Why Delta Doesn’t Fly To Hong Kong?
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- Опубліковано 22 жов 2020
- Delta Air Lines is the only one of the big three US airlines not flying to Hong Kong. While United and American both operate multiple daily flights, Delta pulled out of the market in 2018. Here’s why.
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What's funny is that as soon as Delta quit the Seattle-HK route, Cathay Pacific started their own, and before the COVID pandemic, Cathay were doing quite good on the route.
someone just take their spot.. feel like since it a low profit flight so better off just sell their spot..
Cathay Pacific took over Seattle flight on that time, it's because of they want to cut the service in Vancouver and move some to Seattle with cheaper cost, unfortunately it was failed during the pandemic (right now Seattle remain suspension and Vancouver dropped only 2-3x weekly with 2 different flights)~~
Cathay Bullied Seattle 😢
@@jacobwong2230 They don't want that, however Seattle and Vancouver were already burnt each other before COVID, Vancouver lost the cargo revenue after they launched Seattle (Coz' YVR cargo were came from the state, Canada have less cargo), there are no revenue if they're only carry passengers, they need cargo to support~~
Cathay have to make this decision, which one have to choose?? Seattle or Vancouver~~
Cathay pulled out of Seattle and Washington-Dulles. I loved having Cathay at both of those airports. I hope now has travel levels increase again, we could see Cathay resume flights to these two airports, or maybe see Singapore Airlines take Cathay’s place at Dulles.
I flew Delta from LAX to Hong Kong way back in the 1990’s. They had the MD-11 at that point, but the plane could not always make it non-stop so we refueled in Taiwan. Return trip was via Narita. Apparently MD performance was not as expected...
Delta used to fly from Detroit to Hong Kong using a 777-200LR but dropped the service back in 2012 due to fluctuations in travel and high fuel prices. Used to be the 11th longest non-stop flight at 7,857 miles. Now if you want to get to HK from Detroit you'll have to connect through somewhere.
Sometimes its better to get odd planes after 5 hours, shake your leg and move around your legs .then get online next flight
Always fly Asian Airlines to Asia, better service, polite FA, service-wise there's no comparison US airlines are light years behind!
But if you're tall and booking a business class lie flat seat, check the length of the bed. At 6'-4" (193 cm) I've ended up with pricy, uncomfortable beds on a few flights. Now I know to ask.
All American Airlines are garbages compared to Asian airlines. Even mainland Chinese airlines are better than US airlines these days
The order of preference for long haul, no matter where you fly: 1. Gulf airlines, 2. Asian, 3. European, 4. US, 5. Delta
Better food too
They crashed at San Fransisco WHILE I was on it. Also I have always had a HORRIBLE experience with them so I would rather fly AA and I am not a fan of AA.
As an American; I specifically rejected the idea of flying from New York to Hong Kong on an American flagged carrier for the many times I have done so. If you flew these carriers domestically you would know why. I always use Cathay Pacific and I have always been very satisfied
anyone flying an American carrier to Asia has to be clueless!
I flew United from HK to San Francisco last year, and the journey is pleasant, so I haven't personally experienced the badness of US carriers
CX has sweet promo videos. What flight do I want? The ones with FAs Grace and Winnie on duty!
Delta like most US carriers have better services when flying international.
I love Cathay Pasific in 2019 I fly Jakarta-Hong Kong and Hong Kong-Barcelona.
Sigh. Delta used to fly 767-300ERs from Singapore to Tokyo. Now, the 767s we see at Singapore are cargo planes. R.I.P 747s, 757s, 767s and A340s.
There are still A340s operating at passenger service to Singapore with airlines like Lufthansa
@@adamshaheedh Yeh. Now at Singapore we only see A320s, A330s, A350s, 767Fs, 777s and 787s.
@@sandykee2859 Though a few weeks ago Lufthansa did operate an A340-300 to Singapore.
Thai flies 747 to changi, no? Rip 777 too actually... many are retiring 777 like delta which has 9 abreast like SQ meanwhile everyone else is going 10 abreast. :(
@@adamshaheedh Not true, A343s will stay for now. The A346s are in deep storage in case demand picks up.
