Rachel Maddow in Conversation with Kathleen Belew
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- Опубліковано 24 жов 2023
- MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow returns to Chicago Humanities to expose the shocking truth behind subversive attempts to undermine democracy and the inspiring tales of those who rose to challenge the insurrectionists. Inspired by the research for her #1 Apple podcast, Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra, Maddow’s latest book 'PREQUEL: An American Fight Against Fascism' tells the World War II story of a committed group of public servants and courageous private citizens thwarting the far-right’s attempts to align our nation with the Nazis. Join Maddow as she sits down with historian, author and Northwestern University professor Kathleen Belew to explore the rise of this wild strain of American authoritarianism, the profoundly relevant insights about America today that can be drawn from its history, and her take on our own unprecedented times.
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During the Trump presidency Rachel and the late night comedians were all that kept me from total despair about this country. Their contribution to the the education and mental health of Americans cannot be overstated. Thank you Rachel! I miss seeing you nightly but, if your new schedule keeps you going that is good for us all.
Me too. I knew I wasn't alone, no matter how it felt.
Me three
Yes!
Me four! And I am not even American - from Canada!🍁 But I so worry about America and the obvious hatred of so many! Why I cant really understand! Tks to Rachel for informing us!👏And democracy is on the edge of falling off the cliff! And that will affect so many countries.
So all the more reason that the collective 'we' need to be help America to remain such an important leader in protecting democracy!👍
We could form our own little Rachel fan club!! Monday nights are my favorites now because she's on the air!
Gotta love a well educated, informed and deep dive research woman who speaks out to save our democracy. Truly a national treasure.❤
I wish she could be my professor!
I am not sure I would have survived the Orange Mussolini presidency without Rachel and her show.
@@Arturo-sm1tb Truth.
IMAGINE if women ruled the world… 🇺🇸✊🏻✊🏼✊🏽✊🏾✊🏿🇺🇸
Rachel for President, even if she doesn't want it.
This woman should get the Nobel Prize
She’s terrible.
Most of us Americans don't realize that we did indeed come out on top in WWII but it was by the skin of our teeth. Nothing was assured. Democracy isn't something that we should ever take for granted, nor the liberty and freedoms established under our Constitution and Bill of Rights. We have to stay vigilant and never get apathetic about it.
Someday, Rachel will be regarded as the impetus for this country keeping its democracy.
What î
For real - I've heard the "democracy can end in blink of an eye" speech for years and always thought, no, that's not gonna happen, until really recently, and it is scary to realize how fragile it is. We should be so thankful for how long we've had it and if we can hang onto it.
Power has always worked against and with disregard for the will of the masses, forever! I don't advocate for opposing wealthy people/ corporations but we need to 'handicap' them to level the playing field. After all, wealth is power and always has been. Equality crosses all boundaries and that is how things ought to be.
Would I be sanctioned if I were so silly as to suggest every year we eat the richest man on earth and split up his money? It's just that after a couple of years you'd find Uber rich people getting awful philanthropic to closer we get to the deadline! I wouldn't suggest that, it's just that the math would work;- (not the humanity, though!)
I don't even have to watch the whole thing. I just hear Rachels voice and the world is a better place. 🙏
I am Canadian and I echo what Rachel has said in this presentation. I watch a lot of American Politics, and I hope the American people can see through the lies, deception, and the manipulation of the Trump movement to preserve your democracy. 🇨🇦🙏
I am Canadian as well. I watch MSNBC frequently especially Rachel's show. I am so afraid for the American people right now.
Me too ! Our country would be ruined by Tramp !
A lot of us do but far too many of us don't. I'm in the SF Bay Area. Sadly, there's a dearth of critical thinkers here too. 😢
I'm a New Zealander and I watch American politics too. Very scary stuff. I'm gobsmacked that Trump is not in jail yet - he inspired and led an insurrection FFS!
Trump is right, and Democrats are wrong. Facts are only on Trump's side. Open your eyes.
I have no words for how smart and humble and amazing she is
My dad fought the Japanese Empire where was your dad? I remember what he told me before he died.
@@patriciamischel7407 i am really confused. What do you mean? Where was he, when? Idk
Rachel’s book should be mandated reading in a history general education class in high school and college.
Unfortunately, in today’s political climate, many states would probably ban it.
All of her books!
@@jenjones3035 It's unbelievable to me that some governors are banning topics in colleges and universities. I NEVER thought I'd see that in the US.
@@B_Bodziak That is a very bad sign for a democracy.
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it is so scary what America is exposed to right now... please stand up each of you for viva la Democracy!!
