Plenty of room in the guard's van section for a battery, a switch accessible through a hole in the floor, and a couple of resistors to provide dimmish, orangeish lights (LEDs for a long life of the battery) for the compartments and even a tiny red one showing at the rear.
Hi, Jago. I think that the old Tri-Ang. Mark 1 coaches are worth about £5, but not more. Because I’m rather a perfectionist when modelling, I feel that all the manufacturers compromised regarding quality. Hornby Dublo, in my opinion, made their coaches to a superior standard - well-printed sides, good plastic moulding for roofs and under frames, far better bogie wheels. But then, they were obviously not long enough for the scale, which meant that the bogie units, the compartment windows, and their spacing, were all wrong. As for Tri-Ang, the coach length was correct, but then they were modelled with very unsightly deep windows, silly round buffers, and the roof ventilators were often plonked in the wrong place as well as being very small. What I really like ( and you can still get them) are the Rosebud Kitmaster Mark 1s. With the Peco card interiors ( but avoid the card passengers; they look like thin toons), they have nearly all the details right. Carefully made, they look a treat. Excuse rattling on, but one of the few pluses during lockdown is to view your material , smoke one’s pipe, and then comment!
I think the 'K' for Corridor is to differentiate from 'C' for Composite, an earlier designation for use on other earlier mark 1 coaches used by other train companies, i.e. LNER. A Composite coach is one with mixed classes, such as 2nd and 1st class.The mark 1 coach you have there, as simple as it is, by Triang is, I think the model preceded by Hornby who made similar models. They are very nice as they are. I would not 'improve' them by altering. The more detailed ones produced by, say, Bachmann, are very detailed, but, there is a charm with the earlier Triang and Hornby version which, I think, I prefer. Thankyou for showing us. Actually the end result is quite nice.
ROCKINGMAN Thanks for the info. I agree, these coaches do have a lot of charm, and I have some unmodified ones. Ironically, I think the cruder moulding gives them a weighty look which makes them look, in a sense, more realistic than better detailed models.
Love the "Railway Brown" you painted the underframes. That brown seemed to get on the ballast and sides of the platforms too, as far as I could see when I was a lad.
I find the good old Humbrol tins best for hand painting details like the interior and seats. They give excellent coverage providing you work with a quality brush. For the roof go for Tamiya spay cans. The result will be better than most modellers with an airbrush!
Now, if my memory serves, from travelling on these carriages and having cause to sit with the guard, once, in the seventies, the little cubicle behind the last compartment is the Guard’s accommodation. This was also cream. The large bit at the rear was a metal cage within which any cargo or parcels that were travelling on the train was stored. You would sometimes see a bicycle or two in there too, if any passenger was travelling with one and being left in the charge of the train staff.
get some spray primer, Halfords generic grey is good, would have made the interior a hell of a lot easier and takes a few minutes, can will go for ever. that racking, if you are using GW paints, paint in silver - the gun metal one is fine, and using the "Nuln oil" black wash over it, job done
These old coaches are still not bad, I converted a BSK to the origional prototype / experimental BDSO for the E and G push pull sets. A good upgrade is to flush glaze.
I didn’t know you were railway modeller. I was impressed with your improvements to the Mk 1, I was also impressed you knew of Cradle of Filth , I didn’t know you are ( like me) a heavy metal fan as well as London Railways fan.
Cradle of filth...and other funnies in this were brilliant thanks for making me laugh. As for the model, I strongly suggest using proper enamel paints for brushing. They cover and level so much better in one coat too. That said the vague brushing of the wood panelling probably gave a realistic look. As would the underframe wash. I think far too much talk is on acrylics nowadays and so many people miss the pleasures of enamel paints, even though washing the brush isn't quite as slick.
The Tri-Ang coaches from the 1960s benefit from re-work on the bogies and wheels, new wheels with smaller diameter flanges, and, reducing the the bogie to underframe pivot to lower the vertical buffer to railhead height, however the downside being you may then run into problems of wheel flanges fouling the Solebar on curves. I agree , these coaches have a charm which belies their age and vintage, they were made to a budget yet to a high standard of materials, you do not find warping or embrittlement of the plastic with age on these coaches.
Just a thought, but have you considered putting lights on the inside? I’m unsure how you could do it, maybe running a wire through the coaches from and back to the engine and connect it the motor or maybe having a battery hidden in a freight carriage connected to the wires that run back to the coaches and switch on the underside of the freight carriage? I just think a bunch of lights would add a little extra something to that coaches.
