I Built the The Machine that Made the Industrial Revolution
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Throughout my quest of building myself up from the Stone Age into my own Industrial Revolution, there is ONE machine that happens to be incredibly crucial - the lathe. Can I build this machine entirely from scratch? Let's find out!
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as a proof of concept it works ...but..... your going to want a "fine adjustment" for your tailstock to keep your work piece secured between the centers . yes you can wrap the rope around the work piece but it will get in the way while working the headstock end if it had a dog points on the face of a pulley rotating on a shaft in the headstock you could attach the work piece between a center and the dogs rotated by the pulley keeping the rope out of the way and with different pulley sizes having more or less rotation speed for a constant leg rhythm. your spring pole thicker probably 2+ inches of hardwood not growing shrubbery ! your probably more effective if the pole is directly over the work piece and tredal unless you like wasting energy holding the lathe down and forward . so as in all your videos yes it can be done but craftsmanship experience and knowledge will take it from it works to i can use it all day everyday and it is easier than any other way to do it ...thanks for the videos
When are you going to make glue? I feel like you have already reached the point when glue was being made.
I will soon hear in an episode "Today we will make a tractor".
@@benkayvfalsifier3817 horses arent cheap we dont keep as many around as we used to ..that means we dont have a surplus of horse hoof around to boil down into glue ..never mind the smell which would probably have neighbours calling police... but yes humans have stuck things to each other since rocks were our tools and htme is in iron age coming up to industrial revolution technologies well past neolithic!
Reminds me of the woodwright shop from pbs
As an english woodsman, the traditional pole lathe would be driven by a single hazel or birch sapling and the rope winding needs to be reversed so you are cutting on the spring stroke not trying to power it with your leg.
I'd add a flywheel and an S-shaped crank between the spring and the pedal, above or below the work piece so that pedal+spring spins the flywheel, leather cord over flywheel spins the work piece.
@@SonsOfLorgar Somewhat misses the point of the portable simplicity of the bodgers pole lathe. Wood-turners (known as bodgers) would work deep in the woods next to the coppicers cutting to make hurdles and basketry, the pole lathe could be quickly cut from raw materials on site, leaving the workman to only carry a rope and his chisels.
and as a tibetan stonemason, i concur. 😁
@@freemanjackmsiradio in fairness if he did that on the tailstock pin, on the outside of the tailstock, and wrapped the string from the poll around the crank, you'd not be carrying much extra for a lot of gain.
@@freemanjackmsiradio It's worth noting that that's that particular scenario, Andy is just trying to build efficient technology so while a bushcraft style lathe is definitely as you described, I am willing to bet that many had came up with more complex designs at the same point in time when this was a relevant technology, and, were more efficient + capable than just a simple portable bushcraft lathe.
You should make a flywheel, a one way pulling system and a system of pulleys that allows you to release the energy from the springy branch more slowly. This would make working on it much much easier I think.
A flywheel and a pedal crank attached to the spring would be more efficient than the pulley system. (Similiar system used to make thread in the 17th-18th century cottage industry)
I should probably build one of those lathes for myself tbh.
Similar to foot powered pottery wheels
I love treadle lathes! I've always wanted to build one. No pulleys or springs necessary, a crankshaft and a pedal attached to a flywheel will do great on its own.
@@SonsOfLorgar Well, It was hard to make the flywheel and any belt wheels before having THIS lathe. Now that he's got the ability to make some parts, he can upgrade to the treadle lathe with some leather belts to even maybe allow variable speed.
@@JessicaKStark yeah, this is the way. He would only need one belt if the flywheel and crankshaft inversely changed diameter over each other keeping the same tension regardless of belt placement; this would allow simplicity in trading speed for torque and vice versa. I think he just might throw the treadle out completely next time if he can get into water power, but a variable power flywheel is a must for that too
I feel like we need a progress marker at roughly where in time we are at. The jump from bog iron to the industrial revolution was crazy.
They're still in thoroughly pre-industrial, pole lathes are at the latest, a 13th century invention, so there's still, at least, ~500-600 years to get to industrial revolution.
@@My_initials_are_O.G.cuz_I_am yeah, I mistook them for metal working lathes. Still though I would love a progess tracker.
@@My_initials_are_O.G.cuz_I_am im pretty sure lathes have been used since egyptian times. The ancient greeks had screwcutting wood lathes.
@@kipter wow, amazing. Do you have a suggestion where to learn more about greek lathes?
We figure out long round stick attached to 2 round wood board before bc.
I'm sure lathe is much older.
