I'm about to switch from TDI to Zoe Q210 22kWh, primarily because of it's bulletproofness. This video confirms it's the right choice. I'm again flabbergasted by the mechanical simplicity, the whole thing has only s few bearings. Thank you EVclinic for pushing me over the edge. Greetings from Špansko.
Next time you need to remove the engine,just remove the whole front (bumper,coolers etc) you have a lot more room to wiggle and its only 1 hour work to remove the complete front. Great work on the bearings btw!
9:10 _"...and they do not sell individual parts inside...."_ Peter at 7:44 into the video "Renault Zoe Charging Issues. - Cheap Fix by James and Kate - The EV Team" 2 years ago mentioned that individual parts would be available? The problem is to diagnose the problem not to be forced to change whole assemblies or the whole car.
not done any work like this in my workshop ,very few electric vehicles in our village . It looks like an absolute joy working on theses ,no nasty oily bits and it looks fairly simple compared to all the crap in a petrol or diesel .
The Hyundai Kona through 2023 has similar issues and a very similar gear reducer design. The round particle magnet moves around and releases ferrous particles back into the oil and in some cases takes out the input and intermediate shaft ball bearings. I do note this one has tapered rollers on the intermediate shaft. The Kona motor also suffers bearing problems from outer race as we see here.
Hi there I have a fault with my Zoe was thinking to change the whole inverter unit but I hear that some part inside is coded to the car can you tell me what part is coded as I wouldn’t like to change this unit and find out after fitting that it wouldn’t run. Thanks in advance for your help
Good afternoon Tell me, sometimes this error appears: DF030(0841F3) Rotor position sensor circuit. It's warmer now and she appears even more often. What could it be? Thank you!
Hello, great to see some EV Mechanics at work ! I was wondering, I am having problems with my Zoe 40, there seems to be an ENGINE WEAR SENSOR. The value of this sensor should be smaller than 1,2, mine is 1,4 and so I am having the message "electric engine" in the display all the time. Renault doesn't want to repair it and tries to sell me a new engine.... do you have any experience how to fix it, or is it possible to bridge or trick this sensor ? The engine is running normally.
@@evclinic the first repair shop said it must be the rotation sensor, but, they said they took it apart meseaured it and it was ok and the position of the sensor was "ok" so they didn't finde the error and put everything back together as it was.... with same error occurring soon...
I’m in the middle of replacing bearings, tomorrow the motor will be taken out, probably:) I'm doing it myself because no workshop wanted to do it. What bearings can you recommend..? Greetings from Poland
W jakim celu zastosowali silnik z wirnikiem na szczotkach ? przecież to strzał w kolano ,po to stosuje sie silnik AC aby szczotek nie było aby była wieksza niezawodność 😅 już wiem aby takiego zoe nie kupować
I’m in the middle of replacing bearings, tomorrow the motor will be taken out, probably:) I'm doing it myself because no workshop wanted to do it. What bearings can you recommend..? Greetings from Poland
Ev is clean but as a taxi driver, we have diesel engines that have gone well over 300k miles without rebuilding. Looks like ev bearings are very weak, maybe made in China!
