@superroboted Fingers crossed all the unique construction aspects of the vehicles will work right. Hook's 'hook' on UT was fixed, just as Mixmaster's drum was; and that was utterly unacceptable! Showels, scoops & excavators ought to be able to do as they are named. The Hook arm should be able to rotate, extend & bend. The mixer barrel must be able to turn. The dump truck bed must be able to 'take a dump'! Otherwise, it's better not to bother calling them 'Constructicons'! 😆 🤣 😂 😹
Studio Series hands down. Even after avoiding the Combiner Wars iteration I never really regretted it because I wasn't into collecting Transformers at the time. In the last year though with SS86 blowing up I actually began to think this may be a possibility after Hasbro released 86 Magnus and it could be really good with that standard of quality. This looks spectacular, and only noticing now, but looks to actually have finger articulation. Can't wait for more official reveals.
My son is keeping his CW Devastator to scale with our Omega Supreme. He is going to earn/work for (chores/grades) the SS86 Devastator throughout the year.
@@ransax so what, it means when I have all 5 superion will look like he walked out of the cartoon, I loved the way they did menasor so happy to see them repeat it with superion. If you don't like cool means you don't have to buy it go get the cw version there should be plenty online as easily sold mine
Bro, out of all the combiners, the Constructicons will always have a place in my heart for being the first to come out!!! Thanks so much for the update and the spot on comparisons to the Combiner Wars version, which I passed on for very reasons you gave in the video, especially the lack of individual weapons!!!! I'm so ready for the SS 86 crew to be on my shelf giving the Dinobots a hard time!!!
Hard disagree. I hate partsforming which is why I love the CW combiners. The only thing I want from legacy is Motormaster so I can put the CW limb bots onto him. There is an upgrade kit that let's you use the CW arm bots iirc.
Just noting this, the combine war arm weirdness is somehow the animation accurate version of that movement for him, so it's probably gonna be like that for the new one, still getting it.
As a G1 kid (I'm old) that started collecting as an adult beginning with Siege, I guess I don't understand the rose tinted obsession with CW. I first noticed the phenomenon with certain collectors' obsession with CW Ultra Magnus. I dunno, maybe I'll look back at Siege the same way one day.
Siege was decent ..the alt mode was the problem. What many collectors did was sink their money into upgrades that still didn't do the job. Imagine spending more than a full CW/UW combiner to upgrade them to be better only for them not to. They have this upgrade for CW Defensor that goes for more than the UW version. Imma never understand it.
I'm a bit younger but I remember stories my uncles told me of them not having a lot money growing up and how they had to save up for their christmas and birthdays to be able to combine their cash to buy all 6 original Constructicons. They're the reason I watched a lot of G1 growing up as a kid. Good family is everything. I can't wait to get my hands on the 86 boys next year.
Please note that, while inconsistant, in most of his animation, the threads on Devastator’s arm are fixed to his torso, with only the rest of the arms rotating. It’s always weird, to me that people complain the threads don’t move with the rest of the arms, when it’s how it’s meant to be.
Man your on point with your reasons, you earned a sub. My thing is i thought transformers was about respecting which versions of transformers we like but some people like to judge and trash others if they dont agree
It's actually Metroplex, Trypticon etc that are out of scale in Titan class. Titan Class Omege Supreme, Tidal Wave etc are a better scale with other Transformers. But of course they can't make a proper to scale Metroplex. Personally I have room for both Constructicon sets. I'll keep Combiner Wars Devastator combined as the separate robots don't all have very good articulation and were designed around being a good Devastator with the separate robots a bit of an after thought. The new ones I'll display individually.
Man you are so on point emgo an you are the best reviewers in my opinion no body else comes close to you two guys congrats for hitting the nail so hard on the head for the new combiners coming out I think hasbro is killing to be honest
We should all just be grateful we have so many options… if you like CW combiners great, if you like the new legacy/aotp combiners great. They all have pros and cons. I personally prefer CW Combiners so far because they are just good for play, mixing and matching making some crazy combinations 😂 But I can appreciate what the new legacy/aotp combiners are doing as a solid package with great articulation… g1 accuracy isn’t a big thing for me since i am a bit too young for the demographic. But if you grew up with that I can only imagine how much of a legendary figure it would be!! I personally like CW Devastator because it’s a huge figure and I got it for a great price recently. We all just gotta stop fighting hahaha we are all passionate about collecting 👌
The Studio Series one is obviously better, no contest! The plastic used for CW Devastator is garbage, as two pegs (one for Hook, another for Long Haul) have snapped off, and those two pegs are for combined mode, and because they broke off, the combined mode is unstable. Studio Series Devastator on the other hand, is very likely going to use better plastic, and the Studio Series one looks much better. My only issue with it is the Scavenger arm being flat, as it wasn't like that in the cartoon. In terms of updated figures (as opposed to accurate figures), I'm sure that the UW Devastator is a bit better than the CW version, but pretty sure the same weak plastic is used. Now, I do prefer the treads being a part of the arms, and not the torso, but the Studio Series one is supposed to be based on how he looked in the cartoon and movie, so it's alright. Now, I just wonder how the upper legs will be done.
I have no problems with part forming. But since they were trying the whole weaponizers, why not make a robot/vehicle for the extra parts. Or do like a build a figure, and each figure for the combiner gets a part. I put my Takara CW Devastator (and PE upgrades, hated Mixmaster's little cab for a foot) on my Decepticon MP shelf, he looks good there, he was to big for the mainline. I'm not sure about this studio figure though...it's his shoulders...will they move at the treads or will they be like the CW one. Guess that's what I'm waiting on pictures of to decide.
I really do like the look of this one and was definitely planning on snatching it up... until I saw the Mecha Invasion version and its Size/Price/Sculpt. Went ahead and snatched up what I could of that set and pre-ordered the rest. Might still get this Devastator later on down the line when I can afford to have multiple molds of the same character again
@superroboted its just got a lot of detail. Its transformation is super simple and its actually cheaper than the hasbro release if you account for them being MP scale. I like my bots to have alot of detail and I prefer a larger scale figure. Zeta toys (studio cell) just anounced a new devastator with a cybertronian look but it actually looks a little too chaotic.