I appreciate this production and admire Ms. Maddow greatly. I have Jewish relatives (by marriage) who live in the US and I wish would come home to Canada (our anti-semitism exists but like everything in Canada, it's a LOT less than in the US). BUT in all this I have to make one point: the US did NOT "win WWII" single-handedly. Because of the very issues that Rachel Identifies, y'all ***DIDN'T EVEN SHOW UP*** until Pearl Harbour (spelled the Canadian way) happened. You'd not have been anywhere without your Canadian and British allies, and the Australians and the rest of the Commonwealth of Nations. So don't telll US that "you" "won" WWII. You got in late in the war, and we were very grateful that you finally woke up and smelled the coffee. BUT CANADA liberated the Netherlands. CANADA was there at D-Day and Juno Beach and other major offensives. Stop forgetting your friends from the north -- for we also joined you in Afghanistan -- ghastly for all involved. Some of us were even stupid enough to join you in Viet Nam. And now you're threatening to elect a fascist in 2024, which makes many of us feel like we're living in the equivalent of Austria during Hitler's rise in Germany. Just sayin'.
Thank you so much for setting to rights Kathleen Belew's remark implying the US were the sole victors of WW2
As an American, I find it offensive when other Americans say things like we won WWII single-handedly. I call it "spoiled-child-I'm-the-most-important" mentality (typically American). I would like to assure you that a lot of us know history, have great respect for other countries, and understand the concept of allies in war as well as peace. Be assured there are millions of us working to put people with intelligence and integrity back in our White House and Congress. While a free democracy allows for abhorrent views and behaviors to gain traction, it also provides legal means for their removal and replacement. That keeps us from being hopeless and helpless. Complacency has always been a problem here. I value your support and input.
I'm Canadian..thank you for this❤
Polish Pilots, living in Britain, learned the language, learned the lingo, and learned how to use the planes. But weren't allowed to fly until Britain, losing half of their squadrons every month, didn't have another choice. British pilots were trained to hang back. Poles practiced intimidation tactics. Guess who convinced Germany to give up? Trust me, there were a lot of turning points. The Poles, sadly weren't allowed to participate in the Victory Parades in London, out of fear of angering Stalin.
@@annwags - I watch The "World War Two in Real Time" and "War Against Humanity" series (from @WorldWarTwo) avidly, and they have now gotten to the part where Churchill, Stalin, and Roosevelt/Truman were trying to figure out what to do with Poland after the war. I knew it was bad for Poland, but I didn't know the part about the Victory Parades in London. That is so disgraceful.
I LOVE this lady Rachel! I love how her brain works, a very humble and intelligent woman.
You do our country good because you give opportunities to people to think beyond what “they’re told by medias” and actually think for themselves, within their own personal held beliefs.
Or the devil incarnate to fascists, regardless of era.
My sweet Rachel,a canary in the coal mine.Sing Rachel sing.
Rachel again tackling serious subjects with optimism and humour, and placing them in historical context (including meteors and dinosaurs). Great to watch.
I live in a large metro city in the Southeast and I'm jealous that Chicago has a Humanities Festival! I am definitely going next year!
Your thoughtfulness in reporting and commenting is keeping my head above water through these times. Thank gosh for voices like yours!
This was an amazing evening. She's such an intelligent and thoughtful person. You learn so much.
Love Maddow and her use of history, seeking the foundation, and wide view on every subject. She always gives props to journalists on the beat. She has enlightened me to seek sources, even in FB conversations.
I had an acquaintance attempt to argue with me on FB. He stated that a doctor gave him information that squashed my point of view. It turned out the ‘doctor’ was a dr of theology. It took me 2 minutes to google her, and to pull up, copy, and paste her background and her hard core anti-choice views. Fascinating what we can find when we look.
I’d say, check sources on all social media sites.
Rachel Maddow is a great researcher and explainer of political connections both historical and contemporary. She does important work.
I was impressed by the intelligent, informed questions from the interviewer - a job well done.
Rachel you are treasure and your talent to speak and write you are so blessed thank you for-telling the truth iam so glad in my life of 80 years that I had the gift of hearing you speak for freedom and for women and for our Democracy God Bless You
Amen.
thank goodness there are still sane, sound and truthful voices in America today.
