Cara is NOT the New Instagram for Artists (Here's Why) || SPEEDPAINT + COMMENTARY
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I am just so mad at all these big company apps. I don't EVEN CARE if I don't get a lot of likes on Cara, I'm just happy to support an app that ACTUALLY cares about their users!!
Ive been having a hard time on insta since idk 2018-2019 and its kind of funny that cara actually got me more engagement than instagram has
Same 😭🙏
I only get like... 4 likes on Cara, but I don't care... They don't steal artists art like Instagram does.
I used to draw and paint a lot, been on all sorts of sites and communities way back in the day (most of them are instinct now). My DeviantArt account is like a crime scene I come back to every four or so years. I made account on Cara mostly to support the app, I owe at least that much to the community. Also, how knows maybe I make something again then I have a place to post it. I was never good at catching up with Instagram and all the fast paced apps, I'm not even that social to be honest so getting likes and shares was never something I got into. Cara reminds me a lot of the good ole days.
I just think its kinda sad how less the cara moderation seems to be caring about AI artwork on their site. Ive seen like 2 or 3 accounts on Cara that posted AI art without it beeing taken down.
@@flex4285 Even if there is some bad apple users sneaking in and posting AI it's still not nearly as bad as the app taking ALL of the REAL artists art and turning it to ai. Also I don't think it's that cara doesn't care, it's that the team running cara is still very small and they don't have the resources to find and kick out every bad apple yet
If companies want to use my art for their ai i want to get paid
Fuckin' facts bro!
Fr if we don't get money its theft and they make TRILLIONS of dollars by doing that....
That's absolutely valid
You aren't allowed to use their art for commercial purposes so why should they be allowed to use everyone else's art in that manner without permission?
underrated comment
Cara might not be the ‘end all, be all’ but what is more important is that it’s a message sent to all these greedy and smiley social platforms that just because something’s on the internet doesn’t just mean you can use it as if it’s public domain. Also I think Cara is just at best a better option for now because not only it was made by a artist but an artist who has won cases against Gen ai and literally has worked with the people who have made glaze and actually implemented it into the platform so artists data from each project is protected. That’s why I think it’s the better option for now and also Gen ai models shouldn’t be opt out…it should be opt in form the get go
💯 ❤❤❤
wait until they get money
@@Doubl3_Black”wait until they get money” why is everyone so subconsciously addicted to feeling pain that when something good appears they want to “predict” how it’s gonna turn out?
Nothings logical about thinking way worse than you should be thinking 😭
@@CemeteryDxll "Nothings logical about thinking way worse than you should be thinking" oh? How should people think, according to you? Toxically positively? :/ People were screwed so many times by big corpos they will assume the worst and maybe, just maybe, will be pleasantly surprised, and I don't blame them for that.
@@Nassi_Love "being a little bit positive for once isn't toxic positivity." - no, but telling people to be positive when circumstances are far from it is not okay.
"If anything this is too much negativity. It's like people going "oh but you gotta be suspicious on the internet" but they're suspicious of everything and giving nothing a shred of positivity. " - I wonder how this happened? Oh, I know - people started to use Internet only on their bad days and spread the negativity for no reason. :/
"That's also toxic you know. Being too negative isn't healthy." - I agree.
"Have you heard of a balance?" - is water wet?
I am a professional artist and I got more traction on Cara than on Instagram.
Why? Because I don't want to post reels, I don't want to post everyday, the algorithm is shxxxt.
So if you are not an established artist before the dead of the #, if you are not a youtuber, then Instagram is not that eldorado I hear everyone online taking about.
Of course people who have a big following on Instagram don't want to leave it and will say to newer artists to not go elsewhere because it's your bread and butter.
But think about the newer artists, no way to find them out on Instagram. And when you follow them, 9 times out of 10, Instagram doesn't show me their art.
I will keep both but I find sometimes art youtubers are bias because they already have their fame on Instagram and having concurrency elsewhere is a really good thing in my opinion but many of them don't like it.
Anyway, I understand that we all hope to have not hop in and out all the time of different platforms. Cara isn't Instagram, but I secretly hope it does in some years.
So true!! Yesterday I made my first post on Cara and what I imediately noticed is that I was able to reach new people. On Instagram the only persons that see my art are few of my followers because I don't post very often. I hope this Cara'll survive because Instagram is pretty pointless at this state.
I don’t post often on instagram due to my work, but unfortunately for me and other figure drawing artists and anatomists, we’re not welcome at Cara neither. Instagram censors us for our human figure drawings and cara does too.
