Palmeiras vs Corinthians | Paulista Derby: Brazil's Biggest Rivalry? (Roots of the Rivalry)
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- Brazil's biggest Rivalry? Palmeiras vs Corinthians, The Derby Paulista. In this Roots of the Rivalry video we’ll look at arguably Brazil’s biggest rivalry: Corinthians vs Palmeiras! In this video we’ll look at the origins of the rivalry, the origins and history of Corinthians, the origins and history of Palmeiras (including when they were Palestra Italia), and hear from Clebão, Chico and Renato Abreu!
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FUN FACT: There are 2 metro stations in opposite sides in São Paulo City. PALMEIRAS Barra Funda (from the west side) X CORINTHIANS Itaquera (from the east side). These two stations are next to their Stadiums. How you can imagine, it really was a problem when in days of matches, because the Torcidas Organizadas(something similar, but also different in some aspects, to the European Ultras or Argentinian Barra Bravas), use to fight in the Metro. So, the São Paulo city government decide to enforce a law that prohibit matches from Palmeiras, Corinthians or São Paulo(they also love brawling) at the same day in the city. Also, when they play against each other, only the Home fans can go to the stadium.
Nice video! Some contributions, from a Palmeiras supporter:
1) This topic about some founders left Corinthians to found Palestra Italia is not a true, it is like a myth. There is no Corinthians' founders among Palmeiras' founders. Just check on official websites and you can make sure of it. This myth started because some players who have played at Corinthians, have played at Palmeiras in the earlier years;
2) Another myth is about Corinthians is the 'people team' and Palmeiras is rich. Palmeiras have been founded by italian workers in São Paulo city, just like Corinthians have been founded by workers. In the beggining, both has almost the same origin, of course respecting some details. I think this was the roots of this rivalry. Palmeiras had some support by Matarazzo Family at the time, is true, but it was concepted by italian workers. Palmeiras' money came from nowadays when Palmeiras organized itselft to be a strong club financially;
3) Palestra Italia (Palmeiras) helped Palestra Italia (Cruzeiro) to be founded. Actually, Palestra Italia (Palmeiras) had inspired Palestra Italia (Cruzeiro), as so that the Palestra Italia's Statute (Palmeiras) was used by Palestra Italia (Cruzeiro) to be your own statute as a model to be followed. But there is no friendship between two clubs anymore, after a huge fight between two main firms of these clubs in 1988. Look at this link ua-cam.com/video/677Q5FoaVwM/v-deo.html . After Mancha Verde's president (Palmeiras' biggest firm) being killed some days before the match, Cruzeiro's fans mocked about his death on Palmeiras' stadium, in a match between two clubs. Mancha Verde didn't accepted that and almost killed Cruzeiro's fans who were disrespectful. After this episode, there wasn't any friendship between old italian clubs.
The problem with Corinthians and Palmeiras rivalry is that they have a lot of other rivals at the same state and different states that dilutes the animosity between the two clubs. There is also São Paulo and Santos in the same state and Flamengo now is a strong rival. This is like in Manchester where Rio Ferdinand says Liverpool is a bigger rival than Manchester City.
The rivalry with the most irrational hatred for each other I think is Grêmio and Internacional. They are from the same city and doesn't have other rivals beside each other so they can't bear each other.
A rivalidade com Santos e são Paulo não é relevante para os times protagonistas do Derby, e a rivalidade não se esfria nem um pouco por conta desses 2, basta vc ver a opinião de canais corinthianos e palmeirenses a respeito disso
Nah... You are wrong. Even if there is other teams, Palmeiras considers Corinthians our biggest rivals so as Corinthians considers us their biggest rivals. There is no dilution... Even the Metro Station from east to west regions of Sao Paulo City are named with this two clubs as opposite sides (Corinthians-Itaquera from East Side and Palmeiras-Barra Funda to the West Side)
@@TieRo69 Correct! Corinthians considers Palmeiras our great rival! No one's care for São Paulo FC
My great-grandfather played for Sao Paulo
The rivalry between palmeiras and Corinthians doesn’t get diluted by São Paulo and santos, especially now that they’re so bad
Correction: O'Higgins de Rancagua is probably named after Bernardo O'Higgins, one of Chile's founding fathers.
