I don't think "Strange New Worlds" would've ever happened if Anson Mount hadn't been so perfect as Pike and if there hadn't been such excellent chemistry between Pike, Number One, and Spock. From the moment he first appeared as the character, he just FELT like Pike. I like all the "Star Trek" shows (to varying degrees), but I'm looking forward to "Strange New Worlds" more than I have for any new "Star Trek" in many, many years.
@ C. Scott Davis EXACTLY! You are absolutely right!!! With Anson Mount came CHARISMA+++ It seemed as if he caused everyone on Discovery to suddenly have charisma! It was amazing. I watched a few Discovery episodes the next season but that was it. Yes, I too eagerly await Strange New Worlds; they kept pushing it further and further out and I wondered if it would EVER debut.
We/Us is the reason for Strange New Worlds. Anson Mount stepped into this role with magnificent aplomb. I predict SNW turns out to be the jewel in the ST crown👌
I have to agree, I was pretty down with Picard but there is just something about the execution that always misses for me. But when I saw the concept behind Strange New Worlds I thought... so, it's just Star Trek then? Exploration and seeing cool new stuff? Yeah, that's what I'm here for.
My favorite payoff starts in TNG season 2 Samaritan Snare where Captain Picard talks about getting into a fight with some Nausicaans, including laughing when he was stabbed. Fast forward to season 6 Tapestry when we get to see it happen.
I think Dark Page is probably Majel Barret's finest hour as Lwaxana. For the most part her character was rather obnoxious, but in this one (and I think Half a Life), she really stands out as a character.
@@FiXato Agree, she is much more complex than we first are meant to give her credit for. Low key fell in love with "Stacey's Mom" after that episode. 😅
I remember when Worf etc are cast back to the original Enterprise with Kirk etc where, upon seeing the 'other' Klingons, Worf was asked why they were different, only to respond he didn't want to talk about it. I found the way in which the Klingons lost their cranial ridges in Enterprise to be quite enlightening and an appropriate explanation.
Ok... here is my opinion about the klingons cranial ridges or lack of. Here, on Earth, we have different races. Now basically we all look alike but skin colors and some other features are apparently different. The creators of ST could have used something like this. Say that smoothed headed klingons come from one part of their planet and the ridged ones from another part OR the differences could be 2 different klingon planets. I think the creators did too much overthinking with this . Didn't have to be this complicated!
One error in your section about Moriarty, you mention that “Ship In A Bottle” is the last, to date episode to refer to Dr. Pulaski, that’s not correct. The last reference to Pulaski is actually in Voyager’s finale “Endgame”, where you can barely hear at one point, while future Janeway is visiting future Tuvok, someone pages “Dr. Pulaski” over the hospital PA.
You forgot the evil alternate universe episode from TOS leading to multiple episodes of DS9, and pretty much leading to a tradition of each series doing an "evil episode" where everyone on the ship is a bad guy and they like to torture ppl.
I suspect another payoff of "Space Seed" will be forthcoming. After this video was produced, one of the final (if not final) episode of "Picard" season two shows Adam Soong, devastated by his failure to stop the Europa mission, removing from a drawer a manila folder that is conspicuously marked "Kahn Project".
The Gorn: introduced in Arena, never seen again until Mirror Universe Enterprise (and switched from a rubber suit to CGI) and then finally shown on Lower Decks.
I guess Maddox accomplished his original goal after all. Also the storyline about Wolf's father and the duras family was an awesome plot line that ran through multiple episodes.
The one you missed was how Worf's son Alexander was brought back in the Deep Space Nine episode "Sons and Daughters". We get to see what Alexander has been doing and how he is still trying to get his father's approval
Would like to see Finnegan (Shore Leave) reintroduced as a major character. That wild prankster personality he had could surely crop up now and then to make interesting stories.
One Discovery book reveals that Finnegan’s double was Emperor Georgiou’s enforcer, who liked to bludgeon her enemies with his club. Georgiou is very curious to meet the prime universe’s Finnegan in a prison
I love your work. Thanks for putting together all that you do! Have you ever approached the ST producers about a cameo role? You ought to. Fans would go wild.
If you play Star Trek Online you could expand this list extensively, many missions are connected to Trek episodes or use them as a backstory especially the ones involving time travel.
The Mog clan gets exiled over a lie that protects the ruling clan, then Gowron, who re-enstates the Mog family name goes back on his word in order to protect the Duras as a peace offering to unite the clans. So, the only means left for Worf to reclaim his family's honor is to kill Gowron.
“…until, years later, a new writer, a new director, and a new audience pick up and create something beautiful.” This is exactly why I love fan fiction.
Picard butchered the measure of a man. They didn't add to it they decided to retcon it. And I will never watch Picard because of that. Androids are not slaves but the writers made them slaves for their plot.
