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  • @ketrinajames3165
    @ketrinajames3165 Рік тому +66

    If God say that a woman shouldn't be that head her own house why would he give premission to be the head of his Church As a seventh day Adventist I totally disagree with woman heading any church 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

    • @rubywedderburn9487
      @rubywedderburn9487 Рік тому +8

      👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
      That's definitely Strong Reasoning and I totally agree with you 👍🏾👍🏾

    • @KarlaBedminister
      @KarlaBedminister 10 місяців тому +1

      Did he say that single men should be heads of houses? Our district had single young men from teen years as elders instead of calling them elder in training which is what they were. We had an influx of single male pastors as well and the older women and some single men disagreed with that.

    • @BEvans7
      @BEvans7 7 місяців тому

      ordaining women as deacons, elders or pastors isn't biblical.
      1 Timothy 3
      3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
      2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
      3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
      4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
      5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
      6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
      7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
      8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
      9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
      10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
      11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
      12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
      13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
      King James Version
      34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
      35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
      You either follow the word of God or you follow your own lusts.

    • @cornelpopa2804
      @cornelpopa2804 6 місяців тому +1

      THIS WILL DIVIDE THE CHURCH BE AWERE

    • @sOnlight67
      @sOnlight67 6 місяців тому +1

      Amen!

  • @soniapeart8756
    @soniapeart8756 Рік тому +52

    Our duty as God's vessels (women ) is to help others get ready for Christ Jesus' second coming starting in our homes and not necessarily from the pulpit . 😮😮😮

    • @DVGomes
      @DVGomes Рік тому +12

      Thank you my Sister in Christ and fellow SDA. I believe that the Bible and Spirit of PROPHECY teach that woman can do many many important things as Christians and Seventh day Adventists to 1. SHARE JESUS CHRIST with others 2. Share, Study and Teach The Bible with others, not of our faith and with unbelievers altogether. Ellen G White a true Prophet of JESUS Christ did not ask to "be ordained as Pastor of the Seventh day Adventist Church" But guided by The Holy Spirit, and JESUS Himself, EGW spoke authoritatively and PREACHED THE WORD OF GOD with power, without being "ordained as a Pastor or Elder or Minister of the Gospel" which God has set up for men to do.

    • @buddybentley3790
      @buddybentley3790 Рік тому +1

      As far as I’m concerned that a much higher calling

    • @soniapeart8756
      @soniapeart8756 Рік тому

      @buddybentley3790 There is not an higher calling for a woman than for her to lead her family to God then others and not necessarily from a pulpit .

    • @KarlaBedminister
      @KarlaBedminister Рік тому +1

      ​@@DVGomesSo why do the job without the title? So as not to ruffle men's feathers because they want titles to boost their egos? Pastors' wives are called Sister Pastor or Shepherdess for what reason?

    • @KarlaBedminister
      @KarlaBedminister Рік тому +1

      ​@@soniapeart8756Isn't the same for a man? Shouldn't he be the head of his home leading his wife and children to the Lord as opposed to leaving it up to his wife to do because he couldn't be bothered but he needs the title to improve himself?

  • @SMck-j5s
    @SMck-j5s Рік тому +71

    Women can be teachers ,leaders and many things.They don't need to be pastors or elders to minister to people.We are supposed to follow the Bible. This shouldn't even be an issue at all.

    • @aganese4030
      @aganese4030 Рік тому +8

      Amen! To God be the ruler and the giver of rules we are to follow, For a reason, We should not question His leadership. Don't forget He is our Creator. there are things God show us He wants us to know and do, but some are not for us to know, God knows us better, then we do.i personally don't eccept women in a role of pastor or elders, a woman prophet it's different, God pick them. God is our Creator and Ruler, amen.

    • @franktorres9373
      @franktorres9373 Рік тому +2

      Amen, Bro....
      The Church is making it an issue because they fail to get out in front of these man-made opinions of society.

    • @MizduhQuak
      @MizduhQuak Рік тому +2

      Friends, please prayerfully consider. Biblically, women have often lead in leadership and spiritual roles.
      Deborah was Israel’s leader in every regard: judge, military leader, and spokesperson for God (Prophetess) - Judges 4-5.
      Huldah was a prophet mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in 2 Kings 22:14-20 and 2 Chronicles 34:22-28. She was a prophetess. The king sends people to inquire of the Lord; they inquire to Huldah. She spoke for the Lord to the King, just as Isaiah and Ezekiel did (Isa. 37, Eze. 20).
      Junia, a female apostle, is called “outstanding among the apostles” by Paul (Romans 16:7). Chrysostom, Origen, and Jerome also refer to her as a female apostle.
      Phoebe (Romans 16:1-2) is another “minister” (Greek: diakonos) and “church leader” (Greek: prostatis/proistanai) in the NT, written of again by Paul. These are the same terms Paul uses for male ministers and church leaders. As seen in Romans 16:1-2, she conducted church business.
      Below are more women leading churches, however here I will make a point. Historically, women have been regarded below men in society, however this is a cultural stance rather than a biblical one. It was a Samaritan woman Jesus used to convert the whole region. Recall that Jesus suggested Martha leave the kitchen and food prep, rather than go and do it as a traditional women's role. Women's cultural historical role is shown to be at odds with women's role in God's eyes:
      Matt 19:4-5
      “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?”
      Matt 19:8
      Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.”
      It is the same reason why a woman was made to drink a 'bitter' dirty drink in front of the priest and her husband to prove marital purity rather than adultery in the OT - because Women would be mistreated or even killed by the men, which was not extreme in their eyes; God provided this act for their protection.
      Above, Jesus makes a two-fold statement; the disregard for women is not God's plan, and male and female together become one; unified. If they are unified, and called one by God, who of mankind can segregate one as fit for service and another unfit?
      Continuing with women in spiritual and/or political leadership, Ellen G White is our SDA-accepted Prophetess. Whether one regards her as a prophet, or merely a christian writer, she delivered more sermons than most pastors in their lifetimes, written more in her life than any other Christian author, and influenced more people spiritually in the last couple of centuries than any other writer could ever imagine to, save for the bible authors themselves.
      EGW Preached, held visitations, gave spiritual advice, directed individuals and church leaders, held people accountable to God, interpreted and guided interpreting of the bible, established churches, and participated in as well as represented for matters in our churches councils. She's a major contributor to our church manual by which SDA pastors today operate. That places her authority above theirs, and they would all acknowledge this. EGW herself has performed every capacity of a pastor, to a very high degree. All that remains is to simply call her "pastor", and she would be one in the fullest sense. Who then is saying that women can not be pastors, and by what means?
      Yet we continue with a biblical argument, for any that question EGW's calling.
      Huldah was a prophet mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in 2 Kings 22:14-20 and 2 Chronicles 34:22-28. She was a prophetess. The king sends people to inquire of the Lord; they inquire to Huldah. She spoke for the Lord to the King, just as Isaiah and Ezekiel did (Isa. 37, Eze. 20).
      Euodia and Syntyche, two women, are recorded on equal standing as Clement (a 1st century church leader) and even Paul, by Paul himself (Phil 4:2-3).
      Queen Esther was placed as leader of God’s people at a crucial time as the book tells.
      Acts 21:9 “And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.” 4th century Church Historian Eusebius mentions the fame of these daughters multiple times.
      Priscilla, wife of Aquilla, is mentioned first by Paul in 4 of 6 mentions; in a society that otherwise rarely will acknowledge women, this implies greater standing. She held churches in her home as a leader. Likewise Nympha led a church in her home (Col. 4:15) John addresses another woman of similar position (2 John 1:1, 13).
      There are many other prophetesses in the bible, especially the OT, which I have not mentioned. There are also multiple instances of women leaders who have spoken to God's leaders, on God's behalf, and directed or rebuked them. Wise women have saved towns and cities from destruction as recorded in the bible. For women to be recorded in scripture, despite the culture being so against women, is a very strong statement.
      Eph 4:11-12
      “So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up”
      Women are part of the body of Christ.
      Biblically,
      Can a woman lead? Yes.
      Can she be a spiritual guide? Yes.
      Can she instruct? Yes.
      Can she encourage? Yes.
      Can she give council? Yes.
      Can she visit church members or the sick? Yes.
      Can she give to the needy? Yes.
      Can she host church meetings? Yes.
      Can she be called an 'overseer', 'apostle', 'minister'? Yes, and women have these titles throughout the bible - these are the exact roles of pastors today.
      Thus, a woman can biblically be a pastor.
      If you systematically assess every role which a pastor can do, you will find biblical accounts of women performing every same role. We are unveiling new light from God's word, as EGW said would come.
      Gal 3:28
      “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
      Joel 2:28 “And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.” (Also Acts 2:17).