I actually kinda liked the fat Longhaul in Combiner Wars. Reminded me of how Animated tried to make the Constructicons look like sterotypical human builders.
Of course, but at the same time, those critiques must bare the scrutiny of reality. A lot of the complaints about SS86 Devastator do not hold up. And look, as someone who will buy SS86 Devastator I know going in that there will be an updated version in five to 10 years; however, when that happens I will fully acknowledge that it's an upgrade, but that I'm opting out because my SS86 version suits my needs. Unless the new version is such an obvious f**k up that it deserves to be heavily criticized. But again, SS86 Dev is not a f**k up. It is an almost objective step up from previous versions, if being G1 accurate is something you're looking for.
I got the unite warriors for Christmas from my ex fiancee. Best thing I got out of that relationship. My problem with the studio series devs is 1. It overpriced. 2. It's undersized, especially for the price. In my mind, devs should be bigger than the other gestalts because there is 6 bots vs 5. I love devs, but unless they are on sale, I am gonna pass on the studio series version.
Yeah, I feel with this set Hasbro said, "We made it look a little better, made them smaller, but we're charging you a lot more too." While they might be more toon accurate, the usual cheap design flaws make it a pass at full price. I have a Generation Toy set that looks great in combined mode. They aren't toon accurate, but maybe Hasbro will get it right in another 5 to 10 years or some third party will upscale one of the Legends offerings.
I personally never understood why people get mad at parts forming especially since it's always been a transformer staple since the very beginning. And doesn't every character that combines have extra parts in order to become said combiner?
Because we evolved past that point. We're at a point where partsforming is largely unnecessary. So to go back to it is lazy engineering at best and utterly stupid at worst.
With these combiner sizes legacy menasor and ss86 Dev, i wonder if this star convoy titan new price is gonna stick around and they will re-visit omega supreme and make it smaller to match the combiners and finally have the proper size Omega. Also people freaking out thinking that the next combiners will have the frame skeleton like superion did, I dont think so, menasor and superion are special cases and need it for cartoon accuracy bruticus and the other combiners are more like devastator and i think they will combine in a similar way to ss86 Dev
Worst mistake of my life was buying that 50 dollar knockoff of CW Devastator. Squeaky, fiddly little things that had rail thin pegs (some of which snapped off). I was practicially BEGGING Hasbro to do an 86 Devastator like how they did the ROTF Devastator by individual releases. I was literally jumping for JOY when I saw the listings when they first leaked.
@ Shattered glass Hercules 3rd party one and it’s spot on fits with SG line up Hasbro made. The problem is I started mixing 3rd party with the chug line cause some characters Hasbro doesn’t want to do. Like make toys Dystopia aka Metrotitan, or mmcs DJD rest of the team. Tarn is a blessing but no way they would do the rest.
Thank you for pointing out how bad G1 Devastator was with those combine parts. I like how stable and posable and G1 cartoon accurate these new combiners are. They could always be better, but I am all in on all of them.
I never liked Combiner Wars or Unite Warriors. Contructicons looked just akward and I care how individual robots look like I don't always put my combiners in combined mode. Unite Warriors while they added much needed elbows the arms had still weird proportions. Studio Series has individuals look good and combined mode shapes to look good also, can't wait to get my hands on the whole set.
Love my CW dev! He looks great next to potp predaking and titans trypticon! I don't envy anyone having to hunt down and pay for six individual studio series constructions that have been downsized to fit the voyager scale. I mean I would too If i didn't have a dev, but damn am I glad I'm sparing myself that!
I may have complained a lot about AOTP Superion, but this one I kinda lean into it. I think it’s a great idea to sell Constructicons individually(except Hook and Long Haul) because this means every one of them will have their own transformations engineering without having to divide the money just to make one giant but flaws cons. I really prefer this over the combiners we got from the Legacy, it gets the job done right. I’m not gonna sugarcoat it but as a CW fan this one takes the win. This is what I want the updated combiners to be, a CW figures with modern engineering. Hell, I wouldn’t regret if I had to buy another Commander if it’s turn out to be the most articulated combiner.
I rather liked UW Devaststor. Titan size might be too large for him, but he was fun. Devastator should always be a good bit larger then other combiners though since he is a 6 bot combiner amd techincally the "prototype" of the other G1 combiners. Plus he needs to be sizeable to go toe to tie with Omega Supreme. I'm willing to give SS86 a chance. I just want some color shots, how the combination works and wish he was a bit larger.
I mean....while he was a partsformer, the other g1 combiners weren't far behind. Devastator can't lose a foot. All the others could. You lose that foot plate, you're fucked. Same with fists, chest plate and the combiner heads. I don't care how they do it. Just make it good.
Aside from Scrapper's floating fists and hollow arms, and Bonecrusher's legend-scale-style arms, SS86 is the way to go. Mixmaster's arms might also be an issue too. I just think they could've spent a little more time on those and given us better arms and maybe even wrist swivel. I'm 100% getting the Toyhax labels the moment they're released to make these guys more G1 toy accurate.
It kinda just comes down to personal preference. I like scramble city style because the idea in fiction is that they're supposed to come together as the robots and form a giant Gestalt. The whole combination skeleton thing kind of kills the vibe for me. And I always liked a larger Devi because reasons and it's cool. I just go with what I think is cooler. Facts are, hastak made both. I would encourage healthy discussion over dirt flinging. There's really no such thing as right and wrong when you're talking about purely subjective fictional concepts. Regardless, I was always put off by the issues with CW version so this'll be my first proper Devi and Superion. Although tbf, Hasbro has a history of copying engineering from third party.
I have the Jinbao Gravity Builder K/O Dev and at least two upgrade kits on the damn thing just so it stands up and doesn't fall over. The Sunk Cost Fallacy causes me to stick with this one.
I'm sticking with my TFC Hercules. The least amount of partsforming for any Six-Part Construction Combiner, roughly the right size, and could probably survive a direct artillery strike.
I got the CW one and getting the new 86 one. Still strongly think the 86 one should be an inch or two taller than the other combiners but still a beautiful combiner. Gonna keep both
I think the newest Menasor is the best version. Looks the most G1 cartoon accurate to me, to an extent. If I could only find a G1 Breakdown that isn’t super duper over scalped in price. Ridiculous.