IMDB says The Cage was first aired Aug 19, 1992. I saw it in High School back in the 70's on a local networks. Star Trek was on multiple local channels, some US, some Canadian, and aired 28 times per week. Around the sametime I met Gene in Seattle when he was promoting a new ST series. This was pre STTMP.
I don't think that Picard S1 can count as a "payoff" to Measure of a Man when it explicitly CONTRADICTS the end of Measure of a Man. It's less of a payoff and more of a dumb writers' room going "hey, if we include this character all the Trekkites will love it!"
Hey, what about The Trouble With Tribbles?? That paid off beautifully on Deep Space Nine! * POUT * 7:42 FEH. Way to ruin a really good joke. 10:07 Um, only the WHOLE episode was unknown. Everybody knew the story and what went on in it, because it was used for the two-parter, "The Menagerie". 11:15 No. FIFTY-FIVE years later. Arithmetic, dude.
@@Alex-ye9pg That episode pisses me off to no end. They spend the whole episode moralizing about suicide and death and then "kill" Kern but kept the body alive (with a new face and a DNA re-sequence). How the hell is that any different than letting him kill himself?
As one of the earliest die hard fans of Star Trek (the first season of TOS was aired past my bedtime, but on Christmas vacation 1966, I was allowed to watch it. That episode was Shore Leave, and I was hooked. I love this video! Brought back some wonderful memories and explained a couple of things I had never understood, so thank you!
Don't forget the section 31 spinoff with the Terran Emperor Georgiou exploring the darker elements from the Mirror Universe transplanted in the Prime universe!
I’d like to see TAS “reimagined”, as it were. The voice acting and writing were fine on that show. It’s Filmation’s limited animation (even more limited than usual, and that’s saying something) that lets the show down. I’d like to see it re-animated (although not in the Jeffrey Combs sense). My preference would be to see it done in a style similar to the series, but with more motion and expression (and no flesh coloured eyes), although CGI would be fine, as long as it’s good enough. There’s a real opportunity there to reintroduce some great stories back into the franchise!
We have a new Kirk. We have a new Spock. We have Pike and Number One. We have L'Rell. We need someone to recast Kor, Koloth, and Kang. And perhaps, also, even Commodore Decker. You do have a point.
I honestly would love to see TOS get an update as well. Keep the voices, but recreate the show visually. I'd love to see what the show could have been with a better budget and with modern technology.
I've had this exact same thought many times over, and I completely agree. A modern/retro CGI ST:TAS would be WAY cool, and a great way to lend more legitimacy to the overlooked series!
I don't buy the Klingon's in Original series being hybreds. Captain kirk could fight them but he couldn't find Khan. So if anything, the current Klingons are the hybreds because they are stronger than the originals.
While it made humans like Khan stronger, it also weakened the Klingons, making them easier to fight. In Enterprise, we literally see the Klingons with brow ridges up until they become hybrids.
The Barzan on Disco isnt because of something "smart" it's literally because the show makers give zero shots about canon or logic and just take anything that they feel superficially fits thier current whims and jam it into the shit show.
If they find a way for Archer, Pike, Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Saru and Rios to all meet, that'd be TV breaking history. NX01, 1701, 1701-A, 1701-D/E, Defiant, Voyager, Discovery and Stargazer. A story arc dealing in the Temporal Cold War. Star Trek Temporal-Verse, as it were
One thing about rewatching TAS. James Doohan voicing essentially all minor characters is really distracting. Yesteryear is clearly the premier episode, but dear lord couldn't they find someone else to voice the Guardian?
I remember reading he had given up acting some time ago (not sure how true that is). It's a shame as the character really turned around, both Maddox and Data end up as friends and write to each other.
@@tbnone2501 those writers seem so hatefilled, they couldnt wait to brutally murder icheb in particular becuase the actor said some reprehensible things
You don't find it a pity that he managed to create his slave race? I mean it was part of the whole turn around to prove Data had rights and Picard writers pissed it away....like so much else.