Apply the Before repair procedure using the Diagnostic toolDiagnostic tool : Use : -Computer concerned by the After repair procedure: "BCB" , -Component controlled by this computer concerned by the After repair procedure: "electric vehicle charger//calculateur BCB" . Apply the Before repair procedure using the Diagnostic toolDiagnostic tool : Use : -Computer concerned by the After repair procedure: "PEB" , -Component controlled by this computer concerned by the After repair procedure: "electric traction reduction gear assembly". Is this with the Diagnostic Tool important to do? Or can I skip it. Because I don't know which Diagnostic Tool you have to use. Thanks! From Tommy Bertilsson from Sweden
@@stefaneriksson3625 Hej! Tack! För Informationen. Jag undrar om du vet något om, vad man måste göra med ett Diagnosverktyg, i början på arbetet med att ta ut Elmotorn ur en Renault Zoe? Jag har köpt en Reparations och Service manual. I den står det så här: Apply the Before repair procedure using the Diagnostic toolDiagnostic tool : Use : -Computer concerned by the After repair procedure: "BCB" , -Component controlled by this computer concerned by the After repair procedure: "electric vehicle charger//calculateur BCB" . Apply the Before repair procedure using the Diagnostic toolDiagnostic tool : Use : -Computer concerned by the After repair procedure: "PEB" , -Component controlled by this computer concerned by the After repair procedure: "electric traction reduction gear assembly" . Kan du ge mig lite värdefull information om detta, så skulle jag bli väldigt Glad o Tacksam. Jag tycker att det är väldigt bra att vi människor kan hjälpa varandra via Internet. Mvh. Tommy Bertilsson från Mullsjö
@@stefaneriksson3625 Hej! Betyder det med 7000 rpm/12000 rpm, att om jag aldrig kör min Renault Zoe, fortare än 80 km/tim. Då håller dom två Lagren i Elmotorn längre. Mvh. Tommy Bertilsson från Mullsjö
Glad I got the Q210, how much easier would you say a motor swap is on that car versus the R240? Also I've heard about changing some kind of "gearbox" oil on the forums and that that is supposed to aid reliability, is this something you've heard of?
Anyone here having experience in repairing a 2011 Kangoo ZE whose battery claims it can't be charged? Renault only "offers" new battery for 20k... Adresse in Deutschland wäre top.
Zoe nema zaseban 'obc' - punjač. Ulazni napon iz mreže ispravlja na ulazu, a potom je potreban DC-DC pretvarač za punjenje baterije, koji zahteva veliki kalem. Zato Zoe koristi motor, pa je zvezdište motora iskorišćeno kao ulaz, a 3 faze kao izlaz. Pulsiranje kalema/motora koristi iste tranzistore kao i za vožnju. Time se značajno štedi na broju delova. Ujedno, Zoe je jedini auto koji može vući 43kW 63A trofazno, jer u vreme kada je konstruisan, CCS nije postojao, pa mu je to bilo jedino brzo punjenje. Mana ovog sistema je to što baterija nije galvanski izolovana od mreže, i Zoe radi injekciju 20mA između nule i uzemljenja tokom punjenja radi provere otpornosti uzemljivača , što obara RCD/GFCI (fidova sklopka) u mnogim javnim punionicama, koje iskaču na 6mA curenja.
@@ACAGT Zanimljivo za Zoe, kada se puni monofazno, pošto je ispravljenih 230V oko 315, auto je bešuman, jer auto diže napon. Ali ako se puni trofazno, ispravljenih 400V dođe preko 500V, i čuje se cviljenje, jer auto spušta napon. Isti princip koristi i Hyundai Ioniq 5, koji ima bateriju od 800V. Kako je veliki broj brzih punionica na 400V, potrebno je podići napon, pa koriste namotaje motora kao deo kola za dizanje napona.
@@Mladjasmilic To vidim ono motor od kangoo ze ima samo tri kabla a ovaj zoe 4 ali kangoo nema brzo punjenje. Na oba se stopila pobuda na rotoru i nece nijedan vinkler da ih premota...
I have not removed the engine yet, I don't have a bearing noise, the engine runs just fine, but from time to time it shows "engine default" followed be all kind of other lights and problems. And in worst case the car stops. You can change gears but nothing happens on the display, though mechanically you can still change the gears from D to P and pull the car to the side. But you cannot drive anymore and this error comes up every 50 meters sometimes which is dangerous as hell. So I got the cr to the repair shop, they first said it is the rotation sensor, they removed the engine or the gear box, checked the sensor but it was ok. Still I could not drive the car regularly. So I put it to a better repair shop, they run all possible updates and located the error and told me that they ca read with their software the so called "wear factor of the engine. At 1,2 the engine is worn, mine hat an even higher one of 1,4, so Renault says the engine is trash and want to sell me a new one for 5.500€.... I don't know what kind of sensor produces this factor, if it can be turned of, ignored or what exactly this is. Anybody out there with more experience maybe ?