My legacy menasor was great. Had the upgrade kit for him and toy hax stickers as well. I bet they make an upgrade kit for this devastator. Ed did you notice they don't have a decepticon symbol on devastator's cgest plate?
1:00 I disagree with this. I feel that it is impossible to make the titans into figures and have them be proper scale. However, omega supreme being a titan class makes sense and I feel all the combiners should also be titan class since devastator was just slightly shorter than omega supreme. I also think while the ss86 ultra magnus looks great, I don’t see a world where he should be taller than grimlock and the dinobots. They have gotten better with scale, but I think they have definitely made some mistakes.
Great comparisons it is personal preference and styles there are purest and realest , and the affordability personally I buy KO third party because it’s affordable but I have that nostalgic memory each time I look at my collection
I like that they are mostly deluxe size. Combiners should be almost the same size. A undersized KO of CW devastator is available. But they KO the US version. So Still some of them has no elbow articulation. But they are deluxe size like the SS-86 version. So SS-86 is the best version.
I never personally cared about the size, tough. I care about the look of the vehicles, the individual bots and Devastator. I think UW Bonecrucher look better and that the right leg of UW Devastator look better. I also personnally like how stupidly big he is.
UW was the best CW Dev but also the more expensive and hard come by. I knew the SS86 Dev was coming but didn't know when so when Hasbro released it again as an Amazon exclusive, I jumped in to get. Do I regrate it? No, I still like it even with the flaws and there are a lot of them. Clearly the SS86 Dev is going to be the superior version, same height as the other combiners, better articulation, better individual bots and above all a much better stability in combined mode.
Im good with my UW version. If they do a knockoff of the SS86 ill pick that up, also is Scrapper just going to be off center or us he on a slider? That leg looks like trash
It looks ok.. I still like my Unite Warriors version. Will have to see price point on this since the QC has gone down whereas the prices have gone up. Just had to take back a Magmatron with arms installed BACKWARDS. 😒
I hade this theory for a long time that there was more then one version of Construticons in G1 show so in my cannon the CW Version is the one seen in heavy metal wars and the SS version is the one seen in the secret of omega supreme. However, if they release a G2 version of the SS Construticon I guess I’ll just have to own three. I like the idea of a few of the combiners being bigger. Devestator, Predaking, Raiden and Liokiser should all be Titan class. Perhaps Raiden and Liokiser could be Haslabs. Clearly the Legacy version of the stuntacons is way better then the CW version anyone saying different needs their head examined but the CW Arialbots were one of the better CW groups so I guess I could see a little bit of an argument there although I'm sure the aotp version will be better.
Truer Facts have never been spoken. I am curious as to who the bloody hell thought the CW Constructicons are "superior", though.😮😮😮 Also, you're over 9000% right about how if you don't have certain things from the G1, you *can't* form Devastator. Wasn't there a set of indimavidually released G2 Constructicons back in the day that didn't have the Devastator parts?? 🤔🤔🤔 And how are folks not realizing that even the CW mold has - as you hilariously put it - "the help-me parts". (I am gonna have to add that to the collection!) The forearms? That's probably always gonna have to partsform into place, as is the chest wing. Sure, they learned to incorporate Devy's head into Hook, and they cheated away the thighs in exchange for Long Haul being EXTRA THICC...but was it worth it?? I don't think that it was, and I say that as someone who owns that Cool Become Brave downsized KO, which is a more accurate size but still carries all the dumb design decisions of The CW (and then adds poor materials choices to the mix). I think where folks are gettin' butthurt is that - overall higher prices on Deluxes & Voyagers aside - they're sticking a third of the team (Hook & Long Haul) and The Help-Me Parts into a potentially difficult to obtain Commander priced box set. (Only thing I find odd is that it appears that Hasbro done went and stuck with the goofy hand design of CW Devy for SS86 Devy...like...why?? Would it really have cost them that much more money to use the Siege Jetfire/Legacy Evolution Armada Optimus (Super Mode) hands??
I've always brought up the Omega Supreme scale issue. While he's scales with deluxes, voyager and leaders, he should be dwarfed by metroplex and the likes. But it's more of a 'Titans are too small' problem. I skipped all hasbro devastator, I prefer my Jinbao Oversized.
I couldn't justify Combiner Wars Devestator or even the knockoff Dev because of how ugly it was to me. Im glad they are redoing these combiners. This will be the last transformer from the line I will buy so will be worth it!
I always wanted to get the CW devastator, but the titan size in contrats to the rest of the CW and the weird joints and looks of the figures was the breaking deal for me( i still think this version where meant for the legend/core class figure lines. The UW version had much better improvements over the CW one plus the missing weapons for each individual figure, but still it had the issue that it was to big for me and he would look weird with the rest of the CW. Now the SS version im very interested and looking forwrd for more info on this guy.
I so can’t wait for them! I have CW one & he is huge I get why ppl think he should be that big due to the toon & how bad they did with size but I’m happy with them being the new size now I think Jetfire should of been smaller & skylinxs should of been bigger lol but man CW devy sucks to stand & I agree100%
@@superroboted yup I have a dio and he is fighting omga more like using him to stand up lol so I can’t wait for the new one as those sizes are right on maybe a inch taller but they will make a kit to get him taller lol
No.. all bs... the truth superior is rotf the best devastator in all time..... hehehhehhe. joke a side... i just hope, we get a update version 2 foc brusticus toy we need rework on that too
I think the arms on the new one will work exactly the same way as the CW version so the new one will still look goofy to you. Personally I think all the new Transformers designs have gotten worse, like they are being designed by different people at Takara or something. Something is very off and I am done with Generations/Studio Series. Absolutely nothing revealed recently is appealing to me at all. And Hasbro is all about licensing Transformers to death now anyway so I don't think the actual transforming toys will last much longer anyway. For me Transformers as a brand has turned into that joke from Spaceballs about the merchandizing.