Q knew about the "time paradox" that the Borg caused during the NX-01 incident. (They sent a message that would reach the Delta Quadrant around the 24th century.) One of the few responsibilities that the Q actually have is to keep the universe somewhat stable and reduce these paradoxes to a minimum. Q knew that the Borg were on the way, so that was the real reason why he was being a pain in the ass dragging the Enterprise-D to meet the cube. THAT CUBE WAS SENT AFTER RECEIVING THE SIGNAL FROM THE NX-01 INCIDENT. Of course, this is not how most Q would have handled the situation. But it gets deeper. In my personal head cannon, after the Enterprise-D made "first contact" with the Borg. Some history nerd at Starfleet thought this sounded "very familiar" and found the NX-01 incident and Starfleet was able to find more remnants in Antarctica (North Pole?) to study. This is why Starfleet was able to respond so quickly. However, they then realized that something actually happened during the Vulcan First Contact also. Captain Archer had heard Zepham Cochran's make a drunken admission about time travelers that was later dismissed as "he's drunk". Suddenly, 24th century Starfleet starts to look much more carefully at that talk, and realizes that they need to classify everything. They figure out that a future Picard will be involved and thinks "if we can prevent the time travel incident, the Borg will have no reason to come here." This is the real reason they send the Enterprise-E (dispite being the absolute best ship in the Fleet to protect Earth) out to guard the Neutral Zone. But they keep it classified, not telling anyone outside of the senior Admiralty. ESPECIALLY NOT Captain Picard because of the risk of causing more time Paradoxes. (The the head of the "Department of Temporal Affairs mutters under his breath that Picard is worse than Kirk. LOL)
Star Trek TNG's Moriarty episodes were brilliant - well thanks to the actor playing him! Brilliant performance by that man as Holme's nemesis, Dr. Moriarty!!
The only problem I have with the Star Trek: Picard "Payoff's" are they come at the expense of killing off so many well known and loved characters. I don't want them to keep bringing characters back into the series moving forward if all they're being utilized for is a quick nod to other shows before writing off their characters for poor plot developments.
And ST:TNG "Dark Page" also gave us a young Kirsten Dunst. Who looks just like the older Kristen Dunst just...smaller😂. And wait...LESLIE JORDAN WAS IN STAR TREK??? HOW DID I MISS THAT??? I KNEW I LOVED HIM FOR SOME REASON❤❤. MAN, HE IS MISSED!!
Having "Grown-Up" watching Buster Crab as Flash Gordon, circa 1960's, I'm content with even the slightest inconsistencies mentioned. I do enjoy these comments so please keep them coming....
Wasn't Sulu introduced as someone having ESP to some degree or level, but nothing that I CAN REMEMBER ever came of it and I don't believe that there was any explanation... Dig into a list like that, main characters and lost details! 🤔🤨🤨🤨
I never really understood what the big problem was about Bashir being not "normal", since the whole TNG S2E7 episode (Unnatural Selection) was about Enhanced DNA developments and nobody had a problem with it than.
Hated Maddox. It wasn't just because he didn't have the technological know-how to replicate a positronic matrix (at the time), but he almost took a perverse delight in taking Data apart. Not for more knowledge, but because his own short-comings. And his creepy leering he gave Data early on. I haven't seen "Picard".
The eugenic super people and Klingon brow ridges is my favorite 'payoff' storylines. In the 'middle', we get Worf confronted about the Klingons on K-7...
The Best of Both Worlds is a disappointing miss on this list. Not only is it a two-part connecting seasons 3 & 4, it pays out with Picards massive morale dilemma with “I, Hugh” in season 5. Then it continues to pay out with “Descent” which is another two parter connecting episode 6 & 7 with Huge’s individuality essentially rendering the Borg a disorganized mob, ruled by Lore. And finally it connects through to the movie First Contact, for without the aforementioned events, there would not have been a Borg queen. This may be the most obvious one for a list such as this.
I don't care what literary trickery the showrunners wish to use to explain things away, the Kinglons look exactly the same throughout Star Trek...their perceived differences to viewers only exist because of increased budgets and advancement in make up effects. Despite both DS9 and Enterprise trying to create convoluted cannon explanations, neartly every fan I speak to calls bullshit, and accepts that a show made in the 1960's was not going to look like big budget motion pictures or TV series made decades later. It is insulting to suggest we even need an explanation. We didn't ask for one, and it implies that our sophistication is in question by the writers. Good writting would have seen Worf appear in original Klingon make-up for "The Trouble with Tribbles" (once they arive in the past) and not have any of the characters notice the difference, nagating the need for the "we don't talk about it" line.
Actually, The Cage has never aired. It was first released on VHS in 1986 for Star Trek's 20th anniversary. It was B&W and colour footage stitched together because no colour print existed. A colour negative was found a few years later and was restored and included on dvd and Blu ray releases.
Great video. Thanks for the share. The notion of episodes that “pay off” later is an interesting one. I particularly enjoy episodes that take place _during_ moments or missions previously depicted on screen. No, not like so-called “clip shows” (Riker’s TNG “Shades of Grey”) but like the DS9 episode “Trials & Tribblations” which nailed this concept. The VOY episode “Relativity” did it too sorta where Seven of Nine dropped in and out of past Voyager moments. Chakotay did this too during “Shattered”. Most recently of course SNW has shown a variation on this theme with an alternate take on TOS “Balance of Terror”. There are probably other examples. A new show could embrace this concept by only showing known Trek moments but from new perspectives and fresh characters. I’m hopeful the advent of virtual production/stage technology and projects like the Roddenberry Archive will make it easier to bring back all the starship and space locations regularly depicted in all the shows so they can be revisited on screen without having to physically reconstruct everything.
