Thanks! Love all things MOOTS. Had a YBB for many years. Was able to sell it for just $200 less than I bought it for, after racing and riding it for many years. Holds value! But that was when a new Moots was $2,500 full kitted in XT and XTR. The price now is exponentially higher, for what appears to be the same stuff, which boggles the mind. I can’t say I’m a fan of bikes costing $8k and higher, which were like 2.5 to 3k just a few years ago. The tech and materials have NOT changed that much.
I have noticed everything is that way. The issue is wages have not been matching inflation for a long time now. Prices stayed stagnant on most products for years and now that the economy is a little better it seems prices are going up across the board. I really think most manufacturers have just decided to cater to the maybe 10 percent of the population that still has expendable cash.
Great video Jayson. Love that green! Great move to the 33T for the smaller ring. I have gone to a Praxis 48/32 chainring set up and absolutely love it.
Hello Gravel Cyclists, been watching your reviews and they are thoughtful and honest. Thank you! In your opinion, after experiencing ride qualities, visiting and seeing the manufacturer process for both Moots and Lynskey. Which company stands out? Looking to replace my current gravel bike with a TI. Currently ride a Diamondback HAANJO. Thank you for your time!
Very informative review. Bike Geometry is a favorite subject of mine. I wondered how the taller/shorter Routt 45 compares in your mind to the lower/longer RSL.
Hello, firstly, it is JOM, not John. Sorry, I generally do not do comparisons between bikes. I leave that up to the viewers to form their own opinion. I have reviewed the original Lynskey PRO GR and older Lynskey GR250, please look at those videos and draw your own conclusion. Thanks for your question.
Great review, thank´s for that. what tire size will really fit in the Routt 45? i want to ride my Speci Sawtooth 700x42mm, they comes to 43.5mm on my rims, will they fit? Thank you and best regards.
Thanks, JOM. I had the opportunity to test ride one at my LBS when Moots held demo days and agree with you. Also road a Baxter with some serious alpine gearing, monster 650b plus tires fitted tubeless on carbon rims. It was an experience of the bike disappearing beneath me despite the frame being too large. Sadly, champagne tastes, beer income here. They are lovely functional sculpture. I just need to buy that winning lottery ticket!
DROOLING!!! Yes, Jom, to answer your question your reviews are clear and precise without too much of your own wishes. That Bike is something to work for and its MOOTS... Thank you for sharing!!!
Thanks for the review. For the forever bike, and for it to work on road and for touring in all weathers, would you go for this titanium Moots or the the Mosaic GT2? All advice much appreciated!
How do you like the Moots Routt 45 vs the 3T Exploro LTD? I know it's not an apples to apples test. If you had one could only own one (n=1 bike). Which one would you choose
Sorry, I am the wrong person to ask what bike to choose if I only could own one. Why limit myself? Also, I generally do not do comparisons, I have reviewed both of those bikes, hopefully that will help you figure it out.
I own a Moots Routt 45, first gravel specific bike I bought, absolutely disliked it. Was the worst bike I’ve ever purchased, it cost more $2k more then the gravel bike I bought the following year and was worse in every aspect. My second gravel bike and currently used is Open UP. Moots gave me a frame weight that was about half what the frame actually weighed since they don’t include the stem in the weight and gave me the weight of a much smaller frame instead of 61 I was ordering. Even though I specially asked for its weight, the Moots complete build is over 4 pounds heavier then my Open and cost over $2,000 usd more. The Moots has poor power transfer it’s very soft, makes for a comfy ride but also poor power transfer. The Open is also very comfy but thanks to being able to lay carbon in different directions it’s still very stiff where it needs to be for power transfer. Moots was very sneaky on the bikes weight, I’m guessing to save my order, also no where even in the US to test ride one. Moots charges a lot for builds way more then any other custom bike including my Parlee road bike that was hand built carbon in the US. Just a mediocre metal frame touring bike with a very high price tag. Looks great but definitely does not perform any different then a classic Bianchi steel touring bike I have.
Gravel Cyclist the shop I purchased the bike from did, previously purchased my Parlee road bike from them and Moots gave the reply that 61 frames are not common and they provided the weight of a frame they had available. Moots also does not include their forks with frame weight. As for the ride Moots states they never expect a titanium frame to have similar properties to a more race oriented carbon frame, the Moots frame was designed for comfort and durability not speed or weight savings. Moots basically told me the dealer sold me that their bike meet my needs and if it doesn’t unless there’s something wrong with it I should discuss it with my dealer. Which I guess Moots is correct with everything except the weight aspect. Needless to say been purchasing bikes from another dealer after that. And with myself owning 6 bikes, my wife with 2 and my two kids, son has 2, daughter has 1. They lost some business.
