6:47 nobody in India buys this. Literally 2 weeks ago Quetta mein bomb tha. please don't ask India to visit it'll be a nightmare for your security guys. If you think its solved then let Gambhir openly support Israel and secure his visit? can Pak afford this? naah. so lets be real security is the real threat.
6:58 this attitude of BJP wink wink nudge nudge fascism is the root cause of distrust. You call our democratically elected leader as fascist but fail to recognize UN designated terrorists in Pakistan. waah kya hypocrisy hai. Why not nudge Pak ministers to arrest & give back terrorists released from India under a hijacked plane.
What wrong did they say? It is a fact. Look at what they are doing to Shreyas Iyer for his 'disrespect' to the Supreme leader. Wasn't included in the T20 WC squad. He's not playing in either test or T20 (going on in SA). What else is fascism except this?
@mrgyani lmfao you think Iyer got dropped for not shaking hands with PM 😂😂 He played Tests right after WC and was dropped due to poor form. Same happened with Ishan Kishan his family is pro BJP
@@govuxyz bad form? Lol.. Iyer is one of India's top 3 players in T20. Has stats better than Pant in every metric in both T20 and ODI. Pant vs Iyer ODI Matches 27 vs 57 average 33.5 vs 47.5 HS 125 vs 128 50s 5 vs 18 100s 1 vs 5 T20 Matches 66 vs 46 Average 23.2 vs 30.6 SR 127.3 vs 135.8 HS 65 vs 74 50s 3 vs 8 100s 0 vs 0 There is not a single metric in which Pant is better than Iyer. Despite this, despite stellar performance in 2023 ODI WC, he was dropped for T20 WC. And now isn't even in SA tour. No reason except what I stated above.
@mrgyani lmfao bro are you serious 😂 you think Iyer is better than Pant? Pant was selected because he was lefty + wk. Iyer got exposed against pace and bounce. Iyer and Pant both went to Aus in 2020-21, 1 guys was backup keeper ended up playing one of all time test inning the other guy was called out against short ball then said he doesn't care and thinks it great of ausies bowl short- then got out to short ball. Iyer was treated harsh because of his attitude towards domestic- also he is GG's fav and will make his way back but don't say because he didn't shake hands with PM. That is so stupid - you seem genuine guy into cricket. Iyer plays 4-5 in T20s and we already have better right handers in the team.
You guys do realize that it was the Congress that stopped cricket bw Ind and Pak post Mumbai Attacks, which tells us that it's the Indian state policy and not BJP or Congress. We work under a constitution and our systems our very strong, please dont assume our systems and constitution as a "piece of paper to be thrown in the dustbin" as said by Musharraf.
Stupidity at its best. If Pakistan cannot hold Champions Trophy they are doomed. It will be a financial disaster for Pakistan. Poor fellows are living in fools paradise😅😅😅😅😅
As an Indian cricket team fan i would've loved to watch IndvsPak in lahore and hopefully us to win tournament in pak which has been something agreed between masses but BJP just almost lost a national election so for them to ease up to pak will be the show of weakness But first we have to understand that it's political now, the PCB and BCCI as mentioned by both of you are politically influenced so we need to understand the current dynamics of indian politics and history of pak India relation in this regard earlier this year when indian election were being held BJP tried to appease to everyone and in that they lost so many seats that the current ruling party can't take the risk of upsetting the core voter But first of all India didn't denied on the basis of security threat, it's more of a diplomatic issue and that will be the reason BCCI will provide to PCB which is legally acceptable But still I would like to come talk about the security topic Comparing security of other teams vs Indian teams simply doesn't makes sense 26/11 didn't happened in Canberra or Yorkshire or in dhaka it happened in Mumbai 2008, since then cricket between 2 countries have been damaged severely yes other indian teams too went to pak for other sports participation but do u know even 1 player's name from that sports or team ? everyone knows even the name of the wives of indian cricket players so the threat perception will be real additionally adding to the points I made about BJP at the start, this year there have been a surge in small terror attacks, which even confirmed by some Pakistan security experts that Pak army is opening new batches of camps but this time with afghan war veterans and retired armed forces personnel hence a small rise in casualties on indian side aswell also adding up to it is attacks on pilgrimage this year which caused a huge uproar but because BJP remained silent on most of these topics to show themselves as moderates they lost there core voter so expecting from the current GOI to move forward in relations with Pakistan with all of this things keeping in mind + also the history of betrayal ( 1999 kargil war after Vajpayee visit to Pakistan and minar-e-pakistan, 2014-15 modi and nawaz sharif friendship followed on by terror attacks in 2016/19 ) all of this thing makes the core voter of BJP not comfortable cozing up again with Pakistan's political establishment which doesn't holds any real power and when GOI did it was followed on by war and terror attacks resulting the relations to suffer again for political and ideological benefit of pak's establishment These are not my personal views but something objective pointers from India's side for the reason of bad relations