I already have a frsky usb dongle that I use with liftoff and after watching this video, I had an F4 flight doing nothing and a spare R-XSR so I set it up as per your instructions and it works a treat, thank you to you and the person who got this feature working.
Found this a long time after it was published, but for anyone interested, I did some latency measurements on a Unity based Sim. Using a QX7 via an XSR/OmnibusF4 combo (D16), the delay from switch press to screen change is 80mS up to about 100mS (lots of asynchronous activities, the variability is probably dependent on where you catch them). Swap that for a direct USB connection and it knocks about 20mS off, so the RF approach is about 20mS worse. Not surprising when you consider the extra stages invloved. For comparison, switch to some FC action (real quad) is about 20 to 40mS, averages about 30mS. Much faster, a lot of the Sim delay is probably the PC driver mechanism. However, it is not a fair comparison. To genuinely compare the quad and Sim you would need to add in the camera to FPV screen/goggles delay on the quad, because that is all part of the control loop. Don't know what that is, but maybe 20-30mS. So, in reality, the Sim response is fairly close to the quad, but the Sim Rx link makes it about 20mS worse compared to USB. I find this noticeably affects my speed and likelihood of crashing on a Sim. Would like to try the genuine FrSky Sim USB dongle - it might be faster as there may be less processing stages involved - but I don't have one.
This is why I subcribe to the know it all. I've never been able to play a sim. Today I'll see if I can give it a try! Many thanks Joshua. Flysky user here, great news for us pilots!
I don’t care what anybody says!!....this is an awesome feature!!!.....thank you for whoever came up with it and thank you Joshua for letting the world know about it!!!!🙏🙏👏👏
Amazing advice, thank you Josh. I'm a 43 year old total noob pilot and have purchased a couple of Mobula 7s to start whooping around my house and garden. As I made the mistake of trying to fly FPV before actually learning how to fly a drone, I've been crashing a LOT. Now, I've decided to learn to control the craft first, then I'll move to FPV once I'm a little more confident that I've built up a little muscle memory when it comes to actually controlling the darn thing! This hack, twinned with the kickass (and free) Tiny Whoop Go simulator has been an absolute godsend. I'm now working my way through the training exercises using my Spektrum Dx6i instead of my xbox controller. It's tougher but definitely way more helpful when I come to transfer back to the real world again tomorrow when the sun comes up. Thanks again!
Man you are an angel... I just gave up on connecting my fs i6 to my computer and started playing with a xbox Controller and than i watched your Video! Thanks so much
Joshua, your Channel ROCKS! I like a lot of other channels but many of them are Review oriented. Your channel is very centric to the education level of Drone education ranging from the beginner level all the way to the deeper end of the technical spectrum. I am new to the FPV hobby but I am an Engineer with many years of experience where I benefit from the deep technical knowledge that you often take the channel.
Hey Joshua. Thanks for this. Works great. Just a note I used my actual quad and had to plug in my battery to power my RX. A word of warning if this is your case as well. The quad still arms if connected to the sim so take your props off lol. The FC also eventually starts beeping in beacon mode which is annoying. So flip your arm switch on and off (props off) and it stops. Thanks for all the great content.
I can confirm it works on mac.. didn't do anything special it just worked.. i was playing freerider recharged and worked a treat.. nice work betaflight crew its awesome..
Man I have had drone's but not fpv i got one and it lasted a 4 days man water, I say" it splashed into the motherboard but everything else is fine well I bought another next time I know never near water. :(
I have a fs i6 and this was super helpful. I tried using smart propo plus and it didn't work on my computer. This did and I am so thankful. Your videos have been such a great help as I have built and am learning to fly my first fpv quad!
Nice Josh! And thank you Betaflight developers! Just as an option for others without f4 boards, hobby king has the dsmx/flysky wireless dongles for $16 in the US. I’ve purchase some 20+ dongles for students this year and they work great!
Yes Yes Yes!! I've been using this cruddy old Dynam usb simulator thing forever.. It worked, and made me think I was a really terrible pilot! I've been using my fs-i10 all day and turns out I wasn't as bad as I thought.
If you can compile your own betaflight it's pretty easy to get rid of stuff you don't want (like GPS or protocols you don't use) and make space for this on an F3 board.
This is awesome! Just flew over 2 hours in the sim... no more latency than using the usb cable and I can hold my controller the way I want without the cord in the way! Awesome! (Using crazybee F4 whoop board) thanks Josh you rock!
Fantastic, JB! I'm going to try it! 😀 One tip that looks like most people don't know: you can setup switches of the Taranis in Liftoff. What you need to do is to set the switches from channel 9 upwards (9, 10, 11 and so on). Then, on Liftoff, you go to options, control, buttons and set them in the right column. But the switches only works as 2 way switches. But you can have a switch to arm, another to pause, another to reset and so on. 😊
@@lucywucyyy can you help me out? i bought LiftOff and got a FS-T4B from a friend, so i got the SM100 Cable from Amazon yesterday, but the LitfOff Calibration does not even recognize the movement on the sticks even tho my Windows recognize there is a controller plugged in
Thank you. Good video. I'm just starting out in FPV and this is sorta really hard to get it all together. I like your initial advice. Crash the sim drone 200+ times and get to the point where you can see the limitations of the sim.
