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@ 15:55 He says here, "...It sounds like our prayers." Not operas. He simply meant that the Muslims prayers were not unlike Christians prayers. This movie may have taken some liberties and various things may not be historically accurate but I LOVE the message of there being at least SOME Muslims and Christians who wanted to get along and did because they perhaps simply realized that even though they took different paths on worshipping God, that they are still fellow human beings. 🥰
Hello there, to help you as a fellow european christian, Templars werent cruzaders, Templars were a professional monk, militar and religious order, Known before as the poor knights of Christ, they were made by few whom wanted to protect piligrims in their journey From Europe to Jerusalem and Vice versa, their journey was dangerous, thousands died each journey, they made pilgrimage to pray for their souls to God, in order for him forgive their sins through their sacrifice, as Jihad and cruzaders were both fanatics, both sides killed many inocents that wanted to live a peacefull life with their families Jerusalem is a sacred place to both Jewish, Muslims and Christians, All wanted to create a kingdom of their own, to protect their faith, After the fall of Jerusalem, a third cruzade was called to take back the city, Richard I of England and Saladin, fought for it and they came with a treaty, Jerusalem would be part of the Fathimid Sultanate ( Saladin's kindom) and in exchange for peace every pilgrim, were to leave weapons outside the city and Saladin himself would garantee their protection in their journey for praying, after that treaty, mutch less pilgrims were killed by the word of Saladin that spread islamic world, aswell that was also acepted by christians wich the praying was enshured, for christians, Templars here in the movie had too mutch power and autonomy but in truth only the King Balduim IV also know as the Lepper King, could call the Templars wich was an elite force, and no other than himself could lead soldiers, besides templars had a strict code of chivalry and piety that wouldnt allow them to do that, only his brother in law and the knights loyal to him and Reynald's men, would do that all by greed and not by faith in those times faith was an excuse for human lives lost, to justify the atrocities, to enrich few. I hope i had clarify the historical matter, by the way king Balduim at age of 16 won an important battle against Saladin, that is why each king respected one another, since they recognized the other as an competent king and a honorable one besides that.
1:22:19 What Salah ad-Din meant there is that strategically and as a physical location Jerusalem was really worth nothing, but spiritually and as a holy place for both Christians and Muslims, it is worth everything.
Or maybe he meant that it was worth nothing (a barren land) but everything (it has been the most important geopolitical location for probably 4000 years).
@@EdgarTheOgre 4000 years?? Come on, no it wasn't. It wasn't even the center of the Hebrew state in the time of Solomon, after it broke apart the capital was in other places, Shiloh, Samaria. Jerusalem was the capital of Judah but Judah was the smaller and weaker state. Geopolitically the city was never important, not in antiquity and not after... its importance was religious, because of the importance Christianity put on it.
This film is not historically accurate, but it is historically illustrative, and really captures the gist of the events during the crusades, including the perspectives of the Christian and Muslim factions. This version of the film is an excellent movie and I’m glad you reacted to it.
Im excited about you watching this movie. I am a Catholic religiously, i enjoy your content as Muslims and your perspective. This movie is supposed to have one of the best acting performance for someone portraying Salah ad-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub. The care and patience found within the acting of this person was astounding. The respect he showed his enemies was noble and gratious.
But Jerusalem which was named by which religion ????? Jerusalem has been under attack for 1600+ years now because the majority of Muslims want all holy places for themselves. I hope all wars stop throughout the world but I’m usually disappointed so I expect everything to continue as usual 😢
@@meanlean3095 so you came to these nice young mens channel to argue religion with me? Snakes speak in many languages, i do not understand their uses...
This is in my top ten movies. The message it has about Godliness is profound. Some leaders are just and serve their fellow man. Others are wicked and only serve themselves. The movie also speaks to morality and Machiavellian principles. It is a kingdom of conscious or none at all.
You insert Machiavel in a story that took place 300 years before his time. That means he simply analysed humanity and his writings are the conclusion. Machiavel is no plotter. He's an observer doubled with a concluder, and he happened to master both. He gathered together comprehensive knowledge about how large populations of humans function from a POV that parallels that of chemestry. He intended to give the book as an un-demanded gift to his own ruler, whom he was already the counselor. Nowaday that book is accessible to every ruler, and each of them use it to their own purposes, and the destructive potential resides there. I salute your use of Machiavellian instead of Machiavellic. That proves you know the difference. Something that is rarer than it should.
Thank you both so much for watching this! It absolutely made my entire week. Salahuddin was legendary among the Christian nations as a truly honorable man, and was deeply respected by King Richard of England, and especially King Baldwin IV (the leper king of Jerusalem). The crusades were an incredibly violent and tragic time, and the issues which drove the various factions involved were complex. But overall, despite the war and tensions in the Holy Land even today, I truly believe that the Abrahamic faiths are closer to a lasting peace than at any other point in history. Much love from the U.S. God protect you. السلام عليكم
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That king at the end looking for Balian of Ibelin is Richard the Lionheart, the Pope called for a third crusade to take back Jerusalem. Richard took some cities in the coast, but could not take Jerusalem, the third crusade ended with a treaty that christians could again travel to and worship in Jerusalem. Also the king Baldwin IV of Jerusalem had a severe skin disease called leprosy, which in ancient times was very mortal. Nice reaction guys! Thanks for watching this masterpiece.
That's true and Richard Lionheart was one of the best earlier Kings of England and it said he couldn't have lived longer.. although his army and Saladin"s fought, the two of them had much respect for one another.. after Richard died from his illness, Saladin set his people to meet up with those with King Richard to pay condolences... It was so sweet and really respectful of the time because most kids didn't do that.
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 Yes, they respected each other, Richard and Saladin's brother Al-Adil became friends in their meetings to discuss prisioner exchanges and truces. Richard even knighted Al-Adil's son in the christian manner. Also when Richard arrived in the Holy land, he fell sick. When Saladin heard about Richard's sickness he sent him fruits and healers to help him get well again.
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 1. Richard didn't die. He went back to England (though he was captured in Germany/Austria and then ransomed for a massive amount of gold) 2. Richard wasn't a fanatic and believed in strategy...he wanted to attack Egypt, because Egypt was critical for Salah ad-Din, but the rest of the crusaders were fanatical lunatics who didn't want to listen to reason and logic and strategy and just wanted to attack Jerusalem head-on. Plus, the King of France, Phillip, had gone back home (France and England were eternally at war), which left Richard's kingdom vulnerable to France. France and England had made a momentary peace, and both kings made a pact to crusade together, but the French king broke the pact soon after arriving in the Holy Land and went back home. So Richard decided, screw these lunatics and went back to England as well.
@@tylerdurden3722 I knew the French and English were always fighting, but I was thinking that Richard Lionheart died before getting back to England. I didn’t realize he had gotten back to the homeland, and I know he was returning home because of King Philip. Richard did not bring his brother John could deal with King Philip of France so he was heading back home to England. I’m aware that he was held ransom, but I still kept thinking he died on the way back before he reached England.
In later years Salah ad-Din was greatly admired in Europe, too. There are thirteenth-century and fourteenth-century poems from France and Italy showing his generosity and other qualities.
This is 💯 true. I gained a whole lot more respect for him as I learned of his secret alliance with some of the Templar Knights in providing a safe space for the deepest secrets to later take shape in Europe.
There also is the 18th century German dramatic poem "Nathan the Wise" by Gotthold Ephraim Lessing that puts a Jew in the titular role in a plea for religious tolerance between the three Abrahamic religions that is also set in 12th century Jerusalem and praises Saladin.
Baldwin IV was a true bad-ass. He did indeed win a celebrated victory over Saladin when he was 16 called the Battle of Montgisard. Baldwin, accompanied by only 500 knights, charged Saladin's army of 20,000, catching them off-guard and utterly routed them. Saladin barely escaped with his life and only 5% of his army made it back to Egypt. It was such a crushing victory that peace followed and was maintained.
Baldwin and Sallahudin were great leaders whose moral code were respected across both camps. The peace they ensured in Jeruzalem, not repeating the slaughter that happened prior to that, was a key factor for their support. Both were mainly driven by peace which also resulted in a better relationship afterwards from the Muslims lifting the ban on Jewish pilgrims to the pact of co-existence between the Church and the Muslim government after both their rule. Considering who runs Jeruzalem now, you'd wish either 1 of them could be brought back to this life. Baldwin respected in the East and Sallahudin respected in the West for their leadership qualities, mercy and perseverance.
@ IscoMadrid-fd7fy You do understand that a crapload of Muslims live in Israel right? You do understand that there are elected Muslim leaders in the Israeli parliament right now? You do understand that Muslims, Christians and Jews are all free to visit their holy places in Jerusalem and the only requirement is that you can’t be a terrorist?
It is not very explicit, but in the scene with the bushes on fire, the black knight was actually God. In fact at the very end of the scene the second bush catches fire spontaneously (resembling the Biblical episode of God speaking to Mose through a bush on fire, even mentioned at the beginning of the scene) and the black knight disappears, while they are in the middle of the desert. Also you can see the black knight awakening Orlando Bloom after he fights the knights that wanted to kill him, because God wants him to go back to Gerusalem to save the people. This is to contrast the recurrent theme in the movie where Orlando Bloom says several times that God doesn't speak with him and doesn't know him, and his concluded with the last dialogue between him and Saladin's first knight when he says: "if God doesn't know you, how you were able to do all the things you have done". God (in the figure of the black knight) knew him and was actually speaking to him all the time.