SRE my bro, I'll be leaving my Unite Warriors version in their awesome individual bots to work our some amazing construction marvel/project with my Classics Solar Storm Grappel. Meanwhile, I have the YotS Omega Supreme triple-tag-teamed with Energon Omega Supreme & Omega Sentinel just waiting to beat up this new monstrosity HasTakTom is about to churn out from the assembly line! It's gonna be the 'Ultimate Beat Down of 2025', my man! PS. Where's Hauler when you need him?! 😅 🎉😂🎉
@superroboted Great for your boy to have such a historic representation nonetheless, my bro. That's something special right there. Aye, I really love the Unicron Trilogy quality toy lines. Truth be told, looking at how some of the upcoming Constructicons have no waist articulation, ala old skool TFs, opens up a doorway back to the past, my bro. Not only will they go nicely in battle scenes with the RID Construction brothers, Build Typhoon, I will definitely be pitting them against the likes of Armada Smokescreen (both the orange & blue versions), US Hoist, Japan Grap Super Mode & Cybertron Longrack; also GF Gigalonia Megalo Convoy, Cybertron Menasor & Quickmix, plus joining forces with Armada Universe Ransack, Cybertron Universe Heavy Load, Power Core Combiners & Energon Steamhammer. Man, the sheer number of Construction-based Transformers ranging from G1 Micromasters to UT Microns are mind-numbing! My true happiness is knowing how the awesome Thrilling 30 Double-Targetmaster Scoop and his Takara repaint, Adventure Roadblock, will finally have properly scaled friends & foes to build and destroy together! 😀 PS. Fingers crossed, HasTakTom will eventually retool some of the SS '86 construction vehicle designs into the missing Double-Targetmasters Landfill & Quickmix (using Long Haul & Mixmaster, respectively), SRE! 🌠
Hasbro's combiners are largely "meh" at best. The Studio 86 version is still a decade or more behind the 3rd Party scene. The whole Combiners Wars era was garbage. If nothing else, the Studio 86 Devy looks like the best polished turd Hasbro has put out in a long time. I've had MakeToys, Generation Toys, and the upscaled GT knockoff Devys for years. I was largely done collecting TFs, but after seeing what Mecha Invasion, Dreamstar, and 01 Studios are doing, it looks like i may be getting three new Devys. I can't justify buying anything Hasbro these days.
This SS86 Devastator is too short along with the bots they've shown thus far. Instead of showing Devy next to Prime, how about next to the leader class Sludge and/or Slag while they are in bot mode? Each constructicon should be voyager size, and none deluxe. They should be barely shorter than Soundwave and/or Thrust like they were getting bopped in the mouth with the jab and... *_hook._* SS86 should scale with each other as a part of the 1986 movie. It's really that simple. Height comparisons with Menasor and/or Superion are moreso in the categories of 'nice to haves' rather than must m haves, because those gestalts were NOT in that '86 movie.
I don't care about Devastator. Always thought he was boring. I had him in the 80s but never played with him much. I have the Chinese CW KO that they shrunk down. That's good enough for me just so I can have the character in my collection. The Studio Series looks ok but I don't care about the character at all. I like him in the 86 movie & fighting him in Devastation is fun. But I just don't care about any toys of him.
1) it needs fully integrated hands and feet and chest plate. Sick of this partsforming bs. 2) it needs to NOT be the stupid-ass skeleton bs that’s replaced all the scramble city capabilities of combiners nowadays ala the new Superion.
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*So which Devastator do you want now???*
I’m 100% getting SS86 Devastator. I already have Bonecrusher and Scrapper preordered and they’re coming in on April 6th.
Gonna get SS86 for CHUG, really excited for MMC's too.
@superroboted Fingers crossed all the unique construction aspects of the vehicles will work right. Hook's 'hook' on UT was fixed, just as Mixmaster's drum was; and that was utterly unacceptable!
Showels, scoops & excavators ought to be able to do as they are named. The Hook arm should be able to rotate, extend & bend. The mixer barrel must be able to turn. The dump truck bed must be able to 'take a dump'! Otherwise, it's better not to bother calling them 'Constructicons'!
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Studio Series hands down. Even after avoiding the Combiner Wars iteration I never really regretted it because I wasn't into collecting Transformers at the time. In the last year though with SS86 blowing up I actually began to think this may be a possibility after Hasbro released 86 Magnus and it could be really good with that standard of quality. This looks spectacular, and only noticing now, but looks to actually have finger articulation. Can't wait for more official reveals.
My son is keeping his CW Devastator to scale with our Omega Supreme. He is going to earn/work for (chores/grades) the SS86 Devastator throughout the year.
True story...a former friend stole the head for my G1 Devastator as a kid. Guy ducked me for months until my older brother caught up to the kid.
Big Cuz always looked out for us when we were kids.
U get your head back?
Bro not only brought back his head, he brought back devastators head too.
I foolishly took the G1 Superion box set to school for show and tell in the 1980's. Then like 5 stupid kids stole it from me, too, man.
@@completelygonerecordingsscrew those kids honestly that superion must have been expensive back in the day
They will complain now, regret it later when 86 Devastator and AOTP Superion are out and they missed the boat.
heck on uk pulse airraid and slingshot pre orders are already sold out as are the 2 constructicons
@@xtroguyversame for US Pulse. They were sold out the first day they went up lmao
All you need is Silverbolt because he comes with the whole ass robot and it's not a combiner at all
@@ransax so what, it means when I have all 5 superion will look like he walked out of the cartoon, I loved the way they did menasor so happy to see them repeat it with superion. If you don't like cool means you don't have to buy it go get the cw version there should be plenty online as easily sold mine
Bro, out of all the combiners, the Constructicons will always have a place in my heart for being the first to come out!!! Thanks so much for the update and the spot on comparisons to the Combiner Wars version, which I passed on for very reasons you gave in the video, especially the lack of individual weapons!!!! I'm so ready for the SS 86 crew to be on my shelf giving the Dinobots a hard time!!!
almost like transformers have had partsforming since the beginning..... As long as it's used tastefully it's fine!!!!!!!!!!
That's pretty much the whole frame system.
Definitely needs the hips. thighs and chest parts forming. Wondering how they'll give those another mode like with Menasor and Superion.
Maybe Hook being the one that gets extra added to his vehicle mode.
Looks like forearms are parts too.
