inaccessible. Original design didn't realize the tracks woudl be going THROUGH the Home Depot store in Pointe Claire which was built partly over the the old right of way. (they have had to redesign the path with an earlier crossing of highway 40 and higher bridge over St-Jean that is elevated over the 40). The station won't be at Fairview where buses go, but west of it, on a one way service road.
The original station near Sources was litterally in the backyard between 2 wharehouses about half a km east of Sources. They have since moved it to be near Sources. (more $$$).
The original design had the Kirklamd station on the service road for the 40, so no way to come back. And the track litterally went through the St-Charles overpass since they needed to be low enough to reach the station. That station was moved to the small shopping alls west of the Ch Ste Marie overpasses.
The south shore statiosn in the middle of the highways are great and easily accessible to pedestrias and cyclists. At least they extended it to the Panama bus interchange (not on original design).
So your statement that it will be quicker than cars is only applicable to oce you are at the train station. Getting to the train stations , because of their placement, will mae trip much longer.
In my case, getting from where I am near the 211 to that station west of Fairview will take me longer than getting downtown on th 211 bus.
The REM project was pitched with dishonesty and whofully under estimated the total budget that will be needed. They initially promised it woudl be profitable. But then got Montreal to promise to tear down any public transit that didn't lead to the REM stations. So in my case, while they will maintain the eixsting CR train service, they cam't improve it. And the 211 expess buss dowtown is now seen as competitor (since all of west island is included in the "exclusivity" contract and may go away, even though the REM is onluy assessible to people who live north of the highway 40.
Not only are they forcing STM to wreck public transit to force more people onto their trains, but they have stopped pretending this would be profitable and got the QC governmentr to agree to find any deficits so CDPQ doesn't lose money on it.
And I haven't even gotten into the reliability of driverless trains in snow on elevated tracks. This will make the Ottawa LRT look good.
Oh, and while the Deux Montagnes lines is closed for over 2 years (2 years for the south portion and then work begins on St-Laurent to 2 montagnes), when that line was copletely rebuilt in 1994-1995, it was closed weekends and one full summer. New tracks, new catenaries, new power stations (and new voltage). Essentially the same work being done for REM to run their toy trains.
Wow, you're the MVP in this comments section. I knew about some of these gaffs but not all of them, so they're going into my REM file!
I think that mega projects always have a bunch of failures around them. I see it on that Olympic stadium spectrum, where I can tolerate maybe... 2 Olympic stadiums? I'm sure I'll be circling back to this subject in a year or so to see what has gone wrong, and figure out if it's acceptable or not.
Your video is really interresting. Thanks.
I'm a little disapointed with your coverage on SNC.
FWIW, the current clusterf*ck in Ottawa has nothing to do with SNC-Lavallin. The rolling stock and the signaling eqpt is... Alstom! Nothing to do with SNC.
You forgot to mention about the SNC clusterf*ck in the new pont Champlain!
Oh wait, it was a phenomenal success, sorry.
About the REM, SNC is doing an excellent job. I guess you don't have any contacts or communications with the REM people or CDPQ - Infra. Please check with them before your displaced allusions.
You focus on SNC is bizarre. When Canadians succeed in completely torpedo-ing SNC, you'll miss them big time - once you are stuck to deal with "honest" US engr firms... You really have no idea what we're dealing with in this business.
Can't agree with you there and I find that position painful to hear from a fellow Canadian. Our Democracy and reputation in the world is more important than any corporation. There are quite a few other engineering firms in Canada to take those contracts and hire those engineers.
@@PaigeMTL
Canadian engineering firms of the scale of SNC, you are kidding right? American (and other countries) will take over the big contracts, and it will cost us way more - not less. You'll be in for a big surprise, really.
About SNC and the OC Transpo LRT, check your facts first before putting the clusterf*ck on SNC.
And why are you pretending that the delay of the REM southshore branch is due to SNC?? Bizarre again...
(FWIW, If you can't reach CPDQ Infra, then as another poster mentionned, MTLURB has more factual info...)
Again, you have no idea what we're dealing with in this business.
I've worked in BC, ON, and NS. Those engineering firms, ya, right. SNC is not the worst, far from it. Its only problem is being Québécois...
Now, 90% of your video is indeed SUPERB! Really enjoyed watching, well made.
And you are an excellent communicator.
Yeah, disagree, and have counter points. But I have to get back to editing videos.
Thanks for saying nice things though, I don't imagine I'll be talking about SNC a lot so most future vids won't be as irritating for you :)