@@foundedcupid5286 Not really, the Strela is the only IR sam in the 10.x BR bracket with access to photo-contrast, neither the LAV-AD or Ozelot do, I’m not sure about the Stormers, Type 93, SIDAMs, or Atelope. Side note, I find it kind of ridiculous you can lock a Heli with IRST from the LAV, but not its stringers.
The F117 isn't really meant for this game. It was developed to take out fixed air defenses, command and control facilities, and hardened hangars. It was extremely successful getting in and out without being detected. It was never meant to bomb moving vehicles, fly at low altitudes during the day, or fly around with it's bomb bay open. The one early F117 loss was due to an open bomb bay allowing the plane to be locked onto. The F117 is one of the coolest and most historic planes ever built (and still being flown today) but it doesn't lend itself to WT any more than any strategic bomber.
I'm just hoping that the December update isn't a air focused one, AGAIN. Give us a ground focused one again or even better a fully naval focused one for once.
it was never gonna be meta breaking, for stealth aircraft, its pretty limited and would only fly in cleared skies. War thunders game modes really do not fit the mission profile of the F-117 at all. I am fairly certain the heat signature isnt accurate, however even if that was fixed, the F-117 still wont be amazing
It won't work, the only point of these is to perform a mission stealthily, when they don't expect you are coming, doing precision strike 10 15km in the air, neither of those conditions is possible in game at all@@ay0media
I hope you're aware that having your bomb bay doors open renders your stealth capability completely useless. Not that it worked a whole lot before but you know.. pro tip.
What bugs me most about the F-117 as it's currently implemented is the bomb bay boors. As I understand, IRL, the pilot would push a single button to drop a bomb. The plane would then automatically open the doors, drop one bomb, and close them again as soon as possible to limit the time that radars could see the plane. The pilot never needed to open the doors - just tell the plane to drop the bomb. In WT, though, you have to manually open the doors first, and if you only drop one bomb, there seems to not be a way to close them again until you drop that second one. So effectively, you lose stealth as soon as you attack something. That, or you'll have to make do with just your second bomb and ditch the first one.
I was watching a documentary on the gulf war once and the f117 was being used then and I heard a funny story of how some f-15's or 16's? (idk for sure) were firing off some air to air missiles at some enemy fighters and they just barely missed the f117's and flew over the canopies of their crew because apparently the missiles didn't detect them at all. I just find it really sad that Gaijin can't even make the f117's historically accurate when there are examples like that.
7:50 lol, French air force actually did it during libyan war, they were using concrete bomb to destroy tanks in civilian area, the precision and kinetic energy of the bomb could completly destroy the tank (they destroyed a tank 50km away with a concrete AASM propelled bomb, guided by ground units)
Yeah,i don't think it can save you considering how overpressure is handled in this game. KF41 and the Centauro ROMOR being unable to withstand even slight overpressure are a clear proof
I am once again hoping for the low and mid tier vehicles for the Benelux ground sub tree to come in the next update. You can complain that I talk about them too much, but as a fan of WWII vehicles, I want something.
Agreed, Gaijin needs to add the low and mid tier Benelux vehicles. Low tier France is a nightmare with some of their tanks and the few Benelux vehicles that were around before and during WWII could be helpful.
Gaijin has a ton of ww2 things to add but i mean to their defense it brings less attention then new toptier but i mean they will run out eventually and i mean its their fault for pumping them out too fast
Mad that the Desert Warrior is the same BR as the Bradley...Gaijin need to start balancing vehicles on features and not just guns and missiles. IRST tracking Full thermal commander sight Superior Dart Superior mobility Same trash missile
The F117 works great against normal IR lock , but your problem or every f117 players, will be that Those Sams (Ozelot + Strella) have a 2nd way to guide their missiles that counters the flaws of the IR lock.
My experience in shooting down the f117 it’s really no different. It’s stealth capabilities allow it to go unnoticed for a while, but once you finally spot it you treat it as you would any other plane. Lock on > fire the missile > dead plane. In my experience it’s really nothing special, it’s stealth capabilities don’t really do anything for it
12:50 Justin. What you should be saying is: the fact we can legally WALLHACK through buildings, mountains, entire maps, like it's nothing is incredibly stupid for a game that calls itself ESPORTS ready...
