Outsider Visits Church in the United States' Oldest City

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  • Опубліковано 26 чер 2023
  • Thanks to everyone at Ancient City Baptist Church in St. Augustine, Florida, and thanks to the patrons of this channel who make this Church Unity Project happen by supporting at patreon.com/tmbh

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  • @zachsmith8916
    @zachsmith8916 11 місяців тому +28

    I’ve been to this church. It’s an awesome church. As a Baptist it’s awesome to see this.

  • @lukequanbeck
    @lukequanbeck 11 місяців тому +28

    I'm enjoying the church tours, Matt! I would love for modern Christians to be inspired to include symbolism and art in their buildings again. There's so much meaning bound up in these old church buildings.

    • @cristinamz2137
      @cristinamz2137 9 місяців тому +3

      I have often heard this lamentation from many other Protestants. But what kind of symbolism? Images? I just think that Protestants are too afraid (wrongly) of breaking the second commandment. And I say wrongly because you misunderstand it. But I too join you in your desire that you would beautify your churches, instead of having them look like plain and cheap shoes boxes. Besides, when you Love the Lord, and you want to honor the place where He will be present (" where two or more are gathered...") it makes sense that you would beautify it for Him- not for yourselves, but because He is worth it. It is worth it to spend money, time, artistic effort to beautify a place for God.

    • @brendonpremkumar8207
      @brendonpremkumar8207 9 місяців тому +3

      I agree with you so much. This is one thing Protestants should learn from our brothers and sisters in the Catholic and Orthodox churches.

  • @Eunacis
    @Eunacis 11 місяців тому +28

    I hope you cover the other churches in st. Augustine...
    The Presbyterian church is beautiful and the mission is also amazing.

  • @claytonhall989
    @claytonhall989 10 місяців тому +4

    We’re splitting hairs, but Pensacola technically is actually older than St. Augustine. The difference is St. Augustine was continuously occupied while Pensacola was established first, deserted, and then resettled.
    The first mass/church service in the United States was on August 15, 1559 in Pensacola (not including Puerto Rico).

  • @sherrywhite1517
    @sherrywhite1517 11 місяців тому +7

    Late have I loved you, O Beauty ever ancient, ever new, late have I loved you! You were within me, but I was outside, and it was there that I searched for you. In my unloveliness I plunged into the lovely things which you created. You were with me, but I was not with you. Created things kept me from you; yet if they had not been in you they would have not been at all. You called, you shouted, and you broke through my deafness. You flashed, you shone, and you dispelled my blindness. You breathed your fragrance on me; I drew in breath and now I pant for you. I have tasted you, now I hunger and thirst for more. You touched me, and I burned for your peace.”
    ― Saint Augustine of Hippo

    • @cristinamz2137
      @cristinamz2137 9 місяців тому +1

      Oh Saint Agustine, amazing Catholic Saint. The city is well named.

  • @shawngillogly6873
    @shawngillogly6873 11 місяців тому +6

    Love St Augustine. Such a charming and historic city. This Church belongs in such a locale.

  • @jgiaq
    @jgiaq 11 місяців тому +3

    Live just south of St Augustine, passed this church many times! So cool to finally get a look in it. So much church history is present in St Augustine.

  • @timsuspanic7905
    @timsuspanic7905 11 місяців тому +7

    The Catholic parish was established there in the 1500s before there even was a such thing as the Baptist Church!

  • @javierluyanda8283
    @javierluyanda8283 11 місяців тому +7

    Amazing !!! Balanced , what This man is doing I Pray to do as a person who has Pentecostal roots

  • @RTHenry83
    @RTHenry83 7 місяців тому +1

    Super cool interview! Love these Matt. really enjoyed this as a baptist who leans more traditional but also sees the value of modern things. Pastor Pitts has some great points

    • @RTHenry83
      @RTHenry83 7 місяців тому

      7:36 he is so correct! Reminds me of some of my profs at Southern Seminary! He's totally correct on all these baptist distinctions

  • @user-uq2rr4xt9g
    @user-uq2rr4xt9g 11 місяців тому +7

    e you were there did you visit the Catholic shrine that has the first church in America from the 1500

  • @Lorrainecats
    @Lorrainecats 11 місяців тому +4

    Thanks for this new video, Matt. Nice to have you back
    Beautiful church and enjoyable conversation.

  • @PavlockProducts
    @PavlockProducts 11 місяців тому +1

    Great interview! Keep the series going my man

  • @blaizeharkens
    @blaizeharkens 11 місяців тому +3

    It's so wild, my husband and I were just in St. Augustine last week. I wish we had checked out that Baptist church!

