One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is that Anita has a blue car and there is a blue car parked outside Mrs. Flood's home. You can see it in The Church on Ruby Road. I thought at the time that it was a reference to Donna's car, but it could also support this theory 😁
7:57 there was an animated children’s show made in the early 1970s called Mr Benn, where the main character went into the same costume shop in every episode and tried a different costume each time, and was transported to the period in time the costume represented
@ when I saw it at Christmas, that was my first thought, that somehow Mr Benn was suddenly in the Dr Who universe, or the shop in Mr Benn was in the Whoniverse and more specifically somehow linked to the Time Hotel
It was, also, a book series! Yeah, whether her last name ends up being significant to the story or not, the Mr. Benn reference is absolutely intentional!!
Two reasons against it. First Floods line about “I had such plans for this world” as she dies from Sutekh and then she didn’t recognize the doctor the first time she sees him last Christmas. And I think the sudden appearance of a blue box on her sidewalk wouldn’t be something she blamed on that neighbor nor would the dematerialization.
One puzzle that bothered me is, what being would reside on Earth, know what a Tardis is, yet not recognize *immediately* that an out-of-place blue police box is almost certainly the Doctor's Tardis? Surely anyone with any knowledge of Tardises would know that the most likely form by far for a Tardis to take on Earth is a police box -- especialy a police box appearing suddenly in a time period where such boxes are no longer in use
@@ugolomb I like the theory that her mind was wiped by a chameleon arch or something similar to explain that, like maybe the TARDIS was kinda the trigger to get her to open her equivalent of the Fob watch and finally realize who she really was again, this theory could work with any fan theory of her further backstory of course so its perfect
I always thought that something about the events of the episode, that happened in the past, initiated a chain of events that let her learn about what a Tardis was.
i really don't think Mrs Flood is Anita. In Empire of Death, as she is about to get dusted with Cherry she says "tell your maker, i will come to storm down his gates of gold and seize his kingdom in my true name", unless she suddenly turns evil and gains god tier powers, i just don't see her being Anita
I actually think the theories about Mrs Flood being from another universe is better. The stickers on her briefcase aren't just the names of various locations that the Doctor has visited, but also filming locations of the show and a fan convention in Blackpool. The fact that she could be some kind of obsessed fan from a universe where Doctor Who is a TV show just like our own is pretty crazy.
I like this theory but I actually think the suitcase and stickers will prove to be nothing, a red herring. Half of the time, Moffat and Davies always drop plenty of red herrings and loose ends so that fans talk and create endless theories and content.
Well, the plastic TARDIS are on line "for some reason" in the very Doctor Who's universe, so this theory could work anyway. There was a Doctor Who fan even in the Big Finish's Omega.
its because this new series switching back to 1 again under a new distribution deal is being represented in a really overly meta way and Mrs.Flood is an amalgamation of everything that ruined dr.who and made it become what it is now..... or she is daughter of Omega.... the true end.
My gut still says she's an incarnation of River Song. The water motif is too strong for me to ignore. It does not explain how she got around having used up all her regenerations while saving the 11th Doctor, nor does it explain her then having been rescued from the Libary. But then again, if the Doctor can be granted new regenerations, then why can't she? And rescueing River Song from the archives of the Library would definitely make a good episode if you ask me. Heck, throw in a special fob watch and it does not even preclude her from being Anita or Mrs. Flood.
For me the most significant clue to Mrs Flood’s identity is that she didn’t recognise the TARDIS as a TARDIS until in dematerialised in front of her. That suggests she knows about Time Lords and TARDISes, but is not necessarily familiar the Doctor’s TARDIS. That would rule out Anita (who had a model of it), but Mrs Flood could be the time hotel’s owner/creator…
I was thinking about this, that nobody seems to be talking about, but I hadn't quite out all the pieces together that she had seen one or more different TARDISes, but never the Doctor's -- thanks
Yeah, that one detail blows apart almost every theory out there, but I count on one hand the number of times I've seen it mentioned, including the three of you in this thread.
Of course she recognises the tardis, theres a whole scene where shes camped outside the house giving knowing nods to the doctor and ruby all to do with the tardis. If you are referring to her lines about complaining about a police box being in the middle of the street that doesnt really suggest anything, it was just building on her character of being a gossipy stirrer lol.
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 In between those scenes she sees the TARDIS dematerialise, and stop short, dropping her shopping. But she looks more exasperated than confused.
When you talked about Mrs Flood's "cosplay" of the companions, she now reminds me of Osgood! Another case against the Anita theory is that the first time we saw Mrs Flood, she didn't recognize the TARDIS.
Mrs. Flood had a cameo on the proms where she said she saw her last concert in 1986. The same year as "trial of a Time Lord" where Mel is introduced. So my guess is that she is the Valeyard.
The main reason I don't think Mrs. Flood is Anita is Mrs. Flood's behavior with Cherry Sunday. Anita was shown to be a very human and empathetic character. Mrs. Flood is not. While I could see Anita being changed by working at the Time Hotel, it's hard to see her becoming that cold and aloof.
To be fair, she wasn't necessarily cruel to Cherry, more just blunt. If I remember correctly after Cherry asks for tea she says something like 'we all want a lot of things that aren't going to happen' which is true because then the entire universe gets killed by Sutekh. Even if Mrs Flood had tried to make Cherry a cup of tea, she would've died before it got made. However, when they come back to life, she's noticeably much kinder to Cherry, hugging her in a moment of joy. It's possible rather than a threat or a refusal to make a cup of tea she was just genuinely saying that it won't happen because Sutekh is about to kill everyone. Which would make sense because right after she says it she says that Sutekh waits no more.
Exactly. Not only do they have they have very different demeanours, but Anita also chose a career in customer service that involves making tea. Not to mention, if Mrs Flood had access to the Time Hotel, she could have used it to escape Sutekh.
Now that's a good theory! Makes far more sense than anything else, especially that slight feeling that you can't trust her even before she showed her true colors. Also yeah she definitely gives off CEO vibes and with the current state of the world and evil billionaire is the perfect baddie.
Yes i like this! Ive been feeling like vilengard is going to be a big finale plot for maybe ncutis final seaon, we keep hearing them but no big deal made of them yet so I feel like they are coming
I love this theory, but I think she would work best as a sort of companion that works from home (or the hotel) - maybe even like a bestie version of River. Now that this doctor has finally learned to take the time to look after himself, it would make a lot of sense that he would retreat to the hotel for a few days and to hang out with Anita after a couple of adventures. Completely platonic, and it could also be a great way to add small scenes with them or even be the introduction of post-credit scenes where we cut to them talking, gossiping and relaxing, and the combination of these clips could add up to be hints to what’s coming next or a solution the Doctor was looking for? Long shot, but I like the idea of it in my head 😊
Mrs. Flood may not be the *god* of time necessarily, but she is at the very least an *entity* of time, created by the Doctor's memories and regrets relating to their previous companions (hence her name "Flood" ie. "memories come flooding back", as well as her costume references to specifically previous companions). The Toymaker already made the Doctor (at least partially) confront his failures with his past companions, and Mrs. Flood is a continuation of that idea. The "Anita" connection is, probably, just a coincidence.
Flood is the Will and Memory of the TARDIS. That's my theory. As for not recognizing The TARDIS until Seeing it Move, with that lovely sound, well... Would you recognize clothes you wore when you were an infant?
Amy POND. RIVER Song. Now Mrs FLOOD. Not sure if there's a connection there. Anita could be Mrs Flood, it makes sense. However, this could have been built into the show to be a redherring.
Melody Pond, River Song, Harmony Flood maybe? She could be River somehow still existed, changing her name like Melody did to escape the end of her timeline. The kast time RIVER SONG could see the doctor was the library, but a different name prevents that. I mean, if the Master can escape death despite having seemingly no chance to regenerate, River likely could have figured a way, or the doctor did eventually upon seeing Mrs.Flood was future River and he knew to do something to give her another chance at life, but then knew he also had to abandon her, as it was set in stone he couldn't be there for her until she was the elderly Mrs.Flood, which she might never know that was why until whatever story leads to the doctor discovering her identity leading to her being saved from certain death by the Doctor, thus ensuring time stays intact. After all, we've seen River got bitter after only a few decades without him before reuniting with him as 12. Imagine one or even multiple lifetimes, regeneration after regeneration, without the doctor ever looking for her. It'd make her livid, and wanna get revenge. Each regeneration more spiteful than the last
My theory: Mrs. Flood is dressing up as companions from eras in which something or someone is returning in the new era. Romana is from the 4th doctors' era which is when he encountered Sutehk. If true, something from the 11th and 12th doctors' eras should be returning.