Ok, the head ridges are explained, now we just need an explanation for why the swapped Klingon and Romulan cultural factors around between the Original tv series run and the movies, that then led into everything later. Why did Klingons go from sneaky infiltrators and saboteurs to a straightforward warrior race? Why did Romulans go from Roman inspired military culture to the infiltrators, saboteurs, and political agitators?
Not sure how you can mention Kurn and not mention that he has his memory wiped after Gowron expels him from the Empire due to Worf refusing to join the Empire in the war against Cardassia.
what conteniuation your talking about, they are different characters in deferenat timeline. the new Star Trek is an abomination it has a horrible track record in inconsistency and the sotry narrative is written by a novist at best. you cant say paid off way later
All good until you Mention Doctor Pulaski and good in the same breath. Sorry my own opinion but was glad to see they had solved the gates McFadden pay dispute by the end of season 2.
I don't think "Strange New Worlds" would've ever happened if Anson Mount hadn't been so perfect as Pike and if there hadn't been such excellent chemistry between Pike, Number One, and Spock. From the moment he first appeared as the character, he just FELT like Pike. I like all the "Star Trek" shows (to varying degrees), but I'm looking forward to "Strange New Worlds" more than I have for any new "Star Trek" in many, many years.
@ C. Scott Davis EXACTLY! You are absolutely right!!! With Anson Mount came CHARISMA+++ It seemed as if he caused everyone on Discovery to suddenly have charisma! It was amazing. I watched a few Discovery episodes the next season but that was it. Yes, I too eagerly await Strange New Worlds; they kept pushing it further and further out and I wondered if it would EVER debut.
For me, it was when he asked the entire bridge crew's names and immediately remembered them all.
We/Us is the reason for Strange New Worlds. Anson Mount stepped into this role with magnificent aplomb. I predict SNW turns out to be the jewel in the ST crown👌
I have to agree, I was pretty down with Picard but there is just something about the execution that always misses for me. But when I saw the concept behind Strange New Worlds I thought... so, it's just Star Trek then? Exploration and seeing cool new stuff? Yeah, that's what I'm here for.
@@DanielSolis and the humor of his academy results
My favorite payoff starts in TNG season 2 Samaritan Snare where Captain Picard talks about getting into a fight with some Nausicaans, including laughing when he was stabbed. Fast forward to season 6 Tapestry when we get to see it happen.
Yes!
And we got to see WHY he laughed...it was an amazing payoff
@@bradwolf07 I never thought of that wow
"Troubles with tribbles"! While the DS9 episode did not affect a future episode, it did affect a PAST episode! It's sooo good
Yes! That's a pretty big oversight.
Lower Decks episode "Kayshon, his eyes open" is also a very obvious nod to the Next Generation episode "Darmok".
TrekCulture, his eyes closed.
@@UnChannelDuVulpineX When the walls fell.
I think Dark Page is probably Majel Barret's finest hour as Lwaxana. For the most part her character was rather obnoxious, but in this one (and I think Half a Life), she really stands out as a character.
Half a Life was great indeed; first episode that made me appreciate her. IMHO she also had some good scenes with Odo in DS9.
Majel deserved to be number one. She was a brilliant actress 🙌🏼💪🏼🙏🏼🖖🏼
@@FiXato Agree, she is much more complex than we first are meant to give her credit for. Low key fell in love with "Stacey's Mom" after that episode. 😅
"For every Julian Bashir, there is always a Khan Noonian Singh waiting in the wings."
I remember when Worf etc are cast back to the original Enterprise with Kirk etc where, upon seeing the 'other' Klingons, Worf was asked why they were different, only to respond he didn't want to talk about it.
I found the way in which the Klingons lost their cranial ridges in Enterprise to be quite enlightening and an appropriate explanation.
Ok... here is my opinion about the klingons cranial ridges or lack of. Here, on Earth, we have different races. Now basically we all look alike but skin colors and some other features are apparently different. The creators of ST could have used something like this. Say that smoothed headed klingons come from one part of their planet and the ridged ones from another part OR the differences could be 2 different klingon planets. I think the creators did too much overthinking with this . Didn't have to be this complicated!
One error in your section about Moriarty, you mention that “Ship In A Bottle” is the last, to date episode to refer to Dr. Pulaski, that’s not correct. The last reference to Pulaski is actually in Voyager’s finale “Endgame”, where you can barely hear at one point, while future Janeway is visiting future Tuvok, someone pages “Dr. Pulaski” over the hospital PA.
Over 20 years, I never caught that reference or even heard someone mention it. I'm going to watch endgame now lol
I hope your pocket protector matches your coke bottle glasses.