I am commenting, 2 weeks after this presentation was podcast. I’m concerned that so few Americans stay educated. Less than 200 comments. Only 38,000 views. I too may have missed this discussion, but Rachel was smart enough to go on TV . ( plus the change in her tv schedule) Ladies and gentlemen. Read , self educate, etc. Vote . Save our Democracy. ❤ 🤓🤔🧐
Agreed, and I despair. We have reached a point where we no longer have a national political discourse. With the advance of technology (cable TV and social media), we live in echo chambers that exclude facts, reason, and reality. The House of Reps got this dysfunctional because of the fragmentation of a national discourse into sealed echo chambers. Listen to the Kennedy-Nixon debates. I was shocked to hear discourse about decidable national policy issues. Their debate offered the nation viable political choices. Imagine that! Election deniers seek to reelect the denier-in-chief who forthrightly proclaims how constitutional law must be curbed to conform to his unlawful commands. He tells us what he will do, and many, perhaps most, act as if that's his First Amendment right to political speech. Sounds like national insanity to me. (Rachel explains all this well enough. I worry no one is listening. Between the abuse of the right to free speech and the right to bear arms, we have the ingredients for a successful overthrow of state and federal government as we know it. The next Jan 6 will have a better chance to succeed with or with 45. How do we veer off this madding path toward self-destruction? )
Outstanding!
Thank you Rachel. I take the lessons seriously.
I thought I was a pretty reasonable knower of history - if not deep on all subjects, I had at least heard of certain events. I had zero idea that Henry Ford was such a spectacular antisemite that he had the capacity to inspire one of the worst human beings since Genghis Khan. Sweet Jesus.
Rachel, Thank you so much for your important, excellent work!
You are so powerful Rachel the world needs you
This interview was over an hour and was too short. I could listen to Rachel Maddow for hours and miss her so much each night on MSNBC. She is truly one of the most eloquent and brilliant speakers/storytellers in this day or any age. As she says, this year is going to be a supreme challenge and will decide the future of our democracy.
Thank you for this book. Many in our democratic society need to wake-up before we lose it.
Absolutely! And I really worry about the 18 to 29 year olds who don’t know history or context and seem to get their news and form their viewpoint from influencers on Tik Tok. Too many may decide to sit out or vote for 3rd party candidates in 2024 which will help throw the election to tRump, who at this point looks like the GOP candidate.
You are spot on, Rachel. Gives me hope for 2024 - instead of despair, ... and me not even being American, just a troubled and concerned Dane... thanks! Jens K
Love the Rachael. I've commented elsewhere of spending an afternoon listening to her podcast ULTRA and riveted by her narration. It was stunning in its revelations. This wasn't a Hitchcock movie or a radio serial, this was reality, and its echoes of fascism are still with us.
Stay vigilant
Thank you, Rachel!
We need her on TV Nightly.
I know it's exhausting.
Rachel, you are on the right side of history!
This is the 'gift' I've been looking for. Thanks for it. So many have pieces of the 'picture' coming into focus, for some just now, for some not yet, for some of us going 'what the hell is that string that keeps popping up after I smoothed it over again so I have to go back to it, again?' Etc. Why won't it leave me alone? Less fear than "wrongness."
You are correct, history has come for us, and it is not the first thing 'recently.' Here's to our 250th National birthday in 2026. Some don't want us to make it there. But there's a whole lot of us who do. We will get there together, with our own bit parts to play. I'm glad to be going there with y'all.
Way more than a book tour, way more than a book talk. Thanks for the highlighting of media literacy and critical thinking practices. Transferable skills for everyone's life toolboxes.
Emotion is WAY STRONGER than logic
Thank goodness for a person like Rachel Maddow who, rather than burying and banning history, is willing to dig it up and help us understand what happened in the past, and what is happening again. She is giving us hope that we CAN handle the current situation and today’s “pikers”. Thanks, Rachel.
Rachel, I thank what ever gods exist for you and your curiosity and your dogged pursuit of the backstory in discovering the why. Could not manage without your presentations and analysis to sort out our present history making events. Please do not stop starting with the dinasaurs.
Thank you Rachel.
We appreciate what you are doing.
Rachel you literally pulled me back from the brink. I have listened to your podcasts and other interviews on your books with so much gratitude.I am not terrified anymore. I am still uber cautious but not to the point of immobility. I must tell you it is because when I heard your work on previous political turmoil and our resilience in spite of great divides, I found hope again in a future for the US and myself as a citizen. Your work matters Ms. Maddow and your spirit revived my own. Thank you!
"We are just on a tourist visit." Remember that one? Nope, no coup in sight. Rachel is so brilliant.