Hard disagree. I hate partsforming which is why I love the CW combiners. The only thing I want from legacy is Motormaster so I can put the CW limb bots onto him. There is an upgrade kit that let's you use the CW arm bots iirc.
Just noting this, the combine war arm weirdness is somehow the animation accurate version of that movement for him, so it's probably gonna be like that for the new one, still getting it.
As a G1 kid (I'm old) that started collecting as an adult beginning with Siege, I guess I don't understand the rose tinted obsession with CW. I first noticed the phenomenon with certain collectors' obsession with CW Ultra Magnus. I dunno, maybe I'll look back at Siege the same way one day.
Siege was decent ..the alt mode was the problem. What many collectors did was sink their money into upgrades that still didn't do the job. Imagine spending more than a full CW/UW combiner to upgrade them to be better only for them not to. They have this upgrade for CW Defensor that goes for more than the UW version. Imma never understand it.
I'm a bit younger but I remember stories my uncles told me of them not having a lot money growing up and how they had to save up for their christmas and birthdays to be able to combine their cash to buy all 6 original Constructicons. They're the reason I watched a lot of G1 growing up as a kid. Good family is everything. I can't wait to get my hands on the 86 boys next year.
All I really want is for SS86 long haul to have a functional dump
Please note that, while inconsistant, in most of his animation, the threads on Devastator’s arm are fixed to his torso, with only the rest of the arms rotating. It’s always weird, to me that people complain the threads don’t move with the rest of the arms, when it’s how it’s meant to be.
Because it's not the way it worked on the toys, and for good reason since it gives him really weird twiggy arms when he's supposed to be Robot Hulk.
@luminusprime There is a lot of ways Devy wasn’t like the toy in the cartoon, tough.
Totally agree ed. I am so glad i missed out on combiner wars devs
Man your on point with your reasons, you earned a sub. My thing is i thought transformers was about respecting which versions of transformers we like but some people like to judge and trash others if they dont agree
It's actually Metroplex, Trypticon etc that are out of scale in Titan class. Titan Class Omege Supreme, Tidal Wave etc are a better scale with other Transformers. But of course they can't make a proper to scale Metroplex. Personally I have room for both Constructicon sets. I'll keep Combiner Wars Devastator combined as the separate robots don't all have very good articulation and were designed around being a good Devastator with the separate robots a bit of an after thought. The new ones I'll display individually.
Man you are so on point emgo an you are the best reviewers in my opinion no body else comes close to you two guys congrats for hitting the nail so hard on the head for the new combiners coming out I think hasbro is killing to be honest
Thank you. EmGo is a class act. Im not worthy lol!!!
@superroboted yeah he is a great UA-camr and very honest about his reviews like you
@@MrMessanger Again Thank You...Truth in reviewing is what I aim for!!!
We should all just be grateful we have so many options… if you like CW combiners great, if you like the new legacy/aotp combiners great.
They all have pros and cons. I personally prefer CW Combiners so far because they are just good for play, mixing and matching making some crazy combinations 😂
But I can appreciate what the new legacy/aotp combiners are doing as a solid package with great articulation… g1 accuracy isn’t a big thing for me since i am a bit too young for the demographic. But if you grew up with that I can only imagine how much of a legendary figure it would be!!
I personally like CW Devastator because it’s a huge figure and I got it for a great price recently.
We all just gotta stop fighting hahaha we are all passionate about collecting 👌
I don't have a problem with the new gestalts however I love my unite warriors devastator and I love how he scales with Omega supreme.
The Studio Series one is obviously better, no contest! The plastic used for CW Devastator is garbage, as two pegs (one for Hook, another for Long Haul) have snapped off, and those two pegs are for combined mode, and because they broke off, the combined mode is unstable. Studio Series Devastator on the other hand, is very likely going to use better plastic, and the Studio Series one looks much better. My only issue with it is the Scavenger arm being flat, as it wasn't like that in the cartoon.
In terms of updated figures (as opposed to accurate figures), I'm sure that the UW Devastator is a bit better than the CW version, but pretty sure the same weak plastic is used.
Now, I do prefer the treads being a part of the arms, and not the torso, but the Studio Series one is supposed to be based on how he looked in the cartoon and movie, so it's alright.
Now, I just wonder how the upper legs will be done.
I have no problems with part forming. But since they were trying the whole weaponizers, why not make a robot/vehicle for the extra parts. Or do like a build a figure, and each figure for the combiner gets a part. I put my Takara CW Devastator (and PE upgrades, hated Mixmaster's little cab for a foot) on my Decepticon MP shelf, he looks good there, he was to big for the mainline. I'm not sure about this studio figure though...it's his shoulders...will they move at the treads or will they be like the CW one. Guess that's what I'm waiting on pictures of to decide.
I really do like the look of this one and was definitely planning on snatching it up... until I saw the Mecha Invasion version and its Size/Price/Sculpt. Went ahead and snatched up what I could of that set and pre-ordered the rest. Might still get this Devastator later on down the line when I can afford to have multiple molds of the same character again
I’ve seen the Mecha Invasion one too and it’s a bit over the top.
@superroboted its just got a lot of detail. Its transformation is super simple and its actually cheaper than the hasbro release if you account for them being MP scale. I like my bots to have alot of detail and I prefer a larger scale figure. Zeta toys (studio cell) just anounced a new devastator with a cybertronian look but it actually looks a little too chaotic.
WAIT..... I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THE MISSLE ON HIS HEAD. THE NBK VERSION IS MY GOTO .
I actually kinda liked the fat Longhaul in Combiner Wars. Reminded me of how Animated tried to make the Constructicons look like sterotypical human builders.
I'm hoping the SS86 version comes with drill fists.
100% agree with everything you said. The loudest complainers are the ones who never had plans on buying it in the first place.
Thank you...I could be wrong but this is my opinion.
Can't complaints be used as a way to justify why a person doesn't want to buy something?
Of course, but at the same time, those critiques must bare the scrutiny of reality. A lot of the complaints about SS86 Devastator do not hold up. And look, as someone who will buy SS86 Devastator I know going in that there will be an updated version in five to 10 years; however, when that happens I will fully acknowledge that it's an upgrade, but that I'm opting out because my SS86 version suits my needs. Unless the new version is such an obvious f**k up that it deserves to be heavily criticized. But again, SS86 Dev is not a f**k up. It is an almost objective step up from previous versions, if being G1 accurate is something you're looking for.