Mr Benn was also a 1970’s BBC kids animation, voted one of the top British children shows of all time as it was repeated for nearly 30 years. Its premise, I kid you not, was that Mr Benn was a man famously attired in a BLACK SUIT & bowler hat. He would visit a costume shop (I’m really thinking that’s the route of the joy to the world shop reference), where it’s mysterious owner would rent him an outfit (such as a Knight, Caveman,Pirate, Chef) & then step through A DOOR and be transported to a world where he could effectively role play the costume. It lines up to me as a likely inspiration for Mrs Flood’s companions cos-play. If the inspiration runs its full course then what if The Time Hotel itself is time lord technology, which is how the doors are able to work. The place is a TARDIS & the black suited individual… is Mrs Flood, a new incarnation of Missy.
Ha, that reminds me of Terror of the Autons where a funny guy in black suit and bowler hat appears in mid air, and turns out to be a Time Lord, got there to warn the Doctor about the Master...
Then there's the earrings, they look the same. There's the whole Bad Wolf and Clara things; one person being split and is everywhere trying to help in crucial moments. I wouldn't put it past the writers to use this trope again. or we could all be wrong and she just a Time Travel Guide Writer! Someone has to write those pamphlets and books for the hotel.
Similar to Douglas Adams. Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. Ohhh. That's a good theory I remember Adams also worked on Doctor Who a long time ago too. Anything is possible
@@kadosho02the lost Doctor Who story Shada (not very much lost now, there is a wealth of different versions around...), which plot was used in The Dirk Gently Holistic Detective Agency, had a Ford Prefect joke...
The one big thing against this theory is that it would mean all that time theorizing last season was a waste, because we had no idea this character even existed.
Tbf, I wouldn't really mind if this was the case. It's obvious that seasons 1 and 2 were always meant to be basically 1 long season, and honestly, I really don't want Mrs Flood to be an old character returning. Sure, she could be a god, but that's kinda boring, tbh because no matter what she's the god of, she's still just another god. Can't really top the 'god of all gods' that we already had. I actually love the idea of her being a twisted version of Anita because it's a new character that the fanbase really likes, and it's perfect for a new story.
I have a feeling that Mrs Flood is a red herring of sorts. All throughout the previous season, it was teased all over the place that more would be revealed about her as the season progressed and all we really got was that scene in Empire Of Death where she kind of menaced Rubys grandmother then that final scene where she spoke to the audience making a vague comment on the Doctors future.
Anita may already be more than meets the eye. She did not bat an eyelash at the odd ass situation going on when she delivered the towels. Maybe she just saw other things in the world unlike Donna who managed to miss everything. Maybe there is some significance to her huh whatever response.
Agreed! I found Anita's reaction super off especially when the Doctor went into the honeymoon suite and she was just casually watching and chillin' in the corner.
Surely, the reference to Mr Benn's costume shop is a reference to the BBC TV pre-school series, Mr Benn? i.e. the red suit of armour in the window. Each week Mr Benn would go into the shop, try on a costume in the changing room and then open another door to go and have an adventure in a time zone related to that costume. So, is Mr Benn part of Doctor Who cannon now? Since the shop keeper wore a fez, does that mean he was the Doctor all along?
Yes of course it's a reference to Mr Benn the TV series (Ellie mentioned that in the easter eggs video), but it could also explain how Mrs Flood gets all her unique costumes, as Ellie states here
I personally think the shopkeeper from the Mr Benn show was also the Shopkeeper from the Sarah Jane Adventures, rather than the Doctor. His time windows could be related to the time hotel, possibly an earlier version of the technology.
I feel there is a high possibility that Anita is Mrs. Flood. They have similar facial features, body type, etc. Loved Anita in the Christmas special. Cheerio.
I still think she's the Pantehon's version of the Narrator, or Watcher etc. But her similarity to Anita could now be folded into the "feels like a companion" theory. After a year I think Anita now qualifies.
If this is true, if this is true, that means that all through the writing of Season 1, RTD had no idea who Mrs Flood was. It's the street sign on Ruby Road all over again.
I'm still all in on my Library theory. I think Anita is possibly Charlotte Lux (and the little girl from Boom) which would explain why she didn't seem surprised by the stuff at the start. That said, she could still go on to also be Mrs. Flood. I've mentioned several other things like the sonic being like a remote but the "chair time" is also very similar to Doctor Moon's therapy sessions. Plus, if there is a Moffat spinoff in the works, a tales from the library style of anthology would be incredible!
Mrs Flood may be the woman who picked up the Toy Makers tooth that contained The Master at the end of the episode of the bi-generation of the Doctor. I bet she's connected to The Master.
HI I Noticed Paradise Towers on the Suitcase, May be the Doctor told Anita about Paradise Towers , also top right of the suitcase, There's a sticker that looks like The Singing Towers of Darillium
I suspect Mrs Flood could be a new and latest regeneration of The Rani because a flood can be caused by too much rain and it's an anagram of Rani. RAIN = RANI Or, a new Missy because we've been FOOLED before, remove the E and rearrange the remaining letters of FOOLED and you're left with FLOOD and only missing the letters E - Miss E (Missy) RTD loves his anagrams and wordplay in the Season Finales.
sure or river song because river, flood water. like you can in circles with this stuff because rtd is doing this on purpose. he throws in all these references and suggestions to get people engaged a theorising. BUT at the end of the day it isnt going to be any of these things because that is too obvious and its going to be some nonsense like we got with rubys mum or susan twist or bad wolf.. a whole lot of unrelated nonsense
I think Mrs. Flood is the mind of The Beast a.k.a. The Devil because of the things she was saying to Ruby's foster mother before turning to dust during The Empire of Death. It was very Book of Revelations in its wording.
She's the master. Moffat read the scripts dues to the Missy and Clara connections. The Master saw the toy maker taunt the doctor about companions and took that to run with it. Early in the church on ruby road she didn't seem to know about the doctor and the tardis and then she did. That's when the master took on the disguise.
In the finale of season one, in the scene with Mrs Flood and Cherry Sunday, Mrs Flood asks Cherry if she believed in the power of prayer. When Cherry replied yes Mrs Flood then said " When you see your maker then tell him I will storm his golden gates in my true name". This indicates that she is possibly a demon from the Abramic tradition. Then again it is a possibility that Mrs Flood is one of the Toymakers legion that he indicated was coming in the Giggle
The only other theory of who's been to all those places on the suitcase is the TARDIS herself could Mrs flood be another physical version of the TARDIS like in the episode the doctor's wife or could even Mrs flood be a future version of the doctor for some reason
... hmmm... your comment made me think: maybe she is an incarnation of a TARDIS... but maybe not the Doctor's TARDIS... perhaps the Master's TARDIS. Also, I kind of want the diner we see in the Season 2 trailer to turn out to be the TARDIS taken by Clara and Me/Ashildr. It won't be, but I would be amused if it was.
If Mrs Flood *is* the TARDIS, I am utterly terrified at the thought of finding out how one "gets inside" her. 😳😬 Remember kids, this is "a family show"! "Bigger on the inside" jokes are wholly inappropriate here!🤭😉
I don't think it's her, but it's a strong argument. Also, if Sutekh can go from being an advance alien to a true god of death, and Captain Jack can go from a human to the face of Boe, then I could see them coming up with a way to make Anita a powerful being.
I wasn't convinced the theory was a good one until the idea of Mrs Flood becoming Ruby's neighbour. I still prefer the God of Stories theory, which gives an in-universe explanation for the fourth wall breaking. Also... what if they're both correct? What if as the God of Stories she set herself up as Anita to learn all the stories of the Doctor over that year in the hotel?