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Hmmm am I flying a SUPER LONG ATL-HKG flight on Delta or Cathay Pacific? 🤔 Ummm yeah that’s a no-brainer 😁
cathay pacific, as a hong konger i always flew it, and I took it on JFK to HKG, and the service was good as usual
@@ryanyuen3017 I’m a Hong konger too
@@ryanyuen3017 that’s totally the way I’d go too!!
Hmm. Delta One is better than CX imo. Even delta new long haul economy in their 9 abreast 777 or a350 is better than 10 abreast CX 777... service is also more personable. Yes i speak some cantonese too and both diamond medallion and one world emerald from JAL... I’d pick delta and JAL over CX anyday compared to CX in Y or J.
The only way I’d fly CX is in first...
I would rather stop at ICN and take KE instead. CX is simply overpriced and not so friendly towards non-Westeners.
Plus I can shop for K-Cosmetics and more before I go, a nice bonus.
I left the city nevertheless so......
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I went to HK on Korean Air from Seoul 2years ago. I was satisfied with excellent services to passengers. They treated me as a VIP during the flight.
I flew Delta between Seattle and Hong-Kong and it was just meh. They simply do not excel at customer service the way Cathay Pacific does. Further, the irony is they couldn't even keep the Seattle Osaka flight going very long. They have no connectability there and now it's just seasonal service. Not a good move on Delta's part.
10+ years ago, Cathay was the top-rated airline of the world. They may not have the very top rating, but they are way above Delta. Difficult to compete with Cathay on that category.
It is interesting how overseas destinations come and go for USA airlines. It used to be very common for Manila and Bangkok to be destinations, but that is long gone. If you want to see some crazy nonstop destinations, look at Pan Am's route system.
I remember flying Delta to HkG from LAX back in 1994 on an MD11. Back then they had a descent mini hub out of Portland, OR serving Asia. Not sure what happened to all that.......good old days.
I flew MSP/NRT/HKG several times on NW... it would be nice if DL would return service in the future.
Delta also had nonstop service from Detroit to Hong Kong which I traveled many times on a 777 and those flights were very full. 15:30 flight time. But it was great getting there in one flight. But ever since funneling passengers to their skyteam partners, the service on those carriers was not as good as deltas. It was sad they pulled out. Likewise abandoning the Micronesia markets. Very regrettable moves by delta.
It’s worth while to note that united and delta are increasing their total number of flights to India and American Airlines is re-entering the Indian market with flights from Seattle to Bangalore , making it one of the world’s longest flights
About 10 years before, I took a Delta from Hong Kong via Tokyo Narita to USA( I forgot where as I get off at Tokyo). All security check is different from other ordinary flights from Hong Kong as they classified as American flights.
I don’t know why people hate delta so much. I have flown countless international airlines including Emirates, Qatar Airways, Lufthansa etc. and when I flew the Delta A350 from SEA-NRT the service was comparable or better to these airlines
People don’t hate Delta
It's my primary airline. I have had some salty flight attendants though but usually they are very nice.
@@seane1984 That is true
I'm suprised they bought the A350. How does Boeing feel about the Airbus intrusion?
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>speaks about Seattle constantly
>keeps showing Portland International
PDX is a MUCH better looking airport than SEA, no surprise that they not showing SEA
You didn't answer the question of why Delta discontinued service. Insufficient demand between city pairs? Exorbitant ground fees?
I heard that from 2 years ago for one of the reason, because of the aircraft re-assignments, some B772ER was re-assigned back to ATL share with MSP and the A332 was-assigned to JFK and ATL share with DTW to replace the B763ER which was on retirement~~
On that time the only trans-continental aircraft based in SEA was B763ER, however those aircrafts have to share with NRT and HNL~~
DELTA never studies demographics. There is no huge Asian community in Seattle . Delta really dreamed that all the Asian passengers from west coast cities would be okay with taking a Delta connection flight to Seattle and go direct from there. When you fly internationally you don't want to worry about making a connection with a RJ aircraft.....you go direct.
