Spot on, no extra cost if taking the card into your hand, only if you have upgraded Animals and are playing animal cards from the display to put into your zoo immediately.
I came here to say this too. I thought I was playing wrong. My understanding is that drawing cards is always free. But if I played an animal or sponsor card from my rep range that's when I pay the additional costs
Also at 1:15:00 when Lincoln plays the scarlet macaw, when the animal card has the partnership requirement/condition on the left it has to match with the animal's continent on the top right "Condition: have a partner zoo of the same continent" from the 'icon overview' which is the America's for the macaw and Lincoln's only partnership (at this point at least) is Europe.
I quote the rule from the 'icon overview' in my comment. You must have the matching partner zoo for an animal. It's only when it's on a sponsor card that any partnership is fine.
Exactly. This is one of the things you must remember from the rules and that are not that obvious. On an animal card, a "partner zoo" requirement means a partner zoo in the same continent that the animal is from (the icon on the upper left). It is thematic, but does not show on the card. It is the same thing as when the animal as an enclosure rock/water adjacency requirement, when the animal can also be put in an aviary or a reptile house. Those special enclosure must also respect the water/rock requirement, even if no symbol is showing on their symbol. Again, thematic, but not specified on the card.
1:01:47 Lincoln takes cards and one of the cards he gets is actually a base conservation card (has a green back). It’s not supposed to be in the deck with all the other cards
Megan, I caught it later off camera. It's a bummer because I was building to that card and when I realized it I was too far along for the card I ended up getting. Thanks for the note and for watching.-Lincoln
What a great game and great video!!! Loved Aaron's explanation... Just a quick remark on gameplay. At 2:08:05 Lincoln plays a kiosk, but puts it in an illegal location. According to Aaron's explanation it should have been at least 2 spaces away from the nearest other kiosk, but it is only 1space away ... Still excellent stuff…
I love this game! Some mistakes here and there, but also some mistakes we have been doing (so thank you) 😅 I could watch you guys for days and days 😁 this is my kind of tv entertainment. Thank you so much for the video!
Note at 2:43:45 when Lincoln snapped a card dusing the break, it should have been refilled immediatly. This would have made a difference to which cards were available for Aaron to Snap.
Lincol has ilegal placement of kiosk there, two of them are just one space away of each others. To many times someone forgot fill enclousure when animals was played, but it is a beast of the game so yeah, so much stuff to look on while you playing. But looks very good, thanks for playthrough.
1:42:00 Lincoln’s sponsor card is flipped, which allows for X level +1. Lincoln was at level 3, plus 1 = level 4. Therefore only one X was needed to make the sponsor level a level 5 not the two X’s spent.
When you draw from within your reputation range it is ALWAYS free. When you do it from your ungraded cards directly from the board is when you pay additional costs.
First I really enjoy watching most of the playthroughs on this channel. I do have a rules question. Around the 2:08 mark Lincoln builds a kiosk next to the pavilion, but is it actually a legal placement? It looks to be only two places away from the one already placed. Sorry if I'm incorrect or if it is corrected later in the video.
@@SaschaKleiber I usually watch videos on my TV which doesn't have seconds. So for you it would be somewhere around the 2 hour 8 minute mark. Sorry for the confusion.
Just to clarify there is no additional cost above that of paying the cost on the animal card for a card action, either non upgraded or up graded, or if you snap a card. The cost recorded on the folder next to available animals is only paid when you are doing an UPGRADED ANIMAL ACTION and placing the card on the board from those available ON THE BOARD within your reputation range. I only just realised this additIonal cost when I picked up the rule error in this video.
At 1:54:39 Nicky snapped when she could have just picked the card up and a couple of others from reputation range or the deck. The rules error that made you guys pay to draw cards from reputation range makes the game much harder.
This game is beautiful and lovely photos of animals and concepts like releasing into the wild, partner zoos, research etc but you need an app to keep track of the extra scoring and quite complicated to play. I don't think I could play it but great to see you guys play it always very entertaining. Not the sort of game for a quick dinner party!
Great video guys! Always great to see my favorite game on the table. One early mistake by Aaron: He played a stork that requires a European tag already in play, which he didn't have.
A three hour long GameNight video with an animal themed board game, sound awesome. Just gotten through the "How to play" part and the game seems intriguing.