with pak there are a lot more though but ik from a pakistani's perspective you might have a lot from your side too But as you can see the direct involvement of politics in both pak and India as a cricket fan no one mind's India touring to Pakistan but the air here isn't in the direction where u can say such things openly even the journalists are not particularly scared but all of them understand the severity of situation my personal views are that i don't see India coming to pak, not something i wished for but something which is very likely to happen either it's going to hybrid which in result might cause only political setback as PCB will still get the allocated budget amount covering the cost of pakistan's stadium upgradations but if the tournies are held outside then PCB have to suffer hude economical setback as reported by many pakistan's sports journalist that PCB is lacking funds to even pay there domestic players i hope all of this bullshit someday for god's sake ends and we can not only watch cricket in peace but also exist too 💙
As good as these two are when it comes to pakistan politics, they are equally as bad when it comes to looking at India's concerns. I mean look at Ahmer, he calls India refusing to play with pak wink wink nudge nudge with fascism. For someone to be so concerned about palestine, to simply call not playing with a hostile nation fascism is beyond stupid. And it's not like he isn't aware of any of the concerns, he is "journalist", he is not the kind who is well liked by military establishment, so he has to keep an eye on politics outside of cricket too, there is no way he doesn't know about increased attacks inside India, or PCB chairman's remark about India being a enemy nation. But he throws all that aside because he can't get to watch Pak team spanked in Lahore again by bois in blue.
I think your point are valid but then why play the game of giving Pakistan a sole tournement to host when you have zero intention to go there. It's a bizarre political move which is annoying as a cricket fan.
Thanks guys for the balanced discussion … while I do think that India is cutting its nose to spite its face … the larger picture from a India perspective is one of constant disappointment from the PAK govt and ir establishment … every time we have started a peace process we have been waylaid starting with Vajoayee to ManMohan singh to even Modi when he started afresh … the brutality of MUmbai attacks never goes away ( me being a Mumbaite ) the perpetrators are granted Asylum in PAK … if you google Kashmir news you will see a constant news of activities resulting in deaths as recent as the last 4 weeks … one might say Tis local but who supplies the arms .. who funds the activities ?? Having said the above I think the Govt of India is constrained by what justification it will give. To the population … and therein lies the problem … inshallah hopefully the next generation will deal with this better … PS: atleast you aren’t weirdly abusive like Tanveer Ahmed or Majid Bhatti who accused India of some blasts in PAK … wonder why .. maybe just journalistic eyeballs … Any-case let’s meet during the BGT
Thank you for the very thoughtful comment. I totally understand the trauma of witnessing an attack like 26/11 and how that can never go away. Having lived with terrorism ourselves, we know how senseless violence is, and how nothing can ever make up for it. If we turn to cricket, the issue is that in the aftermath, India never refused to play Pakistan completely. While bilateral ties were largely ended, the teams kept playing in ICC events, where we have had a history of teams forfeiting matches to make a political statement. Since then, when it comes to issues like Pakistanis not selected in the IPL, the BCCI has often denied that there was an official anti-Pakistan policy. The BCCI hasn't clearly come on the record to complain about, say asylum given to terrorists etc. The most it has said is that it will take instructions from the government. If tomorrow the BCCI says that the Indian government has forbidden it to travel because of XYZ reasons, then everyone has a chance to think about what those reasons are and react accordingly. Right now, the lack of clarity makes it hard to truly say what is the main issue, and if that issue goes back to 26/11, why it wasn't brought up previously.
@ thanks for the response … just adding that the issues we have has been brought forth many times in bilateral talks and on global forums … like for example asking for deportation of offenders like Dawood and the Mumbai attack handlers … whose calls were intercepted …. So many such outfits leaders reside in …: any-case this is never ending … love your PCast :.. keep the good work going … as usual I will be betting against India … 🤣 next time am in Sydney will message here … i come looking for tech talent … my best friend is Someone who heads architecture at CUSCAL …
6:47 nobody in India buys this. Literally 2 weeks ago Quetta mein bomb tha. please don't ask India to visit it'll be a nightmare for your security guys. If you think its solved then let Gambhir openly support Israel and secure his visit? can Pak afford this? naah. so lets be real security is the real threat.
6:58 this attitude of BJP wink wink nudge nudge fascism is the root cause of distrust. You call our democratically elected leader as fascist but fail to recognize UN designated terrorists in Pakistan. waah kya hypocrisy hai. Why not nudge Pak ministers to arrest & give back terrorists released from India under a hijacked plane.