@@Vesnicie Mine does!
A true sweaty neckbeard.
Eesh, why are you people insulting this guy? He’s doing what the video you clicked on and enjoyed did, only better.
You forgot the evil alternate universe episode from TOS leading to multiple episodes of DS9, and pretty much leading to a tradition of each series doing an "evil episode" where everyone on the ship is a bad guy and they like to torture ppl.
I suspect another payoff of "Space Seed" will be forthcoming. After this video was produced, one of the final (if not final) episode of "Picard" season two shows Adam Soong, devastated by his failure to stop the Europa mission, removing from a drawer a manila folder that is conspicuously marked "Kahn Project".
Star Trek Discovery is trash, and I don't consider it canon.
The Gorn: introduced in Arena, never seen again until Mirror Universe Enterprise (and switched from a rubber suit to CGI) and then finally shown on Lower Decks.
Gorn but not forgotten
@@tetravega567 Argh! (I do love puns!)
Gorn was in animated 1970's series
I refuse to acknowledge Discovery as cannon.
Its all a nightmare spock had when he ate too much vulcan taco bell
I guess Maddox accomplished his original goal after all.
Also the storyline about Wolf's father and the duras family was an awesome plot line that ran through multiple episodes.
The one you missed was how Worf's son Alexander was brought back in the Deep Space Nine episode "Sons and Daughters". We get to see what Alexander has been doing and how he is still trying to get his father's approval
I think it would be better if we forget Alexander, he is more whiny and annoying than Wesley
@@candle86 Well.... he is Worf's kid so whiny, annoying and entitled does fit.
This is the best Trek review/commentary channel. Thank you!
Would like to see Finnegan (Shore Leave) reintroduced as a major character.
That wild prankster personality he had could surely crop up now and then to make interesting stories.
They are introducing young Kirk in Strange New Worlds. It would be a great cal back if they had Finnegan and him as rivals.
One Discovery book reveals that Finnegan’s double was Emperor Georgiou’s enforcer, who liked to bludgeon her enemies with his club. Georgiou is very curious to meet the prime universe’s Finnegan in a prison
Loved this concept, I would think that an episode just focusing on the eugenics war/fallout would be cool to see.
I didn't know Leslie Jordan was on Star Trek. Also, Doyle's estate is as bad as Disney.
I love your boundless enthusiasm for ST in all its iterations - this is obviously more than "just a job" to you! Live long and prosper Seán!
Well said! Sean is amazing.
@04:18 Or the writers were lazy and just didn't bother to do their fucking homework... again.
I love your work. Thanks for putting together all that you do! Have you ever approached the ST producers about a cameo role? You ought to. Fans would go wild.
If you play Star Trek Online you could expand this list extensively, many missions are connected to Trek episodes or use them as a backstory especially the ones involving time travel.
Agreed, but I don't think ST:Online is considered Alpha canon
@@mrrobotreads Oh, its *definitely* considered Beta.
The Mog clan gets exiled over a lie that protects the ruling clan, then Gowron, who re-enstates the Mog family name goes back on his word in order to protect the Duras as a peace offering to unite the clans. So, the only means left for Worf to reclaim his family's honor is to kill Gowron.
“…until, years later, a new writer, a new director, and a new audience pick up and create something beautiful.”
This is exactly why I love fan fiction.
or shit all over it
I do t know if I would consider anything having to do with the abortion they was Picard Season one a success.
Picard butchered the measure of a man.
They didn't add to it they decided to retcon it. And I will never watch Picard because of that.
Androids are not slaves but the writers made them slaves for their plot.
Yes, thank you. Cannot believe anyone who actually enjoyed tng for what it intended could like picard or discovery, juet terrible terrible writing
What about howbCandyman looses himself so to speak in DS9? Another really emotional and great episode,
His name is Tony Todd, just in case you forgot.
@@notsyzagts7967 I can never remember his name either. :(
I only refer to him as Candyman.
IMDB says The Cage was first aired Aug 19, 1992. I saw it in High School back in the 70's on a local networks. Star Trek was on multiple local channels, some US, some Canadian, and aired 28 times per week. Around the sametime I met Gene in Seattle when he was promoting a new ST series. This was pre STTMP.
You might be thinking about "The Menagerie", which was a two-parter. It had scenes from "The Cage".
I don't think that Picard S1 can count as a "payoff" to Measure of a Man when it explicitly CONTRADICTS the end of Measure of a Man. It's less of a payoff and more of a dumb writers' room going "hey, if we include this character all the Trekkites will love it!"
Hey, what about The Trouble With Tribbles?? That paid off beautifully on Deep Space Nine! * POUT *
7:42 FEH. Way to ruin a really good joke.