The early triang longer mk 1s were dimensionally very accurate, but let down by their thick window reveals. Obviously ,as you say, more modern versions address that problem, but a nice paint job there, Jago.
I also put on transfers on the ends of the coaches. C1 down below near the buffer beam and always on the opposite side at the other end. And overhead warning transfers where the things that are steps on the end. The coach number should be replaced too. With a letter that starts with E, M, W, S or SC (Scottish) depending which region you are modelling. Though it doesn't matter as coaches would cross into other regions. If you can get hold of the transfers in the middle of the coach side on the black underframe, you could get "emergency lighting point". DO NOT use ModelMasterUK to buy transfers. He's a con man and will take your money and not send them.
I didn't know you did models as well as tales from the tube, You might do a review of the London Underground Models that are available. A review of the Bachmann S stock train in your usual laconic style would be good. Thanks for uploading.
Just how large is this person making the video, with giant hands like that , must be , what , 360feet Tall, amazing. now get BR Blue back on the railways
If you don’t change the awful Triang wheels with their large flanges, then the coach won’t run properly over modern track. The inside painting looks awful but never mind. Hope you have saved up for a proper set of small screwdrivers.....
Plenty of room in the guard's van section for a battery, a switch accessible through a hole in the floor, and a couple of resistors to provide dimmish, orangeish lights (LEDs for a long life of the battery) for the compartments and even a tiny red one showing at the rear.
Hi, Jago. I think that the old Tri-Ang. Mark 1 coaches are worth about £5, but not more. Because I’m rather a perfectionist when modelling, I feel that all the manufacturers compromised regarding quality. Hornby Dublo, in my opinion, made their coaches to a superior standard - well-printed sides, good plastic moulding for roofs and under frames, far better bogie wheels. But then, they were obviously not long enough for the scale, which meant that the bogie units, the compartment windows, and their spacing, were all wrong. As for Tri-Ang, the coach length was correct, but then they were modelled with very unsightly deep windows, silly round buffers, and the roof ventilators were often plonked in the wrong place as well as being very small. What I really like ( and you can still get them) are the Rosebud Kitmaster Mark 1s. With the Peco card interiors ( but avoid the card passengers; they look like thin toons), they have nearly all the details right. Carefully made, they look a treat. Excuse rattling on, but one of the few pluses during lockdown is to view your material , smoke one’s pipe, and then comment!
I think the 'K' for Corridor is to differentiate from 'C' for Composite, an earlier designation for use on other earlier mark 1 coaches used by other train companies, i.e. LNER. A Composite coach is one with mixed classes, such as 2nd and 1st class.The mark 1 coach you have there, as simple as it is, by Triang is, I think the model preceded by Hornby who made similar models. They are very nice as they are. I would not 'improve' them by altering. The more detailed ones produced by, say, Bachmann, are very detailed, but, there is a charm with the earlier Triang and Hornby version which, I think, I prefer. Thankyou for showing us. Actually the end result is quite nice.
ROCKINGMAN Thanks for the info. I agree, these coaches do have a lot of charm, and I have some unmodified ones. Ironically, I think the cruder moulding gives them a weighty look which makes them look, in a sense, more realistic than better detailed models.
It's funny that you mention 'Cradle Of Filth'. My younger brother went to school with most of them.
For their time they were very good, despite the fact that it was a case of any formation you like as long as it is brakes and composites!
Very nice, The coach came up looking pretty darn good. 👍
I think you've inspired me to go and paint one of mine as well.
Love the "Railway Brown" you painted the underframes. That brown seemed to get on the ballast and sides of the platforms too, as far as I could see when I was a lad.
I find the good old Humbrol tins best for hand painting details like the interior and seats. They give excellent coverage providing you work with a quality brush.
For the roof go for Tamiya spay cans. The result will be better than most modellers with an airbrush!
K was used for 'Corridor' as the 'C' was utilised for composite, ie first and third (eventually 2nd) in one coach as they were when first introduced.
I have a Hornby Minitrix N gauge version of this Mk 1 coach and found the video informative and helpful for weathering mine.
Excellent! Glad it was useful!
Back To The Underframe sounds like an album by Genesis might do if they ever decided to reform.
