Been following your work since the late 00s , it’s great to see how far Esoteric has gone! Thanks for this one, I couldnt think of anyone better to hear about these new all important machines first fromz
I was expecting the cordless HLR to be the way forward and be engineered with the addition of a corded attachment for those longer usage time. Have you Todd notice significantly by a vast margin, greater efficiency when using the MkV over the HLR? Minus the swapping batteries aspect on the HLR.
@@keshoremooralie2376 I don't necessarily see it as greater efficiency. It has higher performance, and we know we can keep cranking all day long without stopping. This is based off of a very busy shop environment however, so it might not be as important to others.
My first gen LHR15 is still going strong (purchased from you of course way back when they launched) and I received my iBrid HLR15 last week and am getting ready to use it on a clients new land cruiser. These polishers have never had an issue and have gone head to head with my Flex rotary & XC3401. Next purchase is one of the iBrid minis for when I am coating bicycles. Awesome to see the new unit and thanks for all the great info through out the years!
Thanks for the video. Seems more incremental of an upgrade. I have the LHR15 MKII and it works just fine for me. I think the next frontier is gear-driven battery powered machines (e.g. like the Mille)
It's no different than cars...you can still have a blast and get great lap times with a C7 Corvette compared to a C8. Some people will want the latest and greatest, while some will be happy with where they're at.
While Rupes is very high quality, well balanced etc etc. I own an LHR15 MKII. I also own a harbor freight Hercules forced rotation and a porter cable. I reach for the Hercules even if it isn't as smooth and nice feeling. I get faster correction out of it. It is what it is.
Interesting observation as we've never found the forced rotation machines to be as effective as the dual action. Sales data also supports those findings as the DA machines outsell gear driven at least 200:1.
Wish they added a light and also plug in cord instead of static cord, never the less i can't wait for the Mark 5 coz Milwaukee, Flex, Mirka and others are gunning for the Rupes top spot.
I have em all and the 3inch Cordless unit is dialed but the new 15 or 21 battery unit isnt even close to ready and I had to send my new one in after one month. Get plug in if your doing all day polishing
I have the HLR15. Battery swap doesn't take that long and I don't really like dragging a cord around. But, I do wish Rupes would work on a cordless rotary. I have a Milwaukee cordless and the head is kind of bulky.
Really close on both accounts. The weight distribution is completely different on both machines as well since the cordless has the heavier battery pack at the back of the unit. It would then come down to personal preference on how you like the feel of each of them.
I am a user who has been using the ruppes mark v in Korea since last year. I will let you know the shortcomings of the mark V in advance. If the Velcro on the backup plate is too weak, I will inform you in advance that the pad is blown into the air due to heat and the painting of the vehicle is being damaged. Italy 🇮🇹 Headquarters will release the backup plate in the United States without modifying the backup plate even though they know this. If the problem of the backup plate is not solved, you can pay a lot of money to paint the vehicle, so I will let you know this problem.
If the velcro has worn on either the backing plate or pad on any machine...this will cause problems. It's really easy to test the adhesion level when you're putting the pad on the machine.
@@Esotericdetail Velcro is the machine's backing plate or pad, and the adhesive force is too weak. I bought the Mark V and used it for the first time, and the backing plate (Velcro) was worn out due to heat in the bonding part. It's not about wear, but it's too weak from the first note, so we have this problem and we can't completely solve the shutdown problem. Mark V Asia has been selling it as a demo version since a year ago, and even if we have this problem, we only sell it to Italian ruppes and won't solve the problem. Velcro issue or shutdown Velcro problem. I can't solve HLR completely, so I only think of RUPES or real sellers. Even if there is a post on UA-cam, Instagram, and Facebook, I want to promote new products and let the sales companies know that there is a problem like this. HLR.HLR 15.21V. There is a problem like these, which is an identical part, and only sales can't be solved by one, so general buyers and professional masts should know this. If the problem comes out, I don't want to solve it
That's crazy you mention this problem. I just left a similar comment, where I heard other markets have a problem with the new backing pads letting go of pads while in use, even when new.