10:07 Um, only the WHOLE episode was unknown. Everybody knew the story and what went on in it, because it was used for the two-parter, "The Menagerie".
11:15 No. FIFTY-FIVE years later. Arithmetic, dude.
Worf's brother, Kern, was such s badass. I really liked what he added to the show.
I loved him too. He was a great character to have around. His mind wipe never sat well with me, I wish they had done something else.
@@Alex-ye9pg That episode pisses me off to no end. They spend the whole episode moralizing about suicide and death and then "kill" Kern but kept the body alive (with a new face and a DNA re-sequence). How the hell is that any different than letting him kill himself?
As one of the earliest die hard fans of Star Trek (the first season of TOS was aired past my bedtime, but on Christmas vacation 1966, I was allowed to watch it. That episode was Shore Leave, and I was hooked.
I love this video! Brought back some wonderful memories and explained a couple of things I had never understood, so thank you!
Don't forget the section 31 spinoff with the Terran Emperor Georgiou exploring the darker elements from the Mirror Universe transplanted in the Prime universe!
I prefer Worf to O'Brien RE TOS Klingon makeup: "We do not discuss it (the TMP Klingon redesign) with outsiders."
This is garbage! There has been no canon ST produced since 2005. Stop trying to mix TOS-ENT Trek with the crap modern stuff.
What about Kor, Koloth, and Kang?
That was so beautiful, but the biggest missing link of payoffs is WOLF 359, Locutus and The Sisko
I can't believe you forgot The Borg, cos they wore supposed to be just in one episode, but spinned into movie and other series
Very Nice Video Sean. Thank you.
I’d like to see TAS “reimagined”, as it were. The voice acting and writing were fine on that show. It’s Filmation’s limited animation (even more limited than usual, and that’s saying something) that lets the show down. I’d like to see it re-animated (although not in the Jeffrey Combs sense). My preference would be to see it done in a style similar to the series, but with more motion and expression (and no flesh coloured eyes), although CGI would be fine, as long as it’s good enough. There’s a real opportunity there to reintroduce some great stories back into the franchise!
Hey, if 80s Barbara Crampton can be included, I'd be 100% on board!
We have a new Kirk. We have a new Spock.
We have Pike and Number One.
We have L'Rell.
We need someone to recast Kor, Koloth, and Kang.
And perhaps, also, even Commodore Decker.
You do have a point.
I honestly would love to see TOS get an update as well. Keep the voices, but recreate the show visually. I'd love to see what the show could have been with a better budget and with modern technology.
@@AlexGreeneHypnotist No we don't the Audio is fine, just redo the Episodes with new animation
I've had this exact same thought many times over, and I completely agree. A modern/retro CGI ST:TAS would be WAY cool, and a great way to lend more legitimacy to the overlooked series!
Picard is a terrible disgrace to Star Trek, Gene Roddenberry would've treated it as unimaginative fan faction were he alive.
Sure, these are great payoffs....in the same way shitting yourself inside out is the payoff for eating taco-bell after a night of binge drinking.
Star Trek Discovery, I'll never be able to get back all of those hours I wasted watching that nonsense.
Forgot the Traveler and Crusher. Cameo at the last episode of Picard...
Just for what its worth, none of the idiotic shows being produced now are canonical. Ignore them.
I'd like to see Finnegan return, now that would be well worth seeing!
They are introducing young Kirk in Strange New Worlds. It would be a great call back if they had Finnegan and him as rivals.
How can they not include "Mirror Mirror" as its own entry. So many episodes spawned from that one. Much more applicable than "Elementary Dear Data".
To put together a video like this, you really need to know your Trek.
fsck lower decks. That's an animated series that just needs to disappear.
In the Typhon Pact novel series, Riker and Troi named their daughter after Tasha Yar.
Except later is junk. And its trash kurtssman wrting.
Daniel Davis also played Niles on the Nanny
Yes, we know!
No. What they did with Bruce Maddox‘s character was a farce.
No tribbles? Trekkies are rioting! 😂
I’d love to see Daniel Davis as Dr. Moriarity once more, as he figures out he’s trapped in another holodeck universe.
Lower Decks needs to do this.
Enterprise was the final real Star trek, everythinh after this bs.
I don't buy the Klingon's in Original series being hybreds. Captain kirk could fight them but he couldn't find Khan. So if anything, the current Klingons are the hybreds because they are stronger than the originals.
While it made humans like Khan stronger, it also weakened the Klingons, making them easier to fight. In Enterprise, we literally see the Klingons with brow ridges up until they become hybrids.
The Barzan on Disco isnt because of something "smart" it's literally because the show makers give zero shots about canon or logic and just take anything that they feel superficially fits thier current whims and jam it into the shit show.
