DDR Top 10 Quantization Errors found in Songs
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- After a long time, here's another top 10. I've been busy and I also been away from the game due to work and other interests.
But I'll do my best to keep making stuff. Hope you enjoy this one! Pay very close attention to it!
Can't believe that triplets weren't there from the beginning but was a bugfix to support a charter's cursed charting method
Musicians: Alright, so our song is in 6/4 time at 150 BPM.
DDR programmer: Ooh, a song in 4/4 time at 50 BPM, with triplets. We haven't implemented triplets in our game, so we have to approximate them to the nearest 64th note, and the problem is exacerbated at slow tempos, but oh well. There's no better way to chart this.
Musicians: Actually, if you set the chart to 150--
DDR programmers: I SAID THERE'S NO BETTER WAY TO CHART THIS
I actually had a moment like that as well. I charted Unwanted from Avril Lavigne and was trying my best, but the chart did not make sense. I could not get the flow right... I checked if BPM was right, but my usual 4/4 patterns did not fit... until I noticed it is in 3/4 time. Adjusted the patterns and boom, great chart! Adjusted the videos also to change after 3 measures instead of 4 and everything came back together.
I’m so glad that BagTriplets™ are a thing of the past
@@cmyk8964The comment's probably talking about "I'll Make Love To You"
Hey, thanks for featuring my Healing-D-Vision clip!! Much appreciated. The stepchart for that song on SuperNova was so broken haha.
Your insights were well-thought-out and video was edited nicely. Well done.
If you think Bag on Extreme is bad, it's even worse on Ultramix 3.
0.5 speed mod is too much for me lol
I know this is an old post, but wow... No wonder I suck at expert bag on ddr.
As much as Burning Heat was badly quantized, you have to give respect to the fact that it was damn close, if we compare it to the other badly quantized songs in the list.
Interesting fact about Ballad For You on this video:
Ballad For You's Double Expert chart is actually still off-sync in the ending like the original Supernova chart was. Although single expert's ending was fixed, double expert's ending was not because the double charts were created with the old sync in mind. Despite that, the quantization is mostly fixed on Double Expert except for the ending.
Video for proof, timestamped: ua-cam.com/video/9l7IsJxjFVc/v-deo.html
My goodness, I'll Make Love To You's quantization in DDR SuperNOVA is so dreadful. What's ironic is how I got a black flag with the arrow speed set to x3 a few times, yet I seemed to get more GREATs with it set to x5. Even if I spend more than enough time in Training Mode, I don't think I'm gonna score a perfect full combo for this song anytime soon.
One month later, I get a perfect full combo for the broken EXPERT stepchart for I'll Make Love To You at least three times. Turning on the handclap option in Training Mode really helped.
While they may not be old songs, I remember Kneesocks Princess, Shion, and Lost One’s Weeping having a section with quantization errors. Then they were fixed on 8/30/16.
I didn't know about these
@@ManiacStepper Yep. Here in Kneesocks, notes 400-419 were 12ths.
They were later changed to 8ths and 16ths.
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Surprised to see Electro Tuned (pre-X) not make the list, but many of these entries are definitely accurate too.
What was wrong with it?
@@MikeTheEntei Incorrect quantization and BPM at the beginning. The beginning steps are fourths, however because it was misstepped there the BPM slows down at the first gallops to make it on sync. This makes it very difficult to PFC and many have had issues getting a PFC because of that part. In DDR X - present this was fixed by shifting the beginning quarter notes to half a beat earlier to 8th notes, which removes the slow down, making it way easier to PFC
@@jasonmartinez5116 Oh, fun!!
Welcome back Carlitos :)!
Awesome video and editing skills!
Gracias Samira
Por eso mismo es que me tardo mucho. Editar me toma días.
@@ManiacStepper Pero te queda brutal! The "fixed version" is my fav part of the vid!
Esa parte me dio mucho trabajo
neko*neko to this day is charted entirely to 16ths while the instrumental is very clearly 1/12ths, I think they started charting 16ths to the vocals and just decided despite the instrumental they'd try to finish the chart in 16ths lol
ballad for you wrong quantization hurt my soul
The slower ballad song hurt even more 🥲
I don't like the idea that, "the errors make it an extra challenge". This implies that the devs shouldn't prioritize making sure a rhythm game actually has proper rhythms. Playing a song with rhythm or sync errors is unnecessarily frustrating.
Don't Try To Stop It from Dancing Stage EuroMIX 2 is messed up beyond belief. Surprised it didn't get mentioned!
I actually liked the rhythm of I’ll Make Love to You better in the original. The timing could have been better, but the dotted-eighth/sixteenth rhythm just vibes better
I think the same. It gave it an extra challenge, too!