I already kinda had the idea that Cara can’t become the “new Instagram” because of it’s niche being specifically for artists while Instagram is for everyone. Despite this, I still have my hopes for Cara and I find the platform very enjoyable so far! I’ve got my fingers crossed for the team that things will go by more smoothly for them soon
Deviantart and Artstation is for artist only back then aswell, and see how big they 're now
I’m a little scared now that I learned their plan was to make it subscription based tho
I think this can be pretty much solved by actually making social accs on there with the same idea that they won't be able to feed the machine with pics of you and your closer ones. However, I haven't gotten into Cara yet, so I don't really know if that would actually work :(
@@kelvisaisawesome If you use some thing for free then you 're the production, just look at how facebook and Instagram feed their user's data to train AI.
Server cost is not fee, you know? And the more member, the more cost it will be.
If anything happen , I would rather pay to be a customer in Cara than being a "production" in other social page.
@@huymaivan8671 Yes I understand that. It’s very admirable that’s that you want to do that, but I also don’t have disposable income to pay for subscriptions. I hope some day to be in a good financial position.
It's more like a Deviantart AND Artstation competitor.
Since both Deviantart and Artstation embraced AI-generated images a platform like Cara that is by artists for artists is a breath of fresh air.
That’s what it is truly is
I am still salty that ArtStation is not against AI~ Artists need a safe place for them to share their works and build a portfolio!
@@kgxart ikr. even Behance is allowing AI generated works (well... Adobe has Firefly), which is sooooo stupid imo. Like... those are supposed to be portfolio websites where u show YOUR works...
And Artstation allowing genAI was basically one of the main motivations for Cara devs to work on their platform. It started as an Artstation alternative, but I'm glad they didn't stop there
They could maybe try to open user donations like how ao3 has sustained itself for years. I feel like it would solidify cara's place as a community where people support and help each other rather than just a greedy corporal site, and with how hyped everyone is, I don't think this is unbelievably idealistic.
They do have a "buy me a coffee" page where you can support them with one time purchases or monthly with different price tiers with their respective goodies (similar to patreon). All the support is meaningful of course but I heard the server bill was very expensive, the cause being the unexpected amount of people that joined the platform in such a short amount of time. So support, patience and understanding are very important if we want to keep the platform going.
Either way, Cara is amazing and I'm extremely grateful to have access to such a great platform that doesn't exploit artists or work on crappy algorithms. I wish the devs and engineers the best of luck 💕
@@lunaticaliana3479 that's sweet, I do wish people will be kind and patient to them
At this point i feel like "bigger" and "more famous" artists just want us to stay on Instagram so they can have their clout back. They know they will have a harder time with getting likes on a completely new app that no one knows them on!
I may be wrong, of course, feel free to change my mind , but i PERSONALLY, ONLY saw bigger artists being against Cara, while smaller artists generally Support it
No hate to Celestia tho of course
I actually saw a lot of smaller artists not being "against" it but sort of regretting making an account or being disappointed but lack of traction. And I saw bigger artist make accounts and still post on cara to this day. For a lot of artists, not necessarily clout but their source of income that dictates they remain insta (ie. For commissions, brand deals, small business, etc.) Cara doesn't really appeal to non artists, and non artists are the ppl who pay the most, so the app isn't really a viable option for those artists
Basically, it's a very complex issue that can't be boiled down to "big" and "small" artists
It depends on how much they were relying on "influencer" tactics and legible engagement metrics. The platforms that stick to simpler passive feeds without algorithmic engagement discourage influencers because they mostly get blocked when they try to stir the pot. If you go on Insta or X you get bombarded with that stuff, it's designed to make it leak through and prompt you to mash the like button so they thrive there. The platforms taking a lot of investment need legibility and visible metrics like pressing like buttons so that they can sell ads, so they generally cater to influencers and not ordinary people. The influencers are likewise relying on the legibility of those numbers to figure out what to say or do next, if they get blocked they cry sour grapes and say it is "dead".
Because popular artists are looking at it from a different lense. Once you're that big, it doesn't make sense to move, and encouraging people to move to where you're not is an objectively terrible business decision. Whether they actually hate it or not is up in the air tho.
Big artists usually advertise products & make lots of income this way, and these companies only reach out to them because of their big numbers. It wouldn't work on Cara, there are not enough users yet. I don't know if there ever be enough users/daily activity to make money this way.
As a very casual hobbyist artist I have never gained any attention in social media so I feel refreshed by everything you told about Cara. Definitely going to try it out and hope I can find my art home from there😊❤
I've been having terrible luck with that, but hope you do better :')
Honestly unless you’re a popular artist with somewhat of a following loyalty base you likely won’t gain traction unless you consistently interact with ppl via commenting on posts and stuff
@@xo3115 So I assume it's more like Artfol in that regard, what a shame 😅
This is actually a good response. From what I have seen, there was serious false information about Cara that the whole "training in AI" was actually people taking another company or something in the same name as Cara. The creator of Cara shared a post that it was confirmed that they are actually trying to protect artists from AI. That is what I heard from Instagram stories and other videos, there are too many rumors spreading around but I still actually agree with your valued response to the Cara situation. I honestly don't know who to believe anymore, there are folks who are staying on Instagram and just ignore Meta's newest update. There are artists who made a Cara account to use until Instagram changes their minds or when it's over.