I love how the glasses pop into place at 1:38:23 xD He even looks a bit spooked when it happens. Yet proceeds as though nothing happened. Thats so hilarious
at 1:37 the yellowy player built 2 3 size encloses but how was able to do this. when you build you can only build 1 thing of each size and not 2 of the same. unless he has a card that lets him do that ?
They custtom made those for us! They are really nice. We are discussing ideas for some custom branded stuff to do with Gamegenic. Thanks for the note and for watching.-Lincoln
1:41:56, Lincoln plays upgraded support action which already on 3X after adding two X tokens and played 5X power of support card on his hand. Although it's a legal move, he should have spent only 1 extra X token over there since with the upgraded support action, you can play X+1 power of card.
I really like watching episodes of GN! with these more complicated games. I get to easily pick up on how wrong I was playing the game before, ruleswise.
I'm so happy to be able to watch one of my favourite games played by my favourite game group. Thank you so much. A little question: is there a rule that lets you start the game with an x token? I can't seem to find it.
What fascinates me is that, you guys managed to finish the game in under 3 hours! My experience is: an hour and a half per player... analysis/paralysis...
Those are the Squire deck boxes from Gamegenic. You can see them here: boardgamegeekstore.com/collections/gamegenic/products/gamegenic-squire-100-xl . Thanks for the note and for watching. -Lincoln
They are always played for solo play and are optional for multiplayer; some people don’t like the take that negative interaction and can play the blue action instead.
1:06:10 Income for kiosk. You should only receive income for each different type of enclosure. If you have two size 2 next to a kiosk, you should only receive 1 income not two.
Paul, I believe that is incorrect. You can have more than one of the same type of building and collect income. There was a discussion previously in the comments about this. Thanks for the note and for watching. -Lincoln
I had read this differently. See page 18 of the rule book under the break sea room - rule 5b. I read this as each unique building. This may be referring to the sponsor building and such. There is then a comma then states occupied standard enclosures. I now see it as you describe. Thanks for the comment back.
3:07:15 I believe what Nikki says here is perfect. Trying to keep track of everything that compounds and the rules is what is intriguing about this game. It provides constant communication with each other which is a draw to this game for me. Games are suppose to provide interaction and conversation.
Funny that there are different rules for counting victory points. In my rulebook is says "If blue has 16 conservation points; the little white number in that space is 24, and blue has 80 appeal then blues total score is (24+80=) 104 victory points"
Just one little clarification about the game setup so i dont make any mistakes... they all started with an X token in their board with the 25 money, but in the rulebook doesnt say anything about starting with an X token... Can someone tell me if there is something about it in the rulebook and where it is?
Why only one person took the 1 conversation point bonus for supporting projects and then so late in the game? I would say this is maybe the strongest bonus on those beginner maps.... Anyway great playthrough.
hi what a great video as always when you guys play in. I've been thinking for a long time about buying the Ark Nova game but I want to be more sure it's worth the money as it costs quite a bit. Which is perfectly fine as it is really well done. My insecurity to buy is also that it is incredibly complicated and it makes me afraid that I won't be able to get through it.. I have a question, I see you protect your ark nova game cards with plastic pockets, what exactly are these? size, type, manufacturer's brand and where you bought them ? thanks in advance best regarss Marie from Sweden
@marieahlberg5158 those are Gamegenic Matte sleeves. They are pretty widely available. You need 6 packs of the Gray sleeves. Thanks so much for the kind words and for watching. -Lincoln
Sponsor action is in order to play the blue banner Sponsor cards. (or, if lacking a card, to take money and move break token) Association action is putting a meeple onto the sideboard and doing one of the qualifying actions over there
You are correct. Aaron had played this once before and believes he might have been taught that during that play. Thanks for the note and for watching.-Lincoln
I bought this game a year ago but I never got around to learn and play it…. Everytime I want to learn it…. it feels clunky and not fun. Thats why I watch this video but after 35 minutes of learning rules and forgetting every rule that Aaron taught before I don‘t feel motivated enough to watch it further 😂
Warning to those new to this game…Do not use this video as a how to play. Some rules were explained wrong. For the most part it’s right, but keep in mind there are rules that were explained wrong.
