@@SynthDad ha! As a non-musician knob twiddler I’ve spent my UK lockdown 2.0 treat money (it’s a thing, honestly) on a Faderfox EC4 instead. If there’s a lockdown 3 I’ll succumb to the Deluge’s delights.
@@SynthDad stopped resisting, Deluge just landed at East Midlands airport... In the end didn't feel too guilty. I'm going to sell the Cycles/Samples and the OP-1 and OP-Z. Never gelled with the OP-1, other than as a fun plaything (which has its place, obvs). The OP-Z is excellent, but also frustrating - I have to remind myself of how to use the thing every time I come back to it. And the Cycles/Samples exist in the same space as the Deluge. The EC4 + the Deluge will give me the immediate knob-twiddling capability that they offer whilst playing, along with all the other sweet sweet Deluge goodness. #manlogic
This is one of the videos that made me pull the trigger on ordering the NDLR. Already have and love a Deluge. Thanks for the tutorial; it was excellent!
Just picked one of these up, vid definitely helps to see what's under the hood. Should be here tomorrow :) Be using it with an Akai Force and probably the Circuit.
@@SynthDad Will do. Its all good so far triggering the Forces internal synth engines via USB. The Force is a bit temperamental though as firmware is still a bit flaky so you end up fault finding at times but its looking good so far.
@@SynthDad oh boy i am getting crazy midi loops when i attach my semianalog synths (deepmind and rev2) and the ndlr freezes. With my real analog synths (poly d & monopoly) it works. 🙈😁. But i will solve this.
@@JohnTrasher Ouch! That does sound like a MIDI loop. Does it happen with only one synth attached? Can you disable MIDI forwarding on the Deepmind or rev2?
@@SynthDad fixed it... somehow with the ndlr attached via usb to the deluge and the externals via midi into and from the deluge was the Problem i think. I use a normal midi connection now and did some different port routing. All hail to the iconnectivity mioXl 😁👍
Very helpful. Trying to do something similar using BlackBox. Now I have sort of an idea of what I am doing now. Just need to figure out how to keep the samples linked to motifs from glitching. This helps. Thanks.
Great explanation of a complicated topic. Awesome use of the mod matrix and LFO’s on the NDLR, that’s exactly how I imagined it being used. Thanks for taking the time to explain it so clearly! I was wondering when you control The NDLR with the Deluge you mentioned changing “key” when pressing the white-notes, did you mean changing the chord degree? I noticed the “key” was always C-Dorian.
Great video but this doesn't work for me. Have the exact same setup as you demonstrate here but when I press play on Deluge, it hangs after a moment or two. On 3.1.4 Deluge firmware. Can't get the clock in to work on the NDLR via USB or MIDI. :\
@@SynthDad I figured it out via MIDI actually. The issue (I think) was that I needed to turn “MIDI clock in” to OFF on the Deluge. After I did that, I could play on deluge and it would play as normal. I have not tried this via USB but it’s worth investigating later. Thank you for the rapid response!
Great tutorial, thanks. Did you by any chance used it with midi in/out without USB? I'm getting not recorded first notes or the first notes being super short. Im using only ndlr out to deluge in, starting play/record from the ndlr.
I think I've seen this problem before but going from Logic Pro -> Deluge. Given the way the MIDI notes and MIDI start/stop are being sent the Deluge can miss the first note on and so notes aren't recorded. It seems to be a quirk with the Deluge. Only way around it is to start the Deluge first, then play from the NDLR, and then delete the space at the start of the pattern on the Deluge.
What volt and amp adapter did you use? I've tried a 12V 1A and a 12V 2A, and can't seem to power the NDLR with either. Thanks Edit: I think I tracked my problem down to the wrong polarity. The Deluge manual says it requires center-negative power supplies, and all I appear to have are center-negative. Just for reference they suggest at least 500 mA for the deluge, and Conductive Labs says the NDLR pulls no more than about 100 mA.
Glad you figured it out - I blew a resistor on my Deluge sending it 16v centre positive by mistake! It will take anything between 9v and 12v as long as it is centre-negative, so any guitar pedal power supply should work. I use the Harley Benton ISO Pro2 from Thomann, though there are many others available.