@@evclinic how could I proceed ? Should I first remove my current engine open it and check the teeth or remove the gear box open it and check the teeth ?
please don’t put bearings directly to the flame just buy a bearing heating plate or a spindle flat heater and put an old inner ring on it and heat up just inner ring
Hi EV Clinic! I’m having that exact same noise as in this video ua-cam.com/video/mGQ3EagPQao/v-deo.html on a 2017 R90 41kwh Zoe. I believe this has to do with failing bearings. Usually it is said that this comes from the reductor. But could it also be coming from the big bearings on both sides of the rotor? Help from someone with your experience would be precious. Thanks. Ben
Please lose the backing music as it makes it difficult to hear what you are saying.
I'm about to switch from TDI to Zoe Q210 22kWh, primarily because of it's bulletproofness. This video confirms it's the right choice. I'm again flabbergasted by the mechanical simplicity, the whole thing has only s few bearings. Thank you EVclinic for pushing me over the edge. Greetings from Špansko.
Next time you need to remove the engine,just remove the whole front (bumper,coolers etc) you have a lot more room to wiggle and its only 1 hour work to remove the complete front. Great work on the bearings btw!
9:10 _"...and they do not sell individual parts inside...."_
Peter at 7:44 into the video "Renault Zoe Charging Issues. - Cheap Fix by James and Kate - The EV Team" 2 years ago mentioned that individual parts would be available?
The problem is to diagnose the problem not to be forced to change whole assemblies or the whole car.
not done any work like this in my workshop ,very few electric vehicles in our village . It looks like an absolute joy working on theses ,no nasty oily bits and it looks fairly simple compared to all the crap in a petrol or diesel .
True ;)
Pozdrav,jel preporučate ovaj zadnji Zoe 52kwh za kupnju?
Hvala.
The Hyundai Kona through 2023 has similar issues and a very similar gear reducer design. The round particle magnet moves around and releases ferrous particles back into the oil and in some cases takes out the input and intermediate shaft ball bearings. I do note this one has tapered rollers on the intermediate shaft.
The Kona motor also suffers bearing problems from outer race as we see here.
Hi there I have a fault with my Zoe was thinking to change the whole inverter unit but I hear that some part inside is coded to the car can you tell me what part is coded as I wouldn’t like to change this unit and find out after fitting that it wouldn’t run. Thanks in advance for your help
Good afternoon Tell me, sometimes this error appears: DF030(0841F3) Rotor position sensor circuit.
It's warmer now and she appears even more often. What could it be?
Thank you!
Hello, great to see some EV Mechanics at work ! I was wondering, I am having problems with my Zoe 40, there seems to be an ENGINE WEAR SENSOR. The value of this sensor should be smaller than 1,2, mine is 1,4 and so I am having the message "electric engine" in the display all the time. Renault doesn't want to repair it and tries to sell me a new engine.... do you have any experience how to fix it, or is it possible to bridge or trick this sensor ? The engine is running normally.
what sensor exactly
I can't tell you the exact term but this sensor measures the wear, so how much it is already used up.
@@evclinic
@@danpin3606 Write part number
@@evclinic the first repair shop said it must be the rotation sensor, but, they said they took it apart meseaured it and it was ok and the position of the sensor was "ok" so they didn't finde the error and put everything back together as it was.... with same error occurring soon...
I’m in the middle of replacing bearings, tomorrow the motor will be taken out, probably:) I'm doing it myself because no workshop wanted to do it. What bearings can you recommend..? Greetings from Poland
Hey
Have you found bearings?
W jakim celu zastosowali silnik z wirnikiem na szczotkach ? przecież to strzał w kolano ,po to stosuje sie silnik AC aby szczotek nie było aby była wieksza niezawodność 😅 już wiem aby takiego zoe nie kupować
Danke 👍
Hello, in your opinion, which version is more reliable - Q210 or R240? I get the impression that Q210 is easier to repair
Q210 is more reliable and easier to repair.
@@evclinic Thanks about the answer. Best of luck in the new year!
How long is the work involved? Installing and removing the motor and replacing the bearings? NTN now sells the matching bearings EVB355.00 EVB 355.01.