Had a great little set of screwdrivers and pliers from the middle of Lidl about five years ago.
The Triang 1962 mk 1s were also available as CKD kits.
Now, if my memory serves, from travelling on these carriages and having cause to sit with the guard, once, in the seventies, the little cubicle behind the last compartment is the Guard’s accommodation. This was also cream. The large bit at the rear was a metal cage within which any cargo or parcels that were travelling on the train was stored. You would sometimes see a bicycle or two in there too, if any passenger was travelling with one and being left in the charge of the train staff.
Looking good - amazing how a little bit of painting can lift the quality of the model
get some spray primer, Halfords generic grey is good, would have made the interior a hell of a lot easier and takes a few minutes, can will go for ever.
that racking, if you are using GW paints, paint in silver - the gun metal one is fine, and using the "Nuln oil" black wash over it, job done
These old coaches are still not bad, I converted a BSK to the origional prototype / experimental BDSO for the E and G push pull sets. A good upgrade is to flush glaze.
I didn’t know you were railway modeller. I was impressed with your improvements to the Mk 1, I was also impressed you knew of Cradle of Filth , I didn’t know you are ( like me) a heavy metal fan as well as London Railways fan.
Cradle of filth...and other funnies in this were brilliant thanks for making me laugh. As for the model, I strongly suggest using proper enamel paints for brushing. They cover and level so much better in one coat too. That said the vague brushing of the wood panelling probably gave a realistic look. As would the underframe wash. I think far too much talk is on acrylics nowadays and so many people miss the pleasures of enamel paints, even though washing the brush isn't quite as slick.
Nice little video- thanks. 2nd class seating should really be a sort of maroon- blue for first class.
Just stumble across this vid - I think you ought to do more on Model Railways!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂
The Tri-Ang coaches from the 1960s benefit from re-work on the bogies and wheels, new wheels with smaller diameter flanges, and, reducing the the bogie to underframe pivot to lower the vertical buffer to railhead height, however the downside being you may then run into problems of wheel flanges fouling the Solebar on curves. I agree , these coaches have a charm which belies their age and vintage, they were made to a budget yet to a high standard of materials, you do not find warping or embrittlement of the plastic with age on these coaches.
Just a thought, but have you considered putting lights on the inside? I’m unsure how you could do it, maybe running a wire through the coaches from and back to the engine and connect it the motor or maybe having a battery hidden in a freight carriage connected to the wires that run back to the coaches and switch on the underside of the freight carriage? I just think a bunch of lights would add a little extra something to that coaches.
The early triang longer mk 1s were dimensionally very accurate, but let down by their thick window reveals. Obviously ,as you say, more modern versions address that problem, but a nice paint job there, Jago.
I also put on transfers on the ends of the coaches. C1 down below near the buffer beam and always on the opposite side at the other end. And overhead warning transfers where the things that are steps on the end. The coach number should be replaced too. With a letter that starts with E, M, W, S or SC (Scottish) depending which region you are modelling. Though it doesn't matter as coaches would cross into other regions. If you can get hold of the transfers in the middle of the coach side on the black underframe, you could get "emergency lighting point". DO NOT use ModelMasterUK to buy transfers. He's a con man and will take your money and not send them.
I didn't know you did models as well as tales from the tube, You might do a review of the London Underground Models that are available. A review of the Bachmann S stock train in your usual laconic style would be good. Thanks for uploading.
Hoping you have got yourself a good set of screwdrivers since you made this video, Jago?
Very good tutorial 👍 thanks 🙏
Probably the first time that I've heard 'vivid', in relation to brown.
Has anyone sent you a screwdriver set yet?
Since lockdown even these go for ridiculous prices these days.
If you fancy seeing what you can really do with Triang coach components, drop me a line....😊😊
Nearly cracked the wheels using that multi tool effort. Good God, I wouldn't let him near anything of mine. They're about £1 from ebay.
Thank you for your concern. I have accordingly now taken this video down.
Just how large is this person making the video, with giant hands like that , must be , what , 360feet Tall, amazing. now get BR Blue back on the railways
If you don’t change the awful Triang wheels with their large flanges, then the coach won’t run properly over modern track. The inside painting looks awful but never mind. Hope you have saved up for a proper set of small screwdrivers.....
Me hit train with rock
I agree, Ray. Nowt’ worse in the world of model railways than ‘orrible, thick Tri-ang wheels.