    • @mandladludlu8359
      @mandladludlu8359 Рік тому

      It should not be an issue at all. I concur & I grew up Roman Catholic and the Catholics have this very clear it is not an issue for debate at all........

    • @Greermac1
      @Greermac1 Рік тому +1

      Paul speaks about this!!!

  • @kew3922
    @kew3922 Рік тому +77

    I agree with Pastor Finley. Women throught out the church history have been used by God in various ways, but never as a leader of a flock. Men have their roles and women have theirs. This is my opinion as a woman. I believe men were created to be head of the family as well as the church.

    • @percilitomacumbo3023
      @percilitomacumbo3023 Рік тому +1

      Try reading Galatians 3:28

    • @antoniodevilla5926
      @antoniodevilla5926 Рік тому +8

      Gal 3:28 It has nothing to say about women ordination but there is neither a greek or jew when it comes to faith and being counted as children of God.

    • @franktorres9373
      @franktorres9373 Рік тому +5

      Did you also hear him say on a Q & A platform. That women as Elders in the church is not a hill for him to die on. This is just another form of roll reversal. These individuals need to stick to The Bible and let the chips fall where they fall.

    • @bradrininger848
      @bradrininger848 Рік тому

      @franktorres9373 I agree with true word of God. The pressures of this world should never be given an inch. The repercussions of this solid stand are definitely controlled by the Holy Spirit. We can never try to protect ourselves from the trials and persecution the Holy Spirit wishes to put us through by comprising with the world. This is Luke warm and provides opportunity for satan to influence. Jesus died on the cross completely. He decended into Hell completely. He arose on the 3rd day completely. There is no compromise.
      Stand for Christ with all we have and all we our.
      Even unto death.
      Thank you
      Braddon

    • @MizduhQuak
      @MizduhQuak Рік тому +2

      Friend, that is untrue. I appreciate gender roles in society, however biblically, women have often lead in leadership and spiritual roles.
      Deborah was Israel’s leader in every regard: judge, military leader, and spokesperson for God (Prophetess) - Judges 4-5.
      Huldah was a prophet mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in 2 Kings 22:14-20 and 2 Chronicles 34:22-28. She was a prophetess. The king sends people to inquire of the Lord; they inquire to Huldah. She spoke for the Lord to the King, just as Isaiah and Ezekiel did (Isa. 37, Eze. 20).
      Junia, a female apostle, is called “outstanding among the apostles” by Paul (Romans 16:7). Chrysostom, Origen, and Jerome also refer to her as a female apostle.
      Phoebe (Romans 16:1-2) is another “minister” (Greek: diakonos) and “church leader” (Greek: prostatis/proistanai) in the NT, written of again by Paul. These are the same terms Paul uses for male ministers and church leaders. As seen in Romans 16:1-2, she conducted church business.
      Below are more women leading churches, however here I will make a point. Historically, women have been regarded below men in society, however this is a cultural stance rather than a biblical one. It was a Samaritan woman Jesus used to convert the whole region. Recall that Jesus suggested Martha leave the kitchen and food prep, rather than go and do it as a traditional women's role. Women's cultural historical role is shown to be at odds with women's role in God's eyes:
      Matt 19:4-5
      “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?”
      Matt 19:8
      Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.”
      It is the same reason why a woman was made to drink a 'bitter' dirty drink in front of the priest and her husband to prove marital purity rather than adultery in the OT - because Women would be mistreated or even killed by the men, which was not extreme in their eyes; God provided this act for their protection.
      Above, Jesus makes a two-fold statement; the disregard for women is not God's plan, and male and female together become one; unified. If they are unified, and called one by God, who of mankind can segregate one as fit for service and another unfit?
      Continuing with women in spiritual and/or political leadership, Ellen G White is our SDA-accepted Prophetess. Whether one regards her as a prophet, or merely a christian writer, she delivered more sermons than most pastors in their lifetimes, written more in her life than any other Christian author, and influenced more people spiritually in the last couple of centuries than any other writer could ever imagine to, save for the bible authors themselves.
      EGW Preached, held visitations, gave spiritual advice, directed individuals and church leaders, held people accountable to God, interpreted and guided interpreting of the bible, established churches, and participated in as well as represented for matters in our churches councils. She's a major contributor to our church manual by which SDA pastors today operate. That places her authority above theirs, and they would all acknowledge this. EGW herself has performed every capacity of a pastor, to a very high degree. All that remains is to simply call her "pastor", and she would be one in the fullest sense. Who then is saying that women can not be pastors, and by what means?
      Yet we continue with a biblical argument, for any that question EGW's calling.
      Huldah was a prophet mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in 2 Kings 22:14-20 and 2 Chronicles 34:22-28. She was a prophetess. The king sends people to inquire of the Lord; they inquire to Huldah. She spoke for the Lord to the King, just as Isaiah and Ezekiel did (Isa. 37, Eze. 20).
      Euodia and Syntyche, two women, are recorded on equal standing as Clement (a 1st century church leader) and even Paul, by Paul himself (Phil 4:2-3).
      Queen Esther was placed as leader of God’s people at a crucial time as the book tells.
      Acts 21:9 “And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.” 4th century Church Historian Eusebius mentions the fame of these daughters multiple times.
      Priscilla, wife of Aquilla, is mentioned first by Paul in 4 of 6 mentions; in a society that otherwise rarely will acknowledge women, this implies greater standing. She held churches in her home as a leader. Likewise Nympha led a church in her home (Col. 4:15) John addresses another woman of similar position (2 John 1:1, 13).
      There are many other prophetesses in the bible, especially the OT, which I have not mentioned. There are also multiple instances of women leaders who have spoken to God's leaders, on God's behalf, and directed or rebuked them. Wise women have saved towns and cities from destruction as recorded in the bible. For women to be recorded in scripture, despite the culture being so against women, is a very strong statement.
      Eph 4:11-12
      “So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up”
      Women are part of the body of Christ.
      Biblically,
      Can a woman lead? Yes.
      Can she be a spiritual guide? Yes.
      Can she instruct? Yes.
      Can she encourage? Yes.
      Can she give council? Yes.
      Can she visit church members or the sick? Yes.
      Can she give to the needy? Yes.
      Can she host church meetings? Yes.
      Can she be called an 'overseer', 'apostle', 'minister'? Yes, and women have these titles throughout the bible - these are the exact roles of pastors today.
      If you systematically assess every role which a pastor can do, you will find biblical accounts of women performing every same role. We are unveiling new light from God's word, as EGW said would come.
      Gal 3:28
      “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
      Joel 2:28 “And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.” (Also Acts 2:17).

  • @bjccook1352
    @bjccook1352 Рік тому +57

    I watched the vote and they prayed for the HOLY SPIRIT to speak through the vote....HE spoke and the vote was no! I am a woman and we need to follow the HOLY SPIRIT or we will remain unsealed.

    • @bjccook1352
      @bjccook1352 Рік тому

      @@davidinchcliff4560 we have baby Christians who are still learning their Bibles who are being misled by corrupt leaders. There can be on doubt in their minds now.

    • @LewinMellinese
      @LewinMellinese Рік тому +6

      @@_SDC EXACTLY. The Spirit speaketh expressly - through Scriptures.

    • @LewinMellinese
      @LewinMellinese Рік тому +2

      @@davidinchcliff4560 EXACTLY. The Spirit speaketh expressly - through Scriptures.

    • @LewinMellinese
      @LewinMellinese Рік тому +6

      Whenever the GC makes decisions that line up with Scriptures? It is the voice of God. When its not? Thats the subtle serpent. The same is true for every professed messenger of God.

  • @lydiapavao469
    @lydiapavao469 Рік тому +10

    i have never read in the bible that women should be ordained as pastor

  • @Knife_Collector
    @Knife_Collector Рік тому +28

    Love Bro. Mark. I am not SDA but am a Sabbath Keeper.. and have learned a lot from his videos.

    • @linnettecooke7243
      @linnettecooke7243 Рік тому +1

      What do you mean u are not SDA but u is a Sabbath keeper????u don't believe in the second coming of God ?