I like this idea. I'm Team God-of-Stories for Mrs Flood, and having her become Anita to learn the Doctor's stories is good. So Mrs Flood 'became' Anita rather than 'is' Anita
Hmm, the Flood (Noah), the end of days style of speech, being an older character, time travel, not knowing the appearance of the Doctor's Tardis, the references to the Trial of a Timelord era, etc. All hint to me about the classic Who origins of time travel and the Gallifreyans. Not Rassilon or Omega, but perhaps The Other?
@JamesA1102 AND she's still an incarnation of Melody Pond/River Song that Three and Four *never noticed* during the Classic Series run. The affair with Benton was just a tragic cry for help!
Anita’s first interaction seemed like she already worked for the Time Hotel. Didn’t flinch at the scaly person, and seemed to be using the towels as an excuse to watch everything
I think it is the master come back and tried to live a normal non time lord form. Mrs Flood/The Master after the power of the doctor the master broke back into Gallfray did that mined sleep thing and made everyone forget. Then regenerate into Mrs Flood. Got a Tardis. Then went to earth on the 24/12/2004. To try and get revenge because after The Doctor won and the master lost. The Daleks and The Cybermen went to kill the mater. To 'hide my self away' is the theory I just put.
@@sabrinatirabassi3529 kind of so when the toy maker *didn't exist* some one piced up the tooth were problely not going to know but I think it was ither mistro to keap it but when she got sucked into that piano to tooth let the master go but got mistro stuck or it was that lady from ? episode that piked
The fact is, let's assume Mrs Flood is Anita. Well, that still isn't "enough"...? I mean, what would she be doing throughout time other than randomly stalking the Doctor? Doesn't seem to be two-parter season-finale material. It would make sense if she was in any way connected to the Pantheon while being Anita, like a sleeping form of a God. I think that Ruby's story not being over connects into this, for example her hidden song hasn't been addressed yet, and it could be something that links Mrs Flood/Anita, Ruby and a third character (Belinda?) into one of the deities described by Harbinger in the summoning chant for Sutekh. Also, c'mon, RTD has proved he's one step ahead of us by giving us exactly what we expect and then adding in something nobody in their right mind would ever imagine because too random to make sense: this is definitely the case. 😂
I like the Anita + Flood theory. The only part of it that is a hiccup for me is the companion costumes. If we assume the connection to Benn's costume shop is true, how does she know the appearance of these costumes? How can she replicate something that she has no frame of reference for?
I feel like the fact she said "meet your maker" means she isnt human and anita is human, also how she was horrible such as not giving cherry her tea and anita isnt a horrible person
Anita WASN’T a horrible person. Who’s to say that working at the time hotel where she would have seen the worst of humanity throughout history,hasn’t soured her?
I have an idea. What if Anita is like how Susan was? A person who has no idea they're part of a grand plan who kind of "unlocks" after working at the Time Hotel. I don't exactly know how to word that, so sorry if that's confusing
only flaw i see is that if RTD has his own idea/concept of who Mrs. Flood was, that would have to be thrown away to make Anita Dunn work, since that was a Moffat creation. Unless RTD planned on having a young Mrs. Flood introduced sometime in the future and "gave" that idea to Moffat.
@@sabrinatirabassi3529 No, if you watch the behind the scenes stuff from series 1 RTD introduced him to change the Doctor/Rose dynamic and to bring in a character who could be shown with weapons.
My neighbour wondered if Mrs Flood was the adopted daughter of Amy and Rory ? Not too sure about that one........... There have been so many, many theories about Mrs Flood - The White Guardian, a God of somekind from the Pantheon, even heard somewhere she could be related to the Master, Jenny from 'The Doctors Daughter............. My own theory is that I am confused by so many theories !!
Mr Benns costume shop, has to be a nod to "Mr Benn" that I used to watch, he would go to the shop, or his cupboard, put on some clothes and become that thing for the day. For example a caveman or astronaut. I don't expect most of you to remember, as I'm 46, and it was when I was a child. But that really does seem plausible.
I am loving all the theories about Mrs Flood! Whoever she is, there's no question but Anita Dobson is a fabulous actor. And she's obviously having a lot of fun in this role. Is she a time traveller? A god? Nothing would surprise me. I mean, it's ANITA DOBSON!
Interesting fact!!! Mr Benn is a childrens show from the 70s about a man who when he goes into a costume shop to try on a costume he is able to travel in time. Puts on a cowboy costume, travels to the wild west. Puts on a space suit, goes into space. ETC. Mr Benn was Narrated by Ray Brooks. Ray Brooks stared in the 1966 film "Daleks' Invasion Earth 2150 A.D" Another Doctor Who connection.
Because she had never seen the TARDIS in real life before. After it dematerialised she realised oh snap! That's the Doctor's police box. I just went to check the Church on Ruby Road to be sure and she never sees the Doctor until she sees the TARDIS disappear so it all clicks.
she doesn't know why a police box has been parked right outside her house and complains about it. there's no way she didn't realise that a random police box showing up outside her house wasn't the tardis.
7:25 - If you are of certain age you will remember books and a cartoon in the 1967 - 1972 called Mr Benn. It was about man that would visit a fancy-dress shop. He would pick a costume and enter a magic door and end up in a world matching the costume he was wearing (dressed as a gladiator he would be in ancient Rome). He would have some sort of magical adventure. At the end of the adventure he would return to the door and end up back in the fancy-dress shop...... until the next adventure where he would dress as something different like a knight, Wizard, spaceman and so on.
Now I didn't think or want Ruby's mum to be anyone "important", but RTD set up a mystery just to give it no pay off. So yeah I'm done with thinking any mystery on Dr. Who will have a satisfying payoff.
I don't think it's anita because she didn't recognize THE TARDIS, she recognized A TARDIS. If Anita had set up by Ruby to find The Doctor she would have assumed it was him the minute a police box was in front of her house, but she didn't put it together until she saw it dematerialize
Professor Chronotis another renegade Time Lord appears both in Shada and the Dirk Gently stories of Douglas Adams has a Tardis that always appears as a door, either in a wall or sometimes as just a door in a frame standing in open spaces Moffat is known to acknowledge Adams as an inspiration and mentor, and he may be paying tribute to Douglas Adams and his most famous quote “The single raindrop never feels responsible for the flood.”
@LenHazell Hang on a mo… Douglas Adams' most famous quote was "The single raindrop never feels responsible for the flood"? A profound statement to be sure but *most famous*? No. How about… "Don't Panic"? Surely those two word written in "large, friendly letters" on the cover of the H2G2 are far more famous. Even Marvin's common comment "I have this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side" is more famous if not quite as profound. "Share and enjoy!"
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I like to hope it's a regeneration of Romana who somehow found her way back from the parallel universe. From one episode: Mrs. Flood did say that she’s always “hiding away”. And, in the same episode, The Doctor tells Ruby that Time Lords change their faces to “hide themselves away.”
I mean, I just could not wrap my head around all the Mrs. Flood scenes and how she didn't recognise the TARDIS until she did (that was the most intriguing mystery surrounding her to me, like how come she doesn't recognise it and then she does..) so immediately when I heard Anita's name in Joy to the World I was like NOOO :O and then everything clicked into place and it's the perfect explanation for Mrs. Flood recognising TARDIS only after it dematerialises as she'd never seen it before in real life. As someone who is not a big fan of the pantheon (like there always needs be some sort of deus ex machina to get rid of them which gets old pretty quickly) I am thrilled to believe Anita really is Mrs. Flood. She may not be a god (for which I thank the gods haha) but she is nothing close to ordinary. Anita is clearly someone who is very strong willed and does not flinch away when crazy stuff happens. She is a bit of a chaos enjoyer I would say as we see her just watching and chillin' when the Doctor goes to that honeymoon suite when a normal hotel worker would be like no you can't go in there there are people in that room right now or be like sorry sorry sorry. But Anita? No way! She's here for the show. She is a very strong character and since Mrs. Flood clearly has some crazy plans in motion Anita is the perfect gal determined and strong enough to execute them.
Okay, here's the thing: Anita and Mrs. Flood CANNOT be the same person, purely on genetic grounds: Mrs. Flood has blue eyes while Anita's eyes are brown. The same is true for Clara (brown eyes) and Susan (also brown eyes). However, in Susan's case we have to consider the Time Lord propensity to change their entire appearance during regeneration. But I still don't believe that Mrs. Flood and Susan are the same person, as I think Susan will turn out to be the Rani...IF they ever let those two characters back into the show. However, River Song's eyes are also blue (as opposed to her mother's green eyes), so this might be River after having her regenerations restored.