So, now that I've finished the video, there are two notes to be made about the overall effect of your lathe.
Both have to do with the setup and stroke of energy.
One: You're short stroking it. Ideally you would have 720 degrees of rotation per stroke, and from the video I'm guessing you're barely getting 370.
Two: You've got the rope putting too much force horizontally on the workpiece. Ideally you would have the vector of energy nearly vertical.
The solution to both of these issues probably lies in using a pulley and counterweight system, rather than a random tree branch. Luckily, now that you have the lathe, making the parts for that upgrade should be simple.
Good to see you back at it.
the actual solution would be using a proper branch, 10-12 feet long and not a flimsy live one
@@jrk1666 That would also help, but he can't exactly pick the thing up, find the perfect tree in the woods and build a shack around it.
@@jono3952 you can cut the branch down and take it with you, it won't lose the springness for 2-3 years of use
Yeah, that lilac wasn't the strongest or springiest branch to use, the pulley and counterweight sounds like a solid plan
@@TheJohtunnBandit its just an overcomplicated solution, the english bodgers used poles to feed the windsor chair industry throughout the industrialization of england and it worked fine
I once heard a mechanical engineer say "The only tool that can build itself is a lathe"
I also think an interesting update to the period-accuracy "rule" is that, if you can find a version of the tool that was build by hand, it counts as using your OWN tool, because even in history, no one person did it ALL and people specialized and outsourced the making of all things to smaller masters. So, if you found a pull saw that was hand-made instead of a stamped and laser-hardened panel saw, you should be allowed to use THAT tool instead of continuing to be forced to use the one you made.
Yes, but the tool would have to be made using techniques available at the current time he's on. Then again it'd be better than some of the modern tools and stock they're using instead like the forge, lumber and steel. I'd love to see someone actually build their way to industrial revolution with 100% self made and processed tools and stock. It'd probably require a lot of people that 99% would just work on making stock but still.
Next step, use the pole lathe to turn a pulley and build a counter weight on the tredle to eliminate the need to the tree limb as the spring.
You now have me wondering... how much force (weight) would equate to green limb pull vs say... a lead weight?
honestly his next thing should be to turn 2 wheels and 2 shafts. Then put a crank on one of the shafts.
One thing I found in my research into spring pole lathes that might help, getting it as round as possible before you turn. While that sounds counter intuitive, doing the rough work with your axe first saves you time and most importantly energy. You can find axe marks left on wooden bowls that were turned after toughing.
Imagine the sense of satisfaction the first man had when got his rudimentary lathe working for the first time.
But the first industrial accident sent his head spinning
@@ChemEDan probably, or his hand. Imagine the first guy who got his long beard caught on the spinning work piece.
@@Mike-bs5pi Oof yeah, all the shop rules were discovered somewhere, sometime, by someone 😅
This is the video I've been waiting for on this channel! Lathe is king.
Fyi, you can now cut threads, you don't need a screw lathe to make threads, they can be made with a fork/comb tool. Although you'd need it spinning one way first. Minor issue.
Just what I was thinking. 😁 Then improve the tailstock with the threaded screw.
this channel keeps being amazing. Once in a while i just binge it
Yeah, same.
Right?!
Wow! I never even considered how important a development the lathe was. Your channel outshines the rest in not only illustrating these facts, but also how difficult these things would have been with rudimentary tools. Again, glad to see HTME back on your feet and with clearly brighter days ahead. Cheers!
Very interesting design. I believe Townsends had shown one similar. I like this! BTW, to help with not getting it the issue of it popping out, the tool rest should be slightly below the center of the object being turned. That way when you put your tool on it, the edge would be about center. This allows for it to not get caught. Which makes it safer for you, as flying objects means danger!
townsend probably would as would roy underhill ...springpole lathe i believe is french in origin though
This was neat, and the idea of using a tree like that...that's the sort of thing I feel like I've only ever seen in cartoons!
I think doing the three shorts about drills was a good way to introduce us to those that let that not distract from the main point of this episode while still explaining drilling technology. That was a good idea in my opinion, is what I'm saying. :)
I've been waiting on this one for a long time. Proud to be a supporter of what you do.
Love seeing you guys progress with industrial processes and manufacturing. Swords and stuff is cool, but seeing you progress with tools is awesome
Good to see an Alec Steele anvil being used! Great video, as always!
EDIT: Corrected Alex to Alec because autocorrect is a bastard.