Sounds like they figured out how to cheapen production costs while still charging the same price for 'em. Yeah...most tool manufacturers know u can throw in plastic gears to make things quieter, they don't do it for a reason. You know how they could've made them quiter, higher precision gear manufacturing, high end precision bearings, and work on improving the contact angles, along with the type of grease used.
Forgot to mention that the backing plate looks like it might be a problem as well. Going that thin, it's going to wear out and bend, causing friction/vibration issues. Plus that velcro seems off...like it's going to let go of pads real easy. I've heard reports from other markets where the Mark Vs have been selling, and the velcro letting go on new machines while in use seems to be a common occurrence.
my boss bought this machine and overall is a great item,but the backing plate sucks!!! within 3 months of use lost all it's grip and the only way to keep the pad in place while in use,is by putting a lot of pressure on the machine and at the end of the panel i ended up with an oval pad instead of a perfecfly round one.buying 3 or 4 backing plates a year doesn't sound very appealing for a machine that is already a bit expensive (even if it's my boss' money,lol) RUPES needs to fix that problem pronto!!
As much as I like the look of these machines, you can get the same results with the Shinemate line for considerably less. Especially when it comes to polishers you don’t need to spend that for a corded machine. Griots was fine with the Boss machines years ago. Don’t know why they wanted to change, but oh well. The Shinemate line is so much less expensive and you get the same results I can’t justify purchases like this anymore. It’s a lot of detailing products and tools that are a complete sham in the industry and have been for decades. Ripping ppl off considering the results you get from other tools and other products. Definitely not for me, they look dope tho but not for me.
A Chevy Cruze and a Mercedes S580 both have motors, 4 wheels, brakes, steering wheels, etc and will ultimately get you to where you are going. Having said that, the ride, experience, and quality are not the same. This holds true with polishers as well. We can get the same results with our old Porter Cable machine, but it will take longer, our hands will go numb from the vibrations, and our ears will be ringing from the loudness levels. All of those things matter, which is why Rupes is the preferred equipment in the industry.
@@Esotericdetail you haven’t tried the Shinemates especially the cordless machines. Gone are the days of brands telling us anything. After having the rupes machines and the Shinemates it’s clear and has been for thr last five years or so Shinemate has been the Rupes killer, Griots Boss machines were back in the day but Shinemate has clearly taken that role now. A few other machines to mention. The DIY 25mm , the Fyenlab polisher as well. All these have similar smooth operation but more power. Less stalling. Have you tried the Rupes cordless ? Issues, great in theory but quality control with those machines has left a lot to be desired. With no fix in sight for battery terminal contact tolerance issues. Already some work around is in order. For $700 machines that’s unacceptable. I’m not a real Rupes hater either I live the pads, the compound and polish is ok to. But as of now the Rupes position amongst polishers has changed and it’s not the standard anymore. Be advised, try a shinemate and see for yourself. Corded or Cordless.
What an utter load of crap. Tell me how many tough tools and machinery still use composite gearing, and that are reliable compared to their counterparts?
And we forgot to mention in the video...the machine has a 5 year warranty!
Been following your work since the late 00s , it’s great to see how far Esoteric has gone! Thanks for this one, I couldnt think of anyone better to hear about these new all important machines first fromz
Thank you for your continued support!
@@Esotericdetail pleasure!
I was expecting the cordless HLR to be the way forward and be engineered with the addition of a corded attachment for those longer usage time.
Have you Todd notice significantly by a vast margin, greater efficiency when using the MkV over the HLR?
Minus the swapping batteries aspect on the HLR.
@@keshoremooralie2376 I don't necessarily see it as greater efficiency. It has higher performance, and we know we can keep cranking all day long without stopping. This is based off of a very busy shop environment however, so it might not be as important to others.
@@Esotericdetail thanks for the feedback.
My first gen LHR15 is still going strong (purchased from you of course way back when they launched) and I received my iBrid HLR15 last week and am getting ready to use it on a clients new land cruiser. These polishers have never had an issue and have gone head to head with my Flex rotary & XC3401. Next purchase is one of the iBrid minis for when I am coating bicycles. Awesome to see the new unit and thanks for all the great info through out the years!