I got the unite warriors for Christmas from my ex fiancee. Best thing I got out of that relationship. My problem with the studio series devs is 1. It overpriced. 2. It's undersized, especially for the price. In my mind, devs should be bigger than the other gestalts because there is 6 bots vs 5. I love devs, but unless they are on sale, I am gonna pass on the studio series version.
Yeah, I feel with this set Hasbro said, "We made it look a little better, made them smaller, but we're charging you a lot more too." While they might be more toon accurate, the usual cheap design flaws make it a pass at full price. I have a Generation Toy set that looks great in combined mode. They aren't toon accurate, but maybe Hasbro will get it right in another 5 to 10 years or some third party will upscale one of the Legends offerings.
I personally never understood why people get mad at parts forming especially since it's always been a transformer staple since the very beginning. And doesn't every character that combines have extra parts in order to become said combiner?
Because we evolved past that point. We're at a point where partsforming is largely unnecessary. So to go back to it is lazy engineering at best and utterly stupid at worst.
With these combiner sizes legacy menasor and ss86 Dev, i wonder if this star convoy titan new price is gonna stick around and they will re-visit omega supreme and make it smaller to match the combiners and finally have the proper size Omega.
Also people freaking out thinking that the next combiners will have the frame skeleton like superion did, I dont think so, menasor and superion are special cases and need it for cartoon accuracy bruticus and the other combiners are more like devastator and i think they will combine in a similar way to ss86 Dev
I hope so. We also need a new larger scale above Titan class to get a better, bigger Metroplex, Fortress Maximus, and a SS86 Unicron.
Worst mistake of my life was buying that 50 dollar knockoff of CW Devastator. Squeaky, fiddly little things that had rail thin pegs (some of which snapped off).
I was practicially BEGGING Hasbro to do an 86 Devastator like how they did the ROTF Devastator by individual releases. I was literally jumping for JOY when I saw the listings when they first leaked.
Same here lol! But, better $50 for a KO than hundreds of dollars for the official CW version, or even more with the UW version.
I got the UW and putting my money on the 86. Might even get another 86 Devestator cause HE IS THE GOAT! The 3rd parties are just nah ain’t worth it.
Well I got Maketoys Green Giant and it is pretty good....for 2012 but it is starting to show its wear next Menasor
@ Shattered glass Hercules 3rd party one and it’s spot on fits with SG line up Hasbro made. The problem is I started mixing 3rd party with the chug line cause some characters Hasbro doesn’t want to do. Like make toys Dystopia aka Metrotitan, or mmcs DJD rest of the team. Tarn is a blessing but no way they would do the rest.
I still like my combiner wars version. I like how he's large and titanish
Thank you for pointing out how bad G1 Devastator was with those combine parts. I like how stable and posable and G1 cartoon accurate these new combiners are. They could always be better, but I am all in on all of them.
I don’t know about other devastators, but I am getting two of the studio series 86. it looks so good to me, that I want my son to own one too.
Bonecrusher looks like he’s wearing suspenders 😂
I never liked Combiner Wars or Unite Warriors. Contructicons looked just akward and I care how individual robots look like I don't always put my combiners in combined mode. Unite Warriors while they added much needed elbows the arms had still weird proportions. Studio Series has individuals look good and combined mode shapes to look good also, can't wait to get my hands on the whole set.
Love my CW dev! He looks great next to potp predaking and titans trypticon! I don't envy anyone having to hunt down and pay for six individual studio series constructions that have been downsized to fit the voyager scale. I mean I would too If i didn't have a dev, but damn am I glad I'm sparing myself that!
ALL FACTS . OMEGA WAS THE SAME SIZE AS DEVESTATOR IN THE SHOW. I PULLED OUT MY OG (1984) DEV THIS MORNING 💯💯💯💯
I may have complained a lot about AOTP Superion, but this one I kinda lean into it. I think it’s a great idea to sell Constructicons individually(except Hook and Long Haul) because this means every one of them will have their own transformations engineering without having to divide the money just to make one giant but flaws cons. I really prefer this over the combiners we got from the Legacy, it gets the job done right. I’m not gonna sugarcoat it but as a CW fan this one takes the win. This is what I want the updated combiners to be, a CW figures with modern engineering. Hell, I wouldn’t regret if I had to buy another Commander if it’s turn out to be the most articulated combiner.
I rather liked UW Devaststor. Titan size might be too large for him, but he was fun.
Devastator should always be a good bit larger then other combiners though since he is a 6 bot combiner amd techincally the "prototype" of the other G1 combiners. Plus he needs to be sizeable to go toe to tie with Omega Supreme.
I'm willing to give SS86 a chance. I just want some color shots, how the combination works and wish he was a bit larger.
his legs are short, and his chest looks like Rob Liefeld designed it
I mean....while he was a partsformer, the other g1 combiners weren't far behind. Devastator can't lose a foot. All the others could. You lose that foot plate, you're fucked. Same with fists, chest plate and the combiner heads. I don't care how they do it. Just make it good.
i already have CW devastator but im planning to gather this devastator too. im a third of the way there as so many are if you want him
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I have the original from the 80’s.
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Aside from Scrapper's floating fists and hollow arms, and Bonecrusher's legend-scale-style arms, SS86 is the way to go. Mixmaster's arms might also be an issue too. I just think they could've spent a little more time on those and given us better arms and maybe even wrist swivel. I'm 100% getting the Toyhax labels the moment they're released to make these guys more G1 toy accurate.
my cw devy didnt stand the test of time well so i went in on ss86
I heard that about him. I had the UW version not long but I had him for a few months before I sold him and got Green Giant instead.
It kinda just comes down to personal preference. I like scramble city style because the idea in fiction is that they're supposed to come together as the robots and form a giant Gestalt. The whole combination skeleton thing kind of kills the vibe for me. And I always liked a larger Devi because reasons and it's cool. I just go with what I think is cooler. Facts are, hastak made both. I would encourage healthy discussion over dirt flinging. There's really no such thing as right and wrong when you're talking about purely subjective fictional concepts.