Alrigh’ bud! Haven’t met anyone else with a NDLR yet, so nice to ‘meet’! I’ve a basic Canon M50 camera with the kit lens, and some LED lights I bought on Amazon. Mounted over the gear on a shower rail!
@@SynthDad good stuff. You are using the NDLR a lot deeper than I am to date. Here is a live performance I recorded using the NDLR as main clock and sequencer ua-cam.com/video/gLDvRUbwGSU/v-deo.html
This Noodler is also very interesting and fun, but I am not going to buy it otherwise I might end up with too many identical gear as you 😉. Actually, that is only a joke, but the real reason is that I am still not done with my wave sequences on the Wavestate, I recently discovered tons of interesting composition tricks for the Deluge,and then there is still this Midihub thing I might use, and I have a keystep 37 for generating strums, so in other words, I am way behind with digesting what I have......
That is a great set of gear to explore. Midihub is very powerful, and combined with the Deluge and Keystep I think it will give you everything the NDLR has and more. Wavestate also has huge depth (I still haven’t explored mine fully)
I'm going to ask a dumb question but can the NDLR sequence the 4 tracks on the Deluge?? At one point it sounds like it's doing that but I thought the Deluge could only see 1 of the 4 NDLR tracks 🤔. I'd love to get the NDLR but I only have a Deluge and a Hydrasynth so I'm two synths short 😩
Not a dumb question at all - the NDLR appears as a 4 port USB device if you plug it into a PC, but the Deluge can only see the first USB port. But the NDLR can send 16 channels of MIDI over that single USB connection to sequence 4 tracks on the Deluge
@@SynthDad USB ndlr to usb deluge, setup (visually on the three menus) 1:1 with your settings at the start of this video, though the firmwear is different! but when I press play the tempo wasn't picked up. Tried a factory reset but it didn't work. Then I shrugged and let the ndlr be the tempo brain and the deluge was able to sync, but the pads weren't able to be learned, while the 3 other parts were, though that could be an entirely different problem.
@@SynthDad ya I understand the deluge learning part. but I thought ndlr is only sending midi data to one of the 4 channels in settings..... I tried it last night set pad, drone and motif to 4,5,6,7 but was able to 'learn' pad on deluge channel 1....
Interesting stuff but that Subscribe thing popping up every few minutes is really irritating. Maybe once at the end but not constantly through the video.
Thanks for a great video - i got both the NDLR and the MRCC - they REALLY work so well together ,-
Great to hear!
There’s no way I would have been able to figure this out without your tutorial. Thx so much.
Glad I could help! Thanks for watching :)
Same!
This helped with setting the NDLR up to talk to Ableton as well, so thanks. Must resist Deluge. Must. Resist.
Don't resist - give in!
@@SynthDad ha! As a non-musician knob twiddler I’ve spent my UK lockdown 2.0 treat money (it’s a thing, honestly) on a Faderfox EC4 instead. If there’s a lockdown 3 I’ll succumb to the Deluge’s delights.
@@robbybobbyhobbies EC4 is a smart purchase - you’ll get a lot of use out of it!
@@SynthDad stopped resisting, Deluge just landed at East Midlands airport...
In the end didn't feel too guilty. I'm going to sell the Cycles/Samples and the OP-1 and OP-Z. Never gelled with the OP-1, other than as a fun plaything (which has its place, obvs). The OP-Z is excellent, but also frustrating - I have to remind myself of how to use the thing every time I come back to it. And the Cycles/Samples exist in the same space as the Deluge. The EC4 + the Deluge will give me the immediate knob-twiddling capability that they offer whilst playing, along with all the other sweet sweet Deluge goodness. #manlogic
Lmao... I'm trying to do the same...but resistance is futile... 😂
This is one of the videos that made me pull the trigger on ordering the NDLR. Already have and love a Deluge. Thanks for the tutorial; it was excellent!
Thank you for watching! They’re a powerful combo together
Absolutely brilliant! Thank you and I really appreciate the time and effort to produce such a helpful video.
Thank you for watching!
Damn... This is going to be expensive...but worth it...