Some historical notes: 1) Guy de Lusignan was indeed an idiot, but the circumstances of his marriage to the King's sister differs. In reality, Sibylla wanted to marry him, despite him being only the younger son of a lesser lord in France. Guy was reputedly a strikingly handsome man, and was known as a very brave knight. Indeed, in his youth he very nearly killed William Marshal, who is considered the greatest knight to have ever lived, and was a close advisor and councillor to five Kings of England, and Regent for a couple years during the minority of Henry III. Anyway, Sibylla and her mother pestered Baldwin until he yielded and allowed the marriage. He regretted it as did the whole Kingdom. Guy leading the army to disaster at the Horns of Hattin in 1187 did happen. However, after the fall of Jerusalem, he was still considered king by some, and he led a faction during the following 3rd Crusade, with Richard I's support. However, eventually a new king was chosen and Guy was compensated by Richard with Cyprus. Guy ruled as King of Cyprus, founding a dynasty that lasted for a three hundred years, until his death in 1194. 2) Raynald de Chatillion was an even worse brigand than depicted in the film. He entered the Middle East during the 2nd Crusade as a mercenary and through cunning and courage, married his way into becoming the Prince of Antioch, a sovereign ruler. But he was a brutal man despised by most. He was captured by the Emir of Aleppo and sat in a dungeon for 15 years because no one wanted to pay his ransom. However, he was eventually released and deprived of Antioch, he was given the important lordship of Oultrejourdain where, as in the film, he behaved like a robber baron, often in the company of Guy. He even once developed a scheme to build a fleet on the Red Sea and sail to Mecca to steal Mohammed's body for ransom. As in the film, his barbarity incited (though he did not kill Saladin's sister) Saladin's wrath who laid siege to Raynold's seat at Kerak Castle and pillaged his domains for a month. It was Raynald who suggested to Guy that he attack Saladin, and thus they were routed at Hattin. As in the film, Saladin' struck off Raynald's head with his sword after the brigand attempted to win Saladin's hospitality by taking Guy's drinking cup. Saladin said: "A king does not kill a king, but that man's perfidy and insolence went too far." 3) Saladin offering Guy his cup is a custom of the rules of hospitality. By offering Guy his cup, he was declaring that Guy could not be harmed and was under his protection. He pointedly did not offer Raynald his cup, and refused to acknowledge Raynald's use of the cup, thus making it clear Raynald had no protection. 4) Tiberias is a character based on Count Raymond III of Tripoli (County of Tripoli in current Lebanon, not Libya). Historically he was a bit less of an honorable person, but he did feud with Raynald and Guy. Unlike the film, he fought at Hattin and some historians believe he was as much to blame for the disaster as Guy. The Muslims thought highly of him: "Nobody more influential than him, none braver and none more excellent in counsel."
Raynald was a TERRIBLE man indeed. But I feel like they did Guy de Lusignan dirty in this movie. He was far from a man of virtue and often did not honor his word after peace treaty's.. But he wasn't this zealous crazy murderer as depicted in the movie. He survived the events in the movie and raised another army and became part of the 3rd crusade after Richard landed with his relief force.
Raynald de Chatillon also invaded and horribly plundered the rich Byzantine island of Cyprus in 1156, along with the Armenian lord Thoros II of Cilicia! In 1158 the Byzantine Emperor Manuel Komnenos led a punitive campaign against him and Thoros with a massive army! The Armenians fled to the mountains and Reynald was left alone and hopelessly outnumbered! He was spared by the Emperor but was humiliated in the presence of Frankish and Muslim dignitaries by being made to prostrate barefooted in front of the Emperor and beg for his life ( the somewhat similar scene in the movie alludes to that historical incident).
@@slickwilly7341 Not only that but he also tortured the Latin Patriarch of Antioch (an important cleric of the Catholic Church in the Holy Land) over money that he wasn't even owed, he literally just wanted to rob the poor guy to finance his invasion of Cyprus.
The European soldiers are all called "crusaders" but the group in white with the red crosses are called "Templars". They were a Holy order of the crusades. However, they were not the only order, as there were other groups like the Teutonic Order and the Order of St. John A.K.A. Hospitallers (what the knight in the black and white was apart of). It should also be noted that while the Templars did wear the white robe with red cross, that was also a common garment for other crusader armies and groups as well (basically not all of the guys in red and white were Templars).
she's not evil.. she preferred to kill her son so he won't suffer the same faith as her brother did.. they're painting the stones white as range finders so the archers/catapults /trebuchets/ ballista would know their angle of release.. cool reaction guys 😊👍
18:10 This is called, in french "La Colée". A strike made to the new knight, generally to the face or the neck. In the beginning it was a form of showing that the new knight was tough and could take a hit. With time, it became a religious rite that became the famous move with the sword over the shoulders to make someone a knight. 27:19 In the middle-ages, women of Europe covered their hair just like muslim women do with the Hijab. Elaborated coif like the late medieval hennin, the famous conical hat we see women wear. 31:00 The time of the crusades was not the big "civilisational clash" that classical history made it out to be. Once the crusaders established their fiefdoms in the middle-east, they quickly mixed elements of their own culture with the locals'. In 1108, 70 years before the time of the movie and just 20 years after the beginning of the first crusade, there was the battle of Tell Bacher, opposing, on one side, christian Tancred prince of Galilea and muslim Fakhr al-Mulk Ridwan, against Baldwin II of Jerusalem and Jawali Saqawa. So basically, crusaders and muslims mixed a lot and forged alliances between themselves to assist in their respective internal disputes. Of course, there were still radicals on either sides. 51:00 While the events of the movie are not accurate to what we know of what happened historically, it is true that Badlwin IV of Jerusalem died from leprosy and was known as the "Leper King".
When the costume designer was granted access to a crusader museum in a castle in France, she discovered the actual livery (crest) that Balian of Ibelin wore in the 12th century. So what you see Balian wearing is actually what the real life man wore. Ridley Scott, what a great director. Also, the old box dvd set had special features that gave a lot of background on the actual history and the way it was filmed. This is a great movie.
Her son he been allowed to live, would have developed the same disease that killed the king. One of the symptoms is a lack of the ability to feel pain hence why she got so worried when he didn't react to the hot wax falling on his hand or being poked in the foot with a needle. His flesh would basically decay and he would become deformed like the king and die an early death. She killed him with poison to prevent that suffering as an act of mercy.
The reason why Salah ad-Din assaults the walls after they are breached is to seek a decisive end to the seige. Like any besieger, he has limited supplies of food and water. So do the defenders, but in this arid environment and with such a huge army, I think supplies are even more difficult for him to come by. Sieges were often contests of starvation and disease when they dragged on for weeks. So even though assaulting was very bloody especially for the attackers, sometimes it was the preferable option to sitting around for weeks while your army atrophies and starves.
Glad you guys watched the extended version, because the theatrical release left out too much and didn’t come out right. Enjoyed your reactions, and appreciated your historical knowledge and perspective. Please watch “Last of the Mohicans” or “Dances with wolves”. You’ll enjoy both I think
The Queen wasn't evil, she killed her son out of mercy to what she saw her brother had to endure. She said she would endure hell in the afterlife to prevent her son having to endure hell on Earth.
So the scene with the cup of ice is a little different then you're thinking, it was actually a shared custom between the Arabs and the Franks that you don't kill someone once you've accepted them as your guest (and in some cases you would also be obliged to offer your guests protection). There were several ways of signaling acceptance of someone as your guest but the simplest was the offering of refreshment, whether a simple cup of water from the Lord's own hand or a table of food (In England and France there was also particular symbology given to sharing bread and salt as a symbol you were a guest in someone's house). So by giving the cup of water to Guy, Saladin was making him his guest and sparing his life. Guy tried to manipulate the gesture by giving the cup to Raymond, essentially trying to say "this man is with me and is therefore also a guest" which is why Raymond immediately drank it and said "I drink water for what it is" trying to signal his status as a guest. Saladin of course, was having none of this since Raymond had repeatedly violated his word and attacked his people and pointedly says "I did not give the cup to you" by which he means he is NOT granting guest status to Raymond and is in fact treating him as a prisoner subject to justice for his crimes, justice Saladin subsequently dispenses.
in the siege of Jerusalem, the history is much darker than the depiction in the movie, first the muslim army said to kill every christian, then Balian threatened to kill every muslim in the city, then they agreed on the terms but every christian was required to pay ransom for themselves or be enslaved, many of the poorest were allowed to leave but about 10 000-20 000 people, depending on the source, were sold into slavery to pay for the war together with the ransom
There were no negotiations when the christians first took the city. Muslims and jews were massacred together, according to contemporary writers 70,000 were killed but 40,000 is a plausible number.
@@AudieHolland 70.000 is from Ibn al-Athīr. He is not a good source because he worked for the moslem King. Christian writers estimated around 10.000 killed. Also not a good source. Based on third sources the modern historian estimated that around 3000 People are killed in the aftermath. P.S. i looked into your number of 40.000. I found out that anonymous syrian sources called a number of 30.000. But they also biased. I think from their your number comes from. Many historian in the past were not careful when they interpret sources. They forgot that already in medival times the people used propganda and fake news. Its really hard to correct this informations and still teached to students in school.