@@rampking1 Suprising given that Seattle is a city on the West Coast USA.
@@linesided Load factors are not an issue when you are the ONLY airline trying to use the 767 ( 7 shitty 7) on transpacific flights. More or less flying westbound you have a choice of carrying passengers OR carrying cargo, the 767-300ER does not have MTOW or range to do both. I have personally worked flights full of passengers, with nearly all the cargo cut.
@@linesided I've worked international flights at SFO for 30 yrs. JAL uses the 767 for inter-Asia flights , Not transpacific ....seen them use 747-200/400, 777 and 787, never the 767. Doing a fuel stop in HNL is not transpacific from the west coast. I've seen one SFO-to China flight with a 767 but it was a charter flight, no cargo. The most extreme flight to Asia was a 767-200ER with AeroMexico from MEX-NRT......but no cargo and frequent fuel stops in HNL. ( replaced with a 787)
Quite enjoy the Delta flight from HKG to NRT many years ago
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CX will fly rings around DL on the Seattle route.
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As a local plane spotter in HK, I would like to take photos of Delta aircrafts too. Such a great loss to both plane spotters, Delta and passengers as we all got less choice of flight.
I just rather want Delta back to Hong Kong, no matter from the state, Tokyo or Seoul~~
it's wonderful how his channel's name is simple flying and almost all his videos are less than 5 mins
The load factor was actually good for the DL's HKG-SEA flight. And CX commenced SEA right after Delta stepped out, so definitely there are some more reasons than demand.
I don't think DL have strong Business demand from HKG, nor good ongoing connections beyond HKG (which applied to most Skyteam carriers anyway). I remember they offered low fares quite frequently, maybe that's why they still have a decent load (but likely not profit).
Meanwhile CX of course, have more contracts from local businesses, way better feed from other Asian destinations, and even at SEA end they have AS, which by no means inferior to DL's. Gone are the days where SEA is the cheapest direct US destination after CX takeover.
The majority problem is - Seattle doesn't have the long haul aircraft suitable for Hong Kong, because on that time A332 were came from Detroit and B772 were came from Minneapolis, these aircrafts have to use one of the Europe flight to Seattle before went to Hong Kong, then back to Seattle and turn with Amsterdam or Paris before back to their home base~~
Right now, Seattle have A330NEO, but still not capable to fly to Hong Kong with full cargo and pax loaded on ~~
It is also about ground operation costs. It may be expensive in HKG for Delta.
CX announced in 2020 that it terminated it's HKG to SEA route
American Airlines has terminated its flights to Hong Kong in about 2021, now United is the only Passenger Airline in the US that flies to Hong Kong. United also has a crew base and United Club Lounge in HKG.
Back in the the 90s, I flew Delta DFW-LAX-ANC-HKG and back, on an MD11.
Did you need to see a chiropractor after that marathon?
@@aafjeyakubu5124 It was all in First Class (back when Delta still had FC), so not too bad.
@@markg6860 FC is really the only comfortable way to fly in the MD11.
Singapore 🇸🇬 however is Reopening its Borders slowly to only Essential flights from Changi International Airport from Terminal 1.
I miss seeing United and Delta in Bangkok.
Once before merging with NW they flew MD-11 to Bangkok. Wish they returned someday.
Sorry, I know this comment is 2 years ago, but the Delta MD-11 used to fly to Bangkok?
@@hung8377 They did.
Los Angeles to Hong Kong and Seoul would be a very popular route.
Very Saturated...
I would rather fly to Seoul/Incheon and transfer to Hong Kong via Korean Air.
If Delta flew to Hong Kong it would be a 787
All of these Delta steps in late 2018 I finished grade 5 and into grade 6
United has two daily flights to Delhi in their boeing 787-9 dreamliner and their 777-300
...Delta used to have service out of Portland to Tokyo Narita, Nagoya, and Seoul (the latter continuing to Tapei and Bangkok) first with L-1011-500s and later, MD-11s By 1998 they dropped the extension to Tapei and Bangkok but added a new route to Fukuoka bringing the total number of flights to 4 with plans to also serve Osaka. Due to the financial crisis of 1997 and Dot Com bust, Delta ceased serving Fukuoka and Seoul and the planned service to Osaka was dropped. With introduction of the 777 which could fly nonstop form Atlanta to Tokyo, there was little need for Portland gateway and mini hub and the city was became just another spoke in Delta's route system by spring of 2001.