Thanks for making this video! I never even noticed these off beats! Good content bro
Thank you! It takes long to make these kinds of videos but I'm still working on some of them
Andamiro would fix a chart basically immediately in Pump it Up.
this is a great video!
I see that you used my “I’ll Make Love To You” video! Yeah. That one was a tragedy to play and time. The time when this song was fixed was in SuperNOVA 2, however. Not X.
I might've slipped that one! Thanks for the correction
Oh, thank you for the confirmation. I had a feeling the quantization errors for I'll Make Love To You, much like BALLAD FOR YOU, were fixed in DDR SuperNOVA2.
I have some old Stepmania full DDR release song packs from 2002. I'm guessing that means ALL of those soundpacks replicated the incorrect quantization? I distinctly remember that Ordinary World one and I always wondered why it felt off to play.
Yes, most definitely. Especially the older mixes. Everything DDR Extreme and up got fixed after the release of DDR SN2 and X if I recall correctly.
@@ManiacStepper So if I want to get a Stepmania song pack that has the fixed steps from DDR X for older songs I'm assuming I just have to look for something newer online?
Also thanks for responding. Your video showed up on an Ordinary World song video... I was getting nostalgic and listened to that and the algorithm blessed me with your vid.
My state had a lot of converted DDR USA to DDR 8th Extreme JP machines. That's where I stopped playing. It looks like I have a lot of catching up to do with the later mixes. Did the Western/SEA releases differ from the JP releases? I am mainly familiar with 8th Extreme JP on both the arcade and PS2 being the last one I played l.
I'm pretty sure you could find everything in Zenius-i-vanisher.com
@@ManiacStepper Thank you sir. Back in my day it was Bemanistyle lol
also keep in mind Ballad for You was on DDR Ultramix 1 before it used tha Festival which completely changed tha chart and was cared over to SuperNOVA and Beyond
Gotcha and Don't try to stop it
I thought about adding gotcha but I didn't found the steps with the quantization. Chris agreed with the list so I discarded it.
Can you make a video on tips for playing doubles? 👀
I feel proficient at singles now but I want to make that next step and it’s a bit rough.
Alright! Let's make it happen!
You have to forget everything you learned from singles, spins and rotation of the body works completely differently in doubles. Learning the cross patterns from pad to pad is the hardest part, I'd suggest songs like Jane Jana for crossing over, things like Sexy Planet NSMM for jumping across the middle.
@@firewindentertainment Classics like Brilliant 2U on Double Maniac/Heavy is mad fun too.
The first ddr game was really off beat, hope they rebooted the 3rd mix
I'd say everything before 5th mix was terrible, mostly because of the system used to run the games. Frame rate too
I'd also like to bring up SWING IT in DDR 5th Mix.
One that is extremely annoying is the slow down on the legend of max for extreme. Its slightly off if you listen to the clap and caused me to flag it several times in the past
You're absolutely right. It wasn't quantized correctly in DDR Extreme and Supernova, even SN2 iirc but it got fixed in DDR X
Welcome back! 🙂
Thank you! Let's see if I stay 🤣
Crazy Control Expert on HOTTEST PARTY 3 has weird quantization errors at the ending where the normal 12th notes it has are replaced by nearest 32nds and 16ths. This was like done to keep the steps in rhythm with the vocals, but that alone makes it a bit more difficult to PFC but it's definitely doable (if you PFC without gimmicks it's an AA, with gimmicks it's an AAA since Crazy Control requires gimmicks to properly AAA). Surprisingly, the DDR X2 US CS expert chart still has the proper 12ths.
Timestamped to show the quantization errors.
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Another thing:
This could possibly be because of a quirk with HOTTEST PARTY 3's engine, since it was mostly modified from HP2 which had mostly had the old sync prior to DDR X.
Another song I would like to mention is the original Expert and Difficult charts for The Island Song from DDR 2010. The original charts had the 24th triplets mischarted as 16ths, making the rhythm sound strange but relatively easy to PFC. Difficult doesn't have much problems, but it's mostly well seen on Expert. These charts were later fixed in DDR 2013, where they used proper 24ths. Although I will have to say that the ending jump is a bit more difficult on the fixed version, but still an easy PFC to get.
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Another song I know with quantization issues:
MATSURI (J-Summer Mix) in DDR Festival also has quantization issues everywhere, mostly incorrect inputs. Most of the notes were 16ths or 8ths. Although the chart was fixed in DDR Supernova, it's slightly different compared to Festival's, especially at the long freeze arrow sequence in the middle where some of the notes were removed which is a shame.
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This is awesome, thanks for posting
Misuse of a comma.
Then is no Error of Original Konami Step chat from the Licent Music and the member of stuff member from the Benami Team.The old and Original Step chat from Konami.The player no dissapoint to all cost and keep your mind about a step,There is a Timing,Rhythm and Move of the skill!