Eye color can not be used to determine anything for sure. Both parent's genes facter into the equation. You only get 50% of your mother's DNA and 50% from your father. And both those 50 percentages are random.
Frankly we are made to think to that Ruby's mother was such a huge impossibility or something only to be revealed that she was just a normal human mother. The clear alternate that we don't get to see yet is that when all those other people are looking up into Ruby's parentage and they are actually shocked about the father.
Great video, it got me thinking 👍👍👍👍 I've not watched an episode of Doctor Who since The Woman Who Fell to Earth, but this video caught my eye, so I'm going to make two suggestions from a complete blank slate. Flood: A torrent of water (some might call it a fast-flowing River...). So I'm going to link that to the two other water-based names which come to mind: River Song and Amy Pond. So I'm going to suggest that Mrs. Flood may, in some way, be connected to either of them. In the past, the Doctor and the Master have both been given new regeneration cycles (and Rassilon has simply reappeared without notice) so might River have been regenerated by the Time Lords or the Sisterhood of Karn? My immediate thought seeing the blue door, was that she may be a future-incarnation of the Doctor. As for Mr. Benn's Costume Shop... I loved that cartoon as a kid, so that reference, and seeing the Red Knight's armor in the window, that got a nod of satisfaction from me. But as an adult, the show took on a whole new dimension. Mr. Benn, the seemingly straight-laced city gent, goes into an honest costume shop on his lunchbreak, tries on a costume, drops LSD in the changing-room, then trips out while the poor shopkeeper is trying to run a business... A very sordid state of affairs... But now I think about it, the shopkeeper wore a fez, and, I know a certain someone who thought fez's were cool... Perhaps the Doctor spends the latter part of a regeneration taking things easy, running a costume shop rather than saving the universe, with some aspect of the TARDIS's technology hooked up to the changing room... Perhaps Mr. Benn wasn't dropping LSD at all, but inadvertently found himself going on adventures, while the Doctor stayed back minding the shop, chuckling at whatever Mr. Benn had gotten himself into... I might have to consider starting to watch the show again; the Doctor and I are like two friends who go ages without seeing each other, then pick up again where we left off, before once more going our own ways for a while until the next meeting...
Either Anita is Mrs Flood OR she's companion number 3. Ruby (Shade of Red) -> Belinda (Medical Connection) -> Anita (Christmas Special between companion 1 and 2) matches Rose -> Martha -> Donna. I hope she's not Mrs Flood
Mrs. Flood is Ellie from the future. She traveled back in time to get revenge on the show for never bringing back River Song.
I almost read that as “Mrs. Flood is Ellie from WhoCulture”
@@cozyvrc That's what I meant.
Yet.
@@joshreynolds3934 I know I know, I just thought it was funny that my brain autofilled with her intro
@@cozyvrc lol!
One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is that Anita has a blue car and there is a blue car parked outside Mrs. Flood's home. You can see it in The Church on Ruby Road. I thought at the time that it was a reference to Donna's car, but it could also support this theory 😁
@@oathgroved could she be the TARDIS with a human form
@@nodatastored684not sure they'd want to bring back the Gaiman epsiode in that way so soon tbh
All whovians have blue cars! No? Is it just me? I don’t even buy cars of any other color, they are all named TARDIS 😅
@@LilMnstR85colour*
@@nodatastored684Interesting concept I never thought of that thank you
7:57 there was an animated children’s show made in the early 1970s called Mr Benn, where the main character went into the same costume shop in every episode and tried a different costume each time, and was transported to the period in time the costume represented
That's exactly what I thought. I thought it was just a reference to the 1970s cartoon.
Good shout! Don't remember the shop having a name but the shop keeper did wear a Fez, which is a nice little tie-in with Dr Who.
@ when I saw it at Christmas, that was my first thought, that somehow Mr Benn was suddenly in the Dr Who universe, or the shop in Mr Benn was in the Whoniverse and more specifically somehow linked to the Time Hotel
It was, also, a book series! Yeah, whether her last name ends up being significant to the story or not, the Mr. Benn reference is absolutely intentional!!
yeah, they brought this up in the easter eggs debrief of the episode
It's worth noting that Mrs flood was not in the Christmas episode. She seemed a little conspicuous by her absence. So maybe she wasn't absent.
She did turn up at the 2024 Proms, at which she had a lot of fun teasing the audience.
This is the strongest argument for either Anita or the time hotel being connected to Mrs Flood.
Two reasons against it. First Floods line about “I had such plans for this world” as she dies from Sutekh and then she didn’t recognize the doctor the first time she sees him last Christmas. And I think the sudden appearance of a blue box on her sidewalk wouldn’t be something she blamed on that neighbor nor would the dematerialization.
One puzzle that bothered me is, what being would reside on Earth, know what a Tardis is, yet not recognize *immediately* that an out-of-place blue police box is almost certainly the Doctor's Tardis? Surely anyone with any knowledge of Tardises would know that the most likely form by far for a Tardis to take on Earth is a police box -- especialy a police box appearing suddenly in a time period where such boxes are no longer in use
@@ugolomb I like the theory that her mind was wiped by a chameleon arch or something similar to explain that, like maybe the TARDIS was kinda the trigger to get her to open her equivalent of the Fob watch and finally realize who she really was again, this theory could work with any fan theory of her further backstory of course so its perfect
I always thought that something about the events of the episode, that happened in the past, initiated a chain of events that let her learn about what a Tardis was.
Maybe she hadn't seen the TARDIS in person before, and forgot the fine details what the Doctor looked like.
That is what I can here to say!
I want a spin off about the Time hotel with Anita as the manager. It could almost be a scifi sitcom kinda spinoff.
Genuinely considering writing into Russell T and asking him if I can start a rough draft for a comic or another ep on Martha’s spin off lmao
LOVE this idea
Cool idea
omg THIS!!!!
Audiences: We want more Anita
BBC: More unit?
Audience: More Anita.
BBC: War between the Land and Sea, gotcha!
i really don't think Mrs Flood is Anita. In Empire of Death, as she is about to get dusted with Cherry she says "tell your maker, i will come to storm down his gates of gold and seize his kingdom in my true name", unless she suddenly turns evil and gains god tier powers, i just don't see her being Anita
That makes a lot of sense. Unless perhaps she was possessed by another being? Good point though.
Honestly, I forgot about this line, and yeah, that makes sense.
So Mrs Flood dressing up as former companions is like fangirl borderline stalking
@@tlyoung88I think you may have just hit the nail on the head as it were.
When I first heard the Anita/Mrs Flood theory, I too thought back to Mrs Flood being a ‘supreme being’. Sometimes humans are just humans.
I actually think the theories about Mrs Flood being from another universe is better. The stickers on her briefcase aren't just the names of various locations that the Doctor has visited, but also filming locations of the show and a fan convention in Blackpool. The fact that she could be some kind of obsessed fan from a universe where Doctor Who is a TV show just like our own is pretty crazy.
Ace nearly saw the début episode of Doctor Who when she was in 1963.
I like this theory but I actually think the suitcase and stickers will prove to be nothing, a red herring. Half of the time, Moffat and Davies always drop plenty of red herrings and loose ends so that fans talk and create endless theories and content.
Well, the plastic TARDIS are on line "for some reason" in the very Doctor Who's universe, so this theory could work anyway. There was a Doctor Who fan even in the Big Finish's Omega.
Well Doctor Who is also a TV show within Doctor Who. Remembrance of the Daleks FTW
its because this new series switching back to 1 again under a new distribution deal is being represented in a really overly meta way and Mrs.Flood is an amalgamation of everything that ruined dr.who and made it become what it is now..... or she is daughter of Omega.... the true end.
My gut still says she's an incarnation of River Song. The water motif is too strong for me to ignore. It does not explain how she got around having used up all her regenerations while saving the 11th Doctor, nor does it explain her then having been rescued from the Libary.
But then again, if the Doctor can be granted new regenerations, then why can't she? And rescueing River Song from the archives of the Library would definitely make a good episode if you ask me. Heck, throw in a special fob watch and it does not even preclude her from being Anita or Mrs. Flood.
Do we even know that her regenerations have the same rules? She's not genetically a Time Lord.
