improving Volume Profile, Market Profile, Auction Theory

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  • Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
  • Auction theory was a great theory for its time, but more recent research has refined our understanding of markets. We'll go into some backtesting, and how we can incorporate more recent research into our trading.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 37

  • @bearish_bull
    @bearish_bull Рік тому +3

    Coming from a student of market profile, I have to say the beginning hurt my feelings a bit but loved the entire piece of content, especially when we started talking about the walruses, lol no but I really do appreciate this. I’ve seen your other video you referenced but I’m going back to take a new gander with fresh eyes. Thanks for your time & great video 🫡🔌

  • @BASE5NYC
    @BASE5NYC 2 місяці тому

    Great theories. Very interesting to think about. - thanks

  • @mahdi8835
    @mahdi8835 Рік тому +2

    Hey Seth just discovered you on reddit today. Really appreciate the solid and quality content. Can you do a video about how what's behind and to interpret some patterns or "confluences" of technical indicators that a lot of people seem to teach here as being a sure thing.

  • @revamp2245
    @revamp2245 2 місяці тому

    Is that jigsaw on the monitors ? Is it any good ?

  • @SpeculatorSeth
    @SpeculatorSeth  Рік тому +3

    A walrus auction does sound kinda fun though.

    • @melissaellis1534
      @melissaellis1534 Рік тому

      Ok but is the walrus the item or the auctioneer?

    • @SpeculatorSeth
      @SpeculatorSeth  Рік тому

      ​@@melissaellis1534Both the auctioneer and the bidders. But not the item because I don't think Walruses are slaveholders.

  • @bnato8209
    @bnato8209 Рік тому

    Clicked the like button. Thanks Seth.

  • @francescodibello2380
    @francescodibello2380 Рік тому +1

    imo auction theory (and all the other theories like smc, price action, technical analysis and so on) are born as *an attempt* to rationalize how markets move and to help with building a framework that allows one to condense information, not really as a scientific explanation of why and how markets move (even though they are marketed like that). personally i use it just to gain a bit of context on the longer term, i certainly don't take a trade based on what the profile looks like. and i know a few traders that are way more experienced and way richer than me that use it, and from what i've seen, they all look at different things and none of them uses it the same way.
    so all of that was to say that i agree with you (and with empirical evidence lol) and the results of your backtest didn't really surprise me. what did pick my interest though, was all the explanation of metaorder execution towards the end of the video (also the topic of liquidity holes and how one with enough size could try to build one on purpose), could you provide some resources to dig deeper into the topic?

    • @SpeculatorSeth
      @SpeculatorSeth  Рік тому +1

      The study I was mainly referencing is here: arxiv.org/abs/1506.03758

  • @Webdebjeb710
    @Webdebjeb710 Рік тому

    May I suggest look into what happens when price opens in previous days value area.. this is where the previous days POC becomes significant;)

  • @TwiztedHumor
    @TwiztedHumor Рік тому

    Yup this is true!

  • @cumquatsarentsweet
    @cumquatsarentsweet 11 місяців тому

    wow Seth thx for this input ❤🙏🏼🧿🤲🏼🙋🏻‍♀️⚘🕊 greetings fellow earthling

  • @samarmascarenhas
    @samarmascarenhas 8 місяців тому

    Why I feel like that volume profile and TPO profiles are Super advanced tools of grand paas those can very well turn a Trending Market into a mean reverting rotation.

  • @chrisg4433
    @chrisg4433 7 місяців тому

    So meta orders get filled during a market repair inside low nodes…..

    • @SpeculatorSeth
      @SpeculatorSeth  7 місяців тому

      These areas usually end up being the POC / high volume nodes when they're done.

  • @burrmax2312
    @burrmax2312 Рік тому

    Hey man question,
    The first back testing data I would presume is going to not work as you’re using the va that is developing on an intra day but on the back test it would be the set VA. We can’t know what that’s going to be so surely it wouldn’t work when actually using it as it can change. Better would be to use the PD VA data surely? Interested to hear your thoughts

    • @burrmax2312
      @burrmax2312 Рік тому

      If you said previous day data I missed it and I apologise

    • @SpeculatorSeth
      @SpeculatorSeth  Рік тому +1

      @@burrmax2312 Exactly. The line that the indicator plots is the previous day's POC/VAH/VAL otherwise the indicator could see the future.
      However, we could potentially plot lines for current day's developing levels, but I have not seen a common setup for using that.