    • @StevenDragoo
      @StevenDragoo Рік тому +1

      I would encourage you to watch some of Pr Mark Finley's sermons. He is well received in many many hearts...

    • @TeStOs78
      @TeStOs78 Рік тому +2

      @@linnettecooke7243 Remember, as an SDA, there much more to just believing in the second coming and keeping the sabbath. The person doesn't necessarily believe in the other doctrines of the church.

    • @gailmiller6333
      @gailmiller6333 Рік тому

      @Knife_Collector
      Same hereI, belong to the Church of God 7th Day.

    • @Knife_Collector
      @Knife_Collector Рік тому

      @@gailmiller6333 Me too...

  • @andrewh6367
    @andrewh6367 Рік тому +9

    Any SDA church that decides to have female ordained pastors will be following the slippery slope of some other denominations in the last decade or so. These denominations went from women pastors to accepting gay marriage and then having LGBT pastors to trans. You just need to look at what the other churches did.

  • @timothyblackman2617
    @timothyblackman2617 Рік тому +13

    Standing for Jesus will always bring division. The thing is to stand on the Lords side no matter what.

  • @MilaDymanMusic
    @MilaDymanMusic Рік тому +6

    The whole scripture Holy Spirit Inspired correct ? - We Believe Yes. There should not be any confusion, we have to learn to be reverent not taking Holy Scripture lightly and for our own leadership desires.
    2 Timothy 2:11-says: “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”
    As a woman and mother, I can say we have many other talents, ways we can serve others, and not following worldly ideology. 🙏

  • @clauc3598
    @clauc3598 Рік тому +3

    I love with the respect that Pastor Finley talked about the subject, I worked with him and his wife for the last 6 years, and he is a Godly man.

    • @BroLawrence.
      @BroLawrence.  Рік тому

      Great 👍

    • @bobreese4807
      @bobreese4807 Рік тому

      Hey SDA members--I know you are disappointed and/or embarrassed by SDA nonsense associated with leaders and pastors. I get it. I've been going to church for 70 years. SDA Dan & Revelation seminars are basically religious BAIT & SWITCH programs to get people to join SDA Laodiceans and after they are in church they are criticized, by inept, poorly trained SDA pastors, for being tithe robbing, sabbath slacking, love-lacking, lazy, lousy lukewarm Laodicean LOSERS! Then after they have been berated, they are told to "finish the work" and tell everyone the "3 angels messages" to scare them with mark of the beast, Sunday law, close of probation, death decree and last plagues. Soooo do you really care if the SDA denomination CRASHES & BURNS??? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?? HUH?? Reply to this and I can teach you how to make a positive difference in this world & really be SALT & LIGHT...and have a real purpose for your life!!

  • @mbuyiselolandu8296
    @mbuyiselolandu8296 3 місяці тому +1

    Good day Bro Lawrence. I am confused about the topic of ordination. I fully agree with the decision by GC not to ordain women as Pastors. my question is, if women are comisioned to hold the same office of Pastoring with the same duties as ordained Male Pastors, then what is the whole difference about?

  • @bendiaz4828
    @bendiaz4828 Рік тому +29

    Position oriented people. They don't care about the possible consequences even if it can cause divisions inside the church. What they care about is themselves and the title even if it's not meant for them biblically. What a disgrace.

    • @abrahammusomali9126
      @abrahammusomali9126 Рік тому

      AMEN

    • @mikemlambo6773
      @mikemlambo6773 Рік тому

      Amen

    • @aganese4030
      @aganese4030 Рік тому +3

      Amen. The title is satanic, Satan want the title, he want to be God, us women are never satisfied with the role God gave us.
      Genesis 3;16 Unto the women He said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; AND THY DESIRE SHALL BE TO THY HUSBAND, AND HE SHALL RULE OVER THEE.
      This punishment was given when Eve make her first and last decision making that was written in the bible, and the devastating results was and it has an eternal consiquences for others against God's plan for His perfect creation, God knew that we can't control ourselves when comes to decisions making, first of all, we were created as a helper, Genesis 2;20 And Adam gave name to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found a helper meet for him.
      If we notice God created everything, Adam was given the honour of naming God's creation, and Eve was an afterthough? we as women were created as a helper, we can think of a lots of things we do to help, God gave us a great gift of nurturing that most man don't have, we always refer to as mother's instinct, God bless us mothers that gift for our role of helping man in God creation. In the bible, men are the head of the family, the Patriarch, never a woman, the patriarchal system was from God, we forget something,
      REVELATION 4;11 Thou art worthy, O LORD, to receive glory and honour and power; for Thou has created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
      God creation been destroyed by sin as a result of Eve decisions, God still reaching out his love to us, sent Jesus to die for us, to bring us back because we belong to God from the very beginning, but we don't get it, we keep on pushing Eve against God's will.and plan, a title truly in the hand of the wrong man or woman it becombe a very dangerous weapon of destruction,
      We are happier, safer, healthier, and in peace when God is our only ruler, amen hallelujah amen. God bless.

  • @stellauchenna6991
    @stellauchenna6991 Рік тому +24

    Women need not fight over being a pastor or elderess and so on, in order to make impacts and use the spiritual gifts we are given. There are lots of ways to serve God and work towards our salvation and unity of the church. Let us not allow ourselves to become tools of division and confusion in the house of God.

    • @LewinMellinese
      @LewinMellinese Рік тому +6

      Dont remember where i read it, but EGW said that if women focus on teaching the children and our young women, as well as witnessing, they would have done a work so valuable as any other in ministry or even the critical work. Its our leaders double standards that are sewing discord. It is the equality act and fairness for all, government policies that 501c3 organizations, which the GC Corporation is that. And its these same policies that the LGBT hinge their entitlement claims on as any other.

    • @LewinMellinese
      @LewinMellinese Рік тому +3

      @jacquelynjackson95 Smile. Serious thing.

    • @shumbashava247
      @shumbashava247 Рік тому +1

      I agree my dear,let them grow together,the devils job is to make sure he opposes everything God says

    • @percilitomacumbo3023
      @percilitomacumbo3023 Рік тому

      Where is equality? Gal.3:28

    • @LewinMellinese
      @LewinMellinese Рік тому

      @@percilitomacumbo3023 I know the text but i am trying to understand what you are asking?

  • @markharris3135
    @markharris3135 Рік тому +2

    All I heard from him was about what the GC said, with the objective of avoiding division. We should be looking to God's Word and all, including the GC, should be following it.

  • @rodneysmith3578
    @rodneysmith3578 Рік тому +5

    It is wrong for the Brethren to do it and it is also wrong for the Sister to receive it, knowing that the World body of SDA's have spoken against this move.

  • @vangiemorgan6756
    @vangiemorgan6756 Рік тому +6

    Just show me one place in the Bible where women were elders , priest. As elder she would have to do baptism, we are one set of hard headed stiff necked people, now I can understand what Moses went through with the children of Israel in the wilderness. Lord just pray for me like you prayed for Peter so the devil will not sift me, and those who want to follow your words.

  • @simeondikama1562
    @simeondikama1562 Рік тому +4

    All ministers involved should be disciplined including others church Leaders in that church. All other SDA Churches in the world should not allow ordination of women because it creates double standard. Pr. Finley is right in this issue.

  • @TonyOnyango-df6cp
    @TonyOnyango-df6cp Рік тому +3

    It is shocking that there are women ordained as local church elders and shepherds

  • @rossilett4284
    @rossilett4284 Рік тому +13

    from New South Wales Australia. I can't believe that women have the ordasity to be ordained when the church has not voted for same, and leaders promoting the practice!