Not the poorest. They released (and used as propaganda for Saladin) the weakest and oldest. Reports of local slave market shows that after the moslems won back Jerusalem, the slave prices dropped immensely. They simple released the people with the lowest value and probaly are unsellable after a big number of new slaves put in the slave markets.
Saracen is a European term that means not of "Sarah" Jews and Christians believe they are the descendants of Abraham and his wife Sarah through his son Isaac and Isaac's son Jacob(Yakub in Arabic) Jews and Christians believe that Arabs are the descendants of Abraham through Hagar, who was Sarahs servant and Hagars son Ishmael. Christians had several terms for Muslims in the middle ages that are no longer used beside Saracen, such as Mohhamedeans, and Hagarenes and in some Jewish writings Muslims are referee to as Ismaelites(descendants of Ishmael) they way Jews call themselves Israelite(Israel was a new name given to Jacob by a angel sent from God in the torah)
Christians believe they are spiritual descendants of Abraham, not literal. Ishmael is thought to be one of the progenitors of the Arabs but not the entire group. Abraham's other sons are also considered ancestors of the Arabs.
'God does not know me.' From a Christian perspective, it means your relationship with God is broken, you are not praying anymore, you have lost your faith. You may have been brought up a Christian but circumstances/life have made you lose your faith. In Baliol's case, his wife died. You believe God exists, but you are angry with him/alienated from the relationship you should have. Other films which shows this are Signs (M Night Shayamalan) and Dusk Till Dawn (Tarrantino).
I think Salah ad-Din killed Renard de Chatillon, because he knew he was responsible for the killing of his sister. Also: To be protected by the laws of hospitality, one has to be offered hospitality first. By offering the cup of ice to Guy de Lusignan, he offered him to live, protected by the law of hospitality. Renard was not offered the drink, but took it, disrespecting the custom. Being the murderer of Salah ad-Din's sister, he was doomed to be killed anyway. As king, Salah ad-Din could not let him live and still command the same respect of his followers.
It’s a bit more complex than that. IRL Saladin had said he would execute Reynauld if he was ever prisoner because he had repeatedly broken treaties and murdered Muslim travellers, and he had a target on his back for years before Hattin. Contemporary Islamic writers considered Reynauld THE enemy of Islam, that’s how cruel he was.
This has been one of my favorite movies ever for many many years... it's very deep & the more you watch it the more you take from it, I'm not religious, but the Warrior connotation of the movie moves my soul...
I like how y'all always double check and clarify with each other when you didn't understand! That's such a good thing to do, makes for a nicer reaction to watch as well :)
2:18 of the DC bluray. Balian and Tiberius inspect the battlefield, Tiberius warns Balian that he has 4 or 5 days at most and leaves for Cyprus. Balian looks at the pile of heads and it zooms in to show the head of the Hospitaler.
Members of the Holy Roman Catholic Church use to go on pilgrimages to the Vatican, and Jerusalem until around Vatican two. I’ve been on one to the Vatican. In Istanbul in the early 1990’s they use to allow Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians to have Mass in Hagia Sophia in one of the restored area of the Mosque/Basilica. It was a truly amazing and beautiful thing! Two of the oldest Religions able to worship in the same place, even as an eight year old I saw it!
Millions of Catholics every year still go on pilgrimages to the Vatican and Jerusalem. Those places didn't suddenly stop being holy after the second Vatican council.
The guy with the white hair with him when he throws the rock at the bush is The character of the Knight Hospitaller played by David Thewlis , who especially in the Director's Cut is portrayed as a somewhat "angelic" messenger of God, was possibly inspired by Saint Nicasius of Sicily, a real-life member of the Hospitaller Order who, like the character, was beheaded after the Battle of Hattin.
I really enjoyed watching one of my favourite movies along with you guys. It was great. I'll be looking for more reactions from you brothers. Maybe "Fight Club" or "The Matrix"? Cheers!
36:10 - At that time, there was an established Roman Catholic Kingdom of Jerusalem (founded after the First Crusade), whose ruler at the time, in which this film takes place, was Baldwin the Leper King. All these knights are from Europe, but the specific ones who strive for war in this film are the Templars. This order was the wealthiest one, and it was officially dissolved in the early 14th century (the last grand master of the Templar Order Jacques de Molay was burned in France in 1314). The Crusaders (including the Templars), participated in crusades against Muslims or to retake the Holy Land from the Muslims. They are all knights from Europe, i.e. crusaders, but they are from different orders or from none of them (just lone knights). Crusaders ≠ Templars, but Templars were part of the Crusaders. Greetings from Poland! 🤍✝❤
I absolutely love this movie! My only 2 complaints are I wish they included a little bit more of Baldwin and Salah Ad-din’s prior history they fought against each other multiple times and Baldwin was the first person to defeat Salah Ad-Din at only 16 which earned him Salah Ad-Din’s respect, he also did offer to send Baldwin his doctors too. My second complaint is the way the director made the Christian’s look like the antagonists full of betrayal and schemes when in reality Baldwin’s family and cabinet relied on him so much that by the end of his life everyone’s incompetences and impatience shined as bright as the sun ☀️ lol.
I am not a religious person, but I find the history of the Abrahamic religions to be extremely central to the history of the world as we know it, and the stories told are truly the stuff of legend. Your commentary and insight is always well-informative and concise. Keep up the good work :D
Saladin actually killed all the Templar and Hospitaller Knights, took many slaves, and ransomed the rest of the Christians. For medieval warfare, it was still very merciful, but not quite what was shown here.
The "You can check out but you'll never leave", you'll never be able to forget it and your either hooked or it's a nightmare you'll always have, perhaps
A beautiful film. It plays loose with history, but the spirit of it is still there. I love its portrayal of Salah ad-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub and King Baldwin IV, both were reasonable men in unreasonable times, trying to deal with the radicals in on their own sides while maintaining justice. At the end of the day, Jerusalem is just a city. It served its purpose when God needed it to, but now it is no longer required for anything. Anyone anywhere can find God now. And it isn’t God that has confused His purpose, men have. When we are before God, all confusions will be clear, and the truth will be made apparent for everyone. I have no doubt that anyone who came to believe in God and his Word, whether it be Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc will be saved once God makes everything clear to us at the end.
There's a lot of speculation that the Hospiliter, the crusader who wore black with the white cross, is actually an Angel. Just from the things he says and the grace that he shows.
A Crusader is anyone who takes up the cross - goes on crusade to remit their sins. The original Crusaders of the 1st Crusade -approx. 100 years before, had now founded kingdoms in Outremer and were essentially a confederation of local Lords under the King of Jerusalem. When you are surrounded by enemies it makes sense to make peace with them, trade, adopt their customs etc. 'New' Crusaders coming in full of ignorance and zeal, along with a few fanatics, could easily upset this balance, which is what is happening here.
@@imadkahya6955 Christians stopped murdering people in the name of God around 800 years ago. Muslims still routinely murder in the name of God to this day. So I'm not sure what delusional world you live in whereby Christians are "always" the extremist ones...
King Baldwin IV was a leper. That was the disease that ate him alive. His nephew’s immunity to pain is a sign of leprosy as well, which is why they were so upset to see that he was immune to pain.
Also in Christendom during the Crusades much like a Jihad dying during the battle to liberate a place was seen as a Holy Act and so fighting in a crusade gave clemency to those who sinned. The Teutonic Order is famous for having mamy convicts in their army as they needed troops to face the Golden Horde and Pagan Poles and Russians
You should watch the Scandinavian epic movie about a swedish boy that grows up into a templar warrior and gets sent to the holy land for atonement. The movie is called "Arn"
They had trebuchets to launch stone, burning rubish or anything else they could (including the heads of enemies). It was a very brutal time. So I'm glad to see you reacting to this movie. Its not as historically acurate as I would like but it is a good movie that does depict some of the problems and prejudices of the time. 😊
I've always associated Saladin giving the water to the king and not the templar after the battle as a hint to the rules of hospitality. You're not allowed to hurt your guests or prisoners if you have given them water and food. It was the same in Scandinavia during the viking age
Despite obvious religious differences Saladin as he became known was high respected in Europe for a long time. In fact the write for the wizard of Oz wrote a different set of books where one of the characters had Saladin for a middle name This isn't a movie but I recommend the Extra Credits videos non the crusades for more history Oh yeah fun fact the English king at the end is Richard the Lionheart, the robin hood stories tend to happen when Richard is crusading.
As-salaam 'alaikum. It's kind of interesting to see a bunch of different reactions to movies. This one got my attention right away. I remember seeing this waaaaaay back in the 2000s. Time has flown like crazy. So yeah, you guys seem cool. Subbed.
The King of England was Richard the Lion-Hearted. The man was brilliant and would have taken Jeruselum if Emperor Barbarossa had not gone for a swim and drowned. He was more than a match for Saladin. He just needed more numbers in his coalition to finish the job.
Hey guys. This is Marco from the United States. Thank you for the reaction. This is a good movie. The disease that the king had was leprosy. It is not really contagious except for young children, which is why the nephew contracted it. Keep up the good work. I have subscribed to your channel.