I'm definitely checking out the other videos for more information. I do not want every artist or creator to have to deal with AI art no more as a daily struggle, it's really sad to see so many people leaving Instagram permanently just to escape AI again. Feels like nowhere is safe.
Thanks for making this video 🌸
As a hobbyest, (who wants to be a professional in the future) i have a cara mostly just because i used my instagram to keep all my art in the same place, and cara does the same thing besides i wont get my art stolen
same! if i ever post, i want my art to be organized in one place only and cara sounds like a wonderful option for it.
My issue as an artist is there has been so many platforms pop up promising to be the new platform for artists just for them to end up dead in a few months.
Artfol, mastadon, bluesky, threds and now cara.
I’m just sick of jumping ship every time a social media site does something stupid. It isn’t easy to start from scratch.
True.. :/
I still use Artfol. They're currently working hard on releasing version 2.0
Mastodon? dead? Wut?
@@DarthBiomech I think people still fail to see how Mastodon works. My Mastodon is everything but dead either.
We as an artist are SO stupid
Seriously, we prefer to victimice ourselves instead of learn how publicity works for implement that and not to suffer for years trying to reach a niche for decades.
I never used instagram so I don't really know how it works and how good it is. Even if Cara might not be the "new instagram", I will probably use it just because it is not by some greedy corparation and it's against ai, which I care about the most honestly.
I like that Cara is an actual gallery and not a clout machine. Artists need a space to share their art, not just churn out content for social media companies.
If anyone is bitching because “WAAAAA I WAAANT MY CLOUUUUUT” then they clearly don’t care about art.
Ill be very honest, im much more happier to post my art on Cara than both Twitter and Instagram. I feel that the algorithms in both has been very crappy and I barely got any tractions when I post my art there.
There I always get likes, even my old art that barely got alot of likes on Instagram got more likes on Cara. I thought I'd fell off of Cara because I get fed up of big artists hype up a new app for artists that later gets forgotten... But with Cara I never did, Ive joined there last month and I still been using it.
Thank you for being up-front about the pros and cons of Cara! Way too many people I saw covering this treated this as a situation where someone saying anything negative against Cara was against it, or even worse, for the policies Meta is implementing. I personally love Cara for what it is now and look forward to seeing it grow, but too many people joined expecting some polished masterpiece where they could grow quickly. That just did a massive disservice to A) the users who took the time to try out the app because of that misinformation and B) Cara itself, by now have a demographic of people who will probably never try the app again because their impossibly high expectations were not met by an app in beta.
I also really hate it when people refer to Cara as a new insta for artists. The whole point of many of us leaving Insta, is because we hated it. It wasn't JUST about Meta's AI policies, but a combination of that, the awful mishandling of creative features on the app (tags, reels, our freakin home and explore feeds), the atrocious upload schedule one would have to maintain to grow on the platform and the general shady lack of transparency Meta has with it's users! Many of us want Cara to be better, an enjoyable place for artists and art-lovers alike. Unfortunately many aren't going to sick around or even think to come back later because of completely normal issues that happen in beta development.
What many are rightfully being worried about is that this might eventually become yet another massive Bait&Switch. Maybe not even by the original devs of this site either. But who knows if 1-2 years from now they get bought by some other company, who will immediately proceed to make yet another AI training behind the scenes (or sell the data to another company), only to announce it in public when it's too late, to give a worthless "opt-out" option to the users who's work have been already exploited? Unfortunately until AI training is properly regulated to prevent this kind of behaviour, this *is* a possibility.
Right. I want Cara to succeed but im not gonna put energy into it until i know its gonna be around for years. The app/ site could defo change for the worse and be just like the other apps, over time.
@@pyradragon Unfortenetly, this is what I am afraid of.
I was deciding to go into Cara, but you have a point. Maybe I'll just watch and see first. Ngl, I have a lot of art pages/links at the moment to keep up with!
where does this even come from. It was never supposed to be Instagram? It is more an alternative to artstation, since they allowed ai to flood the site. I better hope its not the next Instagram, otherwise i would be on Instagram in the first place
As a new artist (I have been practicing since December.), I wanted to wait to see if Cara stuck around before jumping on. When Twitter alternatives were popping up, I also waited to see if they would stick around. Cara would be yet ANOTHER platform for me to keep track of, so I wanted to make sure the transition was worth it. Probably will still wait a bit, just in case.
As an artist who has yet to start using social media, this grants me hope. I hope when i start my career cara is ready.
As a small hobby artist I hope so too. I'm right now on Artfol but that platform doesn't get much engagement and is mostly artists so it wouldn't help with getting an audience
Cara sounds fantastic. I've been hearing it and this extensive look into it makes me want to make an account. I had already decided and this solidified that I won't make one *yet* to put less pressure on the developers, even if only a little as I am only one person. I'm excited to hear more about it and where it goes!