Regardless, I was always put off by the issues with CW version so this'll be my first proper Devi and Superion.
Although tbf, Hasbro has a history of copying engineering from third party.
You can't scramble the Constructicons because even in G1 they had hard fixed points that were molded for each character.
I have the Jinbao Gravity Builder K/O Dev and at least two upgrade kits on the damn thing just so it stands up and doesn't fall over. The Sunk Cost Fallacy causes me to stick with this one.
I'm sticking with my TFC Hercules. The least amount of partsforming for any Six-Part Construction Combiner, roughly the right size, and could probably survive a direct artillery strike.
I prefer the newer combiners. Mensor looks great to me and from what I've seen Devestator and Superion are going to look great as well.
I feel like, if anything, predaking deserves to be a little bigger than the average combiner
WELL ACTUALLY LOL
in transformers zone trypticon was the same size as devestator
not everybody knows about Zone so I stay away from that..but yeah they sure were....weird.
I got the CW one and getting the new 86 one. Still strongly think the 86 one should be an inch or two taller than the other combiners but still a beautiful combiner.
Gonna keep both
I think the newest Menasor is the best version. Looks the most G1 cartoon accurate to me, to an extent. If I could only find a G1 Breakdown that isn’t super duper over scalped in price. Ridiculous.
My legacy menasor was great. Had the upgrade kit for him and toy hax stickers as well. I bet they make an upgrade kit for this devastator. Ed did you notice they don't have a decepticon symbol on devastator's cgest plate?
Its the greyscale model, what we say was a digibash or mockup colors and details that will be different on the final release
I never picked up the CW Devi and was looking to maybe pick the UW on eBay. But I think I will wait for this new Devastator.
1:00 I disagree with this. I feel that it is impossible to make the titans into figures and have them be proper scale. However, omega supreme being a titan class makes sense and I feel all the combiners should also be titan class since devastator was just slightly shorter than omega supreme. I also think while the ss86 ultra magnus looks great, I don’t see a world where he should be taller than grimlock and the dinobots. They have gotten better with scale, but I think they have definitely made some mistakes.
Great comparisons it is personal preference and styles there are purest and realest , and the affordability personally I buy KO third party because it’s affordable but I have that nostalgic memory each time I look at my collection
I like that they are mostly deluxe size. Combiners should be almost the same size.
A undersized KO of CW devastator is available. But they KO the US version.
So Still some of them has no elbow articulation. But they are deluxe size like the SS-86 version.
So SS-86 is the best version.
I never personally cared about the size, tough. I care about the look of the vehicles, the individual bots and Devastator. I think UW Bonecrucher look better and that the right leg of UW Devastator look better. I also personnally like how stupidly big he is.
UW was the best CW Dev but also the more expensive and hard come by. I knew the SS86 Dev was coming but didn't know when so when Hasbro released it again as an Amazon exclusive, I jumped in to get. Do I regrate it? No, I still like it even with the flaws and there are a lot of them. Clearly the SS86 Dev is going to be the superior version, same height as the other combiners, better articulation, better individual bots and above all a much better stability in combined mode.
Im good with my UW version. If they do a knockoff of the SS86 ill pick that up, also is Scrapper just going to be off center or us he on a slider? That leg looks like trash
looking forward to it
It looks ok.. I still like my Unite Warriors version. Will have to see price point on this since the QC has gone down whereas the prices have gone up. Just had to take back a Magmatron with arms installed BACKWARDS. 😒
QC man Hasbro can never get it right....
hope the new devastator is well articulated.
Agreed. SS86 will be much better than that CW or UW one. I sold my CW Devastator at a loss when Hasbro released a SS version.
I hade this theory for a long time that there was more then one version of Construticons in G1 show so in my cannon the CW Version is the one seen in heavy metal wars and the SS version is the one seen in the secret of omega supreme. However, if they release a G2 version of the SS Construticon I guess I’ll just have to own three. I like the idea of a few of the combiners being bigger. Devestator, Predaking, Raiden and Liokiser should all be Titan class. Perhaps Raiden and Liokiser could be Haslabs. Clearly the Legacy version of the stuntacons is way better then the CW version anyone saying different needs their head examined but the CW Arialbots were one of the better CW groups so I guess I could see a little bit of an argument there although I'm sure the aotp version will be better.
Nooo... don't people not to buy CW Devastator! I'm trying to sell mine! XD
Well...the feet of the SS Devastator look better than Unite Warriors but the rest looks janky
Truer Facts have never been spoken. I am curious as to who the bloody hell thought the CW Constructicons are "superior", though.😮😮😮 Also, you're over 9000% right about how if you don't have certain things from the G1, you *can't* form Devastator. Wasn't there a set of indimavidually released G2 Constructicons back in the day that didn't have the Devastator parts?? 🤔🤔🤔
And how are folks not realizing that even the CW mold has - as you hilariously put it - "the help-me parts". (I am gonna have to add that to the collection!) The forearms? That's probably always gonna have to partsform into place, as is the chest wing. Sure, they learned to incorporate Devy's head into Hook, and they cheated away the thighs in exchange for Long Haul being EXTRA THICC...but was it worth it?? I don't think that it was, and I say that as someone who owns that Cool Become Brave downsized KO, which is a more accurate size but still carries all the dumb design decisions of The CW (and then adds poor materials choices to the mix).
I think where folks are gettin' butthurt is that - overall higher prices on Deluxes & Voyagers aside - they're sticking a third of the team (Hook & Long Haul) and The Help-Me Parts into a potentially difficult to obtain Commander priced box set. (Only thing I find odd is that it appears that Hasbro done went and stuck with the goofy hand design of CW Devy for SS86 Devy...like...why?? Would it really have cost them that much more money to use the Siege Jetfire/Legacy Evolution Armada Optimus (Super Mode) hands??
I've always brought up the Omega Supreme scale issue. While he's scales with deluxes, voyager and leaders, he should be dwarfed by metroplex and the likes. But it's more of a 'Titans are too small' problem. I skipped all hasbro devastator, I prefer my Jinbao Oversized.