*Alec* Steele
I like these collaborative videos, they show the value of specialisation as you go up the tech tree
I built a pole lathe about ten years ago as a temporary stop-gap between a finished treadle lathe with a flywheel (the frame was built to accommodate either). Long story short, the treadle never got built as I haven’t encountered a limitation with its function as a pole lathe. Over the years, the only real upgrades have been to allow for fine adjustments to the poppet tension (necessary as the holes on the turning stock will enlarge slightly as you’re turning) and adding some metal bar stock on the back of the tool rest. One bit of advice: rough shaping your stock (axe, drawknife, etc.) saves a ton of work on the pole lathe. Nice video. Interesting channel. Thanks.
I'm glad that this TURNED out so well!
i love the old treadle lathes they are so cool simple can be made entirely from wood (yes even the supporting centres) and best of all if you have the forethought to remove the random branches sticking out of the young sapling you use for it's spring you can even use it without needing to pull sap out of your hair afterwards
That frame you made turned out so well!
Great video! We love your re-boot content.
How is ur comment 12 h ago when the video is 12 s ago
@@vanlalhmuakafanai4203 Patreons probably get to view it before it goes public
I'm enjoying your series. When you start to lathe metal, bed warp will start to become a major issue. Stone slabs make nice flat strong surfaces.
This was pretty damn cool. Lathes are one of my favorite machine shop tools, and seeing y'all get a tool handle out of this one was neat.
A pretty neat follow up might be figuring out how to make a granite or glass surface plate that's nearly perfectly flat, as well as ways to test flatness.
cool video, although I think one improvement that could be made- Instead of using a green tree branch, could you make a counterweight on a swing-arm to do the same thing? Similar to something like bucket cranes for ancient irrigation, it'd allow you to set it in such a way that you can get fuller rotations, and also you dont have to keep beating on yourself with a tree-branch.
Also, add a flywheel and an S-shaped crank betwen the weight and the pedal for continuous single directional rotation.
An alternate to a natural spring-pole might be a Spanish windlass mechanism as part of the lathe's base and some pulleys. That would allow the setup to be relatively portable, and tension to provide the counter-force vs. the pedal would be in whatever ropes you use for the twists.
Another alternate would be to use some counterweights, but then you're lugging quite a bit of stones around and it's not as easy to relocate the entire setup.
Experienced crafts people, collaborations, and a growth of quality that comes with personal experience.
I really like the growth of a community that this channel is building.
One man against the world is cool, but community is family.
you can also use this with gravity battery, where you use a pully to help make it go back and forth rather than relying on a branch, you can just use a pully wheel on a structure and just use the weight.
My father has one that can shape metal, it's pretty advanced, more than the wooden one you made at least, he made stupidly expensive machines with it and saved tens of thousands of dollars.
I'm proud of you. You have come so far. Your level of craftsman intuition and material understanding is leaps and bounds further. Your tenacity is inspiring. You should be proud.
Having had used a reproduction "Green" pole lathe I can testify that they are hard work to use.
It's really good to see you back on track again and making full length videos again.
One of the guys from Townsends made a very nice one of these, that I think also takes advantage of counterweights to help enforce the springiness.
Wow that’s really good idea to make that I should do that when I get a garage well done Andy And you guys and my favorite guy from the 1/2 of king of random on UA-cam
I love that even after getting your shop burned down you still create stuff.
I think I could rig up a counter weight flywheel pedal system that would be the same principle but very effective
I mean, could you not just counterweight the rope on the piece being turned itself to the pedal? It's still pretty crazy they used this method to make things so long ago.
Awesome! Try making a flat plate! Flatness is one of the modern marvels!
Not quite true. While easy flatness is a modern marvel, being able to cast giant sheets of metal into molten glass so it floats to the surface and flattens out naturally, flatness itself has been around for ages. Planes were used to make large flat planks, for example, and sheets of metal could be made via rolling mills, running it through upside down to remove the bend that such typically cause (this process actually dates all the way back to ancient Egypt).
Andy is going to be super strong by the end of this series that has to be a heck of a workout
You just keep getting better and better, can't wait for your first semiconductor fab :D (I'm kinda joking, but seeing how far you've come I also wouldn't be surprised any more).
This chennel has been super interesting from the start, but it's only building up better &better. I'm so down for the steam punk revolution HTME
5:56 when the hammer taps the anvil it sounds so good
So near the end Andy was talking about needing a machine powered lathe to turn metal, I don't know the excat road map, but you absolutely can turn metal on a treadle lathe, the step up from a spring pole lathe
The only requirements for turning metal are firm clamping force, and constant forward rotation, HP and torque only matter when your able to produce tools capable of not breaking under the heavy and hot load of metal cutting
And for funsies, one average human is more then capable of producing enough HP and torque to exceed the maximum cutting conditions of a small tungsten carbide insert in steel. 😁😅 I learned that one the hard way on a treadle lathe!