    • @stevekimani7954
      @stevekimani7954 Рік тому +2

      Very truth

    • @MizduhQuak
      @MizduhQuak Рік тому +1

      Biblically, women have often lead in leadership and spiritual roles.
      Deborah was Israel’s leader in every regard: judge, military leader, and spokesperson for God (Prophetess) - Judges 4-5.
      Huldah was a prophet mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in 2 Kings 22:14-20 and 2 Chronicles 34:22-28. She was a prophetess. The king sends people to inquire of the Lord; they inquire to Huldah. She spoke for the Lord to the King, just as Isaiah and Ezekiel did (Isa. 37, Eze. 20).
      Junia, a female apostle, is called “outstanding among the apostles” by Paul (Romans 16:7). Chrysostom, Origen, and Jerome also refer to her as a female apostle.
      Phoebe (Romans 16:1-2) is another “minister” (Greek: diakonos) and “church leader” (Greek: prostatis/proistanai) in the NT, written of again by Paul. These are the same terms Paul uses for male ministers and church leaders. As seen in Romans 16:1-2, she conducted church business.
      Below are more women leading churches, however here I will make a point. Historically, women have been regarded below men in society, however this is a cultural stance rather than a biblical one. It was a Samaritan woman Jesus used to convert the whole region. Recall that Jesus suggested Martha leave the kitchen and food prep, rather than go and do it as a traditional women's role. Women's cultural historical role is shown to be at odds with women's role in God's eyes:
      Matt 19:4-5
      “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?”
      Matt 19:8
      Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.”
      It is the same reason why a woman was made to drink a 'bitter' dirty drink in front of the priest and her husband to prove marital purity rather than adultery in the OT - because Women would be mistreated or even killed by the men, which was not extreme in their eyes; God provided this act for their protection.
      Above, Jesus makes a two-fold statement; the disregard for women is not God's plan, and male and female together become one; unified. If they are unified, and called one by God, who of mankind can segregate one as fit for service and another unfit?
      Continuing with women in spiritual and/or political leadership, Ellen G White is our SDA-accepted Prophetess. Whether one regards her as a prophet, or merely a christian writer, she delivered more sermons than most pastors in their lifetimes, written more in her life than any other Christian author, and influenced more people spiritually in the last couple of centuries than any other writer could ever imagine to, save for the bible authors themselves.
      EGW Preached, held visitations, gave spiritual advice, directed individuals and church leaders, held people accountable to God, interpreted and guided interpreting of the bible, established churches, and participated in as well as represented for matters in our churches councils. She's a major contributor to our church manual by which SDA pastors today operate. That places her authority above theirs, and they would all acknowledge this. EGW herself has performed every capacity of a pastor, to a very high degree. All that remains is to simply call her "pastor", and she would be one in the fullest sense. Who then is saying that women can not be pastors, and by what means?
      Yet we continue with a biblical argument, for any that question EGW's calling.
      Huldah was a prophet mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in 2 Kings 22:14-20 and 2 Chronicles 34:22-28. She was a prophetess. The king sends people to inquire of the Lord; they inquire to Huldah. She spoke for the Lord to the King, just as Isaiah and Ezekiel did (Isa. 37, Eze. 20).
      Euodia and Syntyche, two women, are recorded on equal standing as Clement (a 1st century church leader) and even Paul, by Paul himself (Phil 4:2-3).
      Queen Esther was placed as leader of God’s people at a crucial time as the book tells.
      Acts 21:9 “And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.” 4th century Church Historian Eusebius mentions the fame of these daughters multiple times.
      Priscilla, wife of Aquilla, is mentioned first by Paul in 4 of 6 mentions; in a society that otherwise rarely will acknowledge women, this implies greater standing. She held churches in her home as a leader. Likewise Nympha led a church in her home (Col. 4:15) John addresses another woman of similar position (2 John 1:1, 13).
      There are many other prophetesses in the bible, especially the OT, which I have not mentioned. There are also multiple instances of women leaders who have spoken to God's leaders, on God's behalf, and directed or rebuked them. Wise women have saved towns and cities from destruction as recorded in the bible. For women to be recorded in scripture, despite the culture being so against women, is a very strong statement.
      Eph 4:11-12
      “So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up”
      Women are part of the body of Christ.
      Biblically,
      Can a woman lead? Yes.
      Can she be a spiritual guide? Yes.
      Can she instruct? Yes.
      Can she encourage? Yes.
      Can she give council? Yes.
      Can she visit church members or the sick? Yes.
      Can she give to the needy? Yes.
      Can she host church meetings? Yes.
      Can she be called an 'overseer', 'apostle', 'minister'? Yes, and women have these titles throughout the bible - these are the exact roles of pastors today.
      Thus, a woman can biblically be a pastor.
      If you systematically assess every role which a pastor can do, you will find biblical accounts of women performing every same role. We are unveiling new light from God's word, as EGW said would come.
      Gal 3:28
      “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
      Joel 2:28 “And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.” (Also Acts 2:17).

    • @rossilett4284
      @rossilett4284 Рік тому

      That is all very well BUT the church has not voted for it!

    • @MizduhQuak
      @MizduhQuak Рік тому

      ​@@rossilett4284 Certainly, however the church has no authority over scripture or God.
      1 Peter 2:1-10 makes it clear:
      "But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light." (v9). Surely we are not to pick and choose scriptures to apply only to men?
      There are valid and true witnesses and ministers who are not ordained by the SDA organisation - and I am talking about fellow believers who have positive relationships with us and do much good, not troublemakers.
      Moreover, other denominations have true ministers who are adamant for God's word - how might one otherwise understand God calling "come out of her, my people", if they are not actually God's people?
      Our SDA organisation has no say in one's calling by God, only in whether they want to pay them for it. Rather, after the organisation is convinced of new light, then it approves. Its voted approval is the last step of the process - not the first.
      Might we learn from Jesus' rebuke to God's leading people of the time, whom we are in the place of right now?
      Matthew 17:17
      "Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you?"
      Mark 7:8-9
      You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions. And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!"
      Joshua 24:15
      “Choose this day whom you will serve ... but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord”.
      In closing, there are pastors ordained in SDA churches who are not called by God, or have foregone their calling. Others work tirelessly for God, but were not offered an income as an SDA pastor. Heaven's record cares for your actions of faith, in truth and spirit, as your act of worship (John 4:24); not whether man approved and employed you. Let us all have our priorities of authority straight.

  • @EliosPierre
    @EliosPierre Рік тому +6

    If you have a female holding an eldership position in a local church, that means she has already been ordained as such.

    • @franktorres9373
      @franktorres9373 Рік тому +2

      That is NOT biblical. That means they laid hands on her.

  • @janiceeteme5536
    @janiceeteme5536 Рік тому +7

    Praise God! Thank you again Pastor Finley

  • @nannatteirving1378
    @nannatteirving1378 Рік тому +3

    I believe obedience is a very hard thing when we are not focused on the word and if we cannot obey who we can see how are we going to obey God whom we cannot see,this is not about us as individual it’s about the head as in the conference so we must understand.If we are zealous for winning souls for the kingdom we have to understand that obedience is the key.This is not politics so let us not behave like the world we must take order from the conference as they take it from the word and present it remember we did say I will when we were coming into the body of SDA .Thank you much for hearing me out may God’s grace continues to lead us into the path we must follow.

    • @danielfontenot4476
      @danielfontenot4476 Рік тому

      To say that we are to obey the Conference in all things is nothing but Papal doctrine. "YE SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME" saith the Lord.

  • @SolomonSaifa
    @SolomonSaifa 6 місяців тому +2

    Our church is divided completely come out of her and be separated don't compromise the truth with Era. Please GOD HELP US

  • @FollowGodsWord
    @FollowGodsWord Рік тому +5

    Well said Bro Lawrence and Pastor Mark Finley!

  • @brennancumberbatch1571
    @brennancumberbatch1571 Рік тому +6

    Brother Lawrence you made me laugh today 😂😂....that face you did...after she said "I do".

    • @antoniodevilla5926
      @antoniodevilla5926 Рік тому +1

      The ordination of that woman did not exemplify the sacredness and solemnity of ordination. To me it seems to be outright rebellion of World church leadership.

  • @BlakeRobert777
    @BlakeRobert777 Рік тому +4

    Please SDA Church, where we we heading

    • @bobreese4807
      @bobreese4807 Рік тому

      Remember GIDEON story??? Too many saints in SDA not ready for battle. SDA is proud and gets glory, NOT GOD. SHAKE SHAKE

  • @EliosPierre
    @EliosPierre Рік тому +6

    Ordination, according to many, is a matter of policy, but rather let me say it is doctrinal. When you argue ordination of women has not been voted by the GC in general assembly, you give to that body preeminence over the Bible. There’s no place in the Bible where one woman has been ordained for whatever function.