Works great! Got a cheap OBF4 and an XM RX. FC powers the RX with USB, so don't need a battery. Only problem I've encountered is after enabling the USB command it turns the FC into a game controller and it's no longer a com port and BF doesn't recognize it so it can't connect. Only way to I found to turn it off was to use the bootloader and rewrite the firmware. Easy enough with my dedicated FC but not if you use a highly configured quad.
There was already a thread on there about it so I tried the fix that was suggested and it worked. It was a STM driver issue, apparently mine was too old so this updated it. Thanks for the suggestion to head over there.
I will be using this feature, tired of the USB cable coming out of the bottom of my Q7S. Sometimes it comes unplugged in the middle of a simulator session. FPVModel had their X-Racer F4 on sale the other day for $20 so I jumped on it. Got an XM RX and I'm going to build a little box for my USB connection using an old 3S battery. Wish I had kept an old F4 I threw away because of solder pad issues, would have been perfect.
I have 3 older RC Helicopters sitting around with one having a Spectrum DX6 so I will give it a try instead of heading out and buying a new Radio Transmitter controller, Thanks
I wasn't too disappointed with the SmartPropoPlus solution. It worked quite nice after fiddling together a mono cable... Too bad that this new feature requires F4 or higher though...
I use SmartPropo as well -- just have to fiddle with my microphone settings to get it to work -- It works for me with a stereo cable. But I wonder if this is a better latency connection due to the digital protocol rather than PPM.
Wow! This was unexpected... Being one of the few radiolink users that I know, I always felt deprived of a great simulator experience. Thanks for the heads up!
Thx dude i just happened to lose my crappy homemade flysky audio cable. Not to mention i’m trying to make a fpv game and it was impossible without this kind of solution!
I feel like everything in this hobby is ridiculously, insanely frustrating lol Even the smallest things take a whole day of research. I wish it really was as easy as it looked in this video. lol
Nothing hard really... IMO, people who talk like you sound like they're either forcing themselves into this hobby or are being forced into it. Because I took this as a hobby and built my first quad about 6 years ago with much fewer resources and without the freedom of ordering whatever I wanted off the internet and get it at worse a week after placing the order due to where I used to live. Nowadays everybody want to get flying in the air right after they decide to participate in this hobby and are impatient... You got to enjoy every part of it, personally, I enjoy building and tuning quads more than I enjoy flying them. Not that I don't enjoy flying, but I like the idea of creating that flying machine I'm flying and know how to fix any part of it should it break.
@@AlbaderBohamad The barrier of entry is very high tough. For new ones like us we need to search a lot of sources, and those sources also asume you know anything about everything else. It's so hard connecting the dots when you have no idea about the full picture. It would be way easier if at least manufacturers included good guides. I know it's part of this hobby but it doesn't all need to be so extremely hard for beginners compared to other hobbies like drone photography where everything is much simpler because some company decided to simplify everything
@@FAQUERETERMAX barrier of entry should be high... or else anyone without knowledge would be flying these, usually where they shouldn't... this stuff forces you to actually learn how i works, so if something goes bad you know how to fix it...or prevent disasters
@@gothic6662 I agree not everyone should be flying but why is it so hard to include simple instructions or standarize more things like camera connectors? Every information you try to gather is hidden into multiple fractions, and I'm not saying its bad, it's part of the hobby we all love, but it would help a lot to have that information available when you need it the most. I think it would certainly stop dangers like stuff falling from the sky, or not being able to see correctly.
My friend resolved his issue on Mac. For people who are on Mac & use the dongle (need to put on G5/G7 Above) = doesn't work on USB3. Just need to connect a USB2 hub on USB3 & it works. Surely it can be helpfull.
A little tidbit, it doesn't even need a receiver if you use the trainer port and set up the receiver as PPM. I just made a video showcasing this on a (really) cheap controller.
smoked an F4 trying to turtle recently. I use a tablet to sim with and HATE the cable... this will ROCK if it actually works. will update shortly (@2 hours after home from work)
Is this feature still available in Betaflight's latest releases ? I have a FlySky FSi6 transmitter and the X6B receiver. I would like to know if the JBardwell F4 or the Kakute F7 are able to power up my receiver through USB as explained at 4:45 (I'm new to this whole FPV world - I don't have any Lipo's yet 😉 ) ?
I watched this video months ago but i didn't have an F4 board. I finally got hold of a Betaflight F4 v3 yesterday and tried connecting my FS-IA6B. Uart6 seems to be unusable with the FS-IA6B but luckily it works on Uart3. So the covid lockdown continues on a simulator. ;-)
@@oiMulDerx Windows installs it as a wheel and messes with Yaw and throttle and I havent got past that problem yet. In Betaflight the receiver works 100% on all axis and buttons. set up your what?
@@oiMulDerx I havent given up yet but it is a test for sure. I'm not sure if the radio isnt playing a small part as well as windows. Mines no longer accessible in Betaflight as it's no longer on a com port. Luckily there are plenty of hours left but I am getting hungry.