  • @devinbarney505
    @devinbarney505 11 місяців тому +2

    Matt, love what you said at the end there. I love these videos!

  • @joshinfwtx4506
    @joshinfwtx4506 10 місяців тому +1

    Great video as usual Matt. I particularly like this one because I grew up Baptist and this pastor is a great example of the good of that tradition and what I still appreciate about it. Thanks for what you do. Also, really enjoying the Esther podcast.

  • @ellensstory4429
    @ellensstory4429 11 місяців тому +1

    What a nice man. Beautiful church, so enjoyed the tour and interview.

  • @lescrone5048
    @lescrone5048 11 місяців тому +1

    Lived in and around St Augustine for years and come back a few times a year to visit. This church has had an interesting history architecturally. The east side of the church wall was completely rebuilt after it nearly collapsed back in the early 2000’s. Love all the historic church buildings in town!

  • @jameskeys971
    @jameskeys971 11 місяців тому +4

    Great episode!

  • @andrewculbreth7302
    @andrewculbreth7302 11 місяців тому +2

    Used to play with Freds kids when I was young. Small world.

  • @AdurianJ
    @AdurianJ 10 місяців тому +5

    As a European seeing a 19th century church as old is kind of funny !

    • @cristinamz2137
      @cristinamz2137 9 місяців тому +2

      I thought the same thing... calling it "ancient" is even funnier.

  • @soup3544
    @soup3544 11 місяців тому +2

    Keep pursuing church unity!!

  • @matthewmarino3501
    @matthewmarino3501 9 місяців тому

    Great interview, Matt. The pastor, Fred, is a great guy.

  • @johngleich1379
    @johngleich1379 10 місяців тому

    Awesome, I was just in St. Augustine earlier this week with my fam!

  • @MiscMitz
    @MiscMitz 11 місяців тому +1

    Cool. Thank you

  • @Mexindian01
    @Mexindian01 10 місяців тому +3

    I would love if you visited and explored some more of the relatively unknown ancient churches like the Armenian Church (St. Sarkis in Dallas looks amazing if u can arrange a visit) , Chaldean/Assyrian churches ( large community out by Detroit), the St. Thomas Christians of India (they have a big cathedral by Chicago), or the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (they have some big congregations out by Washington DC)...another interesting series would be on African American churches....thanks again for doing this series I love learning more about all strands of this family we call our faith

    • @HistoryNerd808
      @HistoryNerd808 12 днів тому

      I know this comment was 10 months ago so maybe you've seen it since but he did a video, a few actually, regarding the African-American tradition 4 years ago. It's a 3 video series with a Missionary Baptist pastor in Alabama.

  • @jeffcarlson3269
    @jeffcarlson3269 11 місяців тому +6

    did he state this was an ancient Baptist's church? or ancient Baptist church.... that's pretty catchy since the SBC I attend now.. is full of people in their 70's and 80's..

  • @mariamederos7872
    @mariamederos7872 10 місяців тому +1

    @MattWhitman Actually, the US Territories are also the U.S. Therefore, the oldest church is in the oldest city San Juan, Puerto Rico. The oldest cathedral in the New World, dating back to 1521 - Cathedral de San Juan Bautista in Old San Juan.

  • @joejackson6205
    @joejackson6205 11 місяців тому +7

    Very good as always Matt. Still hoping for a video from you on Modern Day Eucharistic Miracles.

  • @scott7695
    @scott7695 11 місяців тому

    Oh wow...can't believe you were so close to where I live! Would've loved to have met and treated you to lunch. St. Augustine is drastically different scenery than out west for sure 🙂 Hope you got to go to the Alligator Farm

  • @dnosic
    @dnosic 11 місяців тому +3

    Just one correction Matt. The first state to grant religious freedom was the Polish - Lithuanian Commonwealth. Not USA.

    • @zachsmith8916
      @zachsmith8916 10 місяців тому +3

      Actually it was the Persian Empire under Cyrus the Great.

  • @LlywellynOBrien
    @LlywellynOBrien 11 місяців тому +1

    The austerity of the interior of this church has a really interesting resonance with parts of the Catholic monastic tradition, i.e. cistercian churches.

  • @dylnfstr
    @dylnfstr 9 місяців тому +2

    If all protestant churches remained like this one and didn't move towards entertaining the masses rather than praising Christ, I wouldn't be contemplating conversion to the Catholic or Orthodox church.

    • @spinninginspace
      @spinninginspace 7 місяців тому +1

      sounds like youre being drawn into deeper communion. God bless you brother

  • @sherizaahd
    @sherizaahd 11 місяців тому +1

    Did they talk about why there's a mirror in the back in line with the aisle?