In fact none of the clubs he mentions are named that way as an homage to English clubs or because it was in fashion. Liverpool was named that way because the kids who founded it had just learned about that city in geography class and Newell's is named that way because it was started by former students of a school, the Colegio Newell's, much like Old Etonians. However, the old custom did exist; Boca Juniors and Montevideo Wanderers are two clubs with English sounding names that have them just because it sounded cool back then...
He could have picked Rangers or Everton, but he went for the irish name.
@@d.d.7720
Thinks The rest of The U.K &
Republic of Ireland is all England typical of people from Canada &
The U.S.A. if it's not in
North America most of them dont have a clue where it actually is in reality.
Finally another roots of rivalry it's been a while!
Brazil is the home of football, the paradise of the beautiful game.
England is the home of football, as per this very video.
@@grrhmaadulyaa7857 the English invented it , the Brazilians perfected it.
Man i was waiting for this video since i watch first Roots of the Rivalry
The combination of research, creativity, clarity, humour and chillness really makes Rabona one of the funest and most interesting channels on all YT. Really appreciate the content Adrian!
Thanks Ben, I really do appreciate you taking the time to drop some positivity in the comments.❤
@@RabonaTV
The "bourgeoisie" club is São Paulo F.C. Palestra Italia consolidate itself in terms of popularity by being the italian working class club and after Palestra became Palmeiras in 1942 it growed to the be the third most popular club in Brasil until the late 90's.
Essa rivalidade será eterna.
Woohoo finally a Brazilian one
This is the best rivalry in Brazil! My team Corinthians, against Palmeiras, love watching the rivalry games, and finally glad that this video was made
É irmandade mesmo, precisamos um do outro pra ter o tamanho que temos! E foi de 4! E quem tem menos tem 1 ! Hahahaha abraço!
@Weslei Nothingface curinthias tem estádio roubado e representa os anos em que a corrupção e a bandidagem era o certo no Brasil. Honestamente o curinthians representa a fome, a doença e a praga. Curinthians = covid
@Weslei Nothingface e copinha é campeonato infantil, quem tem orgulho em ter isso tinha q ter orgulho em dever mais dinheiro que seria destinado pra saúde de um país inteiro. Ah sim isso é curinthians. Fala sério cara ser curinthiano deveria ser time, prefiro não ganhar nada a representar a impunidade e a morte
GreNal é MUITO maior que esse classiquinho
@@Rubelplys grenal já decidiu semifinal de Libertadores?
I’ve been waiting for this derby documentary Adrian! - Tactical manager’s editor right here 👍🏽🟢
Please, do a LISBON ROOTS OF THE RIVALRIE: SPORTING-BENFICA! THE SEGUNDA CIRCULAR DERBY DESERVES A VIDEO!!!!
He did one, but wasn't happy with it. I watched and it was great imho. But hopefully he'll remake it!!
@@rodrigod.p.serrano6046 I hope he remakes it then!
Um Brazilian and been following The Chanel for a good while now, dint expect this one at all. Thanks for showing some love for The Brazilian football. We aprecciate It.
Have you done one for kaizer Chiefs vs Orlando pirates in South Africa, would be interesting for you to do 👆🏽
NEEDED!!! PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW!!!!
Nigerian here but as a big fan of the PSL, we neeeed to see this
So I am central European I very much love the sport of football or in English or in America what you guys call soccer.
I will say without any hesitation that some of the world's best football players in the world's best football players in the world come from the country of Brazil one of my favourite soccer clubs in the world on a International level come from Brazil the Corinthians!!!!
I've always appreciated football on a more local level and I feel that local soccer clubs are some of the most interesting life experiences that you can experience.
So I have to soccer clubs that I love the most when is Legia Warsaw Which in the case of the country of Holand is the best soccer club in the country and has been systematically number one for many years now.
On a International scale I love Brazil I love South America in general but Brazil in particular and the Corinthians soccer club to be very specific.
When I watch the FIFA World Cup and team Brazil is playing I will only root for them I will be a fan only of team Brazil because some of the world's best players in the world come from Brazil.
And to be honest in very Blunt about it the most entertaining games that I have ever watched was when team Brazil wipe the floor of any team that they come across.