@@patrickpablo217 That is a valid and interesting question...
The problem with this theory is that Alex wouldn't be the one to play River, so I don't accept it :(
For me the most significant clue to Mrs Flood’s identity is that she didn’t recognise the TARDIS as a TARDIS until in dematerialised in front of her. That suggests she knows about Time Lords and TARDISes, but is not necessarily familiar the Doctor’s TARDIS. That would rule out Anita (who had a model of it), but Mrs Flood could be the time hotel’s owner/creator…
I was thinking about this, that nobody seems to be talking about, but I hadn't quite out all the pieces together that she had seen one or more different TARDISes, but never the Doctor's -- thanks
Exactly I am so glad someone else noticed this, spot on !!❤
Yeah, that one detail blows apart almost every theory out there, but I count on one hand the number of times I've seen it mentioned, including the three of you in this thread.
Of course she recognises the tardis, theres a whole scene where shes camped outside the house giving knowing nods to the doctor and ruby all to do with the tardis. If you are referring to her lines about complaining about a police box being in the middle of the street that doesnt really suggest anything, it was just building on her character of being a gossipy stirrer lol.
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 In between those scenes she sees the TARDIS dematerialise, and stop short, dropping her shopping. But she looks more exasperated than confused.
Callling it now. Screencap this. Mrs. Flood is the Master.
When you talked about Mrs Flood's "cosplay" of the companions, she now reminds me of Osgood! Another case against the Anita theory is that the first time we saw Mrs Flood, she didn't recognize the TARDIS.
Mrs. Flood had a cameo on the proms where she said she saw her last concert in 1986. The same year as "trial of a Time Lord" where Mel is introduced. So my guess is that she is the Valeyard.
that would be so cool
This would also explain why she has all those suitcase labels of places where the Doctor was - She was there - as him
And why her costumes look like past companions
That’s a joke about her husband being Brian May the guitarist in the band Queen and them playing their most famous concert that year 😂
@@lewisgodden1488yes the Brian May joke makes so much sense at the Proms Concert. It's a joke for music fans, not general Dr Who fans
What happens when a River swells beyond it’s constraints, it becomes a Flood
Am I reading this right? Should we write a song about it?
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Thats one of my theories. I also just think Miss Flood is too dark to he Anita, she has some very ominous lines so far.
That's my thought as well.
Melody Pond
River Song
Mrs. Flood
I can see a possibility that River got out of the Library simulation somehow.
@@gtkaparos Image a "Corrupted" image of River Song being unleashed
The main reason I don't think Mrs. Flood is Anita is Mrs. Flood's behavior with Cherry Sunday. Anita was shown to be a very human and empathetic character. Mrs. Flood is not. While I could see Anita being changed by working at the Time Hotel, it's hard to see her becoming that cold and aloof.
To be fair, she wasn't necessarily cruel to Cherry, more just blunt. If I remember correctly after Cherry asks for tea she says something like 'we all want a lot of things that aren't going to happen' which is true because then the entire universe gets killed by Sutekh. Even if Mrs Flood had tried to make Cherry a cup of tea, she would've died before it got made. However, when they come back to life, she's noticeably much kinder to Cherry, hugging her in a moment of joy. It's possible rather than a threat or a refusal to make a cup of tea she was just genuinely saying that it won't happen because Sutekh is about to kill everyone. Which would make sense because right after she says it she says that Sutekh waits no more.
Exactly. Not only do they have they have very different demeanours, but Anita also chose a career in customer service that involves making tea.
Not to mention, if Mrs Flood had access to the Time Hotel, she could have used it to escape Sutekh.
I think Mrs. Flood is actually in charge of Villengrad
Now that's a good theory! Makes far more sense than anything else, especially that slight feeling that you can't trust her even before she showed her true colors. Also yeah she definitely gives off CEO vibes and with the current state of the world and evil billionaire is the perfect baddie.
Yes i like this! Ive been feeling like vilengard is going to be a big finale plot for maybe ncutis final seaon, we keep hearing them but no big deal made of them yet so I feel like they are coming
but how would the boss of villengard know that sutekh is coming, “he waits no more”, there’d have to be more to it right?
@merryharrypop true, but everyone knew sutekh was coming even the meep, how would he know 🤣
@ did he say that too? i thought he said “wait till i tell the boss”, was sutekh the boss lol?
I love this theory, but I think she would work best as a sort of companion that works from home (or the hotel) - maybe even like a bestie version of River. Now that this doctor has finally learned to take the time to look after himself, it would make a lot of sense that he would retreat to the hotel for a few days and to hang out with Anita after a couple of adventures. Completely platonic, and it could also be a great way to add small scenes with them or even be the introduction of post-credit scenes where we cut to them talking, gossiping and relaxing, and the combination of these clips could add up to be hints to what’s coming next or a solution the Doctor was looking for? Long shot, but I like the idea of it in my head 😊
that’s such a great idea! that would be so lovely, I loved Anita in the special! i really hope we get more of her
4:59 *"We assume that the Time Hotel is how Mrs Flood is getting around..."* Poor Mr Flood 😥
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Never assume - if you do, you tend to make an ASS out of U and ME.
Perhaps Mr Flood was a victim of the Time War.
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Mrs. Flood may not be the *god* of time necessarily, but she is at the very least an *entity* of time, created by the Doctor's memories and regrets relating to their previous companions (hence her name "Flood" ie. "memories come flooding back", as well as her costume references to specifically previous companions). The Toymaker already made the Doctor (at least partially) confront his failures with his past companions, and Mrs. Flood is a continuation of that idea. The "Anita" connection is, probably, just a coincidence.
Flood is the Will and Memory of the TARDIS. That's my theory. As for not recognizing The TARDIS until Seeing it Move, with that lovely sound, well... Would you recognize clothes you wore when you were an infant?
Amy POND. RIVER Song. Now Mrs FLOOD. Not sure if there's a connection there. Anita could be Mrs Flood, it makes sense. However, this could have been built into the show to be a redherring.
Melody Pond, River Song, Harmony Flood maybe? She could be River somehow still existed, changing her name like Melody did to escape the end of her timeline. The kast time RIVER SONG could see the doctor was the library, but a different name prevents that. I mean, if the Master can escape death despite having seemingly no chance to regenerate, River likely could have figured a way, or the doctor did eventually upon seeing Mrs.Flood was future River and he knew to do something to give her another chance at life, but then knew he also had to abandon her, as it was set in stone he couldn't be there for her until she was the elderly Mrs.Flood, which she might never know that was why until whatever story leads to the doctor discovering her identity leading to her being saved from certain death by the Doctor, thus ensuring time stays intact. After all, we've seen River got bitter after only a few decades without him before reuniting with him as 12. Imagine one or even multiple lifetimes, regeneration after regeneration, without the doctor ever looking for her. It'd make her livid, and wanna get revenge. Each regeneration more spiteful than the last
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Russell T Davies said that he took Mrs floods name from a character in an old comedy show.
and Amy Pond was a redhair-ed.
@@DanBen07Rule 1: Showrunner lies
My theory: Mrs. Flood is dressing up as companions from eras in which something or someone is returning in the new era. Romana is from the 4th doctors' era which is when he encountered Sutehk. If true, something from the 11th and 12th doctors' eras should be returning.
Valenguard?
Dreamlord?
Well, prisoner zero was on the newspaper. And a Silurian was manager of the hotel. Wonder if there's a 12 easter egg somewhere...
No, the 4th Doctor met Sutek during Sarah Jane's era. Romana arrived a couple of years later.
Mr Benn was also a 1970’s BBC kids animation, voted one of the top British children shows of all time as it was repeated for nearly 30 years. Its premise, I kid you not, was that Mr Benn was a man famously attired in a BLACK SUIT & bowler hat. He would visit a costume shop (I’m really thinking that’s the route of the joy to the world shop reference), where it’s mysterious owner would rent him an outfit (such as a Knight, Caveman,Pirate, Chef) & then step through A DOOR and be transported to a world where he could effectively role play the costume. It lines up to me as a likely inspiration for Mrs Flood’s companions cos-play. If the inspiration runs its full course then what if The Time Hotel itself is time lord technology, which is how the doors are able to work. The place is a TARDIS & the black suited individual… is Mrs Flood, a new incarnation of Missy.