@@Heiko2201 2 days
I’m in the middle of replacing bearings, tomorrow the motor will be taken out, probably:) I'm doing it myself because no workshop wanted to do it. What bearings can you recommend..? Greetings from Poland
Hello. Im in posesoion of such motor end i would like to transfor it to a generator. Is theat possible? Im thinking at the regen power.
Possible but complex. One professor from Turkey managed to make standalone motor controler
Corrosion on the bearings, how come moisture gets inside to cause that corrosion.
Still way less work and costs than rebuilding a modern diesel engine. what about the new Phase 2 motors? Are they more robust?
Ev is clean but as a taxi driver, we have diesel engines that have gone well over 300k miles without rebuilding. Looks like ev bearings are very weak, maybe made in China!
Q210/Q90 seems to be the more robust versions. I'm guessing Phase 2 is more reliable as well.
Which bearing have you placed?
Momci pozdrav,da li je moguce ugraditi polovnu bateriju na Renault ZOE 2020 god
Naravno da je moguće, ako je nadješ
Apply the Before repair procedure using the Diagnostic toolDiagnostic tool : Use : -Computer concerned by the After repair procedure:
"BCB" ,
-Component controlled by this computer concerned by the After repair procedure:
"electric vehicle charger//calculateur BCB" .
Apply the Before repair procedure using the Diagnostic toolDiagnostic tool : Use : -Computer concerned by the After repair procedure:
"PEB" ,
-Component controlled by this computer concerned by the After repair procedure:
"electric traction reduction gear assembly". Is this with the Diagnostic Tool important to do? Or can I skip it. Because I don't know which Diagnostic Tool you have to use. Thanks! From Tommy Bertilsson from Sweden
Is this important to perform before I take out the electric motor to change the electric motor? Thanks! From Tommy Bertilsson from Sweden
Det verkar svårt att få fram lager som tål ca 12000 rpm de andra ligger runt
7000 rpm..
@@stefaneriksson3625 Hej! Tack! För Informationen. Jag undrar om du vet något om, vad man måste göra med ett Diagnosverktyg, i början på arbetet med att ta ut Elmotorn ur en Renault Zoe? Jag har köpt en Reparations och Service manual. I den står det så här: Apply the Before repair procedure using the Diagnostic toolDiagnostic tool : Use : -Computer concerned by the After repair procedure:
"BCB" ,
-Component controlled by this computer concerned by the After repair procedure:
"electric vehicle charger//calculateur BCB" .
Apply the Before repair procedure using the Diagnostic toolDiagnostic tool : Use : -Computer concerned by the After repair procedure:
"PEB" ,
-Component controlled by this computer concerned by the After repair procedure:
"electric traction reduction gear assembly" . Kan du ge mig lite värdefull information om detta, så skulle jag bli väldigt Glad o Tacksam. Jag tycker att det är väldigt bra att vi människor kan hjälpa varandra via Internet. Mvh. Tommy Bertilsson från Mullsjö
@@stefaneriksson3625 Hej! Betyder det med 7000 rpm/12000 rpm, att om jag aldrig kör min Renault Zoe, fortare än 80 km/tim. Då håller dom två Lagren i Elmotorn längre. Mvh. Tommy Bertilsson från Mullsjö
can this problem cause an error ("el. motor failur") too? i have grinding noise and the error...
is the bearing damaged that makes problem to enkoder to read correct data
Hello i have smart eq 453 and off 2017 and i have the same noise and mercedes service
We can repair it
@@evclinic I live in Greece☹️
Glad I got the Q210, how much easier would you say a motor swap is on that car versus the R240?
Also I've heard about changing some kind of "gearbox" oil on the forums and that that is supposed to aid reliability, is this something you've heard of?
You have our video or post either q210. Yes it is advised to change oil.
👏👏👏
Anyone here having experience in repairing a 2011 Kangoo ZE whose battery claims it can't be charged? Renault only "offers" new battery for 20k...
Adresse in Deutschland wäre top.
at mercedes service they told me that i have to change the engine☹️
Za sta mu je ova cetvrta zica na statoru?