So I guess this is my way of sending love and respect to the country of Brazil I love your culture I love your people and I love how you guys play football it is truly amazing and thank you for this amazing life experience.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING BRAZILIAN CLUB FOOTBALL THE ATTENTION IT DESERVES!
Amazing video
Avanti Palestra!
4x0 hahahahahah
CHUPA GAMBÁ
AQUI É PALMEIRAS PORRAAA
DALHE PALESTRA💚💚💚
4X0
Quer que eu coloque a música do Mundial em inglês ou PTBR?
@@elviscassemiro9139 inglês se for possível...👌
Sem mundial
Another great Roots. Been awhile. I still think the greatest rivalries have to have socio economic or cultural aspects with Buenos Aires (economic) and Glasgow (cultural) being two of the most well known. Still, love the Roots of the Rivalry episodes! Keep them coming
Futebol is brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷 Awesome colab with Tactical manager TV! I would like to see more of these videos in the near future
That's by far one of the biggest rivarly in the world. It began in the past sentiry without those teams
even playing against each other.
I am so happy you are talking about the Biggest Derby in the country as a Corinthians fan I always wanted a few of my favourite football UA-camrs to talk about this thank you Adrian really
I would love to speak more about the derby for anyone who is watching any doubts you have
Incredible work yet again from Rabona TV! Love the content.
I wanna see a porto and Benfica, roots of the rivalry video.
Great video, man! Just came to update the numbers for you. Yesterday Palmeiras destroyed Corinthians by 4-0, so now it’s 129 x 128 victories to Palmeiras ;)
+1 tie, 2-2
Vai Palmeiras 🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬
+3 kk
kkkkkkkkkkkk@@thomasmda
Here because of tactical manager TV 🟢🟢 awesome video! I have been waiting for something like this
*scoppia che la vittoria è nostra*
*AVANTI PALESTRA*
*PALMEIRAS MEU ÚNICO AMOR*
💚🇮🇹💚
NOSSO único amor 💚🐷💚
Incredible video ! Recognize the work that must have to be put into these!!
Great job Adrian! You have grown so much since I started watching, to think you just interviewed renato abreu about a derby he played in while a year ago you were only telling stories of news and speculating. Hats off, seriously!
Awesome video, as a Brazilian and a Palmeiras fan I really enjoyed it, Congrats!!!
I love your roots of the rivalry series please do more roots of the rivalry ❤️
I had to drop the like and the sub with this welcome form Kelbão! What a legend
Great content!!! Avanti Palestra!! 💚🤍
Awesome video man! I loveeeee tactical manager tv cause I’m a huge USMNT fan 😂
Great video! Love the guest speakers, please do more of these!
Biggest classico of Brazil and one the biggest in the world along with BocaxRiver BarçaxReal Madrid MunxLiverpool etc..this year theres a chance of a Corinthians x Palmeiras in the libertadores finals that would be the biggest game in the history of both teams!!! I hope this happens, it would be huge!!
3:03 That’s wrong, it’s called O’Higgins because the main guy from our independence was named O’Higgins. But we do have english named clubs, like Everton de Viña del Mar or Santiago Wanderers from Valparaiso (two rival clubs actually)
Also, that club is in the city of Rancagua, the capital of the region called: Región del Libertador Bernardo O’Higgins
Nice video adrian, love this series
Happy to see two of my favorite football UA-camrs collab💯
Great stuff man. I hope you do more South American rivalries someday.
My driver in Brazil is a member of Palmeiras.
These are some of my favorite vids you make man. Always excellent. A suggestion for another one if you would please consider a Kaiser Chiefs vs Orlando Pirates roots of the rivalry. South African football fans are extremely passionate and the history of these clubs are very interesting considering they are both in Soweto.
Another boss video bro.We appreciate ya.
Amazing video. Truly amazing.
I think we could also add that there were some opposing moments of local and national dominance between the two teams. I'd say that a moment of parity (at the top) between the two clubs would truly only come in the '90s and quite recently - in the modern era of football ranging from the '50s till today
Corinthians in the '50s
Palmeiras '60s and '70s
Corinthians in the '80s (kinda. Both were bad. Palmeiras worse)
Corinthians '00s
Add to that the major encounters during both clubs draughts (Corinthians from 1955-77 - with the mythological 74 Paulista final and the sad end of Rivelino's tenure at the team; Palmeiras 1976-93 at a final against Corinthians, winning 4-0), and the rivalry gets even bigger.