Just an observation mate if you bought a sim with a usb dongle +wire to any 5v point on the dongle -wire to any ground point on the dongle and a signal wire connected to the ppm signal of your usb dongle (i use a servo wire) connect the plug from the dongle to your ppm rc receivers ppm port and you have a rc system connected to your pc via ppm ANY ppm rx will work and thats been possible to do for years? ie when ppm rx's came out for the original dx6i i modded my dongle and when i got my devo7e and modded it it linked to the same modded dongle via spektrums ppm rx might save those who dont know a bit of money ;)
its the same as making a ppm wire to conect transmitter to pc only this way its wireless and has the same range as your rx :) in theory if your rx transmits half a mile + you could stand at the back of wembly stadium link a pc to the massive screens run your sim and enjoy :D
There are other options for those transmitters without USB: 1. Connect your Kwad to PC and use VJoySerialFeeder with MultiWii protocol (works even with F3 boards): ua-cam.com/video/6RsGqLJqsD4/v-deo.html 2. Connect spare receiver to Arduino board and use VJoySerialFeeder: ua-cam.com/video/TRnu2_TI9Vk/v-deo.html 3. Connect spare receiver to Arduino board, flash it with firmware supporting HUD USB Joystick (works with PPM and maybe SBUS)
Totally hate to purchase extra cables only for sim training. At least now is possible to involve quad in process :D I'm curious what about cheap 200+ mW VTX-es - they will fry to crisp during such sim training session. Seems VTX with PIT mode is mandatory to play sim games with connected quad.
Hi, I have a mavic and a phantom, I would like to know if it is possible to use DJI controls for simulators like this. I know it works with the Dji Flight Simulator (plug and play) but I would like to simulate racing drones. Thanks for all!
that is pretty awesome... however there is a few options still... buy a "22 in 1 rc flight simulator cable" and it'll use the trainer port set it to the VRC setting (at least on mine) and the computer uses it as a joystick controller... it's wired but it works fine, I use my taranis and then my son uses his frsky without issue.
Great knowledge....Ty but I'm still not able to make it work? Do you keep it plugged into betaflight and have it connected the whole time or just save and then got to game and then power it up and bind with the fc your going to use? Also using Chromebook so with no drivers and a Mac thats 10.5.8 😤..I am running Linux on the Chromebook and in betaflight it recognizes the usb? So I know I dont get it... I know I gotta deal with the Mac OS lol but am dying to try a sim...any suggestions... Ty again for all your info....
Hi Joshua, thanx for the amazing video as always. Can you do a a review on Lift off or DRL & let us know which one is good as you always show amazing videos like that 😊. We all appreciate the work U do & that U have done for the FPV world, we need people like U, thanx for everything!
Yes U did & I've seen that but not about DRS or a video of them both as which is "Better" then the other. U also mentioned that U will do also video's on simulators 😏......
Brilliant, thank you so much. These BG and other dongles are more about the "pirated" simulators than the connections JB. Love this method, Velocidrone here I come! lol
My receiver has the size of an usb stick and costs a total of 10 bucks. As a beginner, I think that's just another great workaround. Thanks for your vids, these are great to start flying !
never been so happy to see josh holding a flysky transmitter ,,id love for him to do a range test on them ,they can go quite far apprently i havent gone to far with mine im to scared of a failsafe lol
I don't think the program memory on the F3 boards is the issue, it is because the F4/7 support multiple USB devices... or... it would be possible to use an old F3 board just for the simulator with a slimmed down build!
Joshua thank you so much... but before buying a f4 fc, i use a turnigy 9xr pro transmitter with a multiprotocol module... will i have some problems with them trying to do what you show one your video?
What is the cheapest FC in 2022 that would also have a receiver to use exclusively for a simulator? Really want to practice on a simulator but I have a F3 flight controller :/ don't want to buy an expensive FC as well as a new receiver
Is there a way to know if a FC I’m buying will be powered by usb alone? As I’m looking around for units I’m finding that it’s not an advertised feature (I don’t think).
Not sure if anyone will see this comment on a 3-year-old video but here goes... I don't know anything about fpv quads, I'm trying to set up a simulator before I get a quad. Not knowing anything about the fpv system what what do I need to set up a simulator? I want it to be realistic so I want to use the same radio and goggles that I'll use when I get a drone, eh, quad so starting from there what would you recommend? I don't want a toy quad just to play with. When the time comes I want to get something like a cine whoop or five or seven inch, something that can carry a GoPro and get good footage. In this video you mentioned Tyrannis radios. Are they good ones to use to fly or did you just mention it because they have a USB which is helpful for the simulator? Thank you!
I do have a Taranis and it came with a USB that works amazingly with simulators but it also charges the radio when it's plugged in (I guess because the computer just sees it as a joystick that needs constant power to work). I feel like that's gotta be bad for the 2s lipo I have in the radio so what should I do? P.S. I feel like that would happen even if I plugged it in for firmware updates although I haven't tried that yet.
Bonjour Grâce à vous j'ai réussi à connecter la radiocommande ER8 du novice 3 à mon ordinateur pour faire de la simulation sur liftof. Je me sers du drone pour connecter la radiocommande. Hello Thanks to you I managed to connect the ER8 remote control of novice 3 to my computer to do simulation on liftof. I am using the drone to connect the remote control 👏👏👏😉👍
Ive watched a lot of your videos over the last year, and you know what? I learned something! Thanks for this one especially. I've been wanting to get into fpv for a while but with a radiolink transmitter i could never get the sims to work. Now I'm going to give it a try! My first custom build is an old dji flamewheel with a cc3d, is there a good f4 or f7 board you would recommend for this frame?