    • @odanee.mighty2256
      @odanee.mighty2256 Рік тому

      Using this same line of reasoning, which man was ordained in the bible and were the apostles ordained and what does if mean to be ordained

    • @odanee.mighty2256
      @odanee.mighty2256 Рік тому

      Using this same line of reasoning, which man was ordained in the bible and were the apostles ordained and what does if mean to be ordained

  • @joanprince8083
    @joanprince8083 Рік тому +5

    Confusion in the church

    • @bobreese4807
      @bobreese4807 Рік тому

      Confusion leads to discord...SATAN loves that! GOD hates it.

  • @lynnlance351
    @lynnlance351 Рік тому +1

    Where was mark Finley or the GC when it all started??

  • @tprb1023fm
    @tprb1023fm Рік тому +6

    The question should be does The God of Heaven and Earth Approves The Ordination of Women In The SDA Church?

  • @bobreese4807
    @bobreese4807 Рік тому +4

    It has often been presented to me that there should be LESS SERMONIZING by MINISTERSs, acting merely as local pastors of churches, and that greater personal efforts should be put forth. Our people should not be made to think that they need to listen to a sermon every Sabbath. Many who listen frequently to sermons, even though the truth be presented in clear lines, LEARN BUT LITTLE. Often it would be more profitable if the Sabbath meetings were of the nature of a Bible-class study. 21 LtMs Lt 192

    • @headcovering782
      @headcovering782 Рік тому

      Kindly give me the eg white reference where you get this quote. I'm note sure I know what Lt ms is??😅

    • @bobreese4807
      @bobreese4807 Рік тому +1

      @@headcovering782 Thanks for the interest. ..Letters and manuscripts Letter 192. It is also in Evangelism P 348 which is easier to find for some who have just books. Let me know if you interact with any SDA big shots...the leadership and education approach are way behind in quality control. They talk about finishing the work???

  • @user-de6nc8er8s
    @user-de6nc8er8s Рік тому +2

    Went to church service the other day where the female assistant pastor and the female elder blessed two babies. Are the babies really blessed?

    • @martinlohne5128
      @martinlohne5128 Рік тому

      Tell me something else. Is a person that's baptized by a women holding the illegitimate office of ordained minister or elder really baptized?

    • @headcovering782
      @headcovering782 Рік тому

      😏

  • @samuelakiri9242
    @samuelakiri9242 Рік тому +3

    AMONGST THE FIVE HOLD MINISTRIES; PROPHETS, APOSTLES, PASTORS, EVANGELISTS AND TEACHERS, in the Bible,you'll find women doing all the positions except the Pastoral duties.
    A WOMAN SHOULDN'T BE A PASTOR.

  • @DennisDakota-eq6pk
    @DennisDakota-eq6pk Рік тому +1

    Pastor Mark Finley what does God say in all this is the vote going to be above God's voice?

  • @Oscar070
    @Oscar070 Рік тому +4

    Happy Sabbath

  • @dorretteanderson4648
    @dorretteanderson4648 Рік тому +6

    Pastor Finley, please give us the BIBLICAL OF SPIRIT OF PROPHECY REVEFERENCES

    • @dorretteanderson4648
      @dorretteanderson4648 Рік тому

      What's can we find the BIBLE'S STAND ON ORDINATION OF WOMEN as ELDERS and PASTORS. Is this issue a matter of m en's choice?? Then won't we have to REVISIT the CHURCH'S STAND ON LGBT...."CHOICE"????? Where GOD CAN BE A "HE" or "SHE"!!LET'S GET BACK TO THE SANCTUARY!! THE BIBLE!! SPIRIT OF PROPHECY Was ELLEN WHITE ORDAINED??

    • @kcjoseph2838
      @kcjoseph2838 Рік тому +2

      ​@@dorretteanderson4648If sis White was a prophet, why would she be ordained 🙄

    • @martinlohne5128
      @martinlohne5128 Рік тому

      @@kcjoseph2838 She was NEVER ordained by the church. Her ordination was from God just like other women prophets.

    • @kcjoseph2838
      @kcjoseph2838 Рік тому

      @@martinlohne5128 I am completely aware of that!

  • @michaelmanso740
    @michaelmanso740 Рік тому +4

    God has not authorized women ordination period. Those Conferences doing it, are doing it on their own authority. They shouldn't quite God on this.

  • @abrahammusomali9126
    @abrahammusomali9126 Рік тому +6

    Why Was she laughing during those solemn vows it shows she didn't even understand the seriousness of her ministry , it's a disgrace God's perfect order is set at naught, this is not a minor matter in God's eyes where are real men in the church who will call sin by its rightful name without compromise , no wander our church are dying. she is even calling them to be courageous oh Lord what men are becoming in this world we don't even know our role and women there's

    • @kew3922
      @kew3922 Рік тому +1

      There are very few real men left in this world. I'm grateful the end is near.

    • @abrahammusomali9126
      @abrahammusomali9126 Рік тому

      @@kew3922 AMEN indeed it's the final hour

    • @abrahammusomali9126
      @abrahammusomali9126 Рік тому

      Amen our salvation is near than ever let's pray Christ reign in us

  • @TeStOs78
    @TeStOs78 Рік тому +5

    God has ordained the man to be the head of the woman, and Christ the head of the church, that is the structure that has been given by thus saith the Lord. One of the SDA fundamental belief is that all scripture is given by the inspiration of God, and thus, it is by the scripture where there's instruction, reproof and correction. Now, the church doesn't need a manual other than the bible, because when the policies change base on the rudiments of men, but the bible stands as the unchanging word of God. The church is in err as per the instruction from what is a biblical to its own precepts and policies. This isn't aligned with God and is a compromise, and all compromises leads to a downfall.

  • @kwamashusiwawa4970
    @kwamashusiwawa4970 Рік тому +2

    This GC of SDA is a directionless body.
    1) One of the Vice-Presidents is a woman yet they say she can NOT be the HEAD
    2)Some Conferences are ordinating women as Pastors
    It’s time for God’s people to leave this LEADERLESS CHURCH!

    • @bobreese4807
      @bobreese4807 Рік тому

      MOST SDA are bible dummies. What do you expect??

  • @thevoiceofprophecytoday
    @thevoiceofprophecytoday Рік тому +2

    WOMEN ARE THEIR OWN ENEMIES OF THIS ISSUE WHICH IS CLEARLY NOT RESTRICTED BY BIBLE. IT IS A COMMON SENSE ISSUE. Does The Holy Spirit discriminate in these gifts including Pastoral Gift???
    And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
    Ephesians:4:11-12
    SDAS must PAY women MONEY as males to get this work done, we are tired and we need to hasten the Coming of Jesus The Christ. ORDAIN WOMEN BECAUSE THE BIBLE HAS NEVER SAID DO NOT ORDAIN WOMEN!

  • @sidneyOkoro
    @sidneyOkoro 11 місяців тому +1

    Due to the fact that God speaks boldly against it just as a woman can not be the head of the family while the man is still alive,I can not accept women's ordination in the church. A woman can teach, do morning cry etc., but to usurp authority in the church over a man is what I can not accept.

  • @dorothybrown8859
    @dorothybrown8859 5 місяців тому

    A house divided cannot stand. Whether we agree or not we should stand by the vote of the GC.

  • @itzcaseykc
    @itzcaseykc Рік тому +4

    There is always going to be some local church that defies what the General Conference Session within the NAD decides on (if the decision reflects scripture). That shows their rebellion towards scripture regarding the roles that men & women should abide by in life. The same goes for the churches (i.e. in CA & NYC) who affirm or accept the gay lifestyle such people are actively involved in.
    Women pastors should *NEVER* take precedent over a male pastor... if he's available to carry out his duties for a particular day or event. A female pastor can be very helpful in women's & family ministry programs where a male pastor would not be as beneficial or comfortable having in the program. Another reason a woman pastor should *NEVER* take the place of a male pastor; because that supersedes his position and authority in the church.
    Whenever I hear of women being ordained as pastors, three things pop into my head: Women's Lib, Social Justice Warriors, and Equality. The first two are disruptive in nature while the last one is relevant. Men and women deserve equal footing in God's eyes, but the two genders have their particular roles to play in life: women are not to have the roles meant for men and vise versa.
    Women who are in the ministry, and those who support their endeavors, fail to realize that a woman is more useful & productive being the loving, nurturing, and cultivating mother of her young children than they ever could be at the pulpit. Men are to lead out in the home, if there is a father present, and in the church as well. Period.

    • @PatriciaBascombe-o7b
      @PatriciaBascombe-o7b Рік тому

      Are these women married ?