@@JustinPlaysTV I'm not well informed, but Zenturion made a video about it yesterday. Pulling from that, it seems that I-TOW and TOW-2 are much improved, they no longer dip on launch. For some reason, the TOW-2B still suffers from the launch dip. Edit : Testing myself, it appears the TOW-2B has also been improved now. Not noticing the launch dip, at least in test drive.
I think the real star is the Bradley as it is whooping Russians in the region that little IFV is actually slapping them quite hard which is kind of surprising because I never expected that kind of performance from the Bradley especially after watching the Pentagon Wars LOL
Ngl ever since phly hasn't been making content you've really been a good alternative channel. Very informative and your really good at explaining the vehicles and there abilities. Keep it up man
"The bane of the local T-90s" yeah sure it can't even deal with T-54s effectively. Let alone BMP-2Ms that shred the Bradley to pieces. By far the worst IFV in game effectiveness wise. My fart feels stronger than the 25 Bushmaster
I hope some sort of SEAD weapons are coming to the game. The pantsir is destroying the game even more now. Su34 has an easy game with the help of a competent s1 player
I just got a new PC but don’t have my log in. I was told that Gajin can get my account with just my nickname. Your vids give me the joy and pain of playing war thunder. Has anyone else heard the same?
F117 with “low observable IR signature” - can be locked by IR sams from spawn
Literally any helicopter- can’t be locked from further than 1 mile
for real, the pain!
Gaijin: if the battery-powered tiny recon drones can be locked on miles away, so can F-117.
You know that yhe irs sams at this br have other methods of locking right?
@@foundedcupid5286 Not really, the Strela is the only IR sam in the 10.x BR bracket with access to photo-contrast, neither the LAV-AD or Ozelot do, I’m not sure about the Stormers, Type 93, SIDAMs, or Atelope.
Side note, I find it kind of ridiculous you can lock a Heli with IRST from the LAV, but not its stringers.
@@Patton33 type93 has contrast and the ozelot has irst
The F117 isn't really meant for this game. It was developed to take out fixed air defenses, command and control facilities, and hardened hangars. It was extremely successful getting in and out without being detected. It was never meant to bomb moving vehicles, fly at low altitudes during the day, or fly around with it's bomb bay open. The one early F117 loss was due to an open bomb bay allowing the plane to be locked onto. The F117 is one of the coolest and most historic planes ever built (and still being flown today) but it doesn't lend itself to WT any more than any strategic bomber.
The bomb bay being open increases the radar signature so much Justin :(
I'm just hoping that the December update isn't a air focused one, AGAIN. Give us a ground focused one again or even better a fully naval focused one for once.
I think Gaijin is too far gone into their top tier aviation addiction to be saved.
leaks say otherwise : (
It will be air focused
They won't ever do a complete naval focus for a major update because 97% of the community that doesn't play it would get pissy
@@adrianjarczynski3582 Why does Gaijin love to give ground players the middle finger now?
I like the F117 but I feel they could have done better with the stealth I completely understand you have to start somewhere but it's just pathetic.
Im pretty sure they will continue working on it as we get more stealth stuff
it was never gonna be meta breaking, for stealth aircraft, its pretty limited and would only fly in cleared skies. War thunders game modes really do not fit the mission profile of the F-117 at all. I am fairly certain the heat signature isnt accurate, however even if that was fixed, the F-117 still wont be amazing
It won't work, the only point of these is to perform a mission stealthily, when they don't expect you are coming, doing precision strike 10 15km in the air, neither of those conditions is possible in game at all@@ay0media
You gotta revisit the Olifant Mk2, DM63 and Gen 2 thermals at 9.3 is crazy
I hope you're aware that having your bomb bay doors open renders your stealth capability completely useless. Not that it worked a whole lot before but you know.. pro tip.
keeping your bomb-bay open is gonna make you not stealthy anymore
What bugs me most about the F-117 as it's currently implemented is the bomb bay boors. As I understand, IRL, the pilot would push a single button to drop a bomb. The plane would then automatically open the doors, drop one bomb, and close them again as soon as possible to limit the time that radars could see the plane. The pilot never needed to open the doors - just tell the plane to drop the bomb.