Due to videos like this and many others.
It seems like Cara is a good art site for people who are staring off and want others to see their art without the toxicity that comes with it. Like bullying you’ll see from other platform like TikTok. Cuz omg is that a nightmare.
Though if I’m wrong somebody correct me cuz I haven’t downloaded the app
Yeah its peaceful everyone is so nice and understandable
I have fully abandoned Instagram I know Cara is in beta but unlike Instagram I actually happy posting again and seeing other fellow artists doing stuff is nice. I haven't deleted my account though as I do want it up still but I just bring myself to post there anymore. I haven't been happy on Instagram for a long time not and hated being on there. Finally finding something that brings me joy again that I so missed. Still wounder if I should join Tumblr as a normal social and not just an art social but for now cara is perfect. I do enjoy tumblr but it just feels daunting to join than something like cara as it's social normals are just so unique to the platform. And I fear messing up and doing something dumb due to these norms being so special to it.
Been using Cara for a bit and honestly I love the community on there. Everyone has been extremely supportive and it's an amazing app for artists. Would it be harder to get noticed by non-artists? Probably, but I'm fine with it ngl
I see Cara as an alternative for DeviantArt more then Instagram because DA was meant to be an art website while Insta is basically everything else at this point
That portfolio feature is very nice. I really dislike posting sketches, WIPs & timelapses bc it messes up the aesthetics of my feed. Now we pretty much have to post that stuff to avoid the AI witch-hunts 😂
I don't use Instagram anymore (Would use it as a form of contact though) and decided to replace it with cara cause it focuses around artist while Instagram doesn't, Instagram just sucks for artist mostly for smaller artist for cara on the other hand i can say if anyone is a smaller artist use cara.
Cara feel's like a breath of fresh air giving artist room to breathe, because you don't have to feel like your always competing with the system and other artist, as to Instagram it always feels like that and it sucks, cara will never be the new Instagram because it's, it's own thing.
Just at the intro bit, but
As someone who constantly jumped from one site to another, I just know we're gonna do that with Cara eventually
Like, yes people are using it now. But eventually, there will be a new one to go to. Or, the team behind it, eventually abandons it, and the new team makes it a clone of their app (rip Vent)
But also, I just prefer using BlueSky. Which, is also not perfect. But as an ex Twitter user, it's definitely better than Twitter
Thanks for making this video. I’m glad I saw this so I don’t get instagram. I don’t have any engagement to lose and I’m fine with having a app in beta because I haven’t consistently posted art since my old website Q nipped our chat and group features in the bud
Cara won't replace insta no matter if we want it to be or not, but it did replace my insta bc i rather post art than suffering doing reels 👍🏾
Y'all always cry that you "want the old platforms back! Yall want the old deviantart back! Y'all want the old insta back" but are never ready to expose yourself to old numbers of engagement. NOTHING will get changed to artists unless we stop thinking in numbers because right now the only artists benefitting off insta's exposure are the ones that are already big and that are trying to convince you to stay on insta so they can keep their clout.
BTW. when it comes to Meta not using images posted by people, this problem mainly affects people living outside the EU.
In EU, if you say that you don't want them to use your artworks/images to train AI, they have to agree to not use it, no matter what is the reason.
They can't use this "show us that your image was used in Datasets or we will ignore you" attitude here.
Like, i wrote that "application" to them, the reason for it being that "i don't want my images to be used to train ai" - and they answered me like a hour later, saying they would not use it.
Makes me flad to live in EU.
I just hope they actually do it and don't just tell you that they don't.
Great reporting, I perfer cara, have supported it since day one. As ive not built a business on Instagram. Though i tried. I found cara to be a behavioral change. To connect and see dope art. To refine the craft. To get feed back. To support emerging human art. Art for the sake of art. I am supporting cara and would easily be an ambassador of this new platform that honors arts and crafts as an invitation for the art societies embrace against ai art. I don't think I'll make money here but I'll learn and grow and protect my work. My process. My personality. My style. My longest best friend. I just don't want my best friend to be exploited
cara is a big sign of hope for an art newbie like me. It's so discouraging for somebody who is trying to get an eye for art to not know if any reference I choose is an AI image or not. I've given up on pinterest completely and only make fanart of copyrighted material to learn
Cara sounds like an interesting platform and I am defienetly willing to try it one day when I decide to come back from an internet hiatus. This video really puts Cara into perspective. There's alot of pros & cons with it. But I hope Cara turns into something in the future. Maybe by the time I invest in an account.
I admit: I was so excited to hear about Cara. I was told it was a great space to put artwork, reminiscent of Deviantart (for me, anyway) back in the day. I saw it as a good alternative to Instagram not to replace it but to divide the content I want to put on that platform. I wanted to place different things on different platforms to have a cohesive and consistent audience. Seeing that it was still in beta, I made the choice to bookmark the page and wait until it releases its 1.0. However, I am a supportive hobbyist and not a professional. I don't rely on my art as my income. I do wish all the best for the developers and users and I hope Cara continues to thrive, but at a healthier and sustainable pace.