The only nonstop international overseas service that remained was a lone flight on Northwest to Amsterdam, and for a few years there was service to Frankfurt on Lufthansa (partially subsidised by the city and Adidas, who's North American headquarters is in Portland) using an A-340.
After the merger with Northwest, Delta maintained the Amsterdam flight and a few years ago added nonstop summer service to London Heathrow with A-330s. However for the most part, Portland remains primarily a spoke city when it comes to domestic service when back in the 1990s it had a much larger market share with 20 gates. in 2019 Delta announced they wold serve the Portland Tokyo route again in spring of this year (Haneda airport) but flights never began due to the pandemic.
The only current Asian service at this time are cargo flights, one operated by Cathay Pacific to Hong Kong and the other by Western Global to Tokyo Narita.
the whole industry is expecting soo much from 2024-26 and I can only think about whatever the potential disappointments and the realities will be, come those years.....
By th way deta should come back in 2021 or 2025?
Absolutely, Yes.
I went to HK on Delta from Seattle back in July 2018!! Aye!! That's Portland!! I'm from Portland!!
PDX is much better looking than SEA. ...
rchilde1 Hell yea it is. Sea Tac has way too many Escalators ngl in a not so big of an Airport 🤣🤣 but really fun tho
Delta from LAX to Tokyo Haneda on Airbus A350, best flight!😚☺
Etf yes they do 767s from delta land there all the time I just tracked a delta aircraft inbound to Hong kong
I fly delta a lot in the summer of June 2018 and June 2019
You tube is comfortable with 20 sec 2 unskipable ad
I’m sure Delta Airlines will resumes the Hong Kong services later on with their new A-350 fleets
Unless Delta can send some A350 base in Seattle instead of Detroit and Atlanta~~
Should do a vid on why they don’t do flights to the GCC Countries
Yes. You have a point.
Delta used to fly to DXB before Qatar and Emirates started dumping seats on the route. Overflight costs over Saudi airspace and prohibitions on US carriers overflying military airspace and Iranian airspace meant that Delta had few options to economize. Delta's JV partners fly to all major GCC cities from AMS and CDG, plus Asia connections via ICN, so customers can pay Delta to arrive and depart from almost any major GCC city.
I guess DL will resume with brand new A330-900 Neo after this pandemic.
I flew to hong kong on delta in 2017 from seattle on an airbus 332
Me too, and it was a bargain fare.
Too bad is - A330-200 were all Detroit planes on that time~~
Hongkong isnt going to be a massive hub in the next 10/15 years since its been reclaimed by the mainland so im assuming they understand it wont be such a busy route
The reclaim of HK happened in 1997😂and after that, mainland Chinese travlers and immigrants from southern china rocked so high because we love to fly from HK, cheaper and better. The demand is huge enough for CX to maintain 2 daily shuttle flights between CAN and HKG, which is the shortest wide body route in the world. CX made huge profit from it and the connections from other mainland cities help to maintain its busy daily 77W flights to US. I think Delta provides better service than UA/AA, wish they would come back to HK❤
Delta should buy the Boom Overture supersonic and use it from Seattle to Hong Kong!
Don't know if you guys noticed. Airlines from bigger countries tends to suck, while airlines from smaller countries excel in services.I think that's in part due to the demand in the domestic market where passengers in bigger countries has to rely on flying to get to places, whereas smaller countries relies on its airlines to bring in tourism and economy, thus heavily subsidizing its airlines.
There's no Japanese affiliate in Skyteam. Since Delta may have 5th Freedom flights from Japan. Perhaps they can start flying between HKG and NRT. Maybe generate cash with cargo in between Japan and Hong Kong.