@@XpVersusVistaThat's not true. Depends on if you are playing friendly mode or not. If you are, in all such cards you use/resolve the solo mode option
I love everything about this game except for the awful royalty free pictures on the cards. I wish they would have taken the time for some hand drawn art like in In the Footsteps of Darwin or Wingspan.
@@papav3r You are right, I read the rules as “unique building” and then a list of the buildings, not connecting in my brain that unique buildings are the actual “unique buildings”. I’ve been handicapping myself! Thanks for the correction.
Wait we have been playing that the buildings need to be unique as well, so if there were 2 2-hex enclosures next to a kiosk you would only get 1 money. What is the word unique in the rules there then?
@@MerlinsManor It’s for those colored tiles that are not animal enclosures, like the aquarium or playground; they are so named in the components’ section of the rule book. I personally would not have started off that part of the rules with “kiosks score for every unique building…”, as it could lead to a confusion like we encountered. As well, I would italicize or bold each component keyword so that it triggers the reader to know we are talking about a specific piece in the game. But, I have ADHD, so reading things as they are meant to be read gets lost with me sometimes.
I don't think drawing cards from your reputation range incurs an additional cost; You only pay extra when playing cards from the reputation range.
I agree. Just checked the rules.
@@wingspangirl Yup. The extra cost is just to play directly from the display.
Spot on, no extra cost if taking the card into your hand, only if you have upgraded Animals and are playing animal cards from the display to put into your zoo immediately.
Indeed that would make taking cards at the end of the track prohibitively expensive.
I came here to say this too. I thought I was playing wrong. My understanding is that drawing cards is always free. But if I played an animal or sponsor card from my rep range that's when I pay the additional costs
Also at 1:15:00 when Lincoln plays the scarlet macaw, when the animal card has the partnership requirement/condition on the left it has to match with the animal's continent on the top right "Condition: have a partner zoo of the same continent" from the 'icon overview' which is the America's for the macaw and Lincoln's only partnership (at this point at least) is Europe.
I believe the condition is to have any partner zoo, which he did have at the time.
I quote the rule from the 'icon overview' in my comment. You must have the matching partner zoo for an animal. It's only when it's on a sponsor card that any partnership is fine.
Exactly. This is one of the things you must remember from the rules and that are not that obvious. On an animal card, a "partner zoo" requirement means a partner zoo in the same continent that the animal is from (the icon on the upper left). It is thematic, but does not show on the card. It is the same thing as when the animal as an enclosure rock/water adjacency requirement, when the animal can also be put in an aviary or a reptile house. Those special enclosure must also respect the water/rock requirement, even if no symbol is showing on their symbol. Again, thematic, but not specified on the card.
I've played this game several times but I'll still watch this whole playthrough :)
That's me after getting this game this week and playing Saturday and Sunday, and now watching this today lol
1:01:47 Lincoln takes cards and one of the cards he gets is actually a base conservation card (has a green back). It’s not supposed to be in the deck with all the other cards
Megan, I caught it later off camera. It's a bummer because I was building to that card and when I realized it I was too far along for the card I ended up getting. Thanks for the note and for watching.-Lincoln
I'm SO happy you guys posted this game! Been hoping you would do a game night of it!
Aaron did a fantastic job with the rules teach!
I've played this game a couple of times in the past but still enjoyed watching the video and it helped clear up a couple of rules that I'd missed!
This is one I was really hoping for! Thank you guys, it's always a pleasure watching you play ❤️
What a great game and great video!!! Loved Aaron's explanation... Just a quick remark on gameplay. At 2:08:05 Lincoln plays a kiosk, but puts it in an illegal location. According to Aaron's explanation it should have been at least 2 spaces away from the nearest other kiosk, but it is only 1space away ... Still excellent stuff…
Timestamp is wrong.
@@SaschaKleiber changed it... Thanks for the heads-up
I love this game! Some mistakes here and there, but also some mistakes we have been doing (so thank you) 😅 I could watch you guys for days and days 😁 this is my kind of tv entertainment. Thank you so much for the video!
Aaron played the stork at 1:31:10 which requires a Europe icon and didnt have any in his zoo.
Correct. This card should not have been allowed since the card prerequisite was to has this icon in your zoo, which he did not have at the time.
Note at 2:43:45 when Lincoln snapped a card dusing the break, it should have been refilled immediatly. This would have made a difference to which cards were available for Aaron to Snap.