Thank you, finally someone is sensible and can see this, seems like these writers acticely dislike star trek
If they find a way for Archer, Pike, Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Saru and Rios to all meet, that'd be TV breaking history. NX01, 1701, 1701-A, 1701-D/E, Defiant, Voyager, Discovery and Stargazer. A story arc dealing in the Temporal Cold War. Star Trek Temporal-Verse, as it were
No love for Captain Freeman?
Perhaps in the sense that it would be historically bad.
I just want to say I hate Star Trek Discovery.
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I was today years old when I realized the DS9 episode was "Tacking Into the Wind".....I was always thinking it was Tracking 🤦
I wonder if the hilarious "eugenics virus erased Klingon ridges" thing is referenced in Lower Decks.
The Trek universe(s) really has gotten too complicated for me....
Its not worth watching anything after enterprise, its all overly emotional drivel
One thing about rewatching TAS. James Doohan voicing essentially all minor characters is really distracting. Yesteryear is clearly the premier episode, but dear lord couldn't they find someone else to voice the Guardian?
It was cheaper to pay Jimmy and Majel to do multiple voices than it was to hire additional actors.
About number 10: I only find it a pitty that the makers did not hire the original Bruce Maddox actor for the ST Picard episode.
I remember reading he had given up acting some time ago (not sure how true that is). It's a shame as the character really turned around, both Maddox and Data end up as friends and write to each other.
@@Alex-ye9pg and then in Picard he dies horribly, just like Hugh, Icheb….
@@tbnone2501 those writers seem so hatefilled, they couldnt wait to brutally murder icheb in particular becuase the actor said some reprehensible things
You don't find it a pity that he managed to create his slave race? I mean it was part of the whole turn around to prove Data had rights and Picard writers pissed it away....like so much else.
Q knew about the "time paradox" that the Borg caused during the NX-01 incident. (They sent a message that would reach the Delta Quadrant around the 24th century.)
One of the few responsibilities that the Q actually have is to keep the universe somewhat stable and reduce these paradoxes to a minimum. Q knew that the Borg were on the way, so that was the real reason why he was being a pain in the ass dragging the Enterprise-D to meet the cube. THAT CUBE WAS SENT AFTER RECEIVING THE SIGNAL FROM THE NX-01 INCIDENT.
Of course, this is not how most Q would have handled the situation.
But it gets deeper. In my personal head cannon, after the Enterprise-D made "first contact" with the Borg. Some history nerd at Starfleet thought this sounded "very familiar" and found the NX-01 incident and Starfleet was able to find more remnants in Antarctica (North Pole?) to study.
This is why Starfleet was able to respond so quickly. However, they then realized that something actually happened during the Vulcan First Contact also. Captain Archer had heard Zepham Cochran's make a drunken admission about time travelers that was later dismissed as "he's drunk". Suddenly, 24th century Starfleet starts to look much more carefully at that talk, and realizes that they need to classify everything. They figure out that a future Picard will be involved and thinks "if we can prevent the time travel incident, the Borg will have no reason to come here."
This is the real reason they send the Enterprise-E (dispite being the absolute best ship in the Fleet to protect Earth) out to guard the Neutral Zone. But they keep it classified, not telling anyone outside of the senior Admiralty. ESPECIALLY NOT Captain Picard because of the risk of causing more time Paradoxes.
(The the head of the "Department of Temporal Affairs mutters under his breath that Picard is worse than Kirk. LOL)
Star Trek TNG's Moriarty episodes were brilliant - well thanks to the actor playing him! Brilliant performance by that man as Holme's nemesis, Dr. Moriarty!!
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The only problem I have with the Star Trek: Picard "Payoff's" are they come at the expense of killing off so many well known and loved characters. I don't want them to keep bringing characters back into the series moving forward if all they're being utilized for is a quick nod to other shows before writing off their characters for poor plot developments.
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Kurtzman Trek hence Discovery & Picard IS NOT CANNON its NOT STAR TREK!!
And ST:TNG "Dark Page" also gave us a young Kirsten Dunst. Who looks just like the older Kristen Dunst just...smaller😂. And wait...LESLIE JORDAN WAS IN STAR TREK??? HOW DID I MISS THAT??? I KNEW I LOVED HIM FOR SOME REASON❤❤. MAN, HE IS MISSED!!
great vid . you and Elie do a great job making these keep them coming
Would have been better if the original actor for maddox reprised his role I found the actor they chose didnt work for me
Having "Grown-Up" watching Buster Crab as Flash Gordon, circa 1960's, I'm content with even the slightest inconsistencies mentioned. I do enjoy these comments so please keep them coming....
Wasn't Sulu introduced as someone having ESP to some degree or level, but nothing that I CAN REMEMBER ever came of it and I don't believe that there was any explanation... Dig into a list like that, main characters and lost details! 🤔🤨🤨🤨
I never really understood what the big problem was about Bashir being not "normal", since the whole TNG S2E7 episode (Unnatural Selection) was about Enhanced DNA developments and nobody had a problem with it than.