I never ever miss a chance to listen to ANYTHING that Rachel Maddow has to say - she IS one smart cookie and in my opinion one of THE most intelligent woman in journalism of our century. For anyone who has the good fortune to work along side her or be an intern....they will have been mentored by her just by being able to absorb all of the knowledge and critical thinking she espouses.....and she's funny too! As others have also said: She IS a national treasure!! And she's a damn good human being too!!!!!
Way to make me feel stupid. 😉(Mostly) joking, but I'm impressed (again) in Ms. Maddow, and highly impressed by the questions from the audience.
❤❤❤❤ and Respect to you dear Rachael!! Thank you so much for all your great works and for educating us about our history that is so pertenant for whats going on today all through your brilliant storytelling. I could listen to you for hours. 💙🌊🇺🇸
“There are no new lessons in life, just stuff we forgot” a quote often used my father and so appropriate for the world we live in.
This is the most fascinating and interesting interview. I never heard of John Rogge. I need all of Rachel's books.
Listen to Ultra🙂
PREQUEL would be a great book (along with its related podcast, “Ultra”) to organize a book group around as we work to protect our democracy in the 2024 elections. I love Rachel Maddow!! She is a source that I’ve long trusted and been inspired by and I’m sure I will be looking to her often as we work to protect our democracy in the 2024 elections. 🩵❤️💜
Her book is on Audible, finished it in 2 days. It was captivating!!!
Also, Bagman podcast/book is very illuminating about Nixon’s VP. This story, with echoes of today, got lost in history
"Blowout"----got it for Christmas last year
I’m so happy to hear about This history and worried about the’…your country will need you “ message.
Books rock. I listen to 100 books a year. History and political commentary. DARK MONEY was a profound revelation to start connecting the dots. It also gives perspective in daily life in work politics, etc.
Awesome post. I absolutely LOVE Rachel Maddow. She is so smart and able to take these really tough topics and make sense out of them. Congrats on another great book Rachel!!
What a Great Service You continue to do for Our County!!! Thank You Both!!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
She’s Terrific and so admirable in all her research! Keep all the good work Rachel🩷
Rachael will be considered as one of the great communicators on the side of good
AWARDS,AWARDS.
You did USA & the World
Well Done❤
Loved this. Something I've only recently come to grasp. Organize communally. It's what the drivers of society don't want you to do. It's impossible for them to counter.
Rachel is such a great story teller… She is a fabulous researcher, writer, and historian 🫶🏻🦉. I always enjoy hearing her voice.
I love everything I've seen Rachel Maddow do, but this talk is just kick ass.
Ms R Excellent delivery ,such work you pulled history forwsrd and comparing our present times
Similarities --- profound.
Rachel always explains her thoughts through strong connections to history. As the saying goes, understanding the past might prevent us from repeating the not so perfect past. Love ya, Rachel.
Ms R you are likely going have connections lots of people --- presidents and their spouses,journalists,historians
Friends,teachers, etc ....
Wonderful work you shared with
Your presentation with the world.
Great job Rachel ! Thanks for
Educating,inspiring humanness,
Sense of humankindness
Thank you Rachel!
Brilliant , Rachel ! Continue your investigations .
Brava !!
Incredible interview. Thank you Rachel and Kathleen.
WOW as to content and clarity !! Bravo!!
This was a great and educational presentation
Thank you Rachel, you keep me sane.
Thank Rachel for her work in helping use see the importance of our democracy that gives us our freedom in America.
Im excited to read. After years of volunteering and actually feeling scared, your podcast ULTRA gave me hope! Which I needed! So now Im volunteering with determination. Wow The Great Seddition Trial! Loved your podcast ULTRA!
@1:07:12 "Once I understand someone's motives, I'm less subject to the power of their words. Once you tell someone .... this is being given to you or done to you to manipulate you, and they understand that, they are then less manipulable." I've long lived by this, but Rachel succinctly explains it in context. Great interview, interview!
Thank you for the informative presentation. I am a snippets type person and you held my attention through to the end. As a Canadian I have been exposed to American politics for 60 years. Watching this has given me a list of things that I need to look for in Canada. I believe that people are capable of making a difference when they have the tools. Your talk today has supplied those tools that I need. Now it is time for me to use them. thanks again.
The base of the Holocaust museum in D.C. has a quote by president Eisenhower, that he made at a liberated German concentration camp, about knowing that holocaust denial would likely happen in the future.
Eisenhower also warned the nation to be ever vigilant about ambitious (greedy?) concentration of powers of the industrial and military complex.
Mr. Cheney 😮
Rachel's book is more than a cautionary tale. We're truly in a break-the-glass time. I'm almost seventy, but am ready to join the resistance!