    • @itzcaseykc
      @itzcaseykc Рік тому

      @@PatriciaBascombe-o7b ...and your point is what??? We don't keep women from marrying if they choose to enter any ministry for God. That is mostly found in the Catholic Church. Some say they are reconsidering that requirement due to the many instances of molestations of young males by priests and popes, etc.

  • @NanahNam-ul8tw
    @NanahNam-ul8tw Рік тому +7

    The main duty of Women as stated by Ellen White in the book Adventist Home is to bring up children in the character of God (Christ) and you can read more in the book Adventist Home thanks ❤🎉❤❤ David from Uganda ❤ Let them also serve God but they should not to neglect their main work

    • @Helltown66
      @Helltown66 Рік тому

      i'm so sorry my country is responsible for your sexism and ignorance. Sending dumb missionaries that were too extreme even for america.

  • @maureenr1897
    @maureenr1897 8 місяців тому

    When the church meets at Conference Session and prayerfully discuss matters, are the decisions bound in Heaven? If the answer is yes, does God then agree with whoever does what is contrary?

  • @mandladludlu8359
    @mandladludlu8359 Рік тому

    This saddens me it really does. Especially because I was brought up Roman Catholic & the Catholics get this clearly that a woman cannot be a priest. See how the woman being ordained does not even recognize what a solemn responsibility this is including those ordaining her. God's word is clear. We ought not to add nor subtract from it.......

  • @shumbashava247
    @shumbashava247 Рік тому +1

    The man literally are not convinced about what they are doing and imagine she is the one being ordained and says " come on man please step up".Jesus is merciful I pray that we can all be saved ,even Catholics don't do it

  • @jaimienommik1578
    @jaimienommik1578 Рік тому +4

    Mark Finley said something but the church did something else.

    • @franktorres9373
      @franktorres9373 Рік тому +1

      He is not even on the same page. In an earlier pod- cast he said women ordained as Elders in not a hill for him to die on. What does that mean.... He is for it. I will send you the link.....

    • @danielfontenot4476
      @danielfontenot4476 Рік тому +1

      To the person who said, "Mark Finley said something but the church did something else". Please, please open your eyes. Did he not say that the leadership has already placed women in leadership positions? These women may not be ORDAINED as such, but are they not in the very positions that they would be in had they been ordained? What's the difference? I believe that Mark Finley knows exactly what he is doing and what he is saying. He has been at this game for many years. In regards to your statement, actually the church has done EXACTLY what Mark Finley wanted it to do. Remember, actions speak louder than words. Mark Finley's words mean NOTHING. His actions are what is speaking. His example is what is speaking----"Place women in positions of leadership and of power." And the churches follow suit.

  • @brennancumberbatch1571
    @brennancumberbatch1571 Рік тому +3

    But brother L, how could it not cause division? It is divided

  • @melissawalker3888
    @melissawalker3888 Рік тому +1

    Can a woman be the pastor of a congregation and not be ordained but still be the senior pastor and use the title of pastor?

  • @dedekenne2026
    @dedekenne2026 Рік тому +2

    Where are these pastors receiving their Checks from

  • @bencrawfcomrie2366
    @bencrawfcomrie2366 Рік тому

    What I heard from pastor Finlay is that on 3 occasions the leaders have voted not to move ahead with women ordination. Therefore, they are saying it is neither right nor wrong but that right now they don't see the need to move forward. Therefore, if others see the need to move forward, what is wrong? As one pastor said, a few years from now it will be the norm. So what is wrong?

    • @venitajereniah2710
      @venitajereniah2710 Рік тому

      What a question? God is a God of order. The Bible said men are the head of the home and why women have to be head of the church.? Women don't need to be head to do the Lord's work in church. There are many other areas they can work in, use their gifts, and win many souls for the kingdom of God as the Holy Spirit works on the hearts of many.

    • @martinlohne5128
      @martinlohne5128 Рік тому

      Here is what will happen. There is a BIG storm coming. There will be serious persecution. At that time when it appears the ship is sinking, those who are deliberately bringing false doctrine into God's church will abandon the ship. Persecution has always been used to cleanse God's church.

  • @donaldnarine1009
    @donaldnarine1009 6 місяців тому

    'It's not splitting the church over." It's splitting the church.

  • @glendagoss6697
    @glendagoss6697 Рік тому

    Was that the president Ted Wilson as the first speaker?

  • @LewinMellinese
    @LewinMellinese Місяць тому

    Br. Lawrence, Does truth bring division?

  • @melodyschleicher81
    @melodyschleicher81 Рік тому +8

    First and foremost, official letters of ordination as currently practiced is not a Biblical injunction. It is man-made.
    Secondly, the subjugation of women is part of the results of sin in Eden. Looking down through the ages, God's foreknowledge warned that this would be the case. The strong would dominate the weak. And here we are today, perpetuating this evil. 😢 When will we learn that in Christ all are equal? Who are we to dictate to the Holy Spirit whom He is permitted to gift in a certain way? God forbid. What is being practiced is not unity. It is conformity, and there is a world of difference between those two concepts.

    • @acuriousfellow
      @acuriousfellow Рік тому +3

      Thanks well said and might I add. In a society that ostracised woman in a most cruel way Jesus went out of his way to lovingly support and encourage them, yet so many of us who take the name of Christian upon ourselves are still willing to show our contempt for our woman folk. Shame on us.

    • @pirateshadesproductions
      @pirateshadesproductions Рік тому +1

      Deborah was a Judge in Israel and she was a woman. I'm not sure about this because it was from this year that I'm now hearing about this.

    • @peterbamford2811
      @peterbamford2811 Рік тому

      Maybe you don't understand the male dominated inner sanctum of latter day Pharisees that run the denominations to make sure the ship keeps the straight course and avoids running aground on contentious issues of spiritual gifts ,religious thuggery exists in most denominations with the men in leadership leading the charge from the highest to the lowest ,these are FACTS,ALL THE TIME CALLING THEMSELVES FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST,observed with over 40 years of observation! It will never be any different until CHRIST RETURNS!

    • @ManegiFumo-rc7nb
      @ManegiFumo-rc7nb Рік тому

      This is only your thoughts and not what the Bible says

    • @peterbamford2811
      @peterbamford2811 Рік тому

      @@ManegiFumo-rc7nb like all religious Pharisees you wouldn't know christ if he came and stood next to you!

  • @dwblacky
    @dwblacky Рік тому +6

    Having a woman pastor is like following other Protestant churches.. the video with the woman being ordained in my opinion was very light-hearted instead of serious attitude....

  • @lindabrechwald241
    @lindabrechwald241 Рік тому

    Because the Church as a whole has said NO, they should honor that. This is sad that they would go against what the GC has voted. The GC needs to take action on this matter, otherwise, other churches will do the same thing.

  • @samsungblu1023
    @samsungblu1023 2 місяці тому

    I Am A Woman. I Am Definitely Not Agree With Women Being A Pastor To Preach. They Can't Pull Their Weight Like Men. They Are Plenty Others Things They Can Do. Thank You For sharing Brother Lawrence. God Blessing. 😥😪🤔

  • @NelsonPerla-u9h
    @NelsonPerla-u9h Рік тому +4

    If the Bible doesn’t support the females to be ordained as pastor, what is the big deal? Only because the North American division want doesn’t mean we have to accept it..! Mark Findley sugar coating.

  • @ajfriedberg6360
    @ajfriedberg6360 4 місяці тому

    I would have listened to the GC vote re: women’s ordination IF the vote would have been brought in a fair way. Their are at least 51 percent or more women in the SDA church when this vote was taken but only 15 percent of women were allowed to be voting delegates at the GC when this last vote was taken. If the delegates had represented fairly the make up of the church (female, country, etc.) then a vote against women’s ordination being voted down would have been surprising but an easier decision to accept

  • @LorraineRogers-t5t
    @LorraineRogers-t5t Рік тому

    As Pastor Finley stated, this should not cause division in the Church and cause members to be forgetful as to the Great Commission, which is the Church's mission.

    • @martinlohne5128
      @martinlohne5128 Рік тому

      Well, it is not biblical and it IS causing and will continue to cause division in the church.
      "Error is never harmless. It never sanctifies, but always brings confusion and dissension. It is always dangerous." Testimonies for the Church volume 5 page 292.