The class thing is real. It's an underlying cause, but it is something real. I'd say it never comes to a rhetorical forefront, but you can sense in the language of chaos between fans that it is acknowledged. Consider that some of these Italian families would later form the basic structure of São Paulo's middle class, and eventually, this middle class - some of them - would absorb the team identity of "defense" that is often connected to them. BTW, this is kind of a reproduction of the "colony" mentality that old Palestra Italia once had, that eventually wore off, and only kept the NOTION of defense of AN identity, not the national Italian identity. I do believe that a good chunk of Japanese and Arab communities would later adopt Palmeiras as a hometeam due to that.
Corinthians had this rhetoric of "the team of the people" for long, but after the population Boom of the '50-'70s due to internal migration (The biggest industrial hub of the country at the time), most of the poor migrant population that came to the city turned into Corinthians fans. Make no mistake, they have a HUGE demographic advantage. Massive. I'd say that their fanbase is larger than Flamengo, especially for not having "mixed" fans (Fans that root for a local team elsewhere in the country + one of the majors). Which is funny for they always had this economical disadvantage against Palmeiras until late '90s, early 2000s. A little bit of economic development, and a change of focus towards an internal market-consuming society, turned this demographic advantage into a massive corinthians economic boom. Until the horrible conundrum with their home stadium (BTW, they were kind of "homeless" for a long time), they were keeping a good administration of massive financial resources.
Another amazing RabonaTV video! In other news the sky is blue 😤
Legendary rivalry. Great video. Please more rivals!
Also: could you do a video on why football is such a religion-like phenomenon in South America to a point where they escalate hard on the pitch, fights and emotions. Would be interesting to know.
I swear to god i googled "greatest football players of all time" and found this video.
Great video dude!! and GO VERDÃO!!!
I like this guy from tactical manager tv. He knows what he's talking about
unexpected Liverpool (Montevideo) cameo, here's hoping someday you'll talk about Uruguayan football in a video! Maybe a roots of the rivalry Nacional - Peñarol, who knows...
Best series adrian 😤
Word class paulista Derby documentary. How were you able to bring many iconic names from south american soccer to your channel?
Came back after the 4x0
Came back after the tigre fodeu com os porco no mundial
@@soldado-fr2dr que dó melhor que cai pro Guarani do Paraguai duas vezes
@@Imperador-Vi Dói não ter mundial
@@loyalcorinthian1628 os caras se achando por causa que o Cássio virou Deus um
Dia, o o outro não conta pela falta de libertadores
Great video
Vai Corinthians!!! Best classic of Brazil
Gremio x Inter is a shout as well , appreciate you talking about Brazilian football
Tactical manager my G!
Waqaar !!
Peñarol and Nacional need to have a video
You sold me with Tactical TV when you showed their channel page which had Philadelphia Union soon to be legend, Brendan Aaronson.
very nice, cheers from Hortolandia, Sao Paulo
U should also make rotr about national teams (Argentina v Brazil or England v Germany) I feel like there has been videos about it but I wanna see your input
Coi lộc từ 2 bàn tay trắng đi lên thật sự ngưỡng mộ lộc ghê mãi ủng hộ lộc chúc lộc luôn phát triển trên con đường phía trước
could u do a look ahead on the copa libertadores final between santos and palmeiras please
A part of the story that is missed is why there was a team called Corinthians in England. In Scotland there was a team formed called Queens Park which had the majority of the Scotland team in it and therefore they played together every week and got comfortable with playing with each other. Scotland beat England in a lot of the early internationals because of this familiarity the players had built up. England decided they needed their own Queens Park team which is how Corinthians came to be formed and had most of the English team playing together each week what allowed then to become familiar with how each other played and England started to compete and beat Scotland
That team still exists, their name is now Corinthian-Casuals, a merger of amateur clubs Corinthian and Casuals, and they play in amateur divisions.