As a fellow Parlee owner and enthusiast (I own a Chebacco and an RZ7) I hate to break it to you but they aren’t hand built carbon in the U.S. That carbon frame is made in China. I think only Allied Bikes are making their carbon frames in the U.S.
When someone says about a reputable such as Moots, that they quoted, noted or otherwise a frame weight of “half” the weight the frame actually is/was. This is strange and easily can lose credibility. First, You speak about two entirely different worlds in frame making materials. Carbon and Titanium. At some point in a purchase, hopefully during the research, inquiry and build phases you get details and specifics. Ask questions, take copious notes, Read reviews and demo ride. Moots, if asked would have gladly allowed you to ride one of many Routt’s in their fleet. They also do a 2 day rotating Dealer demo ride program. My dealer here in Texas, one of several would have bent over backwards to get you on a Routt demo ride. Moots is a long standing and reputable builder and above board. Using a smaller size frame to “save a sale “is a reach. Did you call Moots about your your findings? If not, respectfully, blame yourself for not gaining understanding in what exactly you were buying. Titanium is not carbon. Geometries also play a huge role in “power transfer” , ride characteristics and handling, the way a bike feels. Shorter chain stay length contributes to smoothness and comfort. Know what you are buying instead of slinging mud and blaming another due not understanding of details something is failing life’s wisdom. Ride on. Peace.
Thanks! Love all things MOOTS. Had a YBB for many years. Was able to sell it for just $200 less than I bought it for, after racing and riding it for many years. Holds value! But that was when a new Moots was $2,500 full kitted in XT and XTR. The price now is exponentially higher, for what appears to be the same stuff, which boggles the mind. I can’t say I’m a fan of bikes costing $8k and higher, which were like 2.5 to 3k just a few years ago. The tech and materials have NOT changed that much.
With a six to eight week wait list, Moots have plenty of folks lined up to buy their bikes.
I have noticed everything is that way. The issue is wages have not been matching inflation for a long time now. Prices stayed stagnant on most products for years and now that the economy is a little better it seems prices are going up across the board. I really think most manufacturers have just decided to cater to the maybe 10 percent of the population that still has expendable cash.
I’m curious as to your thoughts on the YBB? It’s ride compliance and torque transmission.
Sorry, I have not ridden that bike, cannot offer an opinion.
Great video Jayson. Love that green! Great move to the 33T for the smaller ring. I have gone to a Praxis 48/32 chainring set up and absolutely love it.
Dayum straight up bike porn there. $8500 dentist build, lol.
What’s ur height? Thanks for the great review.
Hello Gravel Cyclists, been watching your reviews and they are thoughtful and honest. Thank you! In your opinion, after experiencing ride qualities, visiting and seeing the manufacturer process for both Moots and Lynskey. Which company stands out? Looking to replace my current gravel bike with a TI. Currently ride a Diamondback HAANJO. Thank you for your time!
*Gravel Cyclist
Fernando, you need to figure out what bike is best for you, I only review them. Sorry.
Very informative review. Bike Geometry is a favorite subject of mine. I wondered how the taller/shorter Routt 45 compares in your mind to the lower/longer RSL.
Did you ever compare the two?
Hello John what advantages or disadvantages does a Moots offer compared to a Lynskey ,in similiar models ?
Hello, firstly, it is JOM, not John. Sorry, I generally do not do comparisons between bikes. I leave that up to the viewers to form their own opinion. I have reviewed the original Lynskey PRO GR and older Lynskey GR250, please look at those videos and draw your own conclusion. Thanks for your question.
Great review, thank´s for that.
what tire size will really fit in the Routt 45? i want to ride my Speci Sawtooth 700x42mm, they comes to 43.5mm on my rims, will they fit?
Thank you and best regards.
Thanks, JOM. I had the opportunity to test ride one at my LBS when Moots held demo days and agree with you. Also road a Baxter with some serious alpine gearing, monster 650b plus tires fitted tubeless on carbon rims. It was an experience of the bike disappearing beneath me despite the frame being too large. Sadly, champagne tastes, beer income here. They are lovely functional sculpture. I just need to buy that winning lottery ticket!
What are the benefits if want a gravelbike next to my xc hardtail mountainbike
DROOLING!!! Yes, Jom, to answer your question your reviews are clear and precise without too much of your own wishes. That Bike is something to work for and its MOOTS... Thank you for sharing!!!
Thanks for the review. For the forever bike, and for it to work on road and for touring in all weathers, would you go for this titanium Moots or the the Mosaic GT2? All advice much appreciated!