Finally you made this playthrough! I could not wait to see you guys playing. 🥰
This looks amazing. And it also looks like nobody else in my house would play it with me, LOL.
Excellent timing. I hope to play this for the first time tomorrow!
Lincol has ilegal placement of kiosk there, two of them are just one space away of each others. To many times someone forgot fill enclousure when animals was played, but it is a beast of the game so yeah, so much stuff to look on while you playing. But looks very good, thanks for playthrough.
I have been waiting for you guys to play this! Glad Aaron was here to teach it!
1:42:00
Lincoln’s sponsor card is flipped, which allows for X level +1. Lincoln was at level 3, plus 1 = level 4. Therefore only one X was needed to make the sponsor level a level 5 not the two X’s spent.
I love the lengthy game!! Thank you for posting this!
Yes! I cannot wait to see you all play. I adore this game.
When you draw from within your reputation range it is ALWAYS free. When you do it from your ungraded cards directly from the board is when you pay additional costs.
That was a great teach and playthrough. It really helped me follow the game. Thanks!
25:00 It is also worth mentioning that you can only get each continent once. So you can't get two european partner zoos for an even better cost bonus.
First I really enjoy watching most of the playthroughs on this channel. I do have a rules question. Around the 2:08 mark Lincoln builds a kiosk next to the pavilion, but is it actually a legal placement? It looks to be only two places away from the one already placed. Sorry if I'm incorrect or if it is corrected later in the video.
It's still there an hour later so it looks like we just never caught it! Good eye.
at 2:08 they are still in the how to play part?
@@SaschaKleiber I usually watch videos on my
TV which doesn't have seconds. So for you it would be somewhere around the 2 hour 8 minute mark. Sorry for the confusion.
Yep, too close. But not bad at all overall for first time playing...
Well, ever since those *hints* during the streams, I have been waiting patiently. Mostly patiently. Okay, impatiently, you win!
Just to clarify there is no additional cost above that of paying the cost on the animal card for a card action, either non upgraded or up graded, or if you snap a card. The cost recorded on the folder next to available animals is only paid when you are doing an UPGRADED ANIMAL ACTION and placing the card on the board from those available ON THE BOARD within your reputation range. I only just realised this additIonal cost when I picked up the rule error in this video.
Just to clarify further the cost of the animal is only paid on the ANIMAL ACTION.
Aaron is my fave game teacher!
Thank you! I was waiting for you to play this game!
At 1:54:39 Nicky snapped when she could have just picked the card up and a couple of others from reputation range or the deck. The rules error that made you guys pay to draw cards from reputation range makes the game much harder.
This game is beautiful and lovely photos of animals and concepts like releasing into the wild, partner zoos, research etc but you need an app to keep track of the extra scoring and quite complicated to play. I don't think I could play it but great to see you guys play it always very entertaining. Not the sort of game for a quick dinner party!
Bravo Aaron! 🇮🇹
Wauw damn never been so fast :O
Love the game!!!
Great video guys! Always great to see my favorite game on the table. One early mistake by Aaron: He played a stork that requires a European tag already in play, which he didn't have.
A three hour long GameNight video with an animal themed board game, sound awesome. Just gotten through the "How to play" part and the game seems intriguing.
Wait, that’s a notebook icon? I always saw it as half a film reel and never knew why 😂 Notebooks make more sense…I can see that as a ring binding now
Omg!!! thank you guys for playing this amazing game!!!
Gah! I was invited to play this on BGA, and it looks pretty frightening. This video is extraordinarily helpful. Thank You!
Ciao from italy! Nice shirt 👍
I love how the glasses pop into place at 1:38:23 xD He even looks a bit spooked when it happens. Yet proceeds as though nothing happened. Thats so hilarious
It was worth watching this whole video just for "Emu Philips". Good job, Lincoln.
at 1:37 the yellowy player built 2 3 size encloses but how was able to do this. when you build you can only build 1 thing of each size and not 2 of the same. unless he has a card that lets him do that ?
FYI In the game's FAQ when multiple people are snapping during a break, the display replenishes between each player.
Haven't played multi-player yet, but good to know
Was looking for this, too. Definitely a good thing to know, and makes sense, too.
Oh, I just noticed the BGG logos on the Gamegenic card holders. Neat! Did they do that special for you, or did you do it after-market?