This is great Andy! Can't wait to see what Peter Brown from ShopTime could do with this!
Make sure you leave all the little branches on the sampling, so while you're using your spring lathe you get whips of encouragement while you work
What would really help you is to make a chuck part which can hold the piece and where the force is applied, rather than using the piece to hold the brunt of your force from the chisel and the force from the string. You'll need to use the lathe to make the bearing or dowl, and the wheel on which the spring pulls. For the part that actually holds the piece, you need a flat or four sided blade to imbued end grain.
Why the springy tree branches? Step 1: Tie rope to rock. Step 2: Throw rock over some solid structure like a beam or thick tree limb. Step 3: With rock dangling, tie rope to foot or pedal. Step 4: Stomp foot to make lathe go brrr without breaking branches.
As an added bonus, the rock will automatically keep tension on the rope as the piece shrinks.
Step 5, friction frays the rope and cuts into the tree limb.
Step 6: rope or tree limb snaps and either weight falls on lathe or feet or branch falls on lathe and hands or head or all three...
with a little fiddling you could probably set up a weight at the end of the string instead which would probably be easier to utilise than a sapling
Good to see you collaborating with Nate!!
Most badass blacksmith i've ever seen.
that's pretty good for a first try. There's a couple of things I would do additionally, If you make one of the pins out of threaded rod you can make it adjustable with a handle, which really helps keep tension on the piece as you continue throughout the process. The other thing is the closer the tool-rest is to the piece of wood the more efficient your cutting will be since the lathe that you built is fairly wide, it's probably worth making some inset toolrests that minimise the gap between where the chisel pivots and where it cuts.
@1:40 amazing how you cut out that plank before cross cutting it
Great vid. I look forward every time I see you post something new
The first thing you Should try to make on this is a mechanism to attach the workpiece to a pulley and have that be what the springy tree spins, so you don't have to deal with a rope wrapped around your workpiece
Your lathe would benefit SIGNIFICANTLY from an Eccentric Crank connected to the foot-powered Power Pedal and a Flywheel connected with a belt to a Drive Center on one end, so that the Spur Center on the opposite (non-driving) end will allow the piece to freely rotate, but the Drive Center will actually drive the piece in a continuous single directional rotation instead of back and forth like that. If you can make the Spur Center able to rotate as well, that will reduce friction problems on the non-driving end and reduce the possibility of a kick-out that can cause severe injury. Lathe Kick-Out is much like Table Saw and Chainsaw Kickback... the work piece goes flying out... fast... and strikes anything in its way... hard.
I learned how to do lathe work on one. They're difficult and annoying but they work. The guy running the carpenters shop at a living village wouldn't let you on the treadle lathe until you had competency on the spring pole lathe. Great video!
Love the Alex Steele anvil!
I decide to build a table, or carve a bowl. This man decides to actually recreate the history of human technological/tool use evolution and the industrial revolution. If you end up getting to the time machine level, I'd love to go back to when I was a younger man and have the balls to attempt something this incredible. Love what your doing.
you can always change one of the two skewers rotatable and connect it to a flywheel and connect it to a lever with a pedal
The metal lathe construction is gonna be it's own 120 part series
This guy doesn't even know the principles of a bow lathe and you expect him to make a metal turning lathe?
Hey Nate, happy to see you in this channel. Hope you build great things and continue to entertain and educate us. While you were with TKOR I had requested you several times to build a pin hole camera, which is a primitive camera. Happy to see you with HOW TO MAKE EVERYTHING guy.
one of the biggest upgrades would be using gears, even if made out of wood. use gears to change the RPM and you will get more benefit and less energy loss out of the manual. also a large fly wheel even a sliding bearing one would help keep it rotating. one can also make a shifting fly wheel with water in a tube.
Don't sell the pole lathe short; I've turned brass on my pole lathe ( a tiny brass goblet). Just put a decent dint in each end. Also, put a few drops of olive oil on the pivots when turning anything, and some on the drive cord. It makes it last a lot longer. Have fun. Cheers from Australia
I love videos like this because it makes me want to do something like this. I found the video really cool definitely gonna go watch the previous ones
I have seen this used to very fine degree by Roy Underhill. On a show I watched in my youth call the Woodwrights shop on PBS He specialized in 1700s to 1800s wood working techniques.