  • @JoshMakesStuff
    @JoshMakesStuff 11 місяців тому +2

    In your travels, how many flags, American or the "Christian" do you see in sanctuaries? Do you have thoughts on this?

    • @LlywellynOBrien
      @LlywellynOBrien 11 місяців тому

      Interesting question, as a non-american I find it pretty uncomfortable sometimes seeing them. In my country, Australia, I have only seen one church use the flag in this way. In the US it seems far more common.

  • @atalyasigler8140
    @atalyasigler8140 10 місяців тому +1

    I would love to see you visit a messianic jewish/christain church.

  • @sbkrantz
    @sbkrantz 11 місяців тому +3

    Loved this video, and all your videos. I’d love to see you pick the brains of a church of Christ preacher/church somewhere…

    • @Mickey784cr
      @Mickey784cr 11 місяців тому +2

      Unfortunately, I don't think too many of them would be on board with the whole "church unity" thing!

  • @Eunacis
    @Eunacis 11 місяців тому

    Hometown represent!

  • @cristinamz2137
    @cristinamz2137 9 місяців тому

    24:00 ish... they are speaking about how young people are yearning for a more traditional outlook/service. I am happy to see this happening in Protestant churches, too. This is happening in the Catholic Church as well. For those who do not know, in Catholicism many people go to Mass on Sunday to a service that resembles much of what Protestants do in their services, this happened after the 2nd Vatican Council. But in recent years, the Traditional Latin Mass (in Latin, with Jesus in the front and center, priest with his back to the congregation, and women being veiled) has blown up and is fast growing. It is full of very young families each with the 2, 3,4,5,6,7, or 8 kids filling up a pew. So yes, you are right to say there is a hunger for the traditional, the thing that is enduring, the thing that is ancient but at the same time ever new.

  • @thejojo6423
    @thejojo6423 11 місяців тому

    Can you please make a video about the Coptic orthodox Christian church???

  • @jeffcarlson3269
    @jeffcarlson3269 11 місяців тому +3

    it sounds like this church is following the same pattern of other churches... including the church I attend. .now... as many churches are trying to mix traditional hymns with more contemporary ones... in order to keep younger families attending... and trying to maintain.. the elegance of the "olden times".. interior... with more modern.. furniture as well..
    Our church has gone as far as to even just about remove hymnal use .....as all the hymns are on an overhead screen now
    I appreciate the stained glass windows to a point... but they look slightly out of place among white washed walls they match the pews pretty well though...

    • @MattWhitmanTMBH
      @MattWhitmanTMBH  11 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching and for the comment. That stained glass is original and elite, and had to remain visible in whatever updates they chose.

    • @jeffcarlson3269
      @jeffcarlson3269 11 місяців тому

      @@MattWhitmanTMBH yes I understand that... I guess that what I was getting at... is since they were keeping the stained glass....feature... why did they choose.. not to go with that motif.. more matching of the brick and stained glass appearance from the outside .on the inside...?... I think the white painted walls just seem kind of out of place... maybe a brick and wood paneled interior?.. or like wooden stained beams going across the ceiling.. I don't mean to sound overly critical... each to their own.... it just looks like a Church on the outside... but.. like my house on the inside.. with the exception of the stained glass of course..

  • @pepipepisha
    @pepipepisha 11 місяців тому +1

    If a Christian keeps Saturday as the Sabbath, which Church is the best to go to for worship? Can he be Catholic and observe Saturday as a day of rest?

    • @ro6ti
      @ro6ti 11 місяців тому

      Going to church can be a lot of work.

  • @BlessingsfromNorthIdaho
    @BlessingsfromNorthIdaho 11 місяців тому +1

  • @youarethesaltofearth
    @youarethesaltofearth 10 місяців тому +1

    Can you visit syriac orthodox church ❤❤

  • @bradkeener07
    @bradkeener07 11 місяців тому +1

    You sound like the guy that's on the podcast with the smarter every day guy.

    • @MattWhitmanTMBH
      @MattWhitmanTMBH  11 місяців тому +1

      I get that from time to time. Daily even.

  • @johncox2284
    @johncox2284 11 місяців тому +2

    Its a beautiful church but I think it's interesting that the same people who reject creeds (which includes the Nicene Creed), would put up a catch phrase for people to repeat.

    • @MattWhitmanTMBH
      @MattWhitmanTMBH  11 місяців тому +4

      Reject and don't require are not the same thing. Baptists affirm the theology of the Creeds, but don't use the structure. Worth noting I think.