Wonderful interview.
I love and respect both of these women!!!
Secretaries (assistants) always know exactly what's going on.
I love the way Ms Maddow weaves the antecedents into the now. Fascinating & brilliant.
Fabulous book. I'm on page 70.
I do think, though, that American corporate fascism in 2023 is every bit as important as Trump's political fascism, and it's never talked about. If corporations had not been allowed to become the fascist organizations that they now are, the political Republican donor class and the insane money in Republican politics would never have materialized, and neither, therefore, would the political fascism we are now in for. The US is set up to have political fascism only if the corporate fascism goes unchecked, which it has since the 1980s. Until media elites discuss this severe aspect of our politics, Trump will win, and we will go down.
My dad had a copy of the Protocols of Zion. At age 11 I found it in the bookcase. It was a booklet with no date, no author's name, no publisher. Just these fascinating and mysterious words! I sat there on the linoleum floor in my hot summer shorts and bare feet, and I read the whole thing, perhaps without taking a breath. Wow! I realized what an evil production this thing was. Probably Dad had sent away for it in order to inform himself. We respected all publications in the early '50's -- and there was no recycling -- so there it stayed, waiting for me to read and stand aghast at the pure evil of the production.
1950's "internet" 😮
Great interview. I bought her book and can't wait to read it. This really helps to put things going on today into perspective. Thank you!
"To educate a person in the mind but not in morals is to educate a menace to society."
Teddy Roosevelt
Intelligent, educated, informed WOMEN ! Thank you Chicago Humanities.
Rachel, Please keep doing what you are doing
You are my hero!
This has been a wonderful presentation.
As a 90year old History teacher(retired) I have been courage to put forth what I
believe.
Where can I find the book. Good work.
I live in North Carolina.
Only 153K views at the moment. Please keep spreading the word, Rachel. As you know, that isn't enough views. More people need to and must hear this message and the history you have so diligently brought together. Said differently by many in the past... "Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it." Edmund Burke.
I need to read this book!
Just bought your book Rachel. Authoritarianism has always been present throughout history. Keep educating ppl on our own history, & more & more ppl will become enlightened
Thanks for posting!!!
Rachel, My parents were MAGA, now they are still Repub, but seem confused but definitely still don't want to hear anything bad about Trump. Which means no factual news. I try to send articles or even your interviews, Ari's Beat, but they refuse to read or listen... So it made me feel relieved when you said to try to read long articles, texts, books and confirm sources of
Information. My stepMom won't even say where she gets her news/information which is a red flag for me, that even she knows they are suspect. Maybe they will never change, but I will be glad when Trump is gone because I feel he's ruined their retirement and made our relationship distant. I follow sources as you suggest and dig deeper. I would like your view on whether you think it's a good thing for Biden to run again. I love Biden but his age stresses me and Kamala doesn't seem like a strong backup. That said,
I am so ready for a blue wave next year at the polls. I need to figure out if there is anything I can do, to help the elections, from Malaysia. Thanks for the outstanding journalism.🎉
She is so amazing.
Very well spent time listening to this discussion. Thank you for making it available.
I sometimes think determining what are reliable sources is like having a 500 piece jigsaw puzzle in a box with an additional 500 pieces of random, unrelated pieces thrown in. You really have to examine each piece to determine which 500 of those 1000 pieces fit together into a coherent picture and which 500 are meaningless to genuine understanding of how the puzzle fits together and what it means. The person who is willing to settle for a handful of random pieces fitting together will never comprehend the picture that results from the necessary 500 pieces fully filling the frame of the puzzle (and discarding the rest). Successfully completing a puzzle from a box which contains only 500 among 1000 useful pieces requires hard work. Maddow and Belew are clearly dedicated to that work.
I love that Rachel goes back to the "origin story!"
"Prequel" was alarming but it gave me hope....
I Love Her Words…
Wonderful
Thank you to all generals they put their life on the line so everyone can have information
Rachel Maddow is a National Treasure.
Awards to YOU,MS RACHEL M.
Thank you for this Rachel Madden!❤
Maddow. She’s a gem!
👍🏾❤️ Keep spending the word.
The one thing I wish everyone would do is to take something like this UA-cam video and make sure each individual in the audience that has social media presence passes on to another person to make sure this information other information gets to the people who normally would never hear this stuff. The middle of the country that's red only listens to the biggest propaganda station Fox News and their religious leaders who have become more politicized than before and many praise Trump saying he was sent by god. These people don't hear any other news that's why everyone must push social media as a way of getting through in these areas