They moved NRT to HND, should be HKG-HND~~
@Simple flying
10years ago, Delta operated HKG-ORD with B777, but ended somewhere in 2012 I believe.
Delta first launched the SEA-HKG route with B777 in 2013
But shortly after that (as least since 2015), Delta downgraded from B777-200ER to A330-200 (Old Northwest airline aircraft)
And this downgrade caused a major issue -- Payload
Especially in summer time when jet stream above Japan area is weak (HKG-SEA)
10% of flight had to offload all passenger baggage due to payload issue.
It is even worst for SEA to HKG.
Delta couldn't make good profit out of the route, and that was the primary reason of closing down it.
Cathay operates the same route with A350 which can carry a much profitable payload after Delta quit
Cathay took over SEA route from Delta, one of the reason is - They wanna cut YVR flights with the joint venture with Alaska to SEA as the replacement~~
The other reason why Delta quit Hong Kong flight - Because of lack of suitable aircraft who based in Seattle, A332 were all from Detroit and B772 from Minneapolis, the only trans-continental aircraft who based in Seattle on that time was Boeing 767 (Those 767 have to share with Atlanta, Honolulu, New York and Tokyo)~~
The security checks in the jetway for my Delta HKG-SEA were annoying. Didn’t experience that kind of harassment flying ICN-SEA
Cathay has non-stop flights all over the USA and Canada (suspended now, of course). By going polar they are all about the same duration. The stopover only makes sense for truly second-tier US cities.
I thought Delta did fly to Hong Kong at one point. But they already have a big market at Tokyo Haneda.
I though Delta flew DTW-HKG and back at one point. Why was that dropped?
Yeah, Delta used to have direct service between HKG and DTW for a few years in the early 2010s. Probably it wasn't profitable
3:05 Of course yes!
YES
delta seems to be putting a halt on SEA rn, they just did LAX to heathrow and tokyo, HKG may be coming from delta soon from LAX
Good vlog !!! No Delta should not fly to Hong Kong. Cathay should fly to Seattle
If Cathay maintain Seattle, then Vancouver will be cutting more~~
Did I just watch a 4 mins Ad
If I will travel to Asia my favorite airlines are Asiana, Korean, JAL, ANA, Thai Air, Cathay Pacific & Singapore Airlines.
In other words, all airlines based in Taipei and mainland China, and Philippines airlines are not your favorites.
EVA and China Airlines are very good. I've never flown Thai airways to have any opinion..
Philippine Airlines and EVA is better than Korean, Cathay, and Thai.
YES!!!
they can still try Atlanta or Detroit...
Apparently, the author of this piece didn't realize that American dropped the LAX-HKG route leaving only DFW.
There is no much demand between Seattle and HK. Yes Bruce Lee emigrated from Hk to Seattle and it really this is the only notable link between these 2 places. Most HK traffic to the US are biased towards SFO and LAX and New York. Saying that Delta used to fly an even more weird route of HKG to Anchorage in the 90s - no prize to guess it was not popular.
HKG is a major international hub DL must come back as a top 3 is player they should operate non stop ATL / HKG and LAX/HKG on top of SEA
Delta's works more tightly with CHINA EASTERN and KLM/AF as it holds their stocks. China eastern is Delta's more preferred partner than KE in intra-Asia routes .
It’s obviously no priority for them right now. I doubt they are even thinking about it right now
M nice video
I once flew Delta to Hong Kong. It was nice!
Would you not consider Vancouver as part of the Seattle catchment area? Lots of Chinese and Asians in the YVR market.
no, YVR is the primary market actually, if anything SEA is in YVR's catchment and has been for a LONG time! countless more international flights out of YVR compared to SEA, there's no comparison. ....
@@rchilde1 I'm suprised the only gateway airports on the US West Coast are SFO and LAX. Not Portland or Seattle. Here where I live in Eastern Canada its just an hour by air to Boston. I would just as soon fly down there and get JAL or ANA to Tokyo or Cathay Pacific to Hong Kong. get to Asia "early" if you know what I mean!
yes
I love planes
Delta should move trans-Pacific operations back to De-Portland.