Ha, that reminds me of Terror of the Autons where a funny guy in black suit and bowler hat appears in mid air, and turns out to be a Time Lord, got there to warn the Doctor about the Master...
na this reference was literally put there because of how similar the time hotel worked compared to that tv show
Nice theory, thank you so much. Mrs Flood's door is number 4 and Mrs Flood is always breaking the 4th wall...😅
Could she be the 4th Doctor/Curator?
@@vultan2000 why would the 4th doctor haunt his own timeline lmao
@@7SillySins Fair enough, I was grasping at straws by pushing the ‘4’ reference to its illogical conclusion! 😆
@@7SillySinsand why not? Maybe she has something timey-wimey and secret about him to do...
Then there's the earrings, they look the same.
There's the whole Bad Wolf and Clara things; one person being split and is everywhere trying to help in crucial moments. I wouldn't put it past the writers to use this trope again.
or we could all be wrong and she just a Time Travel Guide Writer! Someone has to write those pamphlets and books for the hotel.
Similar to Douglas Adams. Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. Ohhh. That's a good theory
I remember Adams also worked on Doctor Who a long time ago too. Anything is possible
@@kadosho02The Doctor has claimed to have met Arthur Dent.
Totally plausible! Good one!
Wish we could see Ford Prefect drop by and say hallo...
@@kadosho02the lost Doctor Who story Shada (not very much lost now, there is a wealth of different versions around...), which plot was used in The Dirk Gently Holistic Detective Agency, had a Ford Prefect joke...
The one big thing against this theory is that it would mean all that time theorizing last season was a waste, because we had no idea this character even existed.
That is not really against it because RTD would LOVE to throw a spanner in the works just like that!
Tbf, I wouldn't really mind if this was the case. It's obvious that seasons 1 and 2 were always meant to be basically 1 long season, and honestly, I really don't want Mrs Flood to be an old character returning. Sure, she could be a god, but that's kinda boring, tbh because no matter what she's the god of, she's still just another god. Can't really top the 'god of all gods' that we already had. I actually love the idea of her being a twisted version of Anita because it's a new character that the fanbase really likes, and it's perfect for a new story.
Tiney wimey. There's a bigger flaw anyway, and all that theorizing was fun so never a waste.
That flaw is mrs flood can break the 4th wall
We met River Song before Melody Pond was born.
@@KadeSmashthe 4th Doctor did it twice at least and the 1st Doctor did it once.
I have a feeling that Mrs Flood is a red herring of sorts. All throughout the previous season, it was teased all over the place that more would be revealed about her as the season progressed and all we really got was that scene in Empire Of Death where she kind of menaced Rubys grandmother then that final scene where she spoke to the audience making a vague comment on the Doctors future.
Anita may already be more than meets the eye. She did not bat an eyelash at the odd ass situation going on when she delivered the towels. Maybe she just saw other things in the world unlike Donna who managed to miss everything. Maybe there is some significance to her huh whatever response.
Agreed! I found Anita's reaction super off especially when the Doctor went into the honeymoon suite and she was just casually watching and chillin' in the corner.
If this means we got more Anita, then this might be a revelation that actually works and would be pretty satisfying
Surely, the reference to Mr Benn's costume shop is a reference to the BBC TV pre-school series, Mr Benn? i.e. the red suit of armour in the window. Each week Mr Benn would go into the shop, try on a costume in the changing room and then open another door to go and have an adventure in a time zone related to that costume. So, is Mr Benn part of Doctor Who cannon now? Since the shop keeper wore a fez, does that mean he was the Doctor all along?
Ellie did mention Mr Ben being a TV show in a previous video.
Yes of course it's a reference to Mr Benn the TV series (Ellie mentioned that in the easter eggs video), but it could also explain how Mrs Flood gets all her unique costumes, as Ellie states here
I personally think the shopkeeper from the Mr Benn show was also the Shopkeeper from the Sarah Jane Adventures, rather than the Doctor. His time windows could be related to the time hotel, possibly an earlier version of the technology.
I feel there is a high possibility that Anita is Mrs. Flood. They have similar facial features, body type, etc. Loved Anita in the Christmas special. Cheerio.
I still think she's the Pantehon's version of the Narrator, or Watcher etc. But her similarity to Anita could now be folded into the "feels like a companion" theory. After a year I think Anita now qualifies.
I can see the Time Hotel having a room in New New York and on other planets in human space but Clom, for example, is a head scratcher.
If this is true, if this is true, that means that all through the writing of Season 1, RTD had no idea who Mrs Flood was.
It's the street sign on Ruby Road all over again.
I'm still all in on my Library theory. I think Anita is possibly Charlotte Lux (and the little girl from Boom) which would explain why she didn't seem surprised by the stuff at the start. That said, she could still go on to also be Mrs. Flood. I've mentioned several other things like the sonic being like a remote but the "chair time" is also very similar to Doctor Moon's therapy sessions.
Plus, if there is a Moffat spinoff in the works, a tales from the library style of anthology would be incredible!
Mrs flood is Ricky September
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It's like to see him survive, too.
Mrs Flood may be the woman who picked up the Toy Makers tooth that contained The Master at the end of the episode of the bi-generation of the Doctor. I bet she's connected to The Master.
See my post. I have my own idea. But it does fit in with Mrs Flood being the Master.
HI I Noticed Paradise Towers on the Suitcase, May be the Doctor told Anita about Paradise Towers , also top right of the suitcase, There's a sticker that looks like The Singing Towers of Darillium
I suspect Mrs Flood could be a new and latest regeneration of The Rani because a flood can be caused by too much rain and it's an anagram of Rani.
RAIN = RANI
Or, a new Missy because we've been FOOLED before, remove the E and rearrange the remaining letters of FOOLED and you're left with FLOOD and only missing the letters E - Miss E (Missy)
RTD loves his anagrams and wordplay in the Season Finales.
Anita Rani, the BBC radio journalist? 😂
sure or river song because river, flood water. like you can in circles with this stuff because rtd is doing this on purpose. he throws in all these references and suggestions to get people engaged a theorising. BUT at the end of the day it isnt going to be any of these things because that is too obvious and its going to be some nonsense like we got with rubys mum or susan twist or bad wolf.. a whole lot of unrelated nonsense
I think Mrs. Flood is the mind of The Beast a.k.a. The Devil because of the things she was saying to Ruby's foster mother before turning to dust during The Empire of Death. It was very Book of Revelations in its wording.
Mrs Flood being Anita would be both wild AND disappointing, for different reasons
What
Why ?
You need to elaborate...
Are we just going to ignore that she's married to a Doctor in real life? Sir Dr. Brian May?
Funny if this was "The Name of the Doctor"...
She's the master. Moffat read the scripts dues to the Missy and Clara connections. The Master saw the toy maker taunt the doctor about companions and took that to run with it. Early in the church on ruby road she didn't seem to know about the doctor and the tardis and then she did. That's when the master took on the disguise.
I can’t believe I’m not the only one who thought all this!
In the finale of season one, in the scene with Mrs Flood and Cherry Sunday, Mrs Flood asks Cherry if she believed in the power of prayer. When Cherry replied yes Mrs Flood then said " When you see your maker then tell him I will storm his golden gates in my true name". This indicates that she is possibly a demon from the Abramic tradition. Then again it is a possibility that Mrs Flood is one of the Toymakers legion that he indicated was coming in the Giggle
The only other theory of who's been to all those places on the suitcase is the TARDIS herself could Mrs flood be another physical version of the TARDIS like in the episode the doctor's wife or could even Mrs flood be a future version of the doctor for some reason
... hmmm... your comment made me think: maybe she is an incarnation of a TARDIS... but maybe not the Doctor's TARDIS... perhaps the Master's TARDIS.
Also, I kind of want the diner we see in the Season 2 trailer to turn out to be the TARDIS taken by Clara and Me/Ashildr. It won't be, but I would be amused if it was.
If Mrs Flood *is* the TARDIS, I am utterly terrified at the thought of finding out how one "gets inside" her. 😳😬
Remember kids, this is "a family show"! "Bigger on the inside" jokes are wholly inappropriate here!🤭😉
I like to think that Mrs. Flood is a Word Lord a counterpart of the Time Lords from another universe which are connected with words
The Word Lord was defeated by the 7th Doctor and Evelyn in A Death in the Family.