    • @bobreese4807
      @bobreese4807 Рік тому

      Hey SDA members--I know you are disappointed and/or embarrassed by SDA nonsense associated with leaders and pastors. I get it. I've been going to church for 70 years. SDA Dan & Revelation seminars are basically religious BAIT & SWITCH programs to get people to join SDA Laodiceans and after they are in church they are criticized, by inept, poorly trained SDA pastors, for being tithe robbing, sabbath slacking, love-lacking, lazy, lousy lukewarm Laodicean LOSERS! Then after they have been berated, they are told to "finish the work" and tell everyone the "3 angels messages" to scare them with mark of the beast, Sunday law, close of probation, death decree and last plagues. Soooo do you really care if the SDA denomination CRASHES & BURNS??? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?? HUH?? Reply to this and I can teach you how to make a positive difference in this world & really be SALT & LIGHT...and have a real purpose for your life!!

  • @E-Buzz7E-Buzz7
    @E-Buzz7E-Buzz7 7 місяців тому +1

    It is not what you, i, Pastor Finley, or the GC has to say... *IT IS WHAT GOD SAYS IN HIS WORD* ....
    Allison Stephens, you clearly need to control your anger and to mind your language , which is also unacceptable in God's Church... There is a certain standard that we need to uphold, according to what is right and pleasing in God's sight...
    Satan is at the helm of this chaos in the Church....there is too much apostasies and heresies going on and this is one of it....we cannot be a lot of puppets and be strung along with error and the winds of doctrine...it's dangerous to fall into the hands of the living God...
    I'm a female, i fully agree that women should *NOT BE ORDAINED TO BECOME a PASTOR* ....EG White who got direct visions and revelations from God about the past ; present and future, why has she not served in the capacity of a Pastor? because she knew that it's not her place to serve...if women were to serve as pastors, she would have encouraged women to do so...
    The structure of God's true church:
    *God is the head of Jesus Christ...* *heavenly connection*
    *Jesus Christ is the head of the man...heavenly connection*
    *Man is the head of the woman....earthly connection*... God has given Adam the power and authority over the earth(God created man Himself)
    (whereas a woman was formed from a rib of a man, according to the word of God a woman is subservient to a man)

  • @raymondsmith3255
    @raymondsmith3255 Місяць тому

    I believe this follows the same line as the debate regarding Gentiles. Proof is in the pudding.

  • @user-de6nc8er8s
    @user-de6nc8er8s Рік тому +2

    They don’t ordain women to be pastors but they allow them to be pastors without the ordination.

    • @martinlohne5128
      @martinlohne5128 Рік тому

      You are quite mistaken. They certainly do ordain women to be pastors but they also at times "commission" women to be pastors. A commissioned woman has the same privileges as an ordained man. They can baptize, etc.

    • @paulemcj2446
      @paulemcj2446 Рік тому

      How does that make sense?

    • @headcovering782
      @headcovering782 Рік тому +1

      Same difference

  • @gabriellescheper1715
    @gabriellescheper1715 Рік тому +4

    Blessings in Jesus Name. Can two walk together less they agree. The very results of what's happening right now with brethren not wanting brethren, who do not support there position on the controversial issues to officiate at their Churches or Conference, also defeats what Pastor Finley and the world church is trying to avoid. Which is division. It is impossible to agree to disagree when it comes to matter that God has not only define in His word by He has also given a pattern to follow.

    • @darrenharriott2120
      @darrenharriott2120 Рік тому +4

      Dragging out an issue that should have never come up ( woman ordination) is what splits the church . This is why the issue has moved from a Biblical topic to a policy / social issue .

    • @vectorchristmas5568
      @vectorchristmas5568 Рік тому +1

      There should be no ordination of women being pastor in the church this is a disgrace to God word what the adventist church never did before they are now accepting all corruptness shame on them bringing apostasy in the church ,soon they will stand and say homosexuality is not sin just like how they don't see any problem in ordaining women.

    • @darrenharriott2120
      @darrenharriott2120 Рік тому

      @@vectorchristmas5568 they are already saying homosexuality is not a sin .
      ua-cam.com/users/livez5Qyek9A8t8?feature=share

    • @itzcaseykc
      @itzcaseykc Рік тому

      @@vectorchristmas5568 I agree.
      Regarding the LGBTQ groups within our churches, there are in some areas where there actually *DO* affirm and accept Gays, Trans, etc,. Some even allow them to lead out in prominent roles in the church service, such as having a gay pastor or elder. This is unacceptable and unbiblical. It's open sin & must be dealt with ASAP.
      Such churches should do the following:
      1. shut down until the problem is remedied;
      2. rename the church other than SDA if they refuse to correct the problem;
      3. have a revival & reformation where teaching from the sure word of God teaches against such lifestyles. So when a cleansing occurs, where such individuals that are actively living in open sin and who refuse to repent and change their lives will be taken off the books and/or refused entry to services UNTIL the repent & obey God's word.
      By doing this in a loving, but firm way, it will bring a cleansing to the body of believers from the evil that is allowed to co-exist with heterosexuals and Bible professing Adventist Christians and allow the church body to be more effective in their perspective communities. Those in such church locations who allow this to continue are *part of the problem* and are guilty of complicity in their rebellion of God's commands, just as those who are actively participant in such a lifestyle.

  • @joelchirchir242
    @joelchirchir242 Рік тому +3

    What they say is different from what they do. How can we vote for or against the world of God without committing an act of blasphemy?? Bro let's not be lukewarm , human opinions are nothing but strange fire

  • @vectorchristmas5568
    @vectorchristmas5568 Рік тому +3

    This is not according to God will to ordained women as pastors , God called twelve apostles and whenever he called persons to do his work he called men ,the adventist church behaves exactly like the other denominations shame on them

  • @allisonstephens1837
    @allisonstephens1837 Рік тому +2

    Sorry but, I call THIS BS.. The North America division and the NORTH EASTERN CONFERENCE have many ordained pastors and elders in my church 3 women elders. Why is General conference and the local churches doing two different things??

  • @josephkirimi5453
    @josephkirimi5453 Рік тому +1

    This church can not purport to be the remnants with all this kind of confusion. They need to accept Christ and be saved into the church of God.

  • @saniawatson7586
    @saniawatson7586 Рік тому +1

    Its apostay period ...we have our roled but God as spoken ..

  • @MaxElo-it6nu
    @MaxElo-it6nu 2 місяці тому

    GC must take actions quickly to address such issues because it left to the dictates of Union Missions things will get out of hand.

  • @nabbosabeldine8885
    @nabbosabeldine8885 Рік тому

    All secrets are known to God let's mind more about salvation and our hate for sin the rest is God's work not ours🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

  • @hillartrowe6797
    @hillartrowe6797 Рік тому +4

    Ever elder must have one wife

  • @paulrichards009
    @paulrichards009 Рік тому +3

    You are usually on point with your views, but it seems that you are not sure or aware that the Bible is against women being ordained to the work of pastor or elder. Study this out Biblically, and you will see this to be so that the Bible is against women as pastors or elders.

    • @olivegren6174
      @olivegren6174 Рік тому +1

      If possible, I would like some proofs regarding this statement. Thank you in advance.

  • @sethbardu
    @sethbardu Рік тому +3

    My brother, I hope someday we get to have a personal conversation. I do not want to leave my opinion on this platform. There are things you may not be aware of. Bottom line, let us do the work we have been called to do. Blessings

  • @kansiimejolly9717
    @kansiimejolly9717 Рік тому

    In the kingdom of God,we are all equal,those differences are in the religion systems.

    • @martinlohne5128
      @martinlohne5128 Рік тому

      Sorry, you will find NOTHING in the Bible that teaches we're all equal if you're speaking of office or reward.

  • @noblekalwa335
    @noblekalwa335 4 місяці тому

    Brother Lawrence. you are talking about the general conference and conferences and you are not saying anything about what God says in the Bible. what does the bible say about the issue of women ordination, let us be truthful biblically, and when you say it should not bring division in the church what do you mean?

  • @edithdotson5617
    @edithdotson5617 Рік тому

    Our current dilemma is the consequence of compromises large and small made by leader over the years especially the 1957 one which has never been corrected. Reformation must follow genuine Repentance. The Church currently teaches two theologies and unfortunate the liberal one is predominating.