People of all faiths believed a lot of crazy shit about Jerusalem back in the day. It was really just a way to recruit soldiers in my opinion. I’m loving your reaction so far. Thanks for this.
When he was talking about muslim prayers, he said they sound like our pryaers....pointing out how in faith, the 2 religions aren't that different. When he said gid does not know him, it was in regards to how his life has been. Raised a peasant, with no family, the loss of his child, the suicide of his wife, to be given a farher and quickly having that father taken away, and once being given lands having them taken away by that battle. He sees no blessings or purpose that those that follow god often get.
In reality, Salah ad-Din let whoever could pay a tax go after Balian surrendered. Those who could not were either taken as slaves or killed. Compared to what the Crusaders did over 100 years before, it was very merciful. At least, that's what I was taught in school.
I reside in cape town south africa , we live like they did in those years my neighbours are muslim and we all live lovely together here yes we do have stupid issues but its never about religion as our parents and their parents state there will be peace and so it is no1 judges eachother , example on friday when its jumah we as christians will lower our volume because there are those who are in mosque and y will lower their volume on sunday because we are in church just a example because respect is forge in understanding of one another and thats what makes it nice to live with each other . I liked how you two watched this movie and got to understand it , it isnt accurate but it gives one a chance to get to know how they lived together thats all we need to do which is respect to all .
When Saladin said nothing and everything I think meant to the rest of the world it was nothing but a city and land. To Saladin it was everything to him and to his people.
The part when his father slaps him when making him a knight and Balian slapping the young man later when doing the same thing is a real thing from history. When someone was made made a knight the would kneel in front of the King or Noblemen who knighting them, they would make a path to protect the weak and women and defend the Church. They then would be given a new sword, a belt with the scabbard (the sheath for the swodd)that the sword would be held in when not in use and would have silver spurs attached to their boots(spurs are used to prick the sides of the horse when riding to go faster). Then the person performing the Ceremony would slap the new Knight across the face an tell him let that be he last time someone hits no without him hitting them back. In the 16th century this was slowly changed to tapping the new Knight on each shoulder with the blade of a sword which is something still done by the English King when making someone a Knight which is now used as a way to honour someone who has done service to the country
The knights in the white with red crosses are the Knights Templar. They are warrior "monks". They grew powerful in Europe during the crusades by creating the first banking system. Their job was to protect the pilgrims during their travels to the Holy Land. The ones in the black with white crosses are the Knights Hospitalars. They were responsible for protecting the pilgrims and setting up hospitals throughout the Holy Land. They were 2 of the 3 warrior branches in the Roman Church. The third branch was the Teutonic Knights. This movie portrays the Knights Templar as the bad guys but during the crusades, they were considered to be the "Special Forces" of the ancient world. They were not permitted to surrender.
You two look young, which is a gift you should be proud of. It is important to recognize that when this movie was made the US was involved in the "Global War on Terrorism" which many radicals on both sides unfortunately viewed as "Christians vs Muslims". This movie that depicted the "2nd Crusades" as a more complex scenario with good guys and bad guys on both sides was a very important challenge to this thinking, at least from the American perspective. This movie really did mark a time where American's started to recognize both that their "enemies" were more complex than they had initially given credit and also that they themselves and their allies were prone to the same dangers of extremism that they had previously defined their enemies by. Likewise, it is very refreshing to see two young men like yourselves so open to these complexities but steadfast in your pursuit of peace, mutual prosperity, and spiritual "Hanafiyyah". Well done to you two for both opening yourself beyond the immediate world around you while also being true & authentic to yourselves. From the US as a non-muslim that more extreme Muslims would consider "kafir" because I have read the Quran and not taken Shahada, I hope that you can appreciate that I think you two seem two be high-quality young men despite that difference. And if I were a gambling man, I would bet that you two would be humble enough to take that as a genuine compliment. Well done, gentlemen. Keep up the great work!
Good choice picking the Director's Cut rather than the Theatrical, it's a much better story. Even as an athiest I can appreciate religion bringing out the best in people rather than the worse. History is important, may these historical site remain protected in perpetuity.
as far as can tell in recorded history from before even chrisindom or islam, even back to the bronze age there have always been 2 types of people. ones who understand people are people no matter where they come from and ones who are afraid or use fear to divide us from each other.
they do show his face the King had the lepre the condition in wich you meat rot while you are still alive. And the kid found ut he got it. Also, later on the flamed rocks where covered in a melange f gudron and sticky petrol (roman knew it as petra oleum (oil of stone).you could also use oil. WHen it landed the sticky flamed would stay here and keep the flampes going
Richard II “The Lionheart” of England and Salah ad-Din fought each other for many years and their rivalry is the stuff of legend. Definitely recommend you guys read into their rivalry if you’re interested.
What is Jerusalem worth? From a rational, materialistic, worldly perspective it certainly isn't worth hundreds of thousands dead people, it's simply another city in the middle of the desert (to exaggerate a bit). It is worth nothing. But to those who believe in it, Jews, Christians, Muslims - to those it is the center of the world. It's the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. It is worth everything. That's what Salah ad-Din is saying: As a ruler, a military leader, a commander, a King - it is worth nothing to him. As a Believer it is worth everything.
A romance about a broken heart and girls ... plus a bit of history. The blacksmith has visions, the princess didn't go back to France with Balian, she stayed with her humiliated husband! Hope you watched the Director's Cut. That one friendly knight was an angel.
both sides have their extremists to this day, and the small minorities end up causing wars when given too much power... The story of Baldwin the 4th, a leper king as he was called, and Saladin is true, and after Baldwin's death war broke out again and Saladin ended up conquering Jerusalem. Guy of Lusignan, dude with long black hair, was also a real historical figure who married Baldwiw's sister.
Amazing reaction on an amazing movie. It clearly shows the reality of that time from both perspectives. How there were good men and evil men. Btw Templars - the ones wearing white with the red cross were also Crusaders. Crusader means someone who took upon themselves the holy crusade to participate in the military expeditions to the Holy Land, but the knights were separated in different orders therefore the different colors. And the saying at the end is so true: Nearly a thousand years later, peace in the Kingdom of Heaven remains elusive. P.S. Oh and the scene where one of the Templars cuts a man almost in half with his sword is realistic. Templar's sword can cut a man in half in one strike.
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@ 15:55 He says here, "...It sounds like our prayers." Not operas. He simply meant that the Muslims prayers were not unlike Christians prayers. This movie may have taken some liberties and various things may not be historically accurate but I LOVE the message of there being at least SOME Muslims and Christians who wanted to get along and did because they perhaps simply realized that even though they took different paths on worshipping God, that they are still fellow human beings. 🥰
Hello there, to help you as a fellow european christian, Templars werent cruzaders, Templars were a professional monk, militar and religious order, Known before as the poor knights of Christ, they were made by few whom wanted to protect piligrims in their journey From Europe to Jerusalem and Vice versa, their journey was dangerous, thousands died each journey, they made pilgrimage to pray for their souls to God, in order for him forgive their sins through their sacrifice, as Jihad and cruzaders were both fanatics, both sides killed many inocents that wanted to live a peacefull life with their families Jerusalem is a sacred place to both Jewish, Muslims and Christians, All wanted to create a kingdom of their own, to protect their faith, After the fall of Jerusalem, a third cruzade was called to take back the city, Richard I of England and Saladin, fought for it and they came with a treaty, Jerusalem would be part of the Fathimid Sultanate ( Saladin's kindom) and in exchange for peace every pilgrim, were to leave weapons outside the city and Saladin himself would garantee their protection in their journey for praying, after that treaty, mutch less pilgrims were killed by the word of Saladin that spread islamic world, aswell that was also acepted by christians wich the praying was enshured, for christians, Templars here in the movie had too mutch power and autonomy but in truth only the King Balduim IV also know as the Lepper King, could call the Templars wich was an elite force, and no other than himself could lead soldiers, besides templars had a strict code of chivalry and piety that wouldnt allow them to do that, only his brother in law and the knights loyal to him and Reynald's men, would do that all by greed and not by faith in those times faith was an excuse for human lives lost, to justify the atrocities, to enrich few.
I hope i had clarify the historical matter, by the way king Balduim at age of 16 won an important battle against Saladin, that is why each king respected one another, since they recognized the other as an competent king and a honorable one besides that.
1:22:19 What Salah ad-Din meant there is that strategically and as a physical location Jerusalem was really worth nothing, but spiritually and as a holy place for both Christians and Muslims, it is worth everything.
We need to search for the Jerusalem within our own minds...
Or maybe he meant that it was worth nothing (a barren land) but everything (it has been the most important geopolitical location for probably 4000 years).
@@EdgarTheOgre 4000 years?? Come on, no it wasn't. It wasn't even the center of the Hebrew state in the time of Solomon, after it broke apart the capital was in other places, Shiloh, Samaria. Jerusalem was the capital of Judah but Judah was the smaller and weaker state. Geopolitically the city was never important, not in antiquity and not after... its importance was religious, because of the importance Christianity put on it.
The reason why Balian could return to his home, without getting prosecuted is that he went on a crusade.
His crimes were forgiven.
good point !