Isn't it entirely possible that she is just a future incarnation of the Doctor? The blue doors are for the Tardis.
I don't agree, but it's fun to jump down a rabbit hole now and again.
Her suitcase alone wins me to this idea. All those locations are accessible by the Time Hotel.
Except it’s only Time, not Space.
@@judithstrachan9399Everest, Orient Express, London, isn't this moving in space?
I don't think it's her, but it's a strong argument. Also, if Sutekh can go from being an advance alien to a true god of death, and Captain Jack can go from a human to the face of Boe, then I could see them coming up with a way to make Anita a powerful being.
I wasn't convinced the theory was a good one until the idea of Mrs Flood becoming Ruby's neighbour. I still prefer the God of Stories theory, which gives an in-universe explanation for the fourth wall breaking. Also... what if they're both correct? What if as the God of Stories she set herself up as Anita to learn all the stories of the Doctor over that year in the hotel?
I like this idea. I'm Team God-of-Stories for Mrs Flood, and having her become Anita to learn the Doctor's stories is good. So Mrs Flood 'became' Anita rather than 'is' Anita
@@shinjisan2015 god of stories …fairy godmother (Mary poppins outfit but in white- )
Hmm, the Flood (Noah), the end of days style of speech, being an older character, time travel, not knowing the appearance of the Doctor's Tardis, the references to the Trial of a Timelord era, etc. All hint to me about the classic Who origins of time travel and the Gallifreyans.
Not Rassilon or Omega, but perhaps The Other?
Mrs. Flood was the Brigadier’s Secretary back in the 80s and had an affair with Sergeant Benton.
Ooooh!
Nice...
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AND she's still an incarnation of Melody Pond/River Song that Three and Four *never noticed* during the Classic Series run. The affair with Benton was just a tragic cry for help!
Anita’s first interaction seemed like she already worked for the Time Hotel. Didn’t flinch at the scaly person, and seemed to be using the towels as an excuse to watch everything
What if mrs flood is river song, like how it’s a play on words of river and flood being bodies of water and connected
What if the reason behind Moffat reading the season two finale is because River Song is coming back?
I think it is the master come back and tried to live a normal non time lord form. Mrs Flood/The Master after the power of the doctor the master broke back into Gallfray did that mined sleep thing and made everyone forget. Then regenerate into Mrs Flood. Got a Tardis. Then went to earth on the 24/12/2004. To try and get revenge because after The Doctor won and the master lost. The Daleks and The Cybermen went to kill the mater. To 'hide my self away' is the theory I just put.
Does this tie up with the Golden Tooth Master?
@@sabrinatirabassi3529 kind of so when the toy maker *didn't exist* some one piced up the tooth were problely not going to know but I think it was ither mistro to keap it
but when she got sucked into that piano to tooth let the master go but got mistro stuck or it was that lady from ? episode that piked
up the ring
The fact is, let's assume Mrs Flood is Anita. Well, that still isn't "enough"...? I mean, what would she be doing throughout time other than randomly stalking the Doctor? Doesn't seem to be two-parter season-finale material.
It would make sense if she was in any way connected to the Pantheon while being Anita, like a sleeping form of a God. I think that Ruby's story not being over connects into this, for example her hidden song hasn't been addressed yet, and it could be something that links Mrs Flood/Anita, Ruby and a third character (Belinda?) into one of the deities described by Harbinger in the summoning chant for Sutekh.
Also, c'mon, RTD has proved he's one step ahead of us by giving us exactly what we expect and then adding in something nobody in their right mind would ever imagine because too random to make sense: this is definitely the case. 😂
I like the Anita + Flood theory. The only part of it that is a hiccup for me is the companion costumes. If we assume the connection to Benn's costume shop is true, how does she know the appearance of these costumes? How can she replicate something that she has no frame of reference for?
Mrs. Flood is obviously Iris Wildthyme… A more likely scenario is that she runs the land of fiction.
I feel like the fact she said "meet your maker" means she isnt human and anita is human, also how she was horrible such as not giving cherry her tea and anita isnt a horrible person
Anita WASN’T a horrible person. Who’s to say that working at the time hotel where she would have seen the worst of humanity throughout history,hasn’t soured her?
That's what I felt, Mrs. Flood had zero empathy and almost evil like in her actions...Good catch!
Pond, river, flood? There’s a theme here somewhere
Just imagine Mrs.. flood was A. The Doctor companion from the lost 90s Doctor who cartoon.
Is that a thing?
Yes. 👍
I have an idea. What if Anita is like how Susan was? A person who has no idea they're part of a grand plan who kind of "unlocks" after working at the Time Hotel. I don't exactly know how to word that, so sorry if that's confusing
only flaw i see is that if RTD has his own idea/concept of who Mrs. Flood was, that would have to be thrown away to make Anita Dunn work, since that was a Moffat creation. Unless RTD planned on having a young Mrs. Flood introduced sometime in the future and "gave" that idea to Moffat.
Moffat and RTD came up with the idea for the Christmas special together, and he is the showrunner, so he can easily add parts.
Captain Jack was an RTD creation introduced in a Moffat episode
Wasn't she Anita Benn, like the costume shop?
@@MsJayteeListenswas he? I thought that Moffatt was the creator...
@@sabrinatirabassi3529 No, if you watch the behind the scenes stuff from series 1 RTD introduced him to change the Doctor/Rose dynamic and to bring in a character who could be shown with weapons.
My neighbour wondered if Mrs Flood was the adopted daughter of Amy and Rory ? Not too sure about that one...........
There have been so many, many theories about Mrs Flood - The White Guardian, a God of somekind from the Pantheon, even heard somewhere she could be related to the Master, Jenny from 'The Doctors Daughter.............
My own theory is that I am confused by so many theories !!
This is such a compelling suggestion, I’m almost convinced it may come to pass…. BUT, in my heart of hearts, I think Mrs. Flood is River Song.
Especially if we eventually find out that her name is something like "Carol" (a type of "song")!
Then why wouldn't she be "Dr Flood"?
I give this theory 9.5 malcolms.
Or in the words of River Song...."Spoilers!" Think i will just wait till the next episodes air and watch what happens then. Nice to be surprised.
Since seeing her in the white winter coat, I'm convinced she's The Watcher.
The Doctor has spent more time with Anita than some of his companions, more than a few I think.
OK - I'm convinced - but then I was convinced that Susan Twist was a twist that Susan Foreman would be back - so what do I Know!!!
i love the presenter's wings
what wings?
@sparechanel-gl7jt her eye makeup
I still can't be convinced that Mrs FLOOD isnt connected somehow to Amy POND and RIVER song
hasn't river also been to most/all locations on the suitcase?
Mr Benns costume shop, has to be a nod to "Mr Benn" that I used to watch, he would go to the shop, or his cupboard, put on some clothes and become that thing for the day. For example a caveman or astronaut. I don't expect most of you to remember, as I'm 46, and it was when I was a child. But that really does seem plausible.
I am loving all the theories about Mrs Flood! Whoever she is, there's no question but Anita Dobson is a fabulous actor. And she's obviously having a lot of fun in this role. Is she a time traveller? A god? Nothing would surprise me. I mean, it's ANITA DOBSON!
Interesting fact!!! Mr Benn is a childrens show from the 70s about a man who when he goes into a costume shop to try on a costume he is able to travel in time. Puts on a cowboy costume, travels to the wild west. Puts on a space suit, goes into space. ETC. Mr Benn was Narrated by Ray Brooks. Ray Brooks stared in the 1966 film "Daleks' Invasion Earth 2150 A.D" Another Doctor Who connection.
Ruby’s Mum being described as “underwhelming” is the understatement of the century
Is it?
@@ChrisPage68 yes..even the diehards of this terrible first season were annoyed by that reveal
Something, something, rivers, ponds, and floods...
I think Mrs Flood is The Rani gone more mad
The Rani was who I wanted her to be. But I'm not sure that works now.
Anita was never surprised by the unordinary things happening in the Hotel... maybe she never was an ordinary human, even before meeting the Doctor
Mrs Flood did not recognize the TARDIS till it dematerialised in The Church on Ruby Road..
oh people LOVE to overlook this!!