They custtom made those for us! They are really nice. We are discussing ideas for some custom branded stuff to do with Gamegenic. Thanks for the note and for watching.-Lincoln
at 2:45 how did yellow do 2 animal actions at lvl 2 from a card that not been up graded ?
1:41:56, Lincoln plays upgraded support action which already on 3X after adding two X tokens and played 5X power of support card on his hand. Although it's a legal move, he should have spent only 1 extra X token over there since with the upgraded support action, you can play X+1 power of card.
I really like watching episodes of GN! with these more complicated games. I get to easily pick up on how wrong I was playing the game before, ruleswise.
Nice playthrough, guys! This game really sings at three. One of my favorites at the moment. Can´t wait for the expansion...
2:08:05 kiosk placed incorrectly
I'm so happy to be able to watch one of my favourite games played by my favourite game group. Thank you so much. A little question: is there a rule that lets you start the game with an x token? I can't seem to find it.
I really thought there was, but looking over the setup again it appears I was mistaken.
1:46:09 Be careful, there's a floating piece of board!
1:46:10 What is Nikki thinking about?
Great episode and game, the only thing that would have made it better is Dave.
What fascinates me is that, you guys managed to finish the game in under 3 hours! My experience is: an hour and a half per player... analysis/paralysis...
Where can I buy the deck holders from that you guys use in this video! Awesome video by the way. Ark Nova is my favourite!
They look like "Squire" boxes from GameGenic
Where can I find one of those deck holders? Thanks for the video!
Those are the Squire deck boxes from Gamegenic. You can see them here: boardgamegeekstore.com/collections/gamegenic/products/gamegenic-squire-100-xl . Thanks for the note and for watching. -Lincoln
Awesome! I love this game. I do think the blue band at the bottom of some animal cards is only used in the solo variant. Is that correct?
They are always played for solo play and are optional for multiplayer; some people don’t like the take that negative interaction and can play the blue action instead.
@@aaronmoore54 I never realized they were optional for multiplayer. That’s cool! I’ll have to try it out. Thanks!
No you can play it with multiplayer
much prefer learning and watching games i have heard of like this :)
1:06:10
Income for kiosk. You should only receive income for each different type of enclosure.
If you have two size 2 next to a kiosk, you should only receive 1 income not two.
Paul, I believe that is incorrect. You can have more than one of the same type of building and collect income. There was a discussion previously in the comments about this. Thanks for the note and for watching. -Lincoln
I had read this differently.
See page 18 of the rule book under the break sea room - rule 5b.
I read this as each unique building. This may be referring to the sponsor building and such. There is then a comma then states occupied standard enclosures.
I now see it as you describe. Thanks for the comment back.
3:07:15
I believe what Nikki says here is perfect. Trying to keep track of everything that compounds and the rules is what is intriguing about this game. It provides constant communication with each other which is a draw to this game for me. Games are suppose to provide interaction and conversation.
Yey! Luv this game
1:50:45 Platypus? NO! It will never eat a nerb! >=(
Great game, have this and TM, still prefer TM.
Funny that there are different rules for counting victory points. In my rulebook is says "If blue has 16 conservation points; the little white number in that space is 24, and blue has 80 appeal then blues total score is (24+80=) 104 victory points"
Platypus mostly eat fresh water shellfish. They are not herbivores.
My zoo only ended up with one dog in it. It was a a Shitzu...
What kind of deck/draw boxes are those?
Hey Lincoln, where do you get your non-hockey hockey jerseys from?
Scott, so far I have bought them all from Geeky Jerseys. I love their stuff and have far too many. Thanks for the note and for watching. -Lincoln
@@boardgamegeek Thanks! I’ll check them out!
I have played this game many times and have never moved an upgraded card to the 1 slot. I did not find this rule in the book.
Just one little clarification about the game setup so i dont make any mistakes... they all started with an X token in their board with the 25 money, but in the rulebook doesnt say anything about starting with an X token...
Can someone tell me if there is something about it in the rulebook and where it is?
You are not supposed to start with an X-token.
Why only one person took the 1 conversation point bonus for supporting projects and then so late in the game? I would say this is maybe the strongest bonus on those beginner maps....
Anyway great playthrough.