I was thinking the same thing
This was very helpful! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Nice explanation of what could be considered quite a complex system. :) Sounds great too!
Thank you Luke!
Fantastic thanks ,I only just started using the NDLR and this was a great help ..
Happy to hear that - thanks for watching!
Great stuff, as usual. Keep them coming!
Thank you so much for this helpful guide. Would also love to see how you would connect Deluge + Ndlr + MicroFreak or VolcaFm
Interesting combo - I'll think about making that. Thanks for watching!
This is absolutely brilliant and exactly what I needed, thanks a ton !
Now how could we add Midicake Arp to the setup ? 😂
Well I have a Midicake ARP here to play with so I could try!
Just picked one of these up, vid definitely helps to see what's under the hood. Should be here tomorrow :)
Be using it with an Akai Force and probably the Circuit.
Sounds like a great combo - have fun and let me know how you get on!
@@SynthDad Will do. Its all good so far triggering the Forces internal synth engines via USB. The Force is a bit temperamental though as firmware is still a bit flaky so you end up fault finding at times but its looking good so far.
Very nice work.
Thank you very much!
Yeah i will try this myself in the next days. May try in a Kombination with deluge synths and external synths..
Let me know how you get on with it
@@SynthDad oh boy i am getting crazy midi loops when i attach my semianalog synths (deepmind and rev2) and the ndlr freezes. With my real analog synths (poly d & monopoly) it works. 🙈😁. But i will solve this.
@@JohnTrasher Ouch! That does sound like a MIDI loop. Does it happen with only one synth attached? Can you disable MIDI forwarding on the Deepmind or rev2?
@@SynthDad fixed it... somehow with the ndlr attached via usb to the deluge and the externals via midi into and from the deluge was the Problem i think. I use a normal midi connection now and did some different port routing. All hail to the iconnectivity mioXl 😁👍
@@SynthDad done! ua-cam.com/video/Pso0t1W4Zn4/v-deo.html take a look if you like (it also envolves the new monopoly)
Very helpful. Trying to do something similar using BlackBox. Now I have sort of an idea of what I am doing now. Just need to figure out how to keep the samples linked to motifs from glitching. This helps. Thanks.
Are the glitches happening only on the motifs or on pads and drones? Did you check the MIDI note velocity?
@@SynthDad just Motifs. Will check the velocity
Muy buen video! Buen trabajo🧡🧡
Great explanation of a complicated topic. Awesome use of the mod matrix and LFO’s on the NDLR, that’s exactly how I imagined it being used. Thanks for taking the time to explain it so clearly!
I was wondering when you control The NDLR with the Deluge you mentioned changing “key” when pressing the white-notes, did you mean changing the chord degree? I noticed the “key” was always C-Dorian.
Ah yes, good catch! I did indeed mean the chord degree. Music theory is not my strong suit :)
One of the prime motivators in making The NDLR was not to need to know music theory! :-)
My goodness, how can we buy you a coffee!? Thank you!!
No need - thanks!
Great video but this doesn't work for me. Have the exact same setup as you demonstrate here but when I press play on Deluge, it hangs after a moment or two. On 3.1.4 Deluge firmware. Can't get the clock in to work on the NDLR via USB or MIDI. :\
Hmm, this suggests a MIDI loop somewhere. Who is the master MIDI clock and who is following?
@@SynthDad I figured it out via MIDI actually. The issue (I think) was that I needed to turn “MIDI clock in” to OFF on the Deluge. After I did that, I could play on deluge and it would play as normal. I have not tried this via USB but it’s worth investigating later.
Thank you for the rapid response!
Great tutorial, thanks. Did you by any chance used it with midi in/out without USB? I'm getting not recorded first notes or the first notes being super short. Im using only ndlr out to deluge in, starting play/record from the ndlr.
I think I've seen this problem before but going from Logic Pro -> Deluge. Given the way the MIDI notes and MIDI start/stop are being sent the Deluge can miss the first note on and so notes aren't recorded. It seems to be a quirk with the Deluge. Only way around it is to start the Deluge first, then play from the NDLR, and then delete the space at the start of the pattern on the Deluge.