I couldn't justify Combiner Wars Devestator or even the knockoff Dev because of how ugly it was to me. Im glad they are redoing these combiners. This will be the last transformer from the line I will buy so will be worth it!
And Jinbao Devastator 2.0 rules them all! 😉
I always wanted to get the CW devastator, but the titan size in contrats to the rest of the CW and the weird joints and looks of the figures was the breaking deal for me( i still think this version where meant for the legend/core class figure lines. The UW version had much better improvements over the CW one plus the missing weapons for each individual figure, but still it had the issue that it was to big for me and he would look weird with the rest of the CW.
Now the SS version im very interested and looking forwrd for more info on this guy.
I so can’t wait for them! I have CW one & he is huge I get why ppl think he should be that big due to the toon & how bad they did with size but I’m happy with them being the new size now I think Jetfire should of been smaller & skylinxs should of been bigger lol but man CW devy sucks to stand & I agree100%
Even the UW version suffers from stability. I used to not stand him up for a while
@@superroboted yup I have a dio and he is fighting omga more like using him to stand up lol so I can’t wait for the new one as those sizes are right on maybe a inch taller but they will make a kit to get him taller lol
People should just collect what they like and stop fighting LOL.
The Studio Series is a definite step up, but I still think it’s disappointing. They just look…cheap. Same thing for the Aerialbots.
No.. all bs... the truth superior is rotf the best devastator in all time..... hehehhehhe.
joke a side... i just hope, we get a update version 2 foc brusticus toy we need rework on that too
Look that ROTF Devastator got some 🏀🏀 on him😂😂😂
I think the arms on the new one will work exactly the same way as the CW version so the new one will still look goofy to you. Personally I think all the new Transformers designs have gotten worse, like they are being designed by different people at Takara or something. Something is very off and I am done with Generations/Studio Series. Absolutely nothing revealed recently is appealing to me at all. And Hasbro is all about licensing Transformers to death now anyway so I don't think the actual transforming toys will last much longer anyway. For me Transformers as a brand has turned into that joke from Spaceballs about the merchandizing.
are you aware of how tall rockets are?
It doesn't matter...they were scaled wrong.
Hercules devestator is the best
SRE my bro, I'll be leaving my Unite Warriors version in their awesome individual bots to work our some amazing construction marvel/project with my Classics Solar Storm Grappel.
Meanwhile, I have the YotS Omega Supreme triple-tag-teamed with Energon Omega Supreme & Omega Sentinel just waiting to beat up this new monstrosity HasTakTom is about to churn out from the assembly line! It's gonna be the 'Ultimate Beat Down of 2025', my man!
PS. Where's Hauler when you need him?! 😅
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That’s a lot of Omegas!!! My son found most of our Energon Omega Supreme. Sadly when I bought him second hand off eBay he wasn't complete.
@superroboted Great for your boy to have such a historic representation nonetheless, my bro. That's something special right there.
Aye, I really love the Unicron Trilogy quality toy lines. Truth be told, looking at how some of the upcoming Constructicons have no waist articulation, ala old skool TFs, opens up a doorway back to the past, my bro. Not only will they go nicely in battle scenes with the RID Construction brothers, Build Typhoon,
I will definitely be pitting them against the likes of Armada Smokescreen (both the orange & blue versions), US Hoist, Japan Grap Super Mode & Cybertron Longrack; also GF Gigalonia Megalo Convoy, Cybertron Menasor & Quickmix, plus joining forces with Armada Universe Ransack, Cybertron Universe Heavy Load, Power Core Combiners & Energon Steamhammer.
Man, the sheer number of Construction-based Transformers ranging from G1 Micromasters to UT Microns are mind-numbing!
My true happiness is knowing how the awesome Thrilling 30 Double-Targetmaster Scoop and his Takara repaint, Adventure Roadblock, will finally have properly scaled friends & foes to build and destroy together! 😀
PS. Fingers crossed, HasTakTom will eventually retool some of the SS '86 construction vehicle designs into the missing Double-Targetmasters Landfill & Quickmix (using Long Haul & Mixmaster, respectively), SRE! 🌠
Hasbro's combiners are largely "meh" at best. The Studio 86 version is still a decade or more behind the 3rd Party scene. The whole Combiners Wars era was garbage. If nothing else, the Studio 86 Devy looks like the best polished turd Hasbro has put out in a long time. I've had MakeToys, Generation Toys, and the upscaled GT knockoff Devys for years. I was largely done collecting TFs, but after seeing what Mecha Invasion, Dreamstar, and 01 Studios are doing, it looks like i may be getting three new Devys. I can't justify buying anything Hasbro these days.
This SS86 Devastator is too short along with the bots they've shown thus far. Instead of showing Devy next to Prime, how about next to the leader class Sludge and/or Slag while they are in bot mode? Each constructicon should be voyager size, and none deluxe. They should be barely shorter than Soundwave and/or Thrust like they were getting bopped in the mouth with the jab and... *_hook._*
SS86 should scale with each other as a part of the 1986 movie. It's really that simple. Height comparisons with Menasor and/or Superion are moreso in the categories of 'nice to haves' rather than must m haves, because those gestalts were NOT in that '86 movie.
CW long haul sucks!!
I don't care about Devastator. Always thought he was boring. I had him in the 80s but never played with him much. I have the Chinese CW KO that they shrunk down. That's good enough for me just so I can have the character in my collection. The Studio Series looks ok but I don't care about the character at all. I like him in the 86 movie & fighting him in Devastation is fun. But I just don't care about any toys of him.
Its so.. bulky
So stuby
I agree with you, it looks perfect. But reallly, i can't by a voyager Scrapper that has actually a deluxe size. Hasbro pushes it too far this time.
CW dev does look bad but these new ones look terrible too. stubby ahh devy thighs and clearly a retool shrunken version of CW for the most part
Nah, that Menasor is awesome. you're just trying to be a hater.
both legacy and combiner wars menasors suck
1) it needs fully integrated hands and feet and chest plate. Sick of this partsforming bs.
2) it needs to NOT be the stupid-ass skeleton bs that’s replaced all the scramble city capabilities of combiners nowadays ala the new Superion.