Zoe nema zaseban 'obc' - punjač. Ulazni napon iz mreže ispravlja na ulazu, a potom je potreban DC-DC pretvarač za punjenje baterije, koji zahteva veliki kalem. Zato Zoe koristi motor, pa je zvezdište motora iskorišćeno kao ulaz, a 3 faze kao izlaz. Pulsiranje kalema/motora koristi iste tranzistore kao i za vožnju. Time se značajno štedi na broju delova. Ujedno, Zoe je jedini auto koji može vući 43kW 63A trofazno, jer u vreme kada je konstruisan, CCS nije postojao, pa mu je to bilo jedino brzo punjenje.
Mana ovog sistema je to što baterija nije galvanski izolovana od mreže, i Zoe radi injekciju 20mA između nule i uzemljenja tokom punjenja radi provere otpornosti uzemljivača , što obara RCD/GFCI (fidova sklopka) u mnogim javnim punionicama, koje iskaču na 6mA curenja.
@@Mladjasmilic aha, Interesantno resenje
@@ACAGT
Zanimljivo za Zoe, kada se puni monofazno, pošto je ispravljenih 230V oko 315, auto je bešuman, jer auto diže napon. Ali ako se puni trofazno, ispravljenih 400V dođe preko 500V, i čuje se cviljenje, jer auto spušta napon.
Isti princip koristi i Hyundai Ioniq 5, koji ima bateriju od 800V. Kako je veliki broj brzih punionica na 400V, potrebno je podići napon, pa koriste namotaje motora kao deo kola za dizanje napona.
@@Mladjasmilic To vidim ono motor od kangoo ze ima samo tri kabla a ovaj zoe 4 ali kangoo nema brzo punjenje. Na oba se stopila pobuda na rotoru i nece nijedan vinkler da ih premota...
@@ACAGT Kangoo i Fluence imaju monofazni ulaz (type 1). Postoji Type 2 na Type 1 adapter za Evropske punjače, ali koristi samo 1 od 3 faze.
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I have not removed the engine yet, I don't have a bearing noise, the engine runs just fine, but from time to time it shows "engine default" followed be all kind of other lights and problems. And in worst case the car stops. You can change gears but nothing happens on the display, though mechanically you can still change the gears from D to P and pull the car to the side. But you cannot drive anymore and this error comes up every 50 meters sometimes which is dangerous as hell. So I got the cr to the repair shop, they first said it is the rotation sensor, they removed the engine or the gear box, checked the sensor but it was ok. Still I could not drive the car regularly. So I put it to a better repair shop, they run all possible updates and located the error and told me that they ca read with their software the so called "wear factor of the engine. At 1,2 the engine is worn, mine hat an even higher one of 1,4, so Renault says the engine is trash and want to sell me a new one for 5.500€.... I don't know what kind of sensor produces this factor, if it can be turned of, ignored or what exactly this is. Anybody out there with more experience maybe ?
Interesting. They see phase offset between rotor and wheels. Your gear teeth is worn out. It is mechanical problem
@@evclinic but this would mean, that new engine won't help right ? All I need is a new gear box ?
@@danpin3606 Doesnt mean that, you still got teeth on rotor, which could be damaged.
@@evclinic how could I proceed ? Should I first remove my current engine open it and check the teeth or remove the gear box open it and check the teeth ?
@@danpin3606 both
please don’t put bearings directly to the flame just buy a bearing heating plate or a spindle flat heater and put an old inner ring on it and heat up just inner ring
Hi EV Clinic! I’m having that exact same noise as in this video ua-cam.com/video/mGQ3EagPQao/v-deo.html on a 2017 R90 41kwh Zoe. I believe this has to do with failing bearings. Usually it is said that this comes from the reductor. But could it also be coming from the big bearings on both sides of the rotor? Help from someone with your experience would be precious. Thanks. Ben
Easy job, Dont pull the entire unit out. Remove the gearbox then the motor leaving the rest in place done in under 8 hours.... done plenty.
Music OFF
Slipring excitation in the 21st century.
No way! 😡
Yikes! I'll get a Tesla.
Renault drive trains are crap!
Never buy, best lease or let go!