In WT, though, you have to manually open the doors first, and if you only drop one bomb, there seems to not be a way to close them again until you drop that second one. So effectively, you lose stealth as soon as you attack something. That, or you'll have to make do with just your second bomb and ditch the first one.
@@jplabs456 there is a button to toggle the bomb bay doors, so you can open or close them manually
I was watching a documentary on the gulf war once and the f117 was being used then and I heard a funny story of how some f-15's or 16's? (idk for sure) were firing off some air to air missiles at some enemy fighters and they just barely missed the f117's and flew over the canopies of their crew because apparently the missiles didn't detect them at all. I just find it really sad that Gaijin can't even make the f117's historically accurate when there are examples like that.
7:50 lol, French air force actually did it during libyan war, they were using concrete bomb to destroy tanks in civilian area, the precision and kinetic energy of the bomb could completly destroy the tank (they destroyed a tank 50km away with a concrete AASM propelled bomb, guided by ground units)
I only got the f117 for when they properly model in the stealth and reduced heat signature
Still waiting for Bradley to get an APS
Much like the KF41, the over pressure alone would destroy the Bradley if it was a missile being intercepted :(
Yeah,i don't think it can save you considering how overpressure is handled in this game.
KF41 and the Centauro ROMOR being unable to withstand even slight overpressure are a clear proof
@@JustinPlaysTVwill u play the KF41 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
I am once again hoping for the low and mid tier vehicles for the Benelux ground sub tree to come in the next update.
You can complain that I talk about them too much, but as a fan of WWII vehicles, I want something.
Agreed, Gaijin needs to add the low and mid tier Benelux vehicles. Low tier France is a nightmare with some of their tanks and the few Benelux vehicles that were around before and during WWII could be helpful.
Gaijin has a ton of ww2 things to add but i mean to their defense it brings less attention then new toptier but i mean they will run out eventually and i mean its their fault for pumping them out too fast
the recent tow changes have been awesome for this thing
As a Chadley main, I agree, but still in perpetual misery.
@@khertler indeed... However, the M3 is quite good at 8.3.
i find it triggering that engine intake bypass is open in flight
I shot an F-117 at the second day of relase using Obj 120. Guy left the game immediately xD
Mad that the Desert Warrior is the same BR as the Bradley...Gaijin need to start balancing vehicles on features and not just guns and missiles.
IRST tracking
Full thermal commander sight
Superior Dart
Superior mobility
Same trash missile
You can scout someone thru a entire city but I can look at someone in the middle of a field LOS and the spot fails
2:34 average bald man in France 😂
Would it be more useful if it could use Mavericks? IRL, it could.
Bradley is so nice after the tow2a was fixed
The F117 works great against normal IR lock , but your problem or every f117 players, will be that Those Sams (Ozelot + Strella) have a 2nd way to guide their missiles that counters the flaws of the IR lock.
how does it work
The strela and the Japanese high tier spaa have the contrast lock, but ozelot? It's pure IR afaik
I gotta be honest, I thought the F-117 stealth would be a lot better in game that it is
Locking helicopters with IR missiles is almost impossible but stealth aircraft can be locked from 6 km MAKES A LOT OF SENSE
The f-117 does have a “rwr” it was used for locating radar ground targets and others as such.
Should use the gbu27's
My experience in shooting down the f117 it’s really no different. It’s stealth capabilities allow it to go unnoticed for a while, but once you finally spot it you treat it as you would any other plane. Lock on > fire the missile > dead plane. In my experience it’s really nothing special, it’s stealth capabilities don’t really do anything for it
We are so back tow bros
I'm so happy to see someone else calls the M3A3 the CHADly
7:50 I mean…if you’d have taken the GBU-27s you could’ve done that :D laser guided AP bomb
12:50 Justin. What you should be saying is: the fact we can legally WALLHACK through buildings, mountains, entire maps, like it's nothing is incredibly stupid for a game that calls itself ESPORTS ready...