Can anyone point me in the direction of where to get a deck holder like that please
Those are from Gamegenic, the BGG store has them here: Sidekick XL: bit.ly/48u9if2 Thanks for watching.-Lincoln
hi what a great video as always when you guys play in. I've been thinking for a long time about buying the Ark Nova game but I want to be more sure it's worth the money as it costs quite a bit. Which is perfectly fine as it is really well done. My insecurity to buy is also that it is incredibly complicated and it makes me afraid that I won't be able to get through it.. I have a question, I see you protect your ark nova game cards with plastic pockets, what exactly are these? size, type, manufacturer's brand and where you bought them ? thanks in advance best regarss Marie from Sweden
@marieahlberg5158 those are Gamegenic Matte sleeves. They are pretty widely available. You need 6 packs of the Gray sleeves. Thanks so much for the kind words and for watching. -Lincoln
Emu is ee-myew not emoo. I love this game, well done on giving it a try.
Well, came off alright in the end
I played St. Petersburg with my friends yesterday. Same kind of tense game with only 10% of rules and material.
What shirt is Lincoln wearing? I absolutely love it!!
Brwkk, that is a Geeky Jerseys shirt "Ugly Spuds". I love their jerseys and own far too many! Thanks for the note and for watching.-Lincoln
@@boardgamegeek thanks a ton for the reply 🙏🙏
Fantastic game. Wish it was a tad shorter on play time.
@51:30 dooby dooby do bah, dooby dooby doo bah
The differene between Sponsorship and Association actions to me is confusing.
Sponsor action is in order to play the blue banner Sponsor cards. (or, if lacking a card, to take money and move break token)
Association action is putting a meeple onto the sideboard and doing one of the qualifying actions over there
I dont think you start with an X token
You are correct. Aaron had played this once before and believes he might have been taught that during that play. Thanks for the note and for watching.-Lincoln
Lincoln - how did you resist commenting on animals with "six appeal"?!?
I bought this game a year ago but I never got around to learn and play it…. Everytime I want to learn it…. it feels clunky and not fun. Thats why I watch this video but after 35 minutes of learning rules and forgetting every rule that Aaron taught before I don‘t feel motivated enough to watch it further 😂
Warning to those new to this game…Do not use this video as a how to play. Some rules were explained wrong. For the most part it’s right, but keep in mind there are rules that were explained wrong.
Wow, that comment doesn't help at all. Maybe you should also mention WHICH rules?
@@SaschaKleiber many people in the comments already listed them.
@@SaschaKleiberwarning people is more than enough, she has no obligation to correct a 40 minutes teach in the comments 😂
The European natter (snake) thing for example: that "take an extra action" is only for solo play.
@@XpVersusVistaThat's not true. Depends on if you are playing friendly mode or not. If you are, in all such cards you use/resolve the solo mode option
wait so you can just use a sponsor to get a special enclosure? well this changes everything
Six sides is not a pentagon
I've always wanted to try this out, but man, 40+ mins teach has my eyes glazing over lol
Many more board games out there out of my erea. I like the new KIOTE stores online.
I love everything about this game except for the awful royalty free pictures on the cards. I wish they would have taken the time for some hand drawn art like in In the Footsteps of Darwin or Wingspan.
Can you guys turn down the volume of your promotions and intro. It is so loud
Deleted comment, as my “rule correction” was incorrect.
That's not true, kiosks score one money per building around it, except unflipped enclosures.
Not true. Each occupied standard building, unoccupied or occupied special building and pavillon counts. It doesn't have to be unique.
@@papav3r You are right, I read the rules as “unique building” and then a list of the buildings, not connecting in my brain that unique buildings are the actual “unique buildings”. I’ve been handicapping myself! Thanks for the correction.
Wait we have been playing that the buildings need to be unique as well, so if there were 2 2-hex enclosures next to a kiosk you would only get 1 money. What is the word unique in the rules there then?
@@MerlinsManor It’s for those colored tiles that are not animal enclosures, like the aquarium or playground; they are so named in the components’ section of the rule book.
I personally would not have started off that part of the rules with “kiosks score for every unique building…”, as it could lead to a confusion like we encountered. As well, I would italicize or bold each component keyword so that it triggers the reader to know we are talking about a specific piece in the game. But, I have ADHD, so reading things as they are meant to be read gets lost with me sometimes.
lincoln cheated like 4 times
Cheated? -Lincoln
Forza Italia!
Looks too complicated for me. Skip