Personally, I think Delta should restart its Seattle-Hong Kong route. I wouldn't mind seeing an Atlanta-Hong Kong flight too as ATL is Delta's main hub.
nah it would be smarter to codeshare with Cathay Pacific since they already operate a pretty popular route between the cities
I prefer to remember the Hong Kong of Jerry Westerby, Big Moo and Kai Tak.
If you look at the political situation in HKG and see how a good amount of foreign companies have begun a exodus it gives Delta less of an excuse to fly to HKG most people from my opinion that fly Delta to Asia especially HKG would have been business folks most of the time.
Anyways back in topic: HKG is a CX fortress meaning it’s a secured hub for OneWorld alliance, any OneWorld carrier such as AA flying to hkg can feed and connect people to other parts such as Philippines or mainland China ect. Delta doesn’t have that advantage due to no connection opportunities so people that fly there would terminate there so it’s not a high money maker. It’s easier for DL to just funnel folks to Incheon or Shanghai to have their partners such as Korean Air or China Eastern take care of flying people into HKG as those two stations are Skyteam Friendly/ Fortress. UA took a good number of slots too in HKG making it a pretty decent size station back then with their flights from HKG to US territories such as Guam or Saipan which further lessens the chances of growth for Delta to keep a plane flying there.
Hong Kong is quite a funny market, because most people flying HK To Seattle and back are majority HK citizens thus would prefer flying with CX especially because they can collect air miles etc
from a Hong Konger stand point, i would say don't fly direct, instead make a stop-over at Tokyo/Osaka, the cargo demand between Hong Kong and Japan is actually pretty high
Offcorse wants DELTA back to HK,still remember HKGNRT route by DELTA,less than 3000hkd price and the best time slot!!8am take off from HK. and back to HK almost midnight
ya, I'm rather want Delta back for the HKG-HND instead of NRT with more connections and closer than the city~~
Yes IN ADDITION TO HND/ICN/PVG/TPE Delta SHOULD ADD HKG/MNL/SIN/BKK/KIX
I always jump at the opportunity to fly with an international airline when flying outside of the US. The service provided by US carriers domestically is so miserable you want that escape once in a while. It’s almost like the big 3 hate their own citizens.
No need for delta proper to fly over there when you can fly on a sky team partner instead.
My best trans-Pacific flights were made with Delta, better than Cathay. Delta should focus on Shanghai and explore more opportunities with China Eastern.
China Eastern is allied with United and has been for years. Delta better than Cathay?? Not possible.
Why does no US airline fly to Vienna
I think they should return to it once there's a chance it'll be profitable.
While Delta is cancelling its route to HKG, more optional routes to China are actually given, especially the Boeing 787 aircraft can offer direct flight from Seattle to Chinese’s cities
You are assuming people going from US to HKG are just going on to Chinese cities?
@@huaiwei I wasn’t saying how many people are going to/from China via HKG. The true is that the number of passengers to HKG has been dropping. That can also be founded by the recently lay off employees by Cathay.
@@sinopacific2211 the recent layoffs are obviously due to Covid-19. And then there are the shocks caused by the rioting prior to that. You should be looking at data for normal situations instead before you can make such a deduction. HKG was actually seeing a rise like every other airport in the region for years prior to that.
@@huaiwei But after the National Security Law, that would be the other story~~
No one in their right mind would fly Delta or any of the other lousy US carriers to anywhere in Asia, they have the best airlines in the World.
delta is the best airline on the world !
I think Delta and Sunwing should fly to Hong Kong because I also think this would be an excellent decision for Delta, American and United would have to fly there all the time.
Could the A321XLR have enough range to reinstate the route?
No single airline has to be everything to everyone. Airlines should deploy their resources where they can be used to their best effect.
Delta always plays it conservative. They still be flying the 767-300 ten years from now long after every other airline has moved on.
Not sure. I am one of those types of people who would choose an Asian airline to go to any of the Asian countries.
You stated the fact that Delta has stopped connections, but you didn't say why. Smh.