I have a bunch of slightly damaged F3 flight controllers laying around. Is it possible to create a custom BF version for it with this feature on? I mean i wouldn't use them for flying anyway. So it doesn't need a lot of stuff, it could contain this function instead of others.
Another FRSKY issue/// I bought the XSRSIM usb RX and it seems to say i can bind to a DJT module but cannot seem to get it working. Is that internet lies and i need an XJT module or new radio?? Thank you Joshua in advance.
Hi . This was fantastic advice. I hooked up my Emax Tinyhawk to my computer and ran Velocidrone, using the toy-like Emax controller and it all worked. Until I replaced my controller with a Jumper T16. Now I can't use this technique because the sim doesn't see the controller anymore. I reset the sim and still nothing. I tried USB-ing from radio to computer, setting the radio to 'joystick'. Still nothing. What am I doing wrong?
Does it support more channels than just throttle, yaw, pitch and roll? i.e. in Velocidrone you can set your camera angle from your radio, but using this method via a flight controller seems to be limited to 4 channels only?
You have to set up the aux switch assignments manually in your Taranis. By default the switches are not assigned. If you set them up, then it will work.
can you recommend a flight controller that would be good for this purpose alone? i have an fsi6 and using the simulator cable sucks as only the gimbals work, the switches and knobs dont, plus the cable is pretty annoying i wanna do this but i dont have a flight controller just a receiver. whats the cheapest one that will be powered by usb and work for this? also i intend to fly planes not quads does the flight controller matter for that?
I already have a frsky usb dongle that I use with liftoff and after watching this video, I had an F4 flight doing nothing and a spare R-XSR so I set it up as per your instructions and it works a treat, thank you to you and the person who got this feature working.
Josh is the best!!!!!!! Nobody better on explaining how she's done!!!!!
Big THANKS!!!!!!
Found this a long time after it was published, but for anyone interested, I did some latency measurements on a Unity based Sim.
Using a QX7 via an XSR/OmnibusF4 combo (D16), the delay from switch press to screen change is 80mS up to about 100mS (lots of asynchronous activities, the variability is probably dependent on where you catch them). Swap that for a direct USB connection and it knocks about 20mS off, so the RF approach is about 20mS worse. Not surprising when you consider the extra stages invloved.
For comparison, switch to some FC action (real quad) is about 20 to 40mS, averages about 30mS. Much faster, a lot of the Sim delay is probably the PC driver mechanism.
However, it is not a fair comparison. To genuinely compare the quad and Sim you would need to add in the camera to FPV screen/goggles delay on the quad, because that is all part of the control loop. Don't know what that is, but maybe 20-30mS.
So, in reality, the Sim response is fairly close to the quad, but the Sim Rx link makes it about 20mS worse compared to USB. I find this noticeably affects my speed and likelihood of crashing on a Sim.
Would like to try the genuine FrSky Sim USB dongle - it might be faster as there may be less processing stages involved - but I don't have one.
This is why I subcribe to the know it all. I've never been able to play a sim. Today I'll see if I can give it a try! Many thanks Joshua. Flysky user here, great news for us pilots!
Is there a way to get our controller to work on Xbox One for DCL?
@@johnphillips7444 I have dualshock 4 it works with DCL. I don't have xbox controller but i think that should work.
John Phillips yes you just have to connect it to Bluetooth through settings on your computer
I need to clarify, Is there a way to connect our RC flight controller to Xbox One, to play DCL on it.
I don’t care what anybody says!!....this is an awesome feature!!!.....thank you for whoever came up with it and thank you Joshua for letting the world know about it!!!!🙏🙏👏👏
Amazing advice, thank you Josh.
I'm a 43 year old total noob pilot and have purchased a couple of Mobula 7s to start whooping around my house and garden. As I made the mistake of trying to fly FPV before actually learning how to fly a drone, I've been crashing a LOT. Now, I've decided to learn to control the craft first, then I'll move to FPV once I'm a little more confident that I've built up a little muscle memory when it comes to actually controlling the darn thing!
This hack, twinned with the kickass (and free) Tiny Whoop Go simulator has been an absolute godsend.
I'm now working my way through the training exercises using my Spektrum Dx6i instead of my xbox controller. It's tougher but definitely way more helpful when I come to transfer back to the real world again tomorrow when the sun comes up.
Thanks again!
Man you are an angel... I just gave up on connecting my fs i6 to my computer and started playing with a xbox Controller and than i watched your Video! Thanks so much
Joshua, your Channel ROCKS! I like a lot of other channels but many of them are Review oriented. Your channel is very centric to the education level of Drone education ranging from the beginner level all the way to the deeper end of the technical spectrum. I am new to the FPV hobby but I am an Engineer with many years of experience where I benefit from the deep technical knowledge that you often take the channel.
Thanks for the feedback!