    • @johncox2284
      @johncox2284 11 місяців тому +1

      @@MattWhitmanTMBH Hi Matt, I love your videos. I was going off a statement I saw from a Baptist Church years ago but I realise there are many flavours of Baptist as well.

    • @johncox2284
      @johncox2284 11 місяців тому +3

      @@MattWhitmanTMBH The reason Christians repeat the Creed is because it spells out exactly what we believe. The Creed came about because of the Christological controversies in the early church, especially the Arian Heresy which denied the divinity of Christ. As Christians we have always had to draw a line around what it means to be a Christian versus perhaps well meaning beliefs but not within the realm.of Christianity. We aren't required to repeat it but it has been part of the liturgy since the beginning and is important to keep us focused on what it means to not only become a Christian but what it means to be a Christian.

    • @CosmicMystery7
      @CosmicMystery7 10 місяців тому +1

      @@MattWhitmanTMBH Baptists affirm the Nicene Creed, but reject the vast majority of the canons of the Council that birthed the Creed, and believe everyone of the fathers of said council was a heretic. In other words, they don't really affirm it at all in any meaningful way.

    • @johncox2284
      @johncox2284 10 місяців тому +1

      @@CosmicMystery7 From my experience with Baptists there seems to be no cohesive set of beliefs from one Baptist Church to another because of the belief of the autonomy of the individual churches. It probably explains why there are so many flavours of Baptists.

  • @MrPeach1
    @MrPeach1 11 місяців тому

    dang Matt went hard after the bedazzled evangelicals

  • @nothertreeinbox
    @nothertreeinbox 10 місяців тому

    I belive God had taken your faith that you may find it again by looking.

  • @thorgot911
    @thorgot911 11 місяців тому +2

    Careful now, calling St. Augustine the oldest city is fighting words down in Florida. Pensacola is actually older.

    • @beeholtzclaw7935
      @beeholtzclaw7935 11 місяців тому +4

      Fellow Pensacola resident here!! We have rights to the first settlement which was short lived thanks to a hurricane, St. Augustine I believe is the first city that survived! But I have to say the local Indian tribes have us beat!!!

    • @MattWhitmanTMBH
      @MattWhitmanTMBH  11 місяців тому +6

      Pensacola is a lovely town, but I'm pretty sure the original settlement there did not survive and the one at St. Augustine did, which makes St. Augustine the oldest city in the U.S. by merit of it having the longest continual run of being a city.

    • @thorgot911
      @thorgot911 11 місяців тому +1

      @@MattWhitmanTMBH thank you for being knowledgeable about that. That's why I said "'dem fighting words down there" because not many people know.

    • @FrJohnBrownSJ
      @FrJohnBrownSJ 11 місяців тому +2

      @@thorgot911 refreshing take! Christ's peace.

    • @HistoryNerd808
      @HistoryNerd808 12 днів тому

      ​@@thorgot911It's all in definitions. If you include territories, San Juan, PR is 4 and a half decades earlier than St. Augustine, having been founded in 1521. Makes me wonder how the "oldest city" moniker will play out if/when PR becomes a state.

  • @polishherowitoldpilecki5521
    @polishherowitoldpilecki5521 10 місяців тому +1

    A Protestant should visit a messianic synagogue.

  • @SammyJ..
    @SammyJ.. 2 місяці тому

    Baptists would think that the 1500s are ancient 😂
    Seriously though, cool church!

  • @davidstout6051
    @davidstout6051 11 місяців тому

    The pastor’s voice sounds a bit like Peyton Manning’s. Wonder if he closes his prayers with “Omaha” instead of “Amen”?

  • @wallyklw5
    @wallyklw5 11 місяців тому +1

    Matt, youre doing more of an exposition of your opinion versus that of an interview. Other than that--please continue these

    • @jameskeys971
      @jameskeys971 11 місяців тому +5

      His comments were a reflection of past episodes in EO and RC churches. His channel travels a journey that few have taken.

    • @ro6ti
      @ro6ti 11 місяців тому

      I liked the video after his comments on freedom of religion. Some really want to smash others' conscience.

  • @roseg1333
    @roseg1333 11 місяців тому +2

    This guy doesn’t really know a lot about his building either like many accuse the Catholic priest in the past of doing 🤔

  • @ivandinsmore6217
    @ivandinsmore6217 11 місяців тому

    What does southern Baptist mean ? How is it different from northern, eastern or western Baptist?

    • @zachsmith8916
      @zachsmith8916 11 місяців тому +3

      It refers to the Southern Baptist Convention. It’s the largest Protestant denomination in the United States.