This film is not historically accurate, but it is historically illustrative, and really captures the gist of the events during the crusades, including the perspectives of the Christian and Muslim factions. This version of the film is an excellent movie and I’m glad you reacted to it.
it is an excellent movie, one of my all time favorites, but a terrible crime against history xd
Agreed they pretended they gave irrigation tech to Muslims who already knew it
Its super racist
This version? Are there multiple versions?
@@maxmichalik4938 Yes:
The theatrical cut (144 minutes)
Director's cut (189 minutes)
Director's cut Roadshow version (194 minutes)
Exactly. This movie is not trying to portray historical fact, it's trying to show a historical context
Im excited about you watching this movie. I am a Catholic religiously, i enjoy your content as Muslims and your perspective. This movie is supposed to have one of the best acting performance for someone portraying Salah ad-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub. The care and patience found within the acting of this person was astounding. The respect he showed his enemies was noble and gratious.
I'm Catholic, too. But I do believe that Muslims and Jews are our brothers and sisters in God. ❤
We all stem from Abraham and His Love ❤️
@@jimmygriner3867 Very true. May God bless us all.
But Jerusalem which was named by which religion ?????
Jerusalem has been under attack for 1600+ years now because the majority of Muslims want all holy places for themselves.
I hope all wars stop throughout the world but I’m usually disappointed so I expect everything to continue as usual 😢
@@meanlean3095 so you came to these nice young mens channel to argue religion with me? Snakes speak in many languages, i do not understand their uses...
This is in my top ten movies. The message it has about Godliness is profound. Some leaders are just and serve their fellow man. Others are wicked and only serve themselves. The movie also speaks to morality and Machiavellian principles. It is a kingdom of conscious or none at all.
Conscience!
You insert Machiavel in a story that took place 300 years before his time. That means he simply analysed humanity and his writings are the conclusion. Machiavel is no plotter. He's an observer doubled with a concluder, and he happened to master both. He gathered together comprehensive knowledge about how large populations of humans function from a POV that parallels that of chemestry. He intended to give the book as an un-demanded gift to his own ruler, whom he was already the counselor. Nowaday that book is accessible to every ruler, and each of them use it to their own purposes, and the destructive potential resides there. I salute your use of Machiavellian instead of Machiavellic. That proves you know the difference. Something that is rarer than it should.
They made an atheist the only moral man in the story. It's not actually a message about being godly, it's the exact opposite.
@@Pink.andahalf Christians are warlike. Only clergy are pacifist.
@@Pink.andahalf Both kings from different religions were wise and actaully very moral, having in count the societies of those times
Thank you both so much for watching this! It absolutely made my entire week. Salahuddin was legendary among the Christian nations as a truly honorable man, and was deeply respected by King Richard of England, and especially King Baldwin IV (the leper king of Jerusalem). The crusades were an incredibly violent and tragic time, and the issues which drove the various factions involved were complex. But overall, despite the war and tensions in the Holy Land even today, I truly believe that the Abrahamic faiths are closer to a lasting peace than at any other point in history. Much love from the U.S. God protect you. السلام عليكم
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Sybilla killed her son as an act of mercy. Her son had leprosy and would have died an incredibly agonizing, prolonged death otherwise.
She HAD just seen her beautiful brother suffer and die. And had witnessed thru the appearance of his face just how much he'd had to endure.
@@cindyknudson2715very true I bet that disease still is rampant in areas
Modern antibiotics have made it virtually extinct in areas where they are avaliable, however, in some parts of the world, it is still an issue today@basedsketch4133
That king at the end looking for Balian of Ibelin is Richard the Lionheart, the Pope called for a third crusade to take back Jerusalem. Richard took some cities in the coast, but could not take Jerusalem, the third crusade ended with a treaty that christians could again travel to and worship in Jerusalem. Also the king Baldwin IV of Jerusalem had a severe skin disease called leprosy, which in ancient times was very mortal.
Nice reaction guys! Thanks for watching this masterpiece.
also the red and white crusaders are templar knights
That's true and Richard Lionheart was one of the best earlier Kings of England and it said he couldn't have lived longer.. although his army and Saladin"s fought, the two of them had much respect for one another.. after Richard died from his illness, Saladin set his people to meet up with those with King Richard to pay condolences... It was so sweet and really respectful of the time because most kids didn't do that.
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 Yes, they respected each other, Richard and Saladin's brother Al-Adil became friends in their meetings to discuss prisioner exchanges and truces. Richard even knighted Al-Adil's son in the christian manner. Also when Richard arrived in the Holy land, he fell sick. When Saladin heard about Richard's sickness he sent him fruits and healers to help him get well again.
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1. Richard didn't die. He went back to England (though he was captured in Germany/Austria and then ransomed for a massive amount of gold)
2. Richard wasn't a fanatic and believed in strategy...he wanted to attack Egypt, because Egypt was critical for Salah ad-Din, but the rest of the crusaders were fanatical lunatics who didn't want to listen to reason and logic and strategy and just wanted to attack Jerusalem head-on.
Plus, the King of France, Phillip, had gone back home (France and England were eternally at war), which left Richard's kingdom vulnerable to France. France and England had made a momentary peace, and both kings made a pact to crusade together, but the French king broke the pact soon after arriving in the Holy Land and went back home.
So Richard decided, screw these lunatics and went back to England as well.
@@tylerdurden3722 I knew the French and English were always fighting, but I was thinking that Richard Lionheart died before getting back to England. I didn’t realize he had gotten back to the homeland, and I know he was returning home because of King Philip. Richard did not bring his brother John could deal with King Philip of France so he was heading back home to England. I’m aware that he was held ransom, but I still kept thinking he died on the way back before he reached England.
In later years Salah ad-Din was greatly admired in Europe, too. There are thirteenth-century and fourteenth-century poems from France and Italy showing his generosity and other qualities.
In fact, Salah ad-Din was held as the perfect example of a noble knight.
This is 💯 true. I gained a whole lot more respect for him as I learned of his secret alliance with some of the Templar Knights in providing a safe space for the deepest secrets to later take shape in Europe.
There also is the 18th century German dramatic poem "Nathan the Wise" by Gotthold Ephraim Lessing that puts a Jew in the titular role in a plea for religious tolerance between the three Abrahamic religions that is also set in 12th century Jerusalem and praises Saladin.
There was a British military vehicle named after him as well.
what generosity? didnt he enslave several women and children ? this generosity sounds like hollywood stuff made up to white or present a happy ending.
Baldwin IV was a true bad-ass. He did indeed win a celebrated victory over Saladin when he was 16 called the Battle of Montgisard. Baldwin, accompanied by only 500 knights, charged Saladin's army of 20,000, catching them off-guard and utterly routed them. Saladin barely escaped with his life and only 5% of his army made it back to Egypt. It was such a crushing victory that peace followed and was maintained.
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true french
Baldwin and Sallahudin were great leaders whose moral code were respected across both camps. The peace they ensured in Jeruzalem, not repeating the slaughter that happened prior to that, was a key factor for their support. Both were mainly driven by peace which also resulted in a better relationship afterwards from the Muslims lifting the ban on Jewish pilgrims to the pact of co-existence between the Church and the Muslim government after both their rule. Considering who runs Jeruzalem now, you'd wish either 1 of them could be brought back to this life. Baldwin respected in the East and Sallahudin respected in the West for their leadership qualities, mercy and perseverance.
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You do understand that a crapload of Muslims live in Israel right?
You do understand that there are elected Muslim leaders in the Israeli parliament right now?
You do understand that Muslims, Christians and Jews are all free to visit their holy places in Jerusalem and the only requirement is that you can’t be a terrorist?
It is not very explicit, but in the scene with the bushes on fire, the black knight was actually God. In fact at the very end of the scene the second bush catches fire spontaneously (resembling the Biblical episode of God speaking to Mose through a bush on fire, even mentioned at the beginning of the scene) and the black knight disappears, while they are in the middle of the desert. Also you can see the black knight awakening Orlando Bloom after he fights the knights that wanted to kill him, because God wants him to go back to Gerusalem to save the people. This is to contrast the recurrent theme in the movie where Orlando Bloom says several times that God doesn't speak with him and doesn't know him, and his concluded with the last dialogue between him and Saladin's first knight when he says: "if God doesn't know you, how you were able to do all the things you have done". God (in the figure of the black knight) knew him and was actually speaking to him all the time.
"Nearly a thousand years later,peace of " Kingdom of Heaven" remain elusive." ...Oh, how true this is
Some historical notes:
1) Guy de Lusignan was indeed an idiot, but the circumstances of his marriage to the King's sister differs. In reality, Sibylla wanted to marry him, despite him being only the younger son of a lesser lord in France. Guy was reputedly a strikingly handsome man, and was known as a very brave knight. Indeed, in his youth he very nearly killed William Marshal, who is considered the greatest knight to have ever lived, and was a close advisor and councillor to five Kings of England, and Regent for a couple years during the minority of Henry III. Anyway, Sibylla and her mother pestered Baldwin until he yielded and allowed the marriage. He regretted it as did the whole Kingdom. Guy leading the army to disaster at the Horns of Hattin in 1187 did happen. However, after the fall of Jerusalem, he was still considered king by some, and he led a faction during the following 3rd Crusade, with Richard I's support. However, eventually a new king was chosen and Guy was compensated by Richard with Cyprus. Guy ruled as King of Cyprus, founding a dynasty that lasted for a three hundred years, until his death in 1194.