  • @user-bc6es8pc2p
    @user-bc6es8pc2p Рік тому

    can you show on a footprint chart what the "
    order flows look like"

  • @amorfati4096
    @amorfati4096 Рік тому

    7:08 why even backrest? , when price is future time preference for future returns based on present investment.

  • @amorfati4096
    @amorfati4096 Рік тому

    14:05 ludwig von mises who institutionalized Austrian school of economics, said in real life there is never optimum point of intersection reached ever.

  • @amorfati4096
    @amorfati4096 Рік тому

    Have you read thesis of tarun chordia and Richard roll? they seriously claim that
    liquidity is highly predictable, but there is no evidence
    of predictability on daily market returns...
    and predictive power of volatility is only marginal,

  • @CalebDiT
    @CalebDiT Рік тому

    I did a similar thing with CSVs that stored daily values of things so they could be grabbed for historical calculations. That's very useful when your computer is aging, as mine is.
    I wonder if your poke at "conspiracy theorists" relates to the view that the institutional traders/market makers do things such as stop hunting, etc. Mind you, there are criminal investigators who search for market manipulation, so if that's what you're getting at, it's really the doubters who are the so-called "conspiracy theorists."
    Anyway, interesting video. I was surprised to see you tackling these types of analysis given the (strong) opinions you've previously given regarding technical analysis. Maybe you've changed your mind?

    • @SpeculatorSeth
      @SpeculatorSeth  Рік тому

      The key is that you need to have something that predicts flows. Technical analysis doesn't do that very effectively. It's usually going to be something informational. If you're able to predict the flows then you can make a very good estimate of how it will play out using the technicals. There are stylized behaviors, but they aren't necessarily predictive.
      Anyways I have another backtest to show you guys in a few weeks that really effectively shows the problem with some recent fad strategies.

    • @CalebDiT
      @CalebDiT Рік тому

      ​@@SpeculatorSeth I think you're right. When you really dig into most indicators and strategies, they merely tell you what has happened. I'm inclined to say even many popular market theories fall apart upon further inspection (e.g. the auction theory you mentioned).
      Have you heard of Edward Thorp? He's a mathematician and former professor I think you'd like. Making money on the stock market by creating mathematical theories is something he's tackled and been very successful at.
      Here's a good interview:
      ua-cam.com/video/CNvz91Jyzbg/v-deo.html

  • @ArchimedeanEye
    @ArchimedeanEye 8 місяців тому

    Proving yet again... A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

  • @amirgooya
    @amirgooya Рік тому

    Very good content👍

  • @amorfati4096
    @amorfati4096 Рік тому

    19:52 value is by definition a subjective valuation of each individual, why there be any fairness in the value.. ? 5:50 that's why retail traders can never become quants. btw,its same Austrian economists carl menger, walras and bohm bawerk who have marginal-ism and subjective theory of value.

  • @kellerc73
    @kellerc73 Рік тому

    AI, write some code that does everything Seth's does but with slightly longer backtesting just to spite his hard work😂🤖"

  • @javida8085
    @javida8085 Рік тому

    please teach ninjascript from zero to expert.thanks

  • @dktrader1815
    @dktrader1815 Рік тому

    im going to scream. this video is too much for me

  • @rahulkumarchaurasiya7814
    @rahulkumarchaurasiya7814 11 місяців тому

    Volume profile is BS coz volume are highly manipulated things which can be manipulated

  • @melissaellis8910
    @melissaellis8910 Рік тому

    🤣

  • @axesantexmonero6628
    @axesantexmonero6628 2 місяці тому

    too much of your face to little of charts, pictures ,examples etc. etc. not an atractive class video

  • @nicholas5872
    @nicholas5872 Рік тому

    Seth, sincerely, i lost brain cells watching this video

  • @gerickoguemo
    @gerickoguemo Рік тому

    great tips! do you have a business e-mail or other social media account where i can shoot a message? thanks man