Thank you for the reflection in this video!
And still I get way more engagement on Cara than on Instagram. With less stress and anxiety. Also, I thought a lot about the downside of Cara being a platform only for artists thus limiting your potential auditory. I guess there are some situations where it's for the best - if you're not an artists with a very eye candy style you might not get attention from non-artists anyway, where art community might understand your works better and be interested in your sketches and small comics and OCs. And also when an artists leaves a kind comment on your work you can go look at their art and create a meaningful conversation that is not only centered around yourself, which is good for creating connections. I realized that most of the people with whom we communicated on IG more than 'cool! thank you!' are artists. It's easy to follow back a person who showed interest and kindness to you if they are posting art as well - you can pay back the attention without messing with your feed.
From how I've used it so far, Cara kind of seems perfect for me. I'm just starting posting art online myself, so I'm going from 0 followers on my art to 6. That's a huge win, lol. But as someone who finds large social media platforms intimidating already, Cara it feels a lot more inviting. It's small scale, and entirely filled with artists. It's been really cool so far.
I really love Cara, I will never post art on instagram again but I still use it for communications
I still think that there’s too much “I want to get likes again” when I hear people talk about cara. It’s like people are trying to find the next thing to fuel an addiction to social media because instagram isn’t providing it anymore. That’s part of the problem with instagram and other platforms. I think a lot of us need to shift our idea of what the point is. Getting a lot of likes doesn’t mean anything if there’s no real engagement and you just want community. If you want to make art a career, likes don’t matter. They are noise and pressure. I think that as a whole artists need to realize also that platforms like instagram etc aren’t going to be the thing that makes you have a successful art career, and we need to find other, more concrete ways. Just posting on a platform and waiting isn’t a particularly good tactic, and it sort of just lulls you into feeling like you did effective marketing when it isn’t. I think the days of being able to post to a social media platform and blow up in ways that actually lead to anything concrete are largely behind us. Social media is in a different phase now, and we need to find other methods, maybe even going back to some of the pre social media tactics people used to use. With ai, the cat is already out of the bag, and we have to spend less time freaking out about it and more time preparing for how to counter it and make it clear that it’s trash. Because it is. In my career, in addition to it being unethical, ai is also not USEFUL. It doesn’t provide useful references because it doesn’t know what things actually are. It doesn’t know that a forearm is made up of a bunch of individual parts working together. It isn’t iterative, and my clients need to be able to feel like they have a say in every stage and can trust me to deliver. Certain clients even specifically say you can’t use ai in any way in contracts. It isn’t good for generating ideas. I can come up with a ton of ideas doing thumbnails and sketches in a few minutes and they are better ideas. It’s like how people were telling us we all needed to get in on the “nft technology”. I suspect that generative ai has already kind of reached the peak of what it is able to do considering how “ai” works, and people just need to get to a point as a whole where they are tired of it. In the meantime, artists need to make it clear why we are important, cuz non artists just don’t know how anything works. Idk, just some thoughts. This isn’t to say I don’t think that ai will ruin a ton of things in the process, but I think we need to all be smarter about how we counter it and reassert ourselves. I think it’s useful to support Cara because they want to protect artists from ai, but I don’t think that waiting for a platform to become the new way to post constantly to get likes is good in the long run. I think we need to start finding better ways to cut out the social media middleman and realize it’s possible to have a successful art career and an internet presence without “a ton of likes”
My priority isn't to gain a huge traction, but rather a small community. As someone who was brought up on deviantart and misses the old days of the site. Cara seems to be the nicest alternative for me at the moment. As it is a platform with a tight sense of community rather than a competition on who can gain the most likes, considering the algorithm on sites like Instagram are not catered to images alone and heavily prioritises reels and constant uploads. I want to post animations here and there, but I don't ever plan to cater to videos constantly nor do I plan to have a consistent upload schedule in general. As growing numbers is not what drives me, but to enjoy the process of creating when I feel inspired at the time and if people happen to enjoy what I do, that's fantastic. So in summary Cara is fine, as I'm not looking into perusing art professionally at the moment.
I just stopped using any social site for my art. It sucks bc i wanted to be an artist as a career but im so unwilling to sell my soul to meta or twitter or whatever big social medias there are that im barred from entry.
I went to be a software engineer instead. Maybe i could lend some of that knowledge to cara when they open applications though! Id love to help make the site amazing.
That's valid. But I have to tell you somenthing
Social media aren't indispensable for work as an artist. They are just tools
You wanted to be an indie artist or a industrial artist? Because in the industrial artist case, you just have to need to know how to make a portfolio and look for jobs that could need you
Meanwhile on the indie artist way, you can make your own website (think on websites like "Welcome Home" for example. Not like Cara, that's a diferent thing)
It's all about information and consistency.