2) Raynald de Chatillion was an even worse brigand than depicted in the film. He entered the Middle East during the 2nd Crusade as a mercenary and through cunning and courage, married his way into becoming the Prince of Antioch, a sovereign ruler. But he was a brutal man despised by most. He was captured by the Emir of Aleppo and sat in a dungeon for 15 years because no one wanted to pay his ransom. However, he was eventually released and deprived of Antioch, he was given the important lordship of Oultrejourdain where, as in the film, he behaved like a robber baron, often in the company of Guy. He even once developed a scheme to build a fleet on the Red Sea and sail to Mecca to steal Mohammed's body for ransom. As in the film, his barbarity incited (though he did not kill Saladin's sister) Saladin's wrath who laid siege to Raynold's seat at Kerak Castle and pillaged his domains for a month. It was Raynald who suggested to Guy that he attack Saladin, and thus they were routed at Hattin. As in the film, Saladin' struck off Raynald's head with his sword after the brigand attempted to win Saladin's hospitality by taking Guy's drinking cup. Saladin said: "A king does not kill a king, but that man's perfidy and insolence went too far."
3) Saladin offering Guy his cup is a custom of the rules of hospitality. By offering Guy his cup, he was declaring that Guy could not be harmed and was under his protection. He pointedly did not offer Raynald his cup, and refused to acknowledge Raynald's use of the cup, thus making it clear Raynald had no protection.
4) Tiberias is a character based on Count Raymond III of Tripoli (County of Tripoli in current Lebanon, not Libya). Historically he was a bit less of an honorable person, but he did feud with Raynald and Guy. Unlike the film, he fought at Hattin and some historians believe he was as much to blame for the disaster as Guy. The Muslims thought highly of him: "Nobody more influential than him, none braver and none more excellent in counsel."
Raynald was a TERRIBLE man indeed. But I feel like they did Guy de Lusignan dirty in this movie. He was far from a man of virtue and often did not honor his word after peace treaty's.. But he wasn't this zealous crazy murderer as depicted in the movie. He survived the events in the movie and raised another army and became part of the 3rd crusade after Richard landed with his relief force.
Raynald de Chatillon also invaded and horribly plundered the rich Byzantine island of Cyprus in 1156, along with the Armenian lord Thoros II of Cilicia! In 1158 the Byzantine Emperor Manuel Komnenos led a punitive campaign against him and Thoros with a massive army! The Armenians fled to the mountains and Reynald was left alone and hopelessly outnumbered! He was spared by the Emperor but was humiliated in the presence of Frankish and Muslim dignitaries by being made to prostrate barefooted in front of the Emperor and beg for his life ( the somewhat similar scene in the movie alludes to that historical incident).
@@slickwilly7341 Not only that but he also tortured the Latin Patriarch of Antioch (an important cleric of the Catholic Church in the Holy Land) over money that he wasn't even owed, he literally just wanted to rob the poor guy to finance his invasion of Cyprus.
Love that you guys admit when you're not following the story and went back to understand
The European soldiers are all called "crusaders" but the group in white with the red crosses are called "Templars". They were a Holy order of the crusades. However, they were not the only order, as there were other groups like the Teutonic Order and the Order of St. John A.K.A. Hospitallers (what the knight in the black and white was apart of). It should also be noted that while the Templars did wear the white robe with red cross, that was also a common garment for other crusader armies and groups as well (basically not all of the guys in red and white were Templars).
she's not evil.. she preferred to kill her son so he won't suffer the same faith as her brother did.. they're painting the stones white as range finders so the archers/catapults /trebuchets/ ballista would know their angle of release.. cool reaction guys 😊👍
18:10 This is called, in french "La Colée". A strike made to the new knight, generally to the face or the neck. In the beginning it was a form of showing that the new knight was tough and could take a hit. With time, it became a religious rite that became the famous move with the sword over the shoulders to make someone a knight.
27:19 In the middle-ages, women of Europe covered their hair just like muslim women do with the Hijab. Elaborated coif like the late medieval hennin, the famous conical hat we see women wear.
31:00 The time of the crusades was not the big "civilisational clash" that classical history made it out to be. Once the crusaders established their fiefdoms in the middle-east, they quickly mixed elements of their own culture with the locals'. In 1108, 70 years before the time of the movie and just 20 years after the beginning of the first crusade, there was the battle of Tell Bacher, opposing, on one side, christian Tancred prince of Galilea and muslim Fakhr al-Mulk Ridwan, against Baldwin II of Jerusalem and Jawali Saqawa. So basically, crusaders and muslims mixed a lot and forged alliances between themselves to assist in their respective internal disputes. Of course, there were still radicals on either sides.
51:00 While the events of the movie are not accurate to what we know of what happened historically, it is true that Badlwin IV of Jerusalem died from leprosy and was known as the "Leper King".
When the costume designer was granted access to a crusader museum in a castle in France, she discovered the actual livery (crest) that Balian of Ibelin wore in the 12th century. So what you see Balian wearing is actually what the real life man wore. Ridley Scott, what a great director.
Also, the old box dvd set had special features that gave a lot of background on the actual history and the way it was filmed.
This is a great movie.
Her son he been allowed to live, would have developed the same disease that killed the king. One of the symptoms is a lack of the ability to feel pain hence why she got so worried when he didn't react to the hot wax falling on his hand or being poked in the foot with a needle. His flesh would basically decay and he would become deformed like the king and die an early death. She killed him with poison to prevent that suffering as an act of mercy.
"Take me to Jerusalem."
"Is this Iraq?"
*Geography has left the chat*
I laughed harder at this then I should have. 😅😂
The reason why Salah ad-Din assaults the walls after they are breached is to seek a decisive end to the seige. Like any besieger, he has limited supplies of food and water. So do the defenders, but in this arid environment and with such a huge army, I think supplies are even more difficult for him to come by. Sieges were often contests of starvation and disease when they dragged on for weeks. So even though assaulting was very bloody especially for the attackers, sometimes it was the preferable option to sitting around for weeks while your army atrophies and starves.
Glad you guys watched the extended version, because the theatrical release left out too much and didn’t come out right.
Enjoyed your reactions, and appreciated your historical knowledge and perspective. Please watch “Last of the Mohicans” or “Dances with wolves”. You’ll enjoy both I think
2:31 Your excitement when hearing Salah ad-Din's name is exactly what I clicked on this video for 😂😂
The Queen wasn't evil, she killed her son out of mercy to what she saw her brother had to endure. She said she would endure hell in the afterlife to prevent her son having to endure hell on Earth.
Witch she is good enough
So the scene with the cup of ice is a little different then you're thinking, it was actually a shared custom between the Arabs and the Franks that you don't kill someone once you've accepted them as your guest (and in some cases you would also be obliged to offer your guests protection).
There were several ways of signaling acceptance of someone as your guest but the simplest was the offering of refreshment, whether a simple cup of water from the Lord's own hand or a table of food (In England and France there was also particular symbology given to sharing bread and salt as a symbol you were a guest in someone's house).
So by giving the cup of water to Guy, Saladin was making him his guest and sparing his life. Guy tried to manipulate the gesture by giving the cup to Raymond, essentially trying to say "this man is with me and is therefore also a guest" which is why Raymond immediately drank it and said "I drink water for what it is" trying to signal his status as a guest.
Saladin of course, was having none of this since Raymond had repeatedly violated his word and attacked his people and pointedly says "I did not give the cup to you" by which he means he is NOT granting guest status to Raymond and is in fact treating him as a prisoner subject to justice for his crimes, justice Saladin subsequently dispenses.
in the siege of Jerusalem, the history is much darker than the depiction in the movie, first the muslim army said to kill every christian, then Balian threatened to kill every muslim in the city, then they agreed on the terms but every christian was required to pay ransom for themselves or be enslaved, many of the poorest were allowed to leave but about 10 000-20 000 people, depending on the source, were sold into slavery to pay for the war together with the ransom
There were no negotiations when the christians first took the city.
Muslims and jews were massacred together, according to contemporary writers 70,000 were killed but 40,000 is a plausible number.
@@AudieHolland I am not disputing the massacre that happened before, just that the siege resolution is romanticized in the movie
@@AudieHolland 70.000 is from Ibn al-Athīr. He is not a good source because he worked for the moslem King. Christian writers estimated around 10.000 killed. Also not a good source. Based on third sources the modern historian estimated that around 3000 People are killed in the aftermath.
P.S. i looked into your number of 40.000. I found out that anonymous syrian sources called a number of 30.000. But they also biased. I think from their your number comes from.
Many historian in the past were not careful when they interpret sources. They forgot that already in medival times the people used propganda and fake news. Its really hard to correct this informations and still teached to students in school.
Not the poorest. They released (and used as propaganda for Saladin) the weakest and oldest. Reports of local slave market shows that after the moslems won back Jerusalem, the slave prices dropped immensely. They simple released the people with the lowest value and probaly are unsellable after a big number of new slaves put in the slave markets.
A thousand years after the man lived, people are still trying to bring down his good name.