    • @zachsmith8916
      @zachsmith8916 11 місяців тому +4

      That being said it goes back to when the Southern and Northern Baptists split in the 1840’s over missionaries owning slaves. Southern Baptists historically were centered in the Southern U.S. however today they are all over the U.S. and even into Canada.

    • @weatherfordhappycampers9411
      @weatherfordhappycampers9411 11 місяців тому +2

      The basic tenants of Southern Baptists are: (1) Priesthood of the Believer, (2) Independent, democratically run congregations and (3) Missions.

    • @MrPeach1
      @MrPeach1 11 місяців тому +3

      The difference is southern baptists say "bless your heart", "ain't you just the cutest little thing" and "uh huh, I know that's right". That's pretty much the only difference.

    • @JRVan-ez4yi
      @JRVan-ez4yi 11 місяців тому +1

      Southern in front of any denomination in the USA means they split over being pro-slavery around the Civil War.

  • @tgltyty
    @tgltyty 11 місяців тому

    Taos Pueblo in NM was founded around 900 AD.THAT is the oldest continually inhabited city in America.

    • @blaizeharkens
      @blaizeharkens 11 місяців тому +2

      St. Augustine is specifically the oldest European settlement.

  • @theromanbaron
    @theromanbaron 11 місяців тому

    Nothing like the ancient faith in a….
    Baptist church? 😂

    • @Wilkins325
      @Wilkins325 11 місяців тому

      What are you trying to imply?

    • @lancefewell3931
      @lancefewell3931 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Wilkins325 lol that it's anything but ancient.

    • @Wilkins325
      @Wilkins325 11 місяців тому +1

      @@lancefewell3931 Dont Baptists believe in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth? Pretty sure thats ancient.

    • @lancefewell3931
      @lancefewell3931 11 місяців тому

      @@Wilkins325 yeah, they also believe in a lot of heresies the actual Ancient Church has condemned in the past two millennia of its existence. But what do you expect from a Protestant denomination? Especially one that has only existed for 150 years or so, and is changing by the year.

    • @Wilkins325
      @Wilkins325 11 місяців тому +1

      @@lancefewell3931 Just correcting you on your offensive rhetoric.

  • @brandonm6052
    @brandonm6052 11 місяців тому +2

    I'm 35 so many would think that I would want a band and a cup of coffee and waving my hand in the air woodstock vibe to my church service. I can not stand the starbucks christian crowds and their church services, I'm one of the ones he's talking about that want's traditional. To me they make that about them and not the real purpose. We've slowed going to our own church because there's so much oh our prayers were answered and all the spots are filled to do this trip or that (not mission). Or every get together is some potluck. It's not Bible or service centered, I'm staying at home and reading my bible and getting more out of it. Rant over

    • @blic-sx9ix
      @blic-sx9ix 11 місяців тому

      Yes you can be a Christian and not attend church services. I personally need and enjoy the fellowship of our congregation.

    • @brandonm6052
      @brandonm6052 11 місяців тому

      @@blic-sx9ix I always enjoyed going for the sermon but some of my views have changed more recently on what is being preached. By that I don't mean political or things such as that but I've felt the old testament got thrown out like a baby with the bath water and as a man my brain is programmed to need some of the do this or else type things from the old testament. I'm not very eloquent or informed so I won't speak to it more than that because someone could talk me into a hole.

    • @peterfox7663
      @peterfox7663 11 місяців тому

      There are many different church groups to cater to many different beliefs and preferences

    • @mish375
      @mish375 11 місяців тому

      I agree. There's one former church I used to go to that now has a Starbucks inside the church. I just find that disgusting.
      It took me a long time to find a church I liked where people were welcoming and also wanted to help each other grow in the faith. But yes, you can be a Christian and not attend church. I didn't attemd church for a long time because of bad experiences. So I get it.

  • @lannyrayconnelljr
    @lannyrayconnelljr 11 місяців тому

    Ancient…
    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

  • @user-xt9jw4gt7o
    @user-xt9jw4gt7o 11 місяців тому

    I'm waiting for your visit to Saint Antony Orthodox Monastery in Arizona. I can't go there for economic reasons but I hear so much about it ..

  • @TheTalkedSpy
    @TheTalkedSpy 11 місяців тому

    Hey Whitman, have you ever considered visiting a conservative Church of Christ, and then comparing them to liberal Churches of Christ?

  • @jeffkardosjr.3825
    @jeffkardosjr.3825 11 місяців тому

    15:40 Have a king that is both Catholic and Protestant.
    #anglican

  • @Crusader1984
    @Crusader1984 11 місяців тому +2

    Show me a scripture where having a light shows and concerts are correct in the Bible? It says make music and melody in your heart.!