What wrong did they say? It is a fact.
Look at what they are doing to Shreyas Iyer for his 'disrespect' to the Supreme leader. Wasn't included in the T20 WC squad. He's not playing in either test or T20 (going on in SA).
What else is fascism except this?
@mrgyani lmfao you think Iyer got dropped for not shaking hands with PM 😂😂
He played Tests right after WC and was dropped due to poor form. Same happened with Ishan Kishan his family is pro BJP
@mrgyani look at his IPL stats too and recent Ranji games
@@govuxyz bad form? Lol.. Iyer is one of India's top 3 players in T20. Has stats better than Pant in every metric in both T20 and ODI.
Pant vs Iyer
ODI
Matches 27 vs 57
average 33.5 vs 47.5
HS 125 vs 128
50s 5 vs 18
100s 1 vs 5
T20
Matches 66 vs 46
Average 23.2 vs 30.6
SR 127.3 vs 135.8
HS 65 vs 74
50s 3 vs 8
100s 0 vs 0
There is not a single metric in which Pant is better than Iyer. Despite this, despite stellar performance in 2023 ODI WC, he was dropped for T20 WC.
And now isn't even in SA tour.
No reason except what I stated above.
@mrgyani lmfao bro are you serious 😂 you think Iyer is better than Pant? Pant was selected because he was lefty + wk. Iyer got exposed against pace and bounce. Iyer and Pant both went to Aus in 2020-21, 1 guys was backup keeper ended up playing one of all time test inning the other guy was called out against short ball then said he doesn't care and thinks it great of ausies bowl short- then got out to short ball.
Iyer was treated harsh because of his attitude towards domestic- also he is GG's fav and will make his way back but don't say because he didn't shake hands with PM. That is so stupid - you seem genuine guy into cricket.
Iyer plays 4-5 in T20s and we already have better right handers in the team.
These jokers are not aware that Star Tv is being taken over by Ambani😅😅😅😅😅Comedy pieces so ignorant😅😅😅
You guys do realize that it was the Congress that stopped cricket bw Ind and Pak post Mumbai Attacks, which tells us that it's the Indian state policy and not BJP or Congress. We work under a constitution and our systems our very strong, please dont assume our systems and constitution as a "piece of paper to be thrown in the dustbin" as said by Musharraf.
Just simply abandon the hosting if India's ego wins. We can't keep conceding every freaking time!
there is no way we will be sending our team to Pakistan. Its obviously not safe and we ain't risking anything when we basically run the sport.
keep it up guys . love the tameez wala content no shouting no dodgy thumbnails.
Stupidity at its best. If Pakistan cannot hold Champions Trophy they are doomed. It will be a financial disaster for Pakistan. Poor fellows are living in fools paradise😅😅😅😅😅
On a lighter note I think India is scared to come to Pakistan cause they are afraid of what Aleem Dar will do the pitches 🤣
PCB saying absolutely not to BCCI means Nazuk mor for ICC!
We do love champions trophy, mate
As an Indian cricket team fan i would've loved to watch IndvsPak in lahore and hopefully us to win tournament in pak which has been something agreed between masses but BJP just almost lost a national election so for them to ease up to pak will be the show of weakness
But first we have to understand that it's political now, the PCB and BCCI as mentioned by both of you are politically influenced so we need to understand the current dynamics of indian politics and history of pak India relation in this regard
earlier this year when indian election were being held
BJP tried to appease to everyone and in that they lost so many seats that the current ruling party can't take the risk of upsetting the core voter
But first of all India didn't denied on the basis of security threat, it's more of a diplomatic issue and that will be the reason BCCI will provide to PCB which is legally acceptable
But still I would like to come talk about the security topic
Comparing security of other teams vs Indian teams simply doesn't makes sense
26/11 didn't happened in Canberra or Yorkshire or in dhaka it happened in Mumbai 2008, since then cricket between 2 countries have been damaged severely
yes other indian teams too went to pak for other sports participation but do u know even 1 player's name from that sports or team ?