Saracen is a European term that means not of "Sarah"
Jews and Christians believe they are the descendants of Abraham and his wife Sarah through his son Isaac and Isaac's son Jacob(Yakub in Arabic)
Jews and Christians believe that Arabs are the descendants of Abraham through Hagar, who was Sarahs servant and Hagars son Ishmael.
Christians had several terms for Muslims in the middle ages that are no longer used beside Saracen, such as Mohhamedeans, and Hagarenes and in some Jewish writings Muslims are referee to as Ismaelites(descendants of Ishmael) they way Jews call themselves Israelite(Israel was a new name given to Jacob by a angel sent from God in the torah)
Christians believe they are spiritual descendants of Abraham, not literal. Ishmael is thought to be one of the progenitors of the Arabs but not the entire group. Abraham's other sons are also considered ancestors of the Arabs.
I think you brothers would enjoy The 13th Warrior (1999) that would be a great movie to react to.
'God does not know me.' From a Christian perspective, it means your relationship with God is broken, you are not praying anymore, you have lost your faith. You may have been brought up a Christian but circumstances/life have made you lose your faith. In Baliol's case, his wife died. You believe God exists, but you are angry with him/alienated from the relationship you should have. Other films which shows this are Signs (M Night Shayamalan) and Dusk Till Dawn (Tarrantino).
It might be read other way around - you believe God left you because of your sins, that you're unworthy of his care and attention.
I still own this movie on dvd. One of my favorites.
I think Salah ad-Din killed Renard de Chatillon, because he knew he was responsible for the killing of his sister. Also: To be protected by the laws of hospitality, one has to be offered hospitality first. By offering the cup of ice to Guy de Lusignan, he offered him to live, protected by the law of hospitality. Renard was not offered the drink, but took it, disrespecting the custom. Being the murderer of Salah ad-Din's sister, he was doomed to be killed anyway. As king, Salah ad-Din could not let him live and still command the same respect of his followers.
It’s a bit more complex than that. IRL Saladin had said he would execute Reynauld if he was ever prisoner because he had repeatedly broken treaties and murdered Muslim travellers, and he had a target on his back for years before Hattin. Contemporary Islamic writers considered Reynauld THE enemy of Islam, that’s how cruel he was.
This has been one of my favorite movies ever for many many years... it's very deep & the more you watch it the more you take from it,
I'm not religious, but the Warrior connotation of the movie moves my soul...
Really like the actor who plays Salah ad-Din!
I like how y'all always double check and clarify with each other when you didn't understand! That's such a good thing to do, makes for a nicer reaction to watch as well :)
I am Catholic but you 2 are also my brothers we walk different paths but i respect you
Thank you for reacting to this film! I enjoyed hearing your perspective!!!
No problem 😊
It is speculated that the Hospitaler was an angel in the movie.
Was looking for this comment. I never noticed the first few watches then I saw the directors cut and it confirmed it!!!
His head is in the pile at the end of the lost battle, he's not an angel.
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2:18 of the DC bluray. Balian and Tiberius inspect the battlefield, Tiberius warns Balian that he has 4 or 5 days at most and leaves for Cyprus. Balian looks at the pile of heads
and it zooms in to show the head of the Hospitaler.
Members of the Holy Roman Catholic Church use to go on pilgrimages to the Vatican, and Jerusalem until around Vatican two. I’ve been on one to the Vatican. In Istanbul in the early 1990’s they use to allow Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians to have Mass in Hagia Sophia in one of the restored area of the Mosque/Basilica. It was a truly amazing and beautiful thing! Two of the oldest Religions able to worship in the same place, even as an eight year old I saw it!
Millions of Catholics every year still go on pilgrimages to the Vatican and Jerusalem. Those places didn't suddenly stop being holy after the second Vatican council.
Saladin was my fav character in this movie. He stole every scene and had great lines.
This is my favorite movie of all time! Yay! Glad to see someone react to it especially you guys!
The guy with the white hair with him when he throws the rock at the bush is
The character of the Knight Hospitaller played by David Thewlis , who especially in the Director's Cut is portrayed as a somewhat "angelic" messenger of God, was possibly inspired by Saint Nicasius of Sicily, a real-life member of the Hospitaller Order who, like the character, was beheaded after the Battle of Hattin.
I hope its the directors cut. It is 100x better.
I will be home in an hours and will enjoy this one.
I think it is. I watched the theatrical version and there the part all references to Sibylla's son were edited out.
I really enjoyed watching one of my favourite movies along with you guys. It was great. I'll be looking for more reactions from you brothers. Maybe "Fight Club" or "The Matrix"? Cheers!
36:10 - At that time, there was an established Roman Catholic Kingdom of Jerusalem (founded after the First Crusade), whose ruler at the time, in which this film takes place, was Baldwin the Leper King.
All these knights are from Europe, but the specific ones who strive for war in this film are the Templars. This order was the wealthiest one, and it was officially dissolved in the early 14th century (the last grand master of the Templar Order Jacques de Molay was burned in France in 1314).
The Crusaders (including the Templars), participated in crusades against Muslims or to retake the Holy Land from the Muslims. They are all knights from Europe, i.e. crusaders, but they are from different orders or from none of them (just lone knights). Crusaders ≠ Templars, but Templars were part of the Crusaders.
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Im glad you reacted to the full version of the movie. Even though it is long it really improves the movie
I absolutely love this movie! My only 2 complaints are I wish they included a little bit more of Baldwin and Salah Ad-din’s prior history they fought against each other multiple times and Baldwin was the first person to defeat Salah Ad-Din at only 16 which earned him Salah Ad-Din’s respect, he also did offer to send Baldwin his doctors too. My second complaint is the way the director made the Christian’s look like the antagonists full of betrayal and schemes when in reality Baldwin’s family and cabinet relied on him so much that by the end of his life everyone’s incompetences and impatience shined as bright as the sun ☀️ lol.
I am not a religious person, but I find the history of the Abrahamic religions to be extremely central to the history of the world as we know it, and the stories told are truly the stuff of legend. Your commentary and insight is always well-informative and concise. Keep up the good work :D
Saladin actually killed all the Templar and Hospitaller Knights, took many slaves, and ransomed the rest of the Christians.
For medieval warfare, it was still very merciful, but not quite what was shown here.
True, but they watered down a lot of that on both sides. Balion being some liberal progressive, tolerant of all faiths guy is another example.
The "You can check out but you'll never leave", you'll never be able to forget it and your either hooked or it's a nightmare you'll always have, perhaps
A beautiful film. It plays loose with history, but the spirit of it is still there. I love its portrayal of Salah ad-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub and King Baldwin IV, both were reasonable men in unreasonable times, trying to deal with the radicals in on their own sides while maintaining justice.
At the end of the day, Jerusalem is just a city. It served its purpose when God needed it to, but now it is no longer required for anything. Anyone anywhere can find God now. And it isn’t God that has confused His purpose, men have. When we are before God, all confusions will be clear, and the truth will be made apparent for everyone. I have no doubt that anyone who came to believe in God and his Word, whether it be Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc will be saved once God makes everything clear to us at the end.
There's a lot of speculation that the Hospiliter, the crusader who wore black with the white cross, is actually an Angel. Just from the things he says and the grace that he shows.
16:10 the man didn't say "operas", but "our prayers". "Sounds like our prayers".
Awesome, exciting to see y'all's take on this. One of my favorite flicks.
"Is this Iraq?" 😂
Peace is always better.🙏
A Crusader is anyone who takes up the cross - goes on crusade to remit their sins. The original Crusaders of the 1st Crusade -approx. 100 years before, had now founded kingdoms in Outremer and were essentially a confederation of local Lords under the King of Jerusalem. When you are surrounded by enemies it makes sense to make peace with them, trade, adopt their customs etc. 'New' Crusaders coming in full of ignorance and zeal, along with a few fanatics, could easily upset this balance, which is what is happening here.
these two have a weird disconnect between others religious extremism and their own
typical lol
you like literally every Westie ever, Do you find it weird when you perceive that other ppl behave as you always do?
@@imadkahya6955 Your ignorant "you stupid westerners" narrative only worked years ago. The veil has been lifted though, we can see your racism.
@@imadkahya6955 you seem to bee triggered by his realtalk
@@imadkahya6955 Christians stopped murdering people in the name of God around 800 years ago. Muslims still routinely murder in the name of God to this day. So I'm not sure what delusional world you live in whereby Christians are "always" the extremist ones...
King Baldwin IV was a leper. That was the disease that ate him alive. His nephew’s immunity to pain is a sign of leprosy as well, which is why they were so upset to see that he was immune to pain.
Yea the guy at the end the king of England was Richard the Lionheart he defeated Saladin and won many battles after the time period of this movie.
Also in Christendom during the Crusades much like a Jihad dying during the battle to liberate a place was seen as a Holy Act and so fighting in a crusade gave clemency to those who sinned.
The Teutonic Order is famous for having mamy convicts in their army as they needed troops to face the Golden Horde and Pagan Poles and Russians
You should watch the Scandinavian epic movie about a swedish boy that grows up into a templar warrior and gets sent to the holy land for atonement. The movie is called "Arn"
One of my favourite movies . I'm glad you reacted to it .
king baldwin's actor was edward norton and its one of his best performances ❤
They had trebuchets to launch stone, burning rubish or anything else they could (including the heads of enemies). It was a very brutal time.