We still have some of the originals here as well. They're like the Energizer Bunny!!
Thanks for the video. Seems more incremental of an upgrade. I have the LHR15 MKII and it works just fine for me. I think the next frontier is gear-driven battery powered machines (e.g. like the Mille)
It's no different than cars...you can still have a blast and get great lap times with a C7 Corvette compared to a C8. Some people will want the latest and greatest, while some will be happy with where they're at.
While Rupes is very high quality, well balanced etc etc. I own an LHR15 MKII. I also own a harbor freight Hercules forced rotation and a porter cable. I reach for the Hercules even if it isn't as smooth and nice feeling. I get faster correction out of it. It is what it is.
Interesting observation as we've never found the forced rotation machines to be as effective as the dual action. Sales data also supports those findings as the DA machines outsell gear driven at least 200:1.
Wish they added a light and also plug in cord instead of static cord, never the less i can't wait for the Mark 5 coz Milwaukee, Flex, Mirka and others are gunning for the Rupes top spot.
Great video Todd
Thank you!
Hi Todd, quick question: is the new Mark V made in Italy or in US location?
These look great! I’d love to see a vid showing how they sound at different speeds and how smooth they are starting up and stopping. 👍
That would be really tough to capture on camera to make it a worthwhile comparison.
I have em all and the 3inch Cordless unit is dialed but the new 15 or 21 battery unit isnt even close to ready and I had to send my new one in after one month. Get plug in if your doing all day polishing
Hey Todd, do we know when the full kits are coming out? I noticed on the site there’s no kits available for this new product.
I have the HLR15. Battery swap doesn't take that long and I don't really like dragging a cord around. But, I do wish Rupes would work on a cordless rotary. I have a Milwaukee cordless and the head is kind of bulky.
My understanding is the new machines are having problems with over heating backing plates. Apparently rupes is looking into it.
Does the mark 5 out perform the mark 3 when it comes to stahling
Does anyone know whether rupes are going to do a cordless rotary?T.I.A
But is it brushless?
Nope. Same motor as mk3
The cordless machine is brushless, however this one is not.
Will this mean the LHR15 MK3 be coming down in price?
Rupes has given no indication of this, so my guess would be no.
Hi, between the mark v and the new cordless 15”m which ones is quieter and lighter?
Really close on both accounts. The weight distribution is completely different on both machines as well since the cordless has the heavier battery pack at the back of the unit. It would then come down to personal preference on how you like the feel of each of them.
How does it compare to the Mark III in terms of power/stalling?
Someone who have used it sais it has bit more torque than mk3. Motor is the same but the new gear and bp makes it more efficent.
I have the same question here. I own the MarkIII and the iBrid HLR15, but I like the MarkIII better as the ibrid has a lack of power, in my opinion.
@@Finitolowpez yeah. Hlr15 is bit weaker than mk3. Hlr21 is not, it is atleast as powerfull as mk3
Same power. Stalling is a technique issue when dealing with contours.
Was there a Mark 4 ?
So can you just change out the backing plate to the new one with the rubber edge?
Did you add that the gears are polycarbonate?
I am a user who has been using the ruppes mark v in Korea since last year. I will let you know the shortcomings of the mark V in advance. If the Velcro on the backup plate is too weak, I will inform you in advance that the pad is blown into the air due to heat and the painting of the vehicle is being damaged. Italy 🇮🇹 Headquarters will release the backup plate in the United States without modifying the backup plate even though they know this. If the problem of the backup plate is not solved, you can pay a lot of money to paint the vehicle, so I will let you know this problem.
If the velcro has worn on either the backing plate or pad on any machine...this will cause problems. It's really easy to test the adhesion level when you're putting the pad on the machine.