Jon, I've seen the GT2 several times in person but I've never ridden one, so I cannot give you an honest opinion.
How do you like the Moots Routt 45 vs the 3T Exploro LTD? I know it's not an apples to apples test.
If you had one could only own one (n=1 bike). Which one would you choose
Sorry, I am the wrong person to ask what bike to choose if I only could own one. Why limit myself? Also, I generally do not do comparisons, I have reviewed both of those bikes, hopefully that will help you figure it out.
those wishbone rear seat stays look stiff... prefer standard individual stays with a bit of flex. I've got a kent eriksson custom gravel.
Kent's bikes are so so nice.
So cool! I enjoy watch videos about (gravel) bikes i can't afford. What is the price? Asking for a friend.
Approximately $US 8,500
how's this compare to the bmc urs? did you get anytime on the soft tail?
No time on the soft tail bike, thanks.
How does it ride with bike packing gear weighted?
I never rode the bike loaded, you see everything I got up to in this video. Thank you.
Thanks for the review, Love your work!
Very nice. I would love to upgrade from Reynolds steel to the Ti someday but man there is a premium there.
someone has to pay for all these marketing campaign
Me too! I have the Niner RLT in steel and wish it was 45% lighter. Won't buy carbon.
Little over priced?
For some people, definitely. Moots usually have a six week wait list, they have plenty of customers dropping the coin on their bikes!
I own a Moots Routt 45, first gravel specific bike I bought, absolutely disliked it. Was the worst bike I’ve ever purchased, it cost more $2k more then the gravel bike I bought the following year and was worse in every aspect. My second gravel bike and currently used is Open UP. Moots gave me a frame weight that was about half what the frame actually weighed since they don’t include the stem in the weight and gave me the weight of a much smaller frame instead of 61 I was ordering. Even though I specially asked for its weight, the Moots complete build is over 4 pounds heavier then my Open and cost over $2,000 usd more. The Moots has poor power transfer it’s very soft, makes for a comfy ride but also poor power transfer. The Open is also very comfy but thanks to being able to lay carbon in different directions it’s still very stiff where it needs to be for power transfer. Moots was very sneaky on the bikes weight, I’m guessing to save my order, also no where even in the US to test ride one. Moots charges a lot for builds way more then any other custom bike including my Parlee road bike that was hand built carbon in the US. Just a mediocre metal frame touring bike with a very high price tag. Looks great but definitely does not perform any different then a classic Bianchi steel touring bike I have.
Peter, did you reach out to Moots with your concerns?
Gravel Cyclist the shop I purchased the bike from did, previously purchased my Parlee road bike from them and Moots gave the reply that 61 frames are not common and they provided the weight of a frame they had available. Moots also does not include their forks with frame weight. As for the ride Moots states they never expect a titanium frame to have similar properties to a more race oriented carbon frame, the Moots frame was designed for comfort and durability not speed or weight savings. Moots basically told me the dealer sold me that their bike meet my needs and if it doesn’t unless there’s something wrong with it I should discuss it with my dealer. Which I guess Moots is correct with everything except the weight aspect. Needless to say been purchasing bikes from another dealer after that. And with myself owning 6 bikes, my wife with 2 and my two kids, son has 2, daughter has 1. They lost some business.
As a fellow Parlee owner and enthusiast (I own a Chebacco and an RZ7) I hate to break it to you but they aren’t hand built carbon in the U.S. That carbon frame is made in China. I think only Allied Bikes are making their carbon frames in the U.S.
When someone says about a reputable such as Moots, that they quoted, noted or otherwise a frame weight of “half” the weight the frame actually is/was. This is strange and easily can lose credibility. First, You speak about two entirely different worlds in frame making materials. Carbon and Titanium. At some point in a purchase, hopefully during the research, inquiry and build phases you get details and specifics. Ask questions, take copious notes, Read reviews and demo ride. Moots, if asked would have gladly allowed you to ride one of many Routt’s in their fleet. They also do a 2 day rotating Dealer demo ride program. My dealer here in Texas, one of several would have bent over backwards to get you on a Routt demo ride. Moots is a long standing and reputable builder and above board. Using a smaller size frame to “save a sale “is a reach. Did you call Moots about your your findings? If not, respectfully, blame yourself for not gaining understanding in what exactly you were buying. Titanium is not carbon. Geometries also play a huge role in “power transfer” , ride characteristics and handling, the way a bike feels. Shorter chain stay length contributes to smoothness and comfort. Know what you are buying instead of slinging mud and blaming another due not understanding of details something is failing life’s wisdom. Ride on. Peace.
Well, of course a high-end carbon bike performs better than a Moots. Who would think otherwise?
good bike