What volt and amp adapter did you use? I've tried a 12V 1A and a 12V 2A, and can't seem to power the NDLR with either. Thanks
Edit: I think I tracked my problem down to the wrong polarity. The Deluge manual says it requires center-negative power supplies, and all I appear to have are center-negative. Just for reference they suggest at least 500 mA for the deluge, and Conductive Labs says the NDLR pulls no more than about 100 mA.
Glad you figured it out - I blew a resistor on my Deluge sending it 16v centre positive by mistake!
It will take anything between 9v and 12v as long as it is centre-negative, so any guitar pedal power supply should work. I use the Harley Benton ISO Pro2 from Thomann, though there are many others available.
Greets from fellow Dublin NDLR user :) What camera/lens are you using for your overhead setup? Cheers!
Alrigh’ bud! Haven’t met anyone else with a NDLR yet, so nice to ‘meet’! I’ve a basic Canon M50 camera with the kit lens, and some LED lights I bought on Amazon. Mounted over the gear on a shower rail!
@@SynthDad good stuff. You are using the NDLR a lot deeper than I am to date. Here is a live performance I recorded using the NDLR as main clock and sequencer ua-cam.com/video/gLDvRUbwGSU/v-deo.html
@@SynthDad camera looks great. Detailed and crisp!
This Noodler is also very interesting and fun, but I am not going to buy it otherwise I might end up with too many identical gear as you 😉.
Actually, that is only a joke, but the real reason is that I am still not done with my wave sequences on the Wavestate, I recently discovered tons of interesting composition tricks for the Deluge,and then there is still this Midihub thing I might use, and I have a keystep 37 for generating strums, so in other words, I am way behind with digesting what I have......
That is a great set of gear to explore. Midihub is very powerful, and combined with the Deluge and Keystep I think it will give you everything the NDLR has and more. Wavestate also has huge depth (I still haven’t explored mine fully)
Point me in the right direction if you have a video about this. But how did you put letters and numbers on your Deluge button's??
Of course, I explain it all here: ua-cam.com/video/uPiiinIAsLg/v-deo.html
I'm going to ask a dumb question but can the NDLR sequence the 4 tracks on the Deluge?? At one point it sounds like it's doing that but I thought the Deluge could only see 1 of the 4 NDLR tracks 🤔.
I'd love to get the NDLR but I only have a Deluge and a Hydrasynth so I'm two synths short 😩
Not a dumb question at all - the NDLR appears as a 4 port USB device if you plug it into a PC, but the Deluge can only see the first USB port. But the NDLR can send 16 channels of MIDI over that single USB connection to sequence 4 tracks on the Deluge
@@SynthDad Awesome! I actually ordered the NDLR so I will try that when it gets here. Thanks!
When I set the ndlr clock to talk to USB 1 I'm not getting any updates, any tips on how to troubleshoot?
Can you describe your setup more? What gear is connected to what? What are you expecting to happen?
@@SynthDad USB ndlr to usb deluge, setup (visually on the three menus) 1:1 with your settings at the start of this video, though the firmwear is different! but when I press play the tempo wasn't picked up. Tried a factory reset but it didn't work. Then I shrugged and let the ndlr be the tempo brain and the deluge was able to sync, but the pads weren't able to be learned, while the 3 other parts were, though that could be an entirely different problem.
I don't understand how this works. If ndlr is set to send pad on midi 2, how is Deluge getting the midi signal on a synth track!
The midi track from the NDLR is ‘learned’ to the Deluge synth track which means it set to receive MIDI from an external device on that track
@@SynthDad ya I understand the deluge learning part. but I thought ndlr is only sending midi data to one of the 4 channels in settings..... I tried it last night set pad, drone and motif to 4,5,6,7 but was able to 'learn' pad on deluge channel 1....
Interesting stuff but that Subscribe thing popping up every few minutes is really irritating. Maybe once at the end but not constantly through the video.
Thanks for the feedback on the Subscribe. I’ll put fewer into future videos
Where you get a blue ndlr from?
I got mine over 2 years ago so I think it was in the original Kickstarter batch
@@SynthDad sweet, I just got one! Can't wait to play with it!
year, 3 still haven't found one near mé
Yeah they're getting hard to find. I think they may start making them again.