Hey Joshua. Thanks for this. Works great. Just a note I used my actual quad and had to plug in my battery to power my RX. A word of warning if this is your case as well. The quad still arms if connected to the sim so take your props off lol. The FC also eventually starts beeping in beacon mode which is annoying. So flip your arm switch on and off (props off) and it stops. Thanks for all the great content.
I can confirm it works on mac.. didn't do anything special it just worked.. i was playing freerider recharged and worked a treat.. nice work betaflight crew its awesome..
In case anyone searched the description and didn't find the command:
set usb_hid_cdc = on
Thanks man!
Awesome work BF. Very impressed and glad to see a feature that is so beneficial in helping the community grow!!!!!!!!
absolute valid point. My story short. Bought a racing drone, flew less then 5 minutes. my drone crashed into a river and that was my drone.
Man I have had drone's but not fpv i got one and it lasted a 4 days man water, I say" it splashed into the motherboard but everything else is fine well I bought another next time I know never near water. :(
its been over a year since flying a quad really grateful for this....thanks can practice before I take to the skies
I have a fs i6 and this was super helpful. I tried using smart propo plus and it didn't work on my computer. This did and I am so thankful. Your videos have been such a great help as I have built and am learning to fly my first fpv quad!
Do you know if the fs i6 is actually being recognized as a gamepad so you can also use it in different games like other controllers?
Nice Josh! And thank you Betaflight developers!
Just as an option for others without f4 boards, hobby king has the dsmx/flysky wireless dongles for $16 in the US. I’ve purchase some 20+ dongles for students this year and they work great!
How can this man be so smart?
Yes Yes Yes!! I've been using this cruddy old Dynam usb simulator thing forever.. It worked, and made me think I was a really terrible pilot! I've been using my fs-i10 all day and turns out I wasn't as bad as I thought.
If you can compile your own betaflight it's pretty easy to get rid of stuff you don't want (like GPS or protocols you don't use) and make space for this on an F3 board.
This is awesome! Just flew over 2 hours in the sim... no more latency than using the usb cable and I can hold my controller the way I want without the cord in the way! Awesome! (Using crazybee F4 whoop board) thanks Josh you rock!
Wow, completely missed this upload JB. Outstanding!
And here we are at the doorway to BF 4.0 :-)
Fantastic, JB! I'm going to try it! 😀
One tip that looks like most people don't know: you can setup switches of the Taranis in Liftoff. What you need to do is to set the switches from channel 9 upwards (9, 10, 11 and so on). Then, on Liftoff, you go to options, control, buttons and set them in the right column. But the switches only works as 2 way switches. But you can have a switch to arm, another to pause, another to reset and so on. 😊
But the betaflight joystick emulation only transmits the 1st 8 channels.
Joshua Bardwell Oh, no, I mean when you connect via USB. 😊
Omg where was this video when I got started 😂😂😭😭😭😭 thanks JB for the video it's helped loads
Omg than you I’ve been told I can’t play sims this whole time cause I have the tinygo gr8 radio but it works now!!!
Thank you, I wish I saw this video before I bought the Flysky Sm100 USB adopter.
I just bought 2 OTG cables.. One is micro USB on both sides, the other one is a 4 wire splitter.
same the sm100 sucks
@@lucywucyyy can you help me out? i bought LiftOff and got a FS-T4B from a friend, so i got the SM100 Cable from Amazon yesterday, but the LitfOff Calibration does not even recognize the movement on the sticks even tho my Windows recognize there is a controller plugged in
@@dronefeverpty9594 i wish i could help but honestly i ahve no idea what im doing myself, i havnt gotten anything workign either lol
@@lucywucyyy AWW, thanks anyways!
This works great! Much better than the cable I was dragging around
5 years ago and I just did this for the first time. Looks like could be more reliable than the elrs bluetooth which never worked for me, neat!
You are the best Josh. Thank you for all your good news
Buddy Fried the USB Port of my qx7... Now i found this, no need to replace the Mainboard 👍
Just keeps getting better.TY JB
Thank you for yet another awesome video Joshua! Your videos have helped me out so much! :-D
Thank you. Good video. I'm just starting out in FPV and this is sorta really hard to get it all together. I like your initial advice. Crash the sim drone 200+ times and get to the point where you can see the limitations of the sim.
Thanks for the video, Josh. I just realized my Boxer and I wanted to get used to it.
Finally a decent reason to get a betaflight board ;) … thanks Joshua, this was very helpful
Everything was left in the dust by KISS XD
Works great! Got a cheap OBF4 and an XM RX. FC powers the RX with USB, so don't need a battery. Only problem I've encountered is after enabling the USB command it turns the FC into a game controller and it's no longer a com port and BF doesn't recognize it so it can't connect. Only way to I found to turn it off was to use the bootloader and rewrite the firmware. Easy enough with my dedicated FC but not if you use a highly configured quad.
Report this as a bug in Github.
There was already a thread on there about it so I tried the fix that was suggested and it worked. It was a STM driver issue, apparently mine was too old so this updated it. Thanks for the suggestion to head over there.
We are not worthy of the betaflight developers. Great work!
I will be using this feature, tired of the USB cable coming out of the bottom of my Q7S. Sometimes it comes unplugged in the middle of a simulator session. FPVModel had their X-Racer F4 on sale the other day for $20 so I jumped on it. Got an XM RX and I'm going to build a little box for my USB connection using an old 3S battery. Wish I had kept an old F4 I threw away because of solder pad issues, would have been perfect.