Nate from the internet, Good and Basic, and HTME in one video wow thats awesome
I remember seeing in a book a picture of a lathe that used a pully with a weight on the other end. It looked like it took a half step on a pedal to pull the weight up, rotating the lathe. In the same book, they used something similar to make a primitive power hammer.
you should build a inner locking piece where the string could ride in. this piece would connect to the work piece so would prevent rope. break.
A heavy flywheel with a link to the pedal allows it to continue in one direction. Think of old tool sharpeners, sewing machines, ect. The rope should have a separate pulley, and a spring pole can still be used with a flywheel.
I love how you use primitive tools but use a modern dowel. Brilliant
Hahaha. I was thinking that too. "well that dowel he could make on.... the lathe he is making..." Haha Still fun to see.
He literally mentioned the bow as a spinning device and proceeded to use a drill bit on a stick.....the bow drill is the first primitive tool I ever made while practicing bush raft and survival skills
As soon as I saw the project starting, I thought Grant Thompson would have been a great add to the video, and started remembering TKOR then I saw Nate, and it made me happy
It will be interesting to see a metal lathe or milling machine made from scratch
I just want to let you know, that you're doing awesome, I cannot wait to try building my own things from scratch. I would like suggest a show you may enjoy, and that is "Dr. Stone" it is streaming on crunchy roll. The basic concept of the show is human kind is forced back into the stone age, and they have to work themselves back to modern era.
Crunchyroll has actually sponsored HTME to do Dr. Stone projects before! First was making cola like they did in the anime (non-sponsored), and then they sponsored the video where we made the gas mask.
Yes, I've been waiting to see this for a long time
"I find it very pleasing making things that make other things"
I completely agree sir. 😄👍
great to see nate from the internet building cool stuff!
What you guys have done is amazing... ⚒️
Technology begets technology. They are stacking up, up to this day. Creating even more complex technologies. I like this channel, showing the ways of the past in creating tools or technologies to better the human experience. Keep it up.
That blacksmith is fabulous
Great video and such hard work. Comment to help! Looking forward to more great episodes!
The survived will consider you a saint for you're work when you're videos are seen after the great boom boom.
got a shit eatin grin on my face seeing a steele anvil being used. so proud of alec and everything hes accomplished over the years
2:04 I don't know much about building primitive things. But I think if y'all burned all the way through the board with an ember and then drilled it out to complete the last little bit, it might've been less stress on the drill.
Good to see Nate! He's a smart guy!
the lathe is such a massive unlock in the tech tree
so cool!
Greatly anticipating you making a metal lathe. But right now your next step is a screw making machine. And I mean wooden screws like they have in printing presses.
When you get to the industrial revolution, you might want to start with a surface plate.
And when you make a metal lathe, make it big so you can make another lathe using it. Machining progress comes from multiple iterations as technology improves.
I can't wait for you to start casting bronze bearings (technically bushings) for a water wheel, and making wooden pulleys for the power transfer, leather belts rubbed with wax, and eventually, some steam!
It would likely cut better if the wood were drier as well. Give it a few days in the sun with the bark stipped off, maybe even heat it near a fire or in a cooking oven for a bit to get that water out. It would cut even better than what you are getting.
Now I want to make a bow lathe, to go with my regular modern lathe.
Poggers, been watching the whole series. Keep it going :)
perhaps rather than using springy tree to provide the drive force, try running drive rope up to a DIYed pully block, and then to a hanging weight?
regarding machine lathe... I have an idea how without gears, one might drive a carriage along an axis to say turn a fairly accurate screw thread, ... differential windlass... two winch drums of different diameters driven together by rotation of lathe ... a loop of rope winds onto one drum and off the other drum...
length of rope loop is related to how much drums have been turned. use a rope with a hanging weight to keep the tension constant.
Love to see you make some musical instruments, they are such an important part of human culture and you’ve completely ignored them in the reset so far.
Music is a different tool. Andy is focused on the industrial tools of society, not the cultural tools.
YOOOOO if he's advancing 100 years per episode he's gonna make future technology!
amaizing on how you rebuilt all that alone
This has been a long time coming. truly, the most powerful tool.
Coolness. Thanks inventor of the lathe.
God bless.
Yep. Still one of the very best channels on UA-cam.
Going back to the series of episodes where you made a suit Maybe to have a continuous spin on the work piece you could build one of those machines that are use to spin thread and figure out a way to attach it to the lathe. And there are some versions out there where the spinning motion comes from rocking two foot pedals back and forth
That would use a crank which is possible if you can come up with working bearings.
This series of collaborations has been great.
This is great, thank you!!