But your decision is also reasonable, living of art whithout knowing how or having information resources is VERY hard.
@DeadnyMaster my problem with the site thing is that... how are you gonna get people looking at your site without a social media presence?? It just doesnt happen. No one will find out about it unless you spend money on advertising or have a social media presence or have a friend who has a big enough following to promote you.
@@holy.diever I agree on that. You may want to create your own website, but it will be completely invisible in front of the insanely advertisement-dependent world we are in today. Because if you don't go for a social media presence, you would still need to pay money and effort to make other kinds of advertisement out in the real world (posters are laughably outdated and inneffective nowadays, but they aren't cheap either), just to make sure that people know you website even _exists_ .
I'm an indie artist too, and I'm going through a similar dilemma. There's no way I'm abandoning art, it is my passion and something that always called me back whenever I tried to leave it. But social media and big corporations have made it impossible for my work to be seen by more than 20 people.
I have made a decision... I'm laying low. The situation is rocky, big platforms have become s/-/it and the new ones have an uncertain future (since many "promising" sites for artists have already become stale). I'm going the old fashion way of being a relatively hidden artists who only shows my work to relatives and acquaintances, at least untill the situation is solved in some way, wether with a new site that actually succeeds or something else.
100% agree. I'm lucky enough to not rely on my art for income or have to stay on one platform because of a massive following, but I hope cara grows into something more over time. Its rare to see people taking their time and choosing sustainable growth over explosive virality these days, I'm very impressed by their attitude and forethought.
Wait.. so in order to “opt out” of Meta’s AI training you have to prove that their AI has ALREADY trained on your content, by which point it’ll be too late (you can’t “untrain” ai off of specific content)? 😂😂
I believe they delete the images and posts they have in the AI database, and run the AI again
@@Aquanoodle55 no way. That would mean re-starting the training from scratch for the entire AI. I guarantee they don’t do that
as someone who posted on Instagram for YEARS but never did that well I get the same amount of engagement on my posts on Cara even though my follower count in much smaller (150 vs 5)
I have watched so many videos on Cara already, but I learnt so much from your video so thanks for talking about it, and talking about it in your own way because even though there are a lot of videos on the same topic you'd be surprised what information or perspective is missed in each video.
Sure would be nice if people stopped comparing art social medias to each other. Let them grow without having to look to another
Deviantart and Artstation is for artist only back then aswell, and see how big they 're now.
Cara was never mean to be like Instagram anyway.
I see Cara more as a competitor for Deviantart as well
@@tami7992 Indeed
This whole drama only made me realise haw big part of instagram is instagram art community but still how little they care about art
I am wholeheartedly against instagram’s new policy and I definitely see why people would want to use Cara or start glazing their artwork, but for me personally, I’m probably not going to start doing either anytime soon. I find it completely unreasonable that all of a sudden, we artists have to literally relocate or start protecting our work if we don’t want these big companies to take our pride and joy, feed it to a glorified photocopier and call it art. At this point I’m more tired of it than anything. My only hope is that sooner or later Ai is gonna start cannibalizing itself and all the Ai bros can get petty over their anime waifus turning into a eldritch pile of arms and legs
I think the way searching for new art/artists in Instagram recently changed is an even bigger problem. If you weren't an artist with a following already, you probably wont be after this change.
I feel like something that will help Cara is sponsors even though they can get nit picky about a few things like certain kinds of art work I believe if Cara gets the right people to sponsor them they could get a full time team of people to work on the app. Also even though Cara is made specifically for artists I feel like they should branch out to other things other than art so artists on Cara can get a wider audience that aren’t artists (after they can get a full time team of course).
What I fear currently the most is that Cara gets hit with the same curse so many promising cool apps and sites encounter: it's going to go cool and perfect for a while, but then some techbro or corporation comes along, seeis it and wants it, flashes a couple billion dollars at the creators for it, and they lose their mind from greed at the sight os so much money, and betray their users and sell the platform to the corporation, who then starts milking it like everything else they own.
I love how UA-cam is the ONLY app that ISNT owned by meta
I just created a account on Cara today and I'm honestly loving it so far. It's not as big as Instagram, but for a hobbyist like me that is not a problem at all. Maybe it won't work for everyone, but that's ok.
I'd argue that automatically opt'ing people INTO AI is bad in itself,
People who don't know how to opt-out can't
People who are inactive can't opt-out
People who are dead can't opt-out
OFC it's better than not letting people opt-out, but consent can never be assumed :( i hope these companies learn...
Cara is quite strict with spam and nft bros as well. I reported two accounts claiming to buy some of my art for NFT. I reported both then poof! They are gone.