I have 3 older RC Helicopters sitting around with one having a Spectrum DX6 so I will give it a try instead of heading out and buying a new Radio Transmitter controller, Thanks
Dude, thanks for this. So glad I invested in the betaflight F7 FC now :)
I wasn't too disappointed with the SmartPropoPlus solution. It worked quite nice after fiddling together a mono cable...
Too bad that this new feature requires F4 or higher though...
I use SmartPropo as well -- just have to fiddle with my microphone settings to get it to work -- It works for me with a stereo cable. But I wonder if this is a better latency connection due to the digital protocol rather than PPM.
Ppm is fine for me as i flight with ppm in real life too :-)
Thanks for the help! You do a lot for the community!
"Take your props off, you dufus!" - J. Bardwell , 2018
Looooved that. Thanks for a rare morning chuckle!
Wow! This was unexpected... Being one of the few radiolink users that I know, I always felt deprived of a great simulator experience. Thanks for the heads up!
now all i need is a time machine.
Just what I was looking for right now, thanks from Australia.
Awesome! I'm flashing that old BabyHawk board right now.
Thx dude i just happened to lose my crappy homemade flysky audio cable. Not to mention i’m trying to make a fpv game and it was impossible without this kind of solution!
I feel like everything in this hobby is ridiculously, insanely frustrating lol Even the smallest things take a whole day of research. I wish it really was as easy as it looked in this video. lol
It's so true, and everyone automatically asumes you know everything about anything lol. Even manufacturers
Nothing hard really... IMO, people who talk like you sound like they're either forcing themselves into this hobby or are being forced into it.
Because I took this as a hobby and built my first quad about 6 years ago with much fewer resources and without the freedom of ordering whatever I wanted off the internet and get it at worse a week after placing the order due to where I used to live.
Nowadays everybody want to get flying in the air right after they decide to participate in this hobby and are impatient... You got to enjoy every part of it, personally, I enjoy building and tuning quads more than I enjoy flying them. Not that I don't enjoy flying, but I like the idea of creating that flying machine I'm flying and know how to fix any part of it should it break.
@@AlbaderBohamad The barrier of entry is very high tough. For new ones like us we need to search a lot of sources, and those sources also asume you know anything about everything else. It's so hard connecting the dots when you have no idea about the full picture. It would be way easier if at least manufacturers included good guides. I know it's part of this hobby but it doesn't all need to be so extremely hard for beginners compared to other hobbies like drone photography where everything is much simpler because some company decided to simplify everything
@@FAQUERETERMAX barrier of entry should be high... or else anyone without knowledge would be flying these, usually where they shouldn't... this stuff forces you to actually learn how i works, so if something goes bad you know how to fix it...or prevent disasters
@@gothic6662 I agree not everyone should be flying but why is it so hard to include simple instructions or standarize more things like camera connectors? Every information you try to gather is hidden into multiple fractions, and I'm not saying its bad, it's part of the hobby we all love, but it would help a lot to have that information available when you need it the most. I think it would certainly stop dangers like stuff falling from the sky, or not being able to see correctly.
My friend resolved his issue on Mac. For people who are on Mac & use the dongle (need to put on G5/G7 Above) = doesn't work on USB3. Just need to connect a USB2 hub on USB3 & it works. Surely it can be helpfull.
You do good things Mr. Bardwell.
You can also connect your receiver to arduino. I think it was limited to PPM/IBUS Receiver but there is a script for using sbus receiver too.
more this: ua-cam.com/video/TRnu2_TI9Vk/v-deo.html + github.com/Robinhuett/sbuscontroller
Turnigy Evolution plugs in as a general joystick. And it is charges from USB, wich is cool.
Sweet you made the video I ask you to thank you josh that's freaking awesome man. Thank you
I made it just for you :-)
Been looking forward to this feature for a long time!
A little tidbit, it doesn't even need a receiver if you use the trainer port and set up the receiver as PPM. I just made a video showcasing this on a (really) cheap controller.
For cleanflight/KISS/Multiwii/other firmware/F3 users, you can use a program called VJoySerialFeeder (github by Cleric-K)
You're sure it works with F3? If so, thanks a lot. I have a broken F3 FC, I'll definitely be doing this!
smoked an F4 trying to turtle recently. I use a tablet to sim with and HATE the cable... this will ROCK if it actually works. will update shortly (@2 hours after home from work)
F4 crazybee AIO from a mob7... micro USB on FC to USBC on tablet. QX7S is miniUSB to USBC. we shall see....
Is this feature still available in Betaflight's latest releases ?
I have a FlySky FSi6 transmitter and the X6B receiver. I would like to know if the JBardwell F4 or the Kakute F7 are able to power up my receiver through USB as explained at 4:45 (I'm new to this whole FPV world - I don't have any Lipo's yet 😉 ) ?
I have the same receiver with i6x transmitter. I get nothing on windows 10.