@@Esotericdetail Velcro is the machine's backing plate or pad, and the adhesive force is too weak. I bought the Mark V and used it for the first time, and the backing plate (Velcro) was worn out due to heat in the bonding part. It's not about wear, but it's too weak from the first note, so we have this problem and we can't completely solve the shutdown problem. Mark V Asia has been selling it as a demo version since a year ago, and even if we have this problem, we only sell it to Italian ruppes and won't solve the problem. Velcro issue or shutdown Velcro problem. I can't solve HLR completely, so I only think of RUPES or real sellers. Even if there is a post on UA-cam, Instagram, and Facebook, I want to promote new products and let the sales companies know that there is a problem like this. HLR.HLR 15.21V. There is a problem like these, which is an identical part, and only sales can't be solved by one, so general buyers and professional masts should know this. If the problem comes out, I don't want to solve it
That's crazy you mention this problem. I just left a similar comment, where I heard other markets have a problem with the new backing pads letting go of pads while in use, even when new.
@@BigBear-- Please let me know your email address if you want the back-up pad Velclaw to be called. I will attach it as a picture.
Sounds like they figured out how to cheapen production costs while still charging the same price for 'em. Yeah...most tool manufacturers know u can throw in plastic gears to make things quieter, they don't do it for a reason. You know how they could've made them quiter, higher precision gear manufacturing, high end precision bearings, and work on improving the contact angles, along with the type of grease used.
Forgot to mention that the backing plate looks like it might be a problem as well. Going that thin, it's going to wear out and bend, causing friction/vibration issues. Plus that velcro seems off...like it's going to let go of pads real easy. I've heard reports from other markets where the Mark Vs have been selling, and the velcro letting go on new machines while in use seems to be a common occurrence.
Brushless???
No, same motor as Mk3.
@@jtm1979 😔 sad news
my boss bought this machine and overall is a great item,but the backing plate sucks!!! within 3 months of use lost all it's grip and the only way to keep the pad in place while in use,is by putting a lot of pressure on the machine and at the end of the panel i ended up with an oval pad instead of a perfecfly round one.buying 3 or 4 backing plates a year doesn't sound very appealing for a machine that is already a bit expensive (even if it's my boss' money,lol) RUPES needs to fix that problem pronto!!
As much as I like the look of these machines, you can get the same results with the Shinemate line for considerably less. Especially when it comes to polishers you don’t need to spend that for a corded machine. Griots was fine with the Boss machines years ago. Don’t know why they wanted to change, but oh well. The Shinemate line is so much less expensive and you get the same results I can’t justify purchases like this anymore. It’s a lot of detailing products and tools that are a complete sham in the industry and have been for decades. Ripping ppl off considering the results you get from other tools and other products. Definitely not for me, they look dope tho but not for me.
A Chevy Cruze and a Mercedes S580 both have motors, 4 wheels, brakes, steering wheels, etc and will ultimately get you to where you are going. Having said that, the ride, experience, and quality are not the same. This holds true with polishers as well. We can get the same results with our old Porter Cable machine, but it will take longer, our hands will go numb from the vibrations, and our ears will be ringing from the loudness levels. All of those things matter, which is why Rupes is the preferred equipment in the industry.
@@Esotericdetail you haven’t tried the Shinemates especially the cordless machines. Gone are the days of brands telling us anything. After having the rupes machines and the Shinemates it’s clear and has been for thr last five years or so Shinemate has been the Rupes killer, Griots Boss machines were back in the day but Shinemate has clearly taken that role now. A few other machines to mention. The DIY 25mm , the Fyenlab polisher as well. All these have similar smooth operation but more power. Less stalling. Have you tried the Rupes cordless ? Issues, great in theory but quality control with those machines has left a lot to be desired. With no fix in sight for battery terminal contact tolerance issues. Already some work around is in order. For $700 machines that’s unacceptable. I’m not a real Rupes hater either I live the pads, the compound and polish is ok to. But as of now the Rupes position amongst polishers has changed and it’s not the standard anymore. Be advised, try a shinemate and see for yourself. Corded or Cordless.
What an utter load of crap. Tell me how many tough tools and machinery still use composite gearing, and that are reliable compared to their counterparts?
If you're a non-believer, then this tool isn't for you. Fortunately there are still plenty of MKIII machines available...
Over a min and half talking crap🤦🏼♂️ good video other than that