Palmeiras fan from Morocco🇲🇦🇲🇦💚💚
Nowhere near is as big or as long standing, but one that may be closer to home. Maybe a vid on the Cascadia cup rivalry between the Sounders, Timbers, and Whitecaps for and MLS themed roots vid.
Wonderful vid
Also we need one on Fiorentina vs Juventus. The most bitter teams in Europe.
Forza Violaaaaa!!!!!
Adrian on fire as usual ❤
I think that to simplify darbies in the city of São Paulo, it's easiest to refer to the "darby Paulista" as a triple way darby between Palmeiras, Corinthians, and São Paulo FC. While Palmeiras and Corinthians notoriously dislike each other, both see São Paulo as the enemy. Historically São Paulo has always been seen as the go-to middle and upper classes club. Basically, São Paulo is such a large city it supports three large clubs, all of which despise each other (though the different clashes are referred to by different names).
Which club do the poor citizens of sao Paulo support. I'm moving to sao Paulo next year. I'm from Manchester, uk
Corinthians is more associated with the power classes. Than the other two. Their also one of the only teams that stood for democracy against the dictatorship.
Corinthians is associated with the masses, Palmeiras with the middle class and São Paulo with the rich.
It's obviously not a rule, but it's roughly a good approximation.
Sao Paulo x Corinthians is named "Majestoso"(Majestic). Palmeiras x Sao Paulo is named "Choque-Rei"(King Clash). They are both important but its not the same as the Palmeiras x Corinthians, the only one "Derby Paulista" and its the biggest rivalry of the state of Sao Paulo.
do one for independiente and racing club have a history of rivalry
Thank you for making such a great research on these two teams! Cheers from Brazil and... LET'S GO, PALMEIRAS!!!!
Pameiras will win the libertadore this year! A Tactical Manager TV fan right here
Corinthians mano
Notification gang!
More ROTR videos I hope to see:
Derby della Lanterna *(Sampdoria - Genoa)*
Hamburg Derby *(St Pauli - HSV)*
Soweto Derby *(Kaiser Chiefs - Orlando Pirates)*
Galician Derby / _Derbi Galego_ *(Deportivo La Coruña - Celta Vigo)*
Great video, do FLAMENGO X VASCO next, nicknamed DERBY OF MILLIONS
Finally
One of the greatest classics in the world, Palmeiras x Corinthians
Would love a video on Santos and it’s history.
BOA!
Vai Corinthians
Please do a PSG vs Marseille roots of the rivalry next!
It's not even close. Inter and Gremio, Fla-Flu, none of them even approach it. When I lived there it was incredible what happened when they played. The stories I could tell...
Happy New year
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Please make video about the Yokohama Derby of J1 League. Between Yokohama.F. Marinos vs Yokohama FC
3 days later of the video, Palmeiras veat Corinthians for 4-0 in Allianz Parque (Palmeiras stadium) for Brazilian League
Bro could you please do a video on Gerrard's Rangers, they just beat Celtic and are leading the prem this season!
sweet new vid
More like these
Can you please do the Fla/Flu RotR? I thought you already did
Aqui é Palmeiras!!! Avanti Palestra 🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬
Oh you like my badge? I heard you can get them if you become a member of Rabona Tv :O
Dexter, are you taking over Rabona TV PR?😄
@@RabonaTV Yes
Palmeiras❤
First world Cup winner
@@_thiago6411 💚🇮🇹
A V A N T I P A L E S T R A
no club world cup
@@_thiago6411 lol, you won copa rio a friendly tournament get your facts straight
If you can, could you do a roots of the rivalry between Colo-Colo vs Club Universidad de Chile?
"Arranca-rabo". How to translate that? Hahahaha
"Agressiviness" doesn't do justice to it's beaty.
(It can be roughly translate as ripping out some tails)
Please do a Fla-Flu one!
How were you able to contact Chicão?
Do the Casablanca Derby (Wydad vs Raja)
Vai Corinthians ⚫⚪⚫🦅
Corinthians is Brazil's most hated team even with huge fan base.
The late 90s Corinthians had the sponsorship of Hicks- Muse which garnered them 2 national titles & a World Club Cup.
Brazil's biggest rivalry is the Gre-Nal. The gaucho rivalry almost equivalent to the Boca - River rivalry.
Please do the fk sarajevo vs zeljeznicar derby