I watched this video months ago but i didn't have an F4 board. I finally got hold of a Betaflight F4 v3 yesterday and tried connecting my FS-IA6B. Uart6 seems to be unusable with the FS-IA6B but luckily it works on Uart3. So the covid lockdown continues on a simulator. ;-)
could you please tell me how to set it up? Mine connects, but every channel is ON/OFF. So Full throttle or no throttle etc
@@oiMulDerx Windows installs it as a wheel and messes with Yaw and throttle and I havent got past that problem yet.
In Betaflight the receiver works 100% on all axis and buttons.
set up your what?
@@spex357 yes same here. But it ofcourse is unusable as it is now, but I cant fix the end points/rates etc. Calibration doesnt work
@@oiMulDerx I havent given up yet but it is a test for sure.
I'm not sure if the radio isnt playing a small part as well as windows. Mines no longer accessible in Betaflight as it's no longer on a com port. Luckily there are plenty of hours left but I am getting hungry.
@@oiMulDerx I managed to get it working on a Arduino and using Vjoy. But yaw is missing on one simulator and the rates need altering.
Just an observation mate if you bought a sim with a usb dongle +wire to any 5v point on the dongle -wire to any ground point on the dongle and a signal wire connected to the ppm signal of your usb dongle (i use a servo wire) connect the plug from the dongle to your ppm rc receivers ppm port and you have a rc system connected to your pc via ppm
ANY ppm rx will work and thats been possible to do for years? ie when ppm rx's came out for the original dx6i i modded my dongle and when i got my devo7e and modded it it linked to the same modded dongle via spektrums ppm rx
might save those who dont know a bit of money ;)
its the same as making a ppm wire to conect transmitter to pc only this way its wireless and has the same range as your rx :) in theory if your rx transmits half a mile + you could stand at the back of wembly stadium link a pc to the massive screens run your sim and enjoy :D
There are other options for those transmitters without USB:
1. Connect your Kwad to PC and use VJoySerialFeeder with MultiWii protocol (works even with F3 boards): ua-cam.com/video/6RsGqLJqsD4/v-deo.html
2. Connect spare receiver to Arduino board and use VJoySerialFeeder: ua-cam.com/video/TRnu2_TI9Vk/v-deo.html
3. Connect spare receiver to Arduino board, flash it with firmware supporting HUD USB Joystick (works with PPM and maybe SBUS)
Totally hate to purchase extra cables only for sim training. At least now is possible to involve quad in process :D
I'm curious what about cheap 200+ mW VTX-es - they will fry to crisp during such sim training session. Seems VTX with PIT mode is mandatory to play sim games with connected quad.
Now my old Omnibus F4 is back in business. Great 😀
Simple ideas Are always the best and this one is right up there!
Hi, I have a mavic and a phantom, I would like to know if it is possible to use DJI controls for simulators like this. I know it works with the Dji Flight Simulator (plug and play) but I would like to simulate racing drones. Thanks for all!
Same question here, but cannot find answer for it. :(
Awesome! I'll try it tonight. I have so many FC and receiver that I'm not using!
that is pretty awesome... however there is a few options still... buy a "22 in 1 rc flight simulator cable" and it'll use the trainer port set it to the VRC setting (at least on mine) and the computer uses it as a joystick controller... it's wired but it works fine, I use my taranis and then my son uses his frsky without issue.
I like that simulator.
The last time I used one (3 years ago) I had one, but it was like flying with moon gravity on.
Evidently things have changed.
Nice, great stuff JB🤙🏻
Great knowledge....Ty but I'm still not able to make it work? Do you keep it plugged into betaflight and have it connected the whole time or just save and then got to game and then power it up and bind with the fc your going to use? Also using Chromebook so with no drivers and a Mac thats 10.5.8 😤..I am running Linux on the Chromebook and in betaflight it recognizes the usb? So I know I dont get it... I know I gotta deal with the Mac OS lol but am dying to try a sim...any suggestions... Ty again for all your info....
Hi Joshua, thanx for the amazing video as always. Can you do a a review on Lift off or DRL & let us know which one is good as you always show amazing videos like that 😊. We all appreciate the work U do & that U have done for the FPV world, we need people like U, thanx for everything!
I already reviewed liftoff. Search my channel.
Yes U did & I've seen that but not about DRS or a video of them both as which is "Better" then the other. U also mentioned that U will do also video's on simulators 😏......
Classic Joshua B.!!! Thanks for the amazing information!!
Brilliant, thank you so much. These BG and other dongles are more about the "pirated" simulators than the connections JB. Love this method, Velocidrone here I come! lol
very nice info indeed I supported your channel last night
I used to use Radiolink AT9 with Liftoff without any issues, you just had to buy proper usb dongle for couple of euros
The vJoySerialFeeder plugin works also fine with an Arduino Nano, and an 8 bucks receiver.
Ummm.... sure but this works with the FC you already own and doesn't require the vjoy plugin. So it seems like this is a winner.
My receiver has the size of an usb stick and costs a total of 10 bucks. As a beginner, I think that's just another great workaround.
Thanks for your vids, these are great to start flying !
never been so happy to see josh holding a flysky transmitter ,,id love for him to do a range test on them ,they can go quite far apprently i havent gone to far with mine im to scared of a failsafe lol
I don't think the program memory on the F3 boards is the issue, it is because the F4/7 support multiple USB devices...
or... it would be possible to use an old F3 board just for the simulator with a slimmed down build!
thanks again I had drl but would not connect. All is well now.