  • @Kingsley__Light
    @Kingsley__Light 11 місяців тому

    Even if the General Conference votes in favor of it,what matters is what the Bible says

  • @charlesgokaokuk5443
    @charlesgokaokuk5443 5 місяців тому

    Where in the Bible verses from Genesis to Revelation have given authority to ordained womems as Pastors in the church. I disagree? I can to the church, but when it comes to a time when woman to preach in the church I will stay at home?

  • @LydiahBosibori-i8c
    @LydiahBosibori-i8c 3 місяці тому

    When a woman is a born again it's not her wholiveth but christ In her so ,christ in her can do anything and there is no judgement to those who are in Christ jesus

  • @blessedone472
    @blessedone472 Рік тому

    A certain church says God has given their leaders power to change His Laws here on earth. The SDA church Leaders probably think they has gotten the same imaginary power too. A day of judgment has been set by God Almighty Himself hope we will all be ready to stand in that day.

  • @Rosemerry-t5j
    @Rosemerry-t5j 4 місяці тому

    Who are we to go against the Bible teachings God help us

  • @josephkirimi5453
    @josephkirimi5453 Рік тому +3

    I said again that this is a confused church. God's church can not be so divided that some of the leaders accept ordination and others not.

    • @josephkirimi5453
      @josephkirimi5453 Рік тому

      @ChrisDaniel-xy7ly What does the prophesy say? Where can we read of a church called the SDA in the Bible?

  • @EdwardChikwanda-v5v
    @EdwardChikwanda-v5v 7 місяців тому

    If this issue of women ordination was in Africa, you can see and hear words like rebels of church are ordination of women in Africa

  • @constancestinger5976
    @constancestinger5976 3 місяці тому

    I listen to Mark Finley all the time. I am shocked to hear him say that it's up to the church. WRONG!!! The bible says no.

  • @famiilliii
    @famiilliii Рік тому

    Our mind changes because of being influenced by outside sources (rather than stay within the bible structure). The changes in today's society due to a more sinful nature wants to challenge the age old (but true) bible principles.
    Hence asking to update the old age traditions in the bible for the newer ideology of humanity will spell out these kinds of talk.
    But a woman keeping our focus within the community (sharing compassion, teaching new converts or children in faith, finding answers of the needs of people) will help ministers have a more open hearted community.
    The work of women in their own ministry is crucial! For a person to accept info... Their needs are cared for. Try giving guidance to a close minded individual... Your time and their time will be a waste. But if you provide their needs 1st, their perceptions are more open (having more of a clear mind and can process better)

  • @luisperez-zn5tf
    @luisperez-zn5tf Рік тому +1

    These actions of Liberal SDA churches will create division and bring about the Creators wrath

    • @Simon-Simon-Simon
      @Simon-Simon-Simon Рік тому

      Why did they allow ELDERS
      Basically same role .
      So why have they left the door open ?

    • @luisperez-zn5tf
      @luisperez-zn5tf Рік тому

      @@Simon-Simon-Simon Don't know why certain churches allow women to be elders, their not suppose to hold a position above a man (in the church) but there will always be a church or two who decide to do their own thing.

  • @frankout4610
    @frankout4610 Рік тому +1

    I think I gave same look with the I DOOOO

  • @garysouthwell5762
    @garysouthwell5762 Рік тому +4

    Let us not be divided by our divided opinions but be tolerant of everything? Let us not consult the word of God because that might offend some? Thank you Br Lawrence for your forthright bringing up of these seeming inconsistencies within the church but, always remember to not broadcast the sins of Gods people to the world by making them public such as on UA-cam?

  • @Blin843
    @Blin843 Рік тому +1

    Are they disobeying the word of God or they dont study the Bible well ???????😮😮😮😮

  • @meshackmose965
    @meshackmose965 Рік тому

    I am Adventist but I don't know who bewitched the leaders in GC by allowing women to be pastors or elders ,I am against it.

  • @Musukuvick
    @Musukuvick Рік тому +1

    Father forgive the for they do not know what they are doing!!! If Jesus take more than 100 years SDA will fall, slowly by slowly we are diverting the truth

  • @michaelreyes8182
    @michaelreyes8182 Рік тому +5

    You have to wonder...if the church has voted 3 times NOT to ordain women as pastors what good was that when it's being done anyway? Why have church leadership? I guess Moses took the wrong approach when he found the people of God dancing around the golden calf. What he should have done was tell them we have voted to not have any other Gods BUT. that's ok whatever feels right to you. ''I really am just a figurehead and have no real authority.'' and look the other way. Pastor Finley is a wonderful man but he's wasting his breath. The GC has no reasonable control in cases like this. They look the other way and that's not good. Looking the other way has produced a woman pastor who left the ministry and is now leading the LBJQ blah blah blah movement to affirm queer activity in the SDA church. This is the problem ... we hear the talk and no action to back it up. Very sad.

    • @garysouthwell5762
      @garysouthwell5762 Рік тому

      Yes, and that's not the only issue of compromise in this way. The SDA Reform Movement broke away because the church basically opened up to members to do ANYTHING they felt like doing as far as War involvement goes; opposed to the original stand which was Conscientious objection to any and all participation in War and Bloodshed, in other words, what is now deemed Conscientious Objector: the moderate stand now promoted is 'Non-combatant supporter of each local country's war efforts. Think about the inconsistencies in this stand alone. Jesus said plainly, 'Henceforth, my kingdom is Not of This World', and 'Put away the Sword, he who takes the sword will perish with the sword' . And right through the old testament there are hints that God didnt really want his people involved with war, He would have fouight for them if they would have trusted in Him fully. But they had little faith. Im and ex Reform member as you can guess but now believe we should be part of the greater flock who's main goal is to get the basic 3 Angel's message to the world, even though it has been watered down here and there.

    • @Simon-Simon-Simon
      @Simon-Simon-Simon Рік тому

      They have no power in implementing GOD'S LAW GODS PLAN
      but they open the door to BREAKING GOD'S LAW GODS PLAN
      That's the SDA GENERAL CONFERENCE
      They have to ask themselves are they sewing TARES or WHEAT
      I hope we have a person who FEARS AND LOVES GOD
      A whistle blower on the GENERAL CONFERENCE

    • @michaelreyes8182
      @michaelreyes8182 Рік тому

      @@garysouthwell5762 All I'm doing is providing my opinion, for what it's worth. I know there are good men in the church structure and I can certainly see how these times are difficult on leadership. Talk is cheap. By not holding the line things will continue to get worse. That is not condemning anyone. On the other hand, I don't see anything in the Bible or EGWs writings saying the SDA church is or will become Babylon. And yes, by you coming out that's exactly what you believe.

    • @michaelreyes8182
      @michaelreyes8182 Рік тому +1

      ​@@Simon-Simon-Simon I'm sorry but the GC is there to provide leadership and guidance to the church. Not as some mid-evil popes but as Moses did. The church has voted on women's ordination and it was rejected by the church at large. And you see these Pastors going their own way? Really? You don't think that damages the church and its members? If these pastors feel that strongly let the start their own church. The same with the queer movement. We hear the talk but no walk. It's almost like leadership is trying to appease the rank in file and encourage these Pastors ordaining women at the same time, by saying nothing.

    • @michaelmanso740
      @michaelmanso740 Рік тому

      I agree with you 100%.

  • @glendagoss6697
    @glendagoss6697 Рік тому +1

    I do not believe a woman should be ordained as a pastor

  • @benjamindantzie8053
    @benjamindantzie8053 Рік тому +1

    I don't get it. If EGWHITE is accepted as the Lords prophet, a position higher than a pastor, then what is the rationale for women not being ordained?

    • @raulshaw4365
      @raulshaw4365 Рік тому +1

      Even a child can be given visions form God for His people. That does not mean that the child is equipped to handle day to day matters as a leader. God was neither male nor female, but when He decided to come to earth as a human being he chose to come as a man. He was to be a leader, and this is a male role.

    • @martinlohne5128
      @martinlohne5128 Рік тому

      The reason is that the Bible specifically say that a woman is not to be an elder or a bishop. David was a prophet and that didn't give him the same rights as a priest had. The same can be said for Miriam.

    • @Andre-mw9iz
      @Andre-mw9iz Рік тому

      Just read your Bible. There is in the Bible about women prophetess (Judges 4:4). But there is no incidence in the Bible in which a woman was ordained by Christ and so neither by the Apostles. Read your Bible
      Regards,
      Andre

  • @richardchristie6710
    @richardchristie6710 29 днів тому

    Congratulations linda