Because she had never seen the TARDIS in real life before. After it dematerialised she realised oh snap! That's the Doctor's police box. I just went to check the Church on Ruby Road to be sure and she never sees the Doctor until she sees the TARDIS disappear so it all clicks.
she doesn't know why a police box has been parked right outside her house and complains about it. there's no way she didn't realise that a random police box showing up outside her house wasn't the tardis.
However, she then asked the Doctor who is he anyway.. but then could have just been to not reveal herself? Idk
well then the answer to that would be that she’s pretending to not know, to look clueless and innocent
Mrs. Flood wears an outfit that all of the companions have worn over the years. She's an advocate for them.
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick with the "advocate" theory.
But, why was Anita not bothered by the Silurian in her hotel?
I questioned her reaction (well lack of a reaction) as well.
My guess is, she/s seen other beings before.
because it was funny for her to react that way
Impeccable customer service training
7:25 - If you are of certain age you will remember books and a cartoon in the 1967 - 1972 called Mr Benn.
It was about man that would visit a fancy-dress shop. He would pick a costume and enter a magic door and end up in a world matching the costume he was wearing (dressed as a gladiator he would be in ancient Rome). He would have some sort of magical adventure. At the end of the adventure he would return to the door and end up back in the fancy-dress shop...... until the next adventure where he would dress as something different like a knight, Wizard, spaceman and so on.
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I am very interested in Ellie becoming BBC presenter for Doctor Who Confidential
_Doctor Who Confidential_ hasn’t existed for over 13 years.
She has come back to take revenge for no Queen / Bohemian Rhapsody references on the program--- Long live WhoCulture
Now I didn't think or want Ruby's mum to be anyone "important", but RTD set up a mystery just to give it no pay off.
So yeah I'm done with thinking any mystery on Dr. Who will have a satisfying payoff.
Mrs Flood is the dreamlord remember Amy’s choice he dressed like the 11th doctor, she wears other character outfits
I don't think it's anita because she didn't recognize THE TARDIS, she recognized A TARDIS. If Anita had set up by Ruby to find The Doctor she would have assumed it was him the minute a police box was in front of her house, but she didn't put it together until she saw it dematerialize
recognise*; recognised*; dematerialise*
@DrWhoFanJ not if you're an american and your phone is set to american english lol
@ The USA is not England, though. That does not make any sense.
@@TheSpicer64 He is correcting everyone for some reason. Just because it is a British show doesn't mean all the fans speak British English.
@@DrWhoFanJ Nobody said America is England.
Professor Chronotis another renegade Time Lord appears both in Shada and the Dirk Gently stories of Douglas Adams has a Tardis that always appears as a door, either in a wall or sometimes as just a door in a frame standing in open spaces Moffat is known to acknowledge Adams as an inspiration and mentor, and he may be paying tribute to Douglas Adams and his most famous quote “The single raindrop never feels responsible for the flood.”
@LenHazell
Hang on a mo… Douglas Adams' most famous quote was "The single raindrop never feels responsible for the flood"? A profound statement to be sure but *most famous*? No.
How about… "Don't Panic"? Surely those two word written in "large, friendly letters" on the cover of the H2G2 are far more famous. Even Marvin's common comment "I have this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side" is more famous if not quite as profound.
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I like to hope it's a regeneration of Romana who somehow found her way back from the parallel universe. From one episode: Mrs. Flood did say that she’s always “hiding away”. And, in the same episode, The Doctor tells Ruby that Time Lords change their faces to “hide themselves away.”
I mean, I just could not wrap my head around all the Mrs. Flood scenes and how she didn't recognise the TARDIS until she did (that was the most intriguing mystery surrounding her to me, like how come she doesn't recognise it and then she does..) so immediately when I heard Anita's name in Joy to the World I was like NOOO :O and then everything clicked into place and it's the perfect explanation for Mrs. Flood recognising TARDIS only after it dematerialises as she'd never seen it before in real life.
As someone who is not a big fan of the pantheon (like there always needs be some sort of deus ex machina to get rid of them which gets old pretty quickly) I am thrilled to believe Anita really is Mrs. Flood. She may not be a god (for which I thank the gods haha) but she is nothing close to ordinary. Anita is clearly someone who is very strong willed and does not flinch away when crazy stuff happens. She is a bit of a chaos enjoyer I would say as we see her just watching and chillin' when the Doctor goes to that honeymoon suite when a normal hotel worker would be like no you can't go in there there are people in that room right now or be like sorry sorry sorry. But Anita? No way! She's here for the show. She is a very strong character and since Mrs. Flood clearly has some crazy plans in motion Anita is the perfect gal determined and strong enough to execute them.
Maybe Mrs Flood is connected to The Timeless Child?. Perhaps she's the Doctors Mum
Okay, here's the thing: Anita and Mrs. Flood CANNOT be the same person, purely on genetic grounds: Mrs. Flood has blue eyes while Anita's eyes are brown. The same is true for Clara (brown eyes) and Susan (also brown eyes). However, in Susan's case we have to consider the Time Lord propensity to change their entire appearance during regeneration. But I still don't believe that Mrs. Flood and Susan are the same person, as I think Susan will turn out to be the Rani...IF they ever let those two characters back into the show. However, River Song's eyes are also blue (as opposed to her mother's green eyes), so this might be River after having her regenerations restored.
Eye color can not be used to determine anything for sure. Both parent's genes facter into the equation. You only get 50% of your mother's DNA and 50% from your father. And both those 50 percentages are random.
@@karenjames8523colour*; factor*
You may remember (again) that Caitlin Blackwood is blue eyed while Karen Gillan is brown-green eyed.
@@sabrinatirabassi3529 hazel*
Frankly we are made to think to that Ruby's mother was such a huge impossibility or something only to be revealed that she was just a normal human mother. The clear alternate that we don't get to see yet is that when all those other people are looking up into Ruby's parentage and they are actually shocked about the father.
my theory is that Mrs flood is Amy and Rory's second, human child, the ages vaguely line up, and im sure she would have been told stories.
that also relates to Amy and Rory's connection to the tardis blue door
Could be, POND, RIVER and now FLOOD.
@@Paul-Ashworth oh I didn't catch that!
that makes sense, why would they not?
oh yeah!
Great video, it got me thinking 👍👍👍👍
I've not watched an episode of Doctor Who since The Woman Who Fell to Earth, but this video caught my eye, so I'm going to make two suggestions from a complete blank slate.
Flood: A torrent of water (some might call it a fast-flowing River...). So I'm going to link that to the two other water-based names which come to mind: River Song and Amy Pond. So I'm going to suggest that Mrs. Flood may, in some way, be connected to either of them. In the past, the Doctor and the Master have both been given new regeneration cycles (and Rassilon has simply reappeared without notice) so might River have been regenerated by the Time Lords or the Sisterhood of Karn?
My immediate thought seeing the blue door, was that she may be a future-incarnation of the Doctor.
As for Mr. Benn's Costume Shop...
I loved that cartoon as a kid, so that reference, and seeing the Red Knight's armor in the window, that got a nod of satisfaction from me. But as an adult, the show took on a whole new dimension. Mr. Benn, the seemingly straight-laced city gent, goes into an honest costume shop on his lunchbreak, tries on a costume, drops LSD in the changing-room, then trips out while the poor shopkeeper is trying to run a business... A very sordid state of affairs...
But now I think about it, the shopkeeper wore a fez, and, I know a certain someone who thought fez's were cool... Perhaps the Doctor spends the latter part of a regeneration taking things easy, running a costume shop rather than saving the universe, with some aspect of the TARDIS's technology hooked up to the changing room... Perhaps Mr. Benn wasn't dropping LSD at all, but inadvertently found himself going on adventures, while the Doctor stayed back minding the shop, chuckling at whatever Mr. Benn had gotten himself into...
I might have to consider starting to watch the show again; the Doctor and I are like two friends who go ages without seeing each other, then pick up again where we left off, before once more going our own ways for a while until the next meeting...
Either Anita is Mrs Flood OR she's companion number 3. Ruby (Shade of Red) -> Belinda (Medical Connection) -> Anita (Christmas Special between companion 1 and 2) matches Rose -> Martha -> Donna.
I hope she's not Mrs Flood
Her friendship with the Doctor is very Donna-ish, too.