So I'm glad to see you reacting to this movie. Its not as historically acurate as I would like but it is a good movie that does depict some of the problems and prejudices of the time. 😊
I've always associated Saladin giving the water to the king and not the templar after the battle as a hint to the rules of hospitality. You're not allowed to hurt your guests or prisoners if you have given them water and food. It was the same in Scandinavia during the viking age
Despite obvious religious differences Saladin as he became known was high respected in Europe for a long time. In fact the write for the wizard of Oz wrote a different set of books where one of the characters had Saladin for a middle name
This isn't a movie but I recommend the Extra Credits videos non the crusades for more history
Oh yeah fun fact the English king at the end is Richard the Lionheart, the robin hood stories tend to happen when Richard is crusading.
As-salaam 'alaikum. It's kind of interesting to see a bunch of different reactions to movies. This one got my attention right away. I remember seeing this waaaaaay back in the 2000s. Time has flown like crazy. So yeah, you guys seem cool. Subbed.
Ty guys, i appreciate your point of view
The King of England was Richard the Lion-Hearted. The man was brilliant and would have taken Jeruselum if Emperor Barbarossa had not gone for a swim and drowned. He was more than a match for Saladin. He just needed more numbers in his coalition to finish the job.
Hey guys. This is Marco from the United States. Thank you for the reaction. This is a good movie. The disease that the king had was leprosy. It is not really contagious except for young children, which is why the nephew contracted it.
Keep up the good work. I have subscribed to your channel.
You guys need to check out the theory that the knight with black robes and a white cross is actually an angel on earth.
Please watch Idiocracy!
They don’t need to, it’s literally happening
@@Crowbars357 Too bloody right, you are..
At least outsiders will have some idea of what's happening to us as a warning to future generations lol
Saladin's reputation is very good amongst Christian history fans, from what I have seen. I'd watch a movie from his perspective for sure.
People of all faiths believed a lot of crazy shit about Jerusalem back in the day. It was really just a way to recruit soldiers in my opinion.
I’m loving your reaction so far. Thanks for this.
The hit in the face marks the reason to be a Knight - the Hit of the Knight - it’s a standing phrase also in these days.
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When he was talking about muslim prayers, he said they sound like our pryaers....pointing out how in faith, the 2 religions aren't that different.
When he said gid does not know him, it was in regards to how his life has been. Raised a peasant, with no family, the loss of his child, the suicide of his wife, to be given a farher and quickly having that father taken away, and once being given lands having them taken away by that battle. He sees no blessings or purpose that those that follow god often get.
In reality, Salah ad-Din let whoever could pay a tax go after Balian surrendered. Those who could not were either taken as slaves or killed. Compared to what the Crusaders did over 100 years before, it was very merciful. At least, that's what I was taught in school.
I reside in cape town south africa , we live like they did in those years my neighbours are muslim and we all live lovely together here yes we do have stupid issues but its never about religion as our parents and their parents state there will be peace and so it is no1 judges eachother , example on friday when its jumah we as christians will lower our volume because there are those who are in mosque and y will lower their volume on sunday because we are in church just a example because respect is forge in understanding of one another and thats what makes it nice to live with each other . I liked how you two watched this movie and got to understand it , it isnt accurate but it gives one a chance to get to know how they lived together thats all we need to do which is respect to all .
When Saladin said nothing and everything I think meant to the rest of the world it was nothing but a city and land. To Saladin it was everything to him and to his people.
I believe Orlando Bloom said “our prayers,” not “operas.”
The part when his father slaps him when making him a knight and Balian slapping the young man later when doing the same thing is a real thing from history.
When someone was made made a knight the would kneel in front of the King or Noblemen who knighting them, they would make a path to protect the weak and women and defend the Church. They then would be given a new sword, a belt with the scabbard (the sheath for the swodd)that the sword would be held in when not in use and would have silver spurs attached to their boots(spurs are used to prick the sides of the horse when riding to go faster). Then the person performing the Ceremony would slap the new Knight across the face an tell him let that be he last time someone hits no without him hitting them back. In the 16th century this was slowly changed to tapping the new Knight on each shoulder with the blade of a sword which is something still done by the English King when making someone a Knight which is now used as a way to honour someone who has done service to the country
The knights in the white with red crosses are the Knights Templar. They are warrior "monks". They grew powerful in Europe during the crusades by creating the first banking system. Their job was to protect the pilgrims during their travels to the Holy Land. The ones in the black with white crosses are the Knights Hospitalars. They were responsible for protecting the pilgrims and setting up hospitals throughout the Holy Land. They were 2 of the 3 warrior branches in the Roman Church. The third branch was the Teutonic Knights. This movie portrays the Knights Templar as the bad guys but during the crusades, they were considered to be the "Special Forces" of the ancient world. They were not permitted to surrender.
You two look young, which is a gift you should be proud of. It is important to recognize that when this movie was made the US was involved in the "Global War on Terrorism" which many radicals on both sides unfortunately viewed as "Christians vs Muslims". This movie that depicted the "2nd Crusades" as a more complex scenario with good guys and bad guys on both sides was a very important challenge to this thinking, at least from the American perspective.
This movie really did mark a time where American's started to recognize both that their "enemies" were more complex than they had initially given credit and also that they themselves and their allies were prone to the same dangers of extremism that they had previously defined their enemies by. Likewise, it is very refreshing to see two young men like yourselves so open to these complexities but steadfast in your pursuit of peace, mutual prosperity, and spiritual "Hanafiyyah". Well done to you two for both opening yourself beyond the immediate world around you while also being true & authentic to yourselves.
From the US as a non-muslim that more extreme Muslims would consider "kafir" because I have read the Quran and not taken Shahada, I hope that you can appreciate that I think you two seem two be high-quality young men despite that difference. And if I were a gambling man, I would bet that you two would be humble enough to take that as a genuine compliment. Well done, gentlemen. Keep up the great work!
The soldiers in white and red are British
The soldiers in black and white are from Germany (HRE)
The soldiers in blue are Francia (france)
one of my fav movie
54:44 They completely missed the miracle of Balian speaking with God in the form of the Hospitaler Knight buddy (don't remember the name xD)
Good choice picking the Director's Cut rather than the Theatrical, it's a much better story.
Even as an athiest I can appreciate religion bringing out the best in people rather than the worse. History is important, may these historical site remain protected in perpetuity.
as far as can tell in recorded history from before even chrisindom or islam, even back to the bronze age there have always been 2 types of people. ones who understand people are people no matter where they come from and ones who are afraid or use fear to divide us from each other.
I’ve always wanted to see this movie but I hope you guys watched the extended cut and not the theatrical. Everyone says the extended cut is superior.
yes we did
@@HABIBIBROTHERS717 Awesome! Now I need to finally watch this movie so I can watch your reaction 😄
The King of England at the end, I believe, would have been Richard the Lionheart.
in history no one killed Saladin sister its just an idea of the movie
You should consider leaving subtitles on. It actually helps the viewer. Good job tho. Loved the reaction
they do show his face the King had the lepre the condition in wich you meat rot while you are still alive. And the kid found ut he got it. Also, later on the flamed rocks where covered in a melange f gudron and sticky petrol (roman knew it as petra oleum (oil of stone).you could also use oil. WHen it landed the sticky flamed would stay here and keep the flampes going
Richard II “The Lionheart” of England and Salah ad-Din fought each other for many years and their rivalry is the stuff of legend. Definitely recommend you guys read into their rivalry if you’re interested.
What is Jerusalem worth?
From a rational, materialistic, worldly perspective it certainly isn't worth hundreds of thousands dead people, it's simply another city in the middle of the desert (to exaggerate a bit). It is worth nothing.
But to those who believe in it, Jews, Christians, Muslims - to those it is the center of the world. It's the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. It is worth everything.
That's what Salah ad-Din is saying: As a ruler, a military leader, a commander, a King - it is worth nothing to him.
As a Believer it is worth everything.
After a hundred years in the Holy Land the the Franks of Outremer had adopted many local customs: local dress was more practical.
It ain't over yet!-Richard The Lionheart
A romance about a broken heart and girls ... plus a bit of history. The blacksmith has visions, the princess didn't go back to France with Balian, she stayed with her humiliated husband! Hope you watched the Director's Cut. That one friendly knight was an angel.
both sides have their extremists to this day, and the small minorities end up causing wars when given too much power... The story of Baldwin the 4th, a leper king as he was called, and Saladin is true, and after Baldwin's death war broke out again and Saladin ended up conquering Jerusalem. Guy of Lusignan, dude with long black hair, was also a real historical figure who married Baldwiw's sister.
Amazing reaction on an amazing movie. It clearly shows the reality of that time from both perspectives. How there were good men and evil men. Btw Templars - the ones wearing white with the red cross were also Crusaders. Crusader means someone who took upon themselves the holy crusade to participate in the military expeditions to the Holy Land, but the knights were separated in different orders therefore the different colors.
And the saying at the end is so true: Nearly a thousand years later, peace in the Kingdom of Heaven remains elusive.
P.S. Oh and the scene where one of the Templars cuts a man almost in half with his sword is realistic. Templar's sword can cut a man in half in one strike.