IR missiles locking onto the nighthawk has to be a bug
kinda unfortunate the TOW2A flight performance got significantly buffed after you uploaded this, would have made the Chadley alot better lol.
Wait, did they just update it this morning?!
@@JustinPlaysTV I'm not well informed, but Zenturion made a video about it yesterday. Pulling from that, it seems that I-TOW and TOW-2 are much improved, they no longer dip on launch. For some reason, the TOW-2B still suffers from the launch dip.
Edit : Testing myself, it appears the TOW-2B has also been improved now. Not noticing the launch dip, at least in test drive.
@@JustinPlaysTV they updatedd the tow2a yesterday im sure and potentially changed the tow2b today im not sure but they're significantly better now
this type of content is so nice
i was the boxer you killed at 13:09, i didn’t know it was you at the time but i remember being methodically closed in on by you and the other guy gg
Justin, you GOTTA try out the Buccaneer S.2B with the AJ168 missiles which are eNORMOUS, and the Vickers Mk.7 to get you into it :)
id say even the a4e early at 8.7 with 2 tv guided bombs and agms is 10 times more usefull than the f117 even being uptiered to that br
"A second TOW2B has hit the tower"
thanks justin for choosing my suggestion! honored to be a chosen one lol
I think the real star is the Bradley as it is whooping Russians in the region that little IFV is actually slapping them quite hard which is kind of surprising because I never expected that kind of performance from the Bradley especially after watching the Pentagon Wars LOL
you are opening, dropping, then not closing the bomb bay. The strella fired as soon as you released the bomb.
Hey Justin did you know that they buff the tow missile and Nerf at the same time it. Takes so long to load missile right now
Try doing the F117 again with the M60AMBT
Aren't the GBU-27 tracking better?
I really do not understand this pane being in the game. I figured the next would be the F/A-18.
wow your game looks amazing
watching you fly and lock targets give me extreme anxiety. you need to chill and take it slow lmao
Can you plsplay the xm1 with a4e with walleyes, 1000lb bombs and Zuni
They can use the gps guided bombs in air realistic
lol i agree, ive played war thunder since 2016 and the best tip i can give is to take breaks and play other games.
Ngl ever since phly hasn't been making content you've really been a good alternative channel. Very informative and your really good at explaining the vehicles and there abilities. Keep it up man
@@Supersend420 Steve was a huge inspiration, even helped start the channel years ago :D
@JustinPlaysTV tbh yall are a lot a like I woulda thought yall were family
Will you be doing any videos on you offline channel?
I'd like to, I just don't know how to go about it
You could do a video on Sea power: Naval Combat in the missile age. I’ve been playing it and it is very fun
Waiting for the ( T-14 ARMATA + SU-57 )
from what I remeber F117 is only hard to lock on nose on .but I dont think tis working well at all
Well, looking at this, its better the Bradley 8.3 with the A4 at 8.7. Nice video. 😂
Try out the adats again it got a "buff" it now has a high fire rat .50
"The bane of the local T-90s" yeah sure it can't even deal with T-54s effectively. Let alone BMP-2Ms that shred the Bradley to pieces.
By far the worst IFV in game effectiveness wise. My fart feels stronger than the 25 Bushmaster
The stealth is so horribly modelled its hilarious
Please play a pakistani combo. With the MI 35/ JF 17 and Alkhalid or the VT-4. Get destroyed and frustraed but we get to have fun
Well the f117 was never around when those tanks and Sam sites came out and it’s another way for them to nerf anything American
I hope some sort of SEAD weapons are coming to the game. The pantsir is destroying the game even more now. Su34 has an easy game with the help of a competent s1 player
I just got a new PC but don’t have my log in. I was told that Gajin can get my account with just my nickname. Your vids give me the joy and pain of playing war thunder. Has anyone else heard the same?
Call me crazy but I dont think stealth is modeled correctly.
F117 is not the star its the useless thing that was cool for a minute
If it wasn’t (cool) this would get sht on soo hard
pls can you play whith my war thunder account
What a useless plane (in-game)
ruzzians are so ruzzians. F117 was shot down only when he opend the bomb bay doors. Try to drop one and close the bay. Anyway f this game
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