As a Linux user, I would like to officially welcome you all to say the phrase "I use Cara, btw"
As a young hobby artist, I'm weighing all the different places to post my art, and I appreciate this analysis. Though I had already decided not to post there (I just don't really vibe with the aesthetic, it looks a little too crisp and modern for my taste, and the sheer amount of stunning professional art on there was rather intimidating for me), I was interested to see an artist's more negative perspective of the site, given all the good press it was receiving. At first I thought this was just clickbait, but you actually were really fair about Cara and the downsides to use it, rather than blindly stating that only a silly idealist would leave a big name social media platform for one that normies would never use.
As for the sites I am considering posting on, I'm thinking of probably Newgrounds or Side7. Both have very charming, almost retro looking interfaces. Both also have the benefit of rating systems and a more detailed tagging system which Cara lacks. I prefer Newground's image previews, but I like that Side7 has a lot of distinct categories, making it easy to find serial comics as opposed to short strips, photography, etc. Whereas Newground's art portal doesn't appear to have the option to sort by category like that. Also, Side7 has a smaller user base, and doesn't have a 'scouting' system like Newgrounds to make your art visible, so I may feel more comfortable as an amateur artist posting there.
i got so sad when i saw so many artists i follow completely delete and abandon their accounts to go to cara. i posted so much on my story saying not to do that because its just another safe haven social media that will die in a few months. and literally no one believed me it was annoying HSVSH
maybe one day cara will be a cool place to build a platform on, but right now it isnt and so it doesnt give me any want to move.
the ai problem is nuts but i think people need ro remember that your art is such a small percentage with all of the images its being trained on. there is quite literally almost no chance that the ai will even reflect any of what youve made because of the saturation of other images.
i hate that ai art is becoming so advanced that people are supporting it. but its clear we dont have a say anymore and protests are not working.
all we can do is just hope for the best and hope that it becomes illegal to copyright it or make money off of it.
The friends reference is actually a reference to when prince changed his name from prince to the artist formerly known as prince
I don't think I would advise anyone to REPLACE IG with Cara, at least for now. But it's a great new addition to the scene, for sure.
Cara is off to a great start, and is a big relief for artists compared to so many other platforms - it's absolutely worth it to be on, even just as an addition to other outlets. It's missing a couple of key features that will need to be solved. 1) is survival - it needs to monetize in some way to keep from dying from its own success; they're still working on this, but I personally think they should start with optional memberships in a few tiers, to let people help cover the costs. Then over time they can add features like printing and merch support and take a cut, expand on the job listings they have now, maybe add paid subscriptions (similar to UA-cam and Twitch, where money goes to the artist), and so on. 2) Build audience - they need to work to build non-artist audience so there are PEOPLE to follow artists, ones who will follow artists and eventually maybe buy from them. To build a MARKET, in other words. The sort of thing IG used to be good at before they suppressed that part of their algorithm.
I popped over there to check cara out. And i already love it.
as a small but somewhat experienced artist, I've actually gotten more interaction on Cara than I did on Instagram. I also *really* love Cara's portfolio feature. But I don't think Cara is a replacement for the 'casual customer' traffic instagram can offer, if you make it big enough on there. But as a beginner who doesn't want Instagram to become your job, I don't think the chances are that great to gain traction on there anymore, either... Cara is not 'the alternative to instagram', like the video rightfully said. But if you are just starting out and want a friendly artist community to get inspirations and meet fellow artists, give Cara a try.
night shade AND THEN GLAZE FOR BEST PROTECSHION
You know what I like about cara? No thirst post. No asses hanging out or some roid taking body builders
Damn refreshing to just see art on your feed ❤
Unless someone draws big hanging asses and roided out bodybuilders 😅
Honestly, I just moved to Cara so I can have an archive that won't be used for AI by big companies. I stopped caring about internet clout a loooong time ago when I realized as a teenager that it was severely impacting my mental health.
If you want to use it, a way could be to upload unaltered versions of your work there (sonce it wont scrape for ai), and upload glazed or nightshaded works on other platforms.
So glad this video is how I learned about this app
I still post on Instagram, but I only post cropped drawings with wonky filters and anti-AI disturbance, full view only on Cara.