Hated Maddox. It wasn't just because he didn't have the technological know-how to replicate a positronic matrix (at the time), but he almost took a perverse delight in taking Data apart. Not for more knowledge, but because his own short-comings. And his creepy leering he gave Data early on. I haven't seen "Picard".
The eugenic super people and Klingon brow ridges is my favorite 'payoff' storylines. In the 'middle', we get Worf confronted about the Klingons on K-7...
The Best of Both Worlds is a disappointing miss on this list. Not only is it a two-part connecting seasons 3 & 4, it pays out with Picards massive morale dilemma with “I, Hugh” in season 5. Then it continues to pay out with “Descent” which is another two parter connecting episode 6 & 7 with Huge’s individuality essentially rendering the Borg a disorganized mob, ruled by Lore. And finally it connects through to the movie First Contact, for without the aforementioned events, there would not have been a Borg queen. This may be the most obvious one for a list such as this.
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I don't care what literary trickery the showrunners wish to use to explain things away, the Kinglons look exactly the same throughout Star Trek...their perceived differences to viewers only exist because of increased budgets and advancement in make up effects.
Despite both DS9 and Enterprise trying to create convoluted cannon explanations, neartly every fan I speak to calls bullshit, and accepts that a show made in the 1960's was not going to look like big budget motion pictures or TV series made decades later.
It is insulting to suggest we even need an explanation. We didn't ask for one, and it implies that our sophistication is in question by the writers. Good writting would have seen Worf appear in original Klingon make-up for "The Trouble with Tribbles" (once they arive in the past) and not have any of the characters notice the difference, nagating the need for the "we don't talk about it" line.
Actually, The Cage has never aired. It was first released on VHS in 1986 for Star Trek's 20th anniversary. It was B&W and colour footage stitched together because no colour print existed. A colour negative was found a few years later and was restored and included on dvd and Blu ray releases.
Great video. Thanks for the share. The notion of episodes that “pay off” later is an interesting one.
I particularly enjoy episodes that take place _during_ moments or missions previously depicted on screen. No, not like so-called “clip shows” (Riker’s TNG “Shades of Grey”) but like the DS9 episode “Trials & Tribblations” which nailed this concept. The VOY episode “Relativity” did it too sorta where Seven of Nine dropped in and out of past Voyager moments. Chakotay did this too during “Shattered”. Most recently of course SNW has shown a variation on this theme with an alternate take on TOS “Balance of Terror”. There are probably other examples.
A new show could embrace this concept by only showing known Trek moments but from new perspectives and fresh characters.
I’m hopeful the advent of virtual production/stage technology and projects like the Roddenberry Archive will make it easier to bring back all the starship and space locations regularly depicted in all the shows so they can be revisited on screen without having to physically reconstruct everything.
Can't believe you didn't cover the Voyager ark about the silver blood demon-class planet replication of Voyager & it's crew.
Ok, the head ridges are explained, now we just need an explanation for why the swapped Klingon and Romulan cultural factors around between the Original tv series run and the movies, that then led into everything later. Why did Klingons go from sneaky infiltrators and saboteurs to a straightforward warrior race? Why did Romulans go from Roman inspired military culture to the infiltrators, saboteurs, and political agitators?
Nice job, however you lost me on a couple of'm because some stuff is still outa my reach on Pay Tv which is expensive Downunda and beyond my budget.
Not sure how you can mention Kurn and not mention that he has his memory wiped after Gowron expels him from the Empire due to Worf refusing to join the Empire in the war against Cardassia.
5:47 - If TAS was so poor, how do you explain the decades-long shadow campaign by the Star Trek writers to get it recanonized?
what conteniuation your talking about, they are different characters in deferenat timeline. the new Star Trek is an abomination it has a horrible track record in inconsistency and the sotry narrative is written by a novist at best. you cant say paid off way later
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Yah couldn't spare a micro second to tell us about the author of The Infinite Vulcan? Hmmmmmm? *cough* Walter Koenig *cough*
I'm sure you know this, but "... Dear Data" pays off again in the latest episode of Picard.
If not already stated t was a Klingon Colony that "mutated a" a large number of Klingons NOT the whole race
I love Anson Mount. I'm 40 and straight and even I get lost in his eyes. And that jawline. And "Hit it". Love me some Pike.
Great video but there’s a reference to Dr Pulaski after Ship in a Bottle, shes briefly announced in Endgame part one
All good until you Mention Doctor Pulaski and good in the same breath. Sorry my own opinion but was glad to see they had solved the gates McFadden pay dispute by the end of season 2.
I had no idea Pike in the wheelchair after severe injury was imagined all that time ago. O.O