everyone knows even the name of the wives of indian cricket players
so the threat perception will be real
additionally adding to the points I made about BJP at the start,
this year there have been a surge in small terror attacks, which even confirmed by some Pakistan security experts that Pak army is opening new batches of camps but this time with afghan war veterans and retired armed forces personnel hence a small rise in casualties on indian side aswell
also adding up to it is attacks on pilgrimage this year which caused a huge uproar
but because BJP remained silent on most of these topics to show themselves as moderates they lost there core voter
so expecting from the current GOI to move forward in relations with Pakistan with all of this things keeping in mind
+ also the history of betrayal ( 1999 kargil war after Vajpayee visit to Pakistan and minar-e-pakistan, 2014-15 modi and nawaz sharif friendship followed on by terror attacks in 2016/19 )
all of this thing makes the core voter of BJP not comfortable cozing up again with Pakistan's political establishment which doesn't holds any real power and when GOI did it was followed on by war and terror attacks resulting the relations to suffer again for political and ideological benefit of pak's establishment
These are not my personal views but something objective pointers from India's side for the reason of bad relations with pak there are a lot more though but ik from a pakistani's perspective you might have a lot from your side too
But as you can see the direct involvement of politics in both pak and India
as a cricket fan no one mind's India touring to Pakistan but the air here isn't in the direction where u can say such things openly even the journalists are not particularly scared but all of them understand the severity of situation
my personal views are that i don't see India coming to pak, not something i wished for but something which is very likely to happen
either it's going to hybrid which in result might cause only political setback as PCB will still get the allocated budget amount covering the cost of pakistan's stadium upgradations but if the tournies are held outside then PCB have to suffer hude economical setback as reported by many pakistan's sports journalist that PCB is lacking funds to even pay there domestic players
i hope all of this bullshit someday for god's sake ends and we can not only watch cricket in peace but also exist too
💙
As good as these two are when it comes to pakistan politics, they are equally as bad when it comes to looking at India's concerns. I mean look at Ahmer, he calls India refusing to play with pak wink wink nudge nudge with fascism. For someone to be so concerned about palestine, to simply call not playing with a hostile nation fascism is beyond stupid.
And it's not like he isn't aware of any of the concerns, he is "journalist", he is not the kind who is well liked by military establishment, so he has to keep an eye on politics outside of cricket too, there is no way he doesn't know about increased attacks inside India, or PCB chairman's remark about India being a enemy nation. But he throws all that aside because he can't get to watch Pak team spanked in Lahore again by bois in blue.
@@abhishek_beniwalCongress was fascist of yesterday, BJP is in that basket now. They hate Hindus. Any Hindu who speaks up is "fascist".
I think your point are valid but then why play the game of giving Pakistan a sole tournement to host when you have zero intention to go there. It's a bizarre political move which is annoying as a cricket fan.
Just do hybrid model everytime india or Pak is hosting from beginning.
You fools can only ball game
Thanks guys for the balanced discussion … while I do think that India is cutting its nose to spite its face … the larger picture from a India perspective is one of constant disappointment from the PAK govt and ir establishment … every time we have started a peace process we have been waylaid starting with Vajoayee to ManMohan singh to even Modi when he started afresh … the brutality of MUmbai attacks never goes away ( me being a Mumbaite ) the perpetrators are granted Asylum in PAK … if you google Kashmir news you will see a constant news of activities resulting in deaths as recent as the last 4 weeks … one might say Tis local but who supplies the arms .. who funds the activities ?? Having said the above I think the Govt of India is constrained by what justification it will give. To the population … and therein lies the problem … inshallah hopefully the next generation will deal with this better …
PS: atleast you aren’t weirdly abusive like Tanveer Ahmed or Majid Bhatti who accused India of some blasts in PAK … wonder why .. maybe just journalistic eyeballs … Any-case let’s meet during the BGT
Thank you for the very thoughtful comment. I totally understand the trauma of witnessing an attack like 26/11 and how that can never go away. Having lived with terrorism ourselves, we know how senseless violence is, and how nothing can ever make up for it.
If we turn to cricket, the issue is that in the aftermath, India never refused to play Pakistan completely. While bilateral ties were largely ended, the teams kept playing in ICC events, where we have had a history of teams forfeiting matches to make a political statement. Since then, when it comes to issues like Pakistanis not selected in the IPL, the BCCI has often denied that there was an official anti-Pakistan policy. The BCCI hasn't clearly come on the record to complain about, say asylum given to terrorists etc. The most it has said is that it will take instructions from the government. If tomorrow the BCCI says that the Indian government has forbidden it to travel because of XYZ reasons, then everyone has a chance to think about what those reasons are and react accordingly. Right now, the lack of clarity makes it hard to truly say what is the main issue, and if that issue goes back to 26/11, why it wasn't brought up previously.
@ thanks for the response … just adding that the issues we have has been brought forth many times in bilateral talks and on global forums … like for example asking for deportation of offenders like Dawood and the Mumbai attack handlers … whose calls were intercepted …. So many such outfits leaders reside in …: any-case this is never ending … love your PCast :.. keep the good work going … as usual I will be betting against India … 🤣 next time am in Sydney will message here … i come looking for tech talent … my best friend is Someone who heads architecture at CUSCAL …