My girlfriend and I were talking about something that doesn't end to make sense to us with Cara, and is that as a social network focused on artist is not so attractive for "regular users", and in her case, she's a tattoo artist with an illustration background doing custom art for every client and needs to promote her work to potential customers, and with Cara you're only targeting other artists and not the general public. So if you're a an artist that your income depend mainly in the selling your art to individual customers, dropping Instagram completely for Cara is not a reliable decision. At the end of the day, a lot of artists work depend on engagement
I wrote this as I listened to the commentary and now reached the part where this topic is talked about
Cara's ceo made fun of nsfw artists and disallows it on the platform. thats reason enough for me to never support that platform. they treat nsfw artists just as poorly as AI bros treat artist poorly in general. theyre no different from the rest of them
I do miss the engagement on Twitter but it was so beyond toxic that my mental health couldn’t handle it. And it was after elons whole rebrand and super account bs that I started getting bigots on my feed instead of the artists I was used to. So I left it for Bluesky and I don’t see the art I used to (mainly bcuz like u said a lot of artists stayed using Twitter mainly) but also because there’s no personalized algorithm like Twitter USED TO have. While with insta, because of the over-saturation of users and impossible algorithm and explore page, I get virtually no engagement, except from bots. So leaving it won’t really be all that hard. I think the only issue rly is that while I love finding new artists, just looking at art all day is kinda boring. Especially cuz they don’t have videos yet. Which I’m not rly mad about, it’s just more exciting to engage with, like on art TikTok and UA-cam. I did stop posting art on Instagram, and while Cara slowly builds their platform, I’m just using it as a safe place to have a public portfolio more than anything. I’ve gotten more real engagement on there than insta anyways.
I'm new to Cara and this weekend I spent some time visiting other artists. I haven't been that active since I discovered deviantart in 2010 :'D I don't wish it to become instagram, I wish this could be safe and nice place for us, artists.
I've been waiting for your video regarding this subject. Safe to say, I have the same thinking.. Thanks for sharing!
i like twitter's layout so i'm glad cava used it.
Hearing about that Instagram controversy, I'm so glad I left for Artfol early 😅
It may not give me a large audience but it's for artists and fun
Artstation, for 1 year old Cara, Instagram.....YOU ARE THE FATHER!!
I don't trust Cara. I know that thy person in charge works with the people over at Glaze but still. The whole thing feels TOO convenient. I made an account on Cara but I haven't posted anything, whenever I go in is to check out what's going on in there and something that really bothers me is the comments on some of the art I see. Not sure if it's me but a lot of the comments feel like bots. They feel generic and only vague enough to elude that they're talking about the OP's piece but they look extremely off. I've even gone into some of those accounts and checked them out and oftn they don't even have the "about" or "bio"section written. Which i guess it can happen since not everyone will fell like putting up stuff but still.
Maybe I'm just tired of dealing with all these sites and their AI bs that I'm suspicios of every other site claiming to be there for artists. I'm really tired of it, man. But I'm still trying to make and share my art somewhere. I just don't feel safe in any site anymore.
Make your blog at this point then
@@Dave102693 ?
no, we should be supporting cara. im sick of instagram and i don't use it for following artists because even AI aside, the algorithm is just so awful and you can't even sort by new. its a terrible platform
I'd like to add that while Cara is great for pro artists, as a beginner/very small artist I've found even less growth than on instagram there, purely because Cara is full of so many good artists and no one cares to go outside their feed and checking the "recent" page, so my work is seen by literally no one, and same goes for a lot of artists that are sometimes really good and somehow ignored by the algorythm, I wish Cara was a good place for small artists but as of now my profile is collecting dust because no one cares.
I've never used instagram, and I have moved from twitter to tumblr and dropped reddit. Maybe I'll pick up cara eventually, but i'd like to wait until it's a bit more fleshed out
end of sponsor: 7:08
I only use Cara as my portfolio, but I kinda don't care for it much since I have 0 supporter on there
Idk why people comparing it rn anyways considering it is nothing like ig and has nothing to do with it 🤣
By the sounds of it I'm one of the few people that meta accepted the opt out request for. BUT this was because I threatened Large and aggressive legal action.
This is like the second time i eever heard of Cara and the first time wasnt in a dedicated video and im downloading it because it has potential T_T xD
Cara's video embed feature has been down for days. Hope it's back soon!
my opinions on every artist is
that there are 3 categories (friendlies), (average but okay) to (*Redacted*).
also whenever someone uses ai art they maybe lazy and also the AI don't know logic or where one part of an art ends
Damn ive never been so early
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THIS IS SO REAL LMFAO
Same
I just stopped posting.
Cara is still building up, and honestly Instagram feels so bad to use in general, even more with my art.
It maybe it doesn't get as popular, but it doesn't try to steal your attention and soul every damn chance it has.
idk how it is elsewhere in the world, but in the Netherlands I was simply able to opt out using thew form. i just gave the reason "I think it is too risky" and I got an e-mail a day later, that my request was approved... maybe it is due to the stricter privacy rules in the European Union... I hope other parts of the worlds get it easier too..
Duchess Celestia X squarespace frfr
To be honest, I think Cara is going to be forgotten. It doesn't take one app to destroy Instagram; however, it will still make an impact, but it would need lots of events so Instagram could be replaced.
I've gota pretty large following in instagram but my account got suspended and I can't get back in. I hate instagram, good riddance hello Cara you pretty thang
instagram is actual garbage loll
Only reason I don't use cara is that it's layout looks like twitter (don't like how it looks) and doesn't have tagging system like Instagram and tumblr (i love my tags)😢
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I lowkey want to draw ship art of Celestia X Squarespace (only if she's comfortable with it)