About time Betaflight catches up... Have been using KissVJoy for years on the Kiss platform.
Joshua thank you so much... but before buying a f4 fc, i use a turnigy 9xr pro transmitter with a multiprotocol module... will i have some problems with them trying to do what you show one your video?
As long as you can bind to the receiver it will be fine.
@@JoshuaBardwell thank you once more...
how about a skycontroller 1 by parrot bebop? is it possible to enter the simulator?
I don't think so.
What is the cheapest FC in 2022 that would also have a receiver to use exclusively for a simulator? Really want to practice on a simulator but I have a F3 flight controller :/ don't want to buy an expensive FC as well as a new receiver
Great Stuff Josh, What about a DJI transmitter? will that also work on simulator?
Yes it just plugs right in to the PC.
Is there a way to know if a FC I’m buying will be powered by usb alone? As I’m looking around for units I’m finding that it’s not an advertised feature (I don’t think).
Would there be any negative to putting your vtx into pit mode? Would this keep the heat down enough to sit there while I fly on the simulator? Thanks!
Not sure if anyone will see this comment on a 3-year-old video but here goes...
I don't know anything about fpv quads, I'm trying to set up a simulator before I get a quad. Not knowing anything about the fpv system what what do I need to set up a simulator? I want it to be realistic so I want to use the same radio and goggles that I'll use when I get a drone, eh, quad so starting from there what would you recommend?
I don't want a toy quad just to play with. When the time comes I want to get something like a cine whoop or five or seven inch, something that can carry a GoPro and get good footage.
In this video you mentioned Tyrannis radios. Are they good ones to use to fly or did you just mention it because they have a USB which is helpful for the simulator? Thank you!
I do have a Taranis and it came with a USB that works amazingly with simulators but it also charges the radio when it's plugged in (I guess because the computer just sees it as a joystick that needs constant power to work). I feel like that's gotta be bad for the 2s lipo I have in the radio so what should I do? P.S. I feel like that would happen even if I plugged it in for firmware updates although I haven't tried that yet.
Bonjour
Grâce à vous j'ai réussi à connecter la radiocommande ER8 du novice 3 à mon ordinateur pour faire de la simulation sur liftof. Je me sers du drone pour connecter la radiocommande.
Hello Thanks to you I managed to connect the ER8 remote control of novice 3 to my computer to do simulation on liftof. I am using the drone to connect the remote control
👏👏👏😉👍
Ive watched a lot of your videos over the last year, and you know what? I learned something! Thanks for this one especially. I've been wanting to get into fpv for a while but with a radiolink transmitter i could never get the sims to work. Now I'm going to give it a try! My first custom build is an old dji flamewheel with a cc3d, is there a good f4 or f7 board you would recommend for this frame?
www.fpvknowitall.com/ultimate-fpv-shopping-list/
That's my suggestion for parts and tools, including flight controllers :-)
I have a bunch of slightly damaged F3 flight controllers laying around. Is it possible to create a custom BF version for it with this feature on? I mean i wouldn't use them for flying anyway. So it doesn't need a lot of stuff, it could contain this function instead of others.
Yesss!!!! Victoryyy!!! Betaflight rules!
kiss has been doing this for years via kissvjoy, betaflight is forever playing catch-up to flyduino.
You need to make a new video for this set up with the latest betaflight and radionmaster t16s
Literally nothing has changed as far as I know.
Another FRSKY issue/// I bought the XSRSIM usb RX and it seems to say i can bind to a DJT module but cannot seem to get it working. Is that internet lies and i need an XJT module or new radio?? Thank you Joshua in advance.
I understand this applies to drones but would it work ok to fly fixed wing in say realflight?
Hi . This was fantastic advice. I hooked up my Emax Tinyhawk to my computer and ran Velocidrone, using the toy-like Emax controller and it all worked. Until I replaced my controller with a Jumper T16. Now I can't use this technique because the sim doesn't see the controller anymore. I reset the sim and still nothing. I tried USB-ing from radio to computer, setting the radio to 'joystick'. Still nothing. What am I doing wrong?
Never mind. Got it sorted out. Have to bind the drone after I turn off and turn on the radio. Thanks.
Does it support more channels than just throttle, yaw, pitch and roll? i.e. in Velocidrone you can set your camera angle from your radio, but using this method via a flight controller seems to be limited to 4 channels only?
You have to set up the aux switch assignments manually in your Taranis. By default the switches are not assigned. If you set them up, then it will work.
can you recommend a flight controller that would be good for this purpose alone?
i have an fsi6 and using the simulator cable sucks as only the gimbals work, the switches and knobs dont, plus the cable is pretty annoying i wanna do this but i dont have a flight controller just a receiver.
whats the cheapest one that will be powered by usb and work for this?
also i intend to fly planes not quads does the flight controller matter for that?
nvm i didnt check the description
Awesome view brother!
Thanks a lot! It was always incredibly frustrating when I couldn't use sims with my fs-i6.
I have played/tried most without any issues with a $6 usb dongle
I just use the OTG cable work perfect with the fsi6
Hi & thx for this great tutorial. Is it ok for Mac or is there stg special to downl & to do, pls ? thx ^^