Could not agree more on the depth of the face cut !!!! It needs to be adjusted on most tree's, and it's just a matter of a little thought and understanding of the entire picture !!!! I've gotten flack from other tree cutters about my face cut depth but it's just Not a one size fits all and the middle of the tree gives you the widest hinge possible !!! Ok enough rambling 😂😂 Another Great video August.... Thank you ❤❤
The best videos you've put up, that pertain to this type of situation (there's several, actually) are the 4 you pulled with the chip truck winch. "Pulling 4 back leaners", is the name of the first video, if I remember right. It's like a 3, or 4 part series and you go into a bit of detail, multiple camera angles, it's perfect. It really helped me understand, and feel comfortable, pulling leaners against their lean.
I remember those. Iirc, he even pulled black locust, which I cut a lot of at the house. I pull a lot of hard leaners, since I for the most part work alone, I've got to get it right. Something helpful for me is having a skidding winch on the tractor, I've got quite a few videos using it to pull trees against their lean, but don't have many that get into the instructional side of it. Have a great day.
@@brettblack7049 He has a bunch of videos, showing this exact situation, likely because people question it a lot. There's even one where he used a 50" bar on his old 088, or 880, whatever it was. That thing was a monster and had huge back lean, and by doing what he describes here, and being confident in his knowledge, he made it look easy. I work by myself too, and I just use a ropes, shackles, and a good hand crank winch. Works just fine for me.
Awesome video once again! It’s nice to hear a professional give credit to a shop owner who was clearly open and honest about his attention to detail too. Must be the day for chain sharpening on UA-cam… buckins just done a video too on sharpening.
Amen! Well said. Btw, you offered to send a loaner CS 2511t a few weeks ago, I declined your generous offer and have been kicking myself in the butt ever since. Ended up getting one. I love it! Arrived at our Louisiana property to find a monsterous storm blow down, the big saw and my new little peanut are getting several tanks of gas through them. Text books can't tell one how to clean this mess up. A little understanding of physics and common sense will have to do. I agree with your philosophy. Love the video, looking forward to the next. Blessings Sir.
Rules exist for beginners who don't know why the rules exist. The rules are a fast and easy way to keep people safe without intellectual overload. Once the context of the rules is fully understood the rules can be bent or broken.
The water mister does not work well in the United States. It just blows air on the tooth to keep it cool. In Europe the grinders spin at a different rpm an the mister works better. Here it just makes a mess.
@@nich1067 If we are assuming 2 pole motors, in USA they will spin 20% faster. I'd be surprised if they aren't on VSDs anyway. Not seeing how wheel speed would make much difference to the mess, if there is a mess you are likely running to much coolant. Not saying there wont be a mess, its a question of if reducing wheel speed 20% would make a difference.
I have a electric bench grinder/sharpener and once I set it for my chain I can leave it there and sharpen my chain 2 or 3 times without adjusting it. It just skims the blades and sharpens them nicely. And it keeps it at factory type standard. The chain last a long time also unless something bad happens while cutting wood.
The right teeth grind outwards along the edge, the left teeth grind inwards against the edge. This seems like a pretty major shortcoming. Even for free it is expensive.
I really liked the video. My friend and I do tree removal. We used to do it part time, but he went full time now, and owns his own company. One of the secrets that we've had that lets us get jobs for a fraction of the price and time of other services is a skid loader with a big hydraulic cable winch. We use a 40,000 lb crane strap and a 5/8 inch cable. We can pull over trees that other services have to climb - huge trees. Very safely. I love seeing someone else doing this. (And doing it better, I have no doubt. August, you've forgotten more about trees than we know...) Do you get nervous doing this with cottonwoods? We do - we're worried the holding wood will snap. Just don't tell the services around us - we like those guaranteed jobs! 🙂
The cottonwoods around here seem to be fibrous and super strong. I actually broke a pull rope and the weight fell backwards on the hinge and it didn't break. I was super impressed and thankful it didn't snap off and go through the house behind it😱 crazy strong
I use a skidding winch on my tractor to do the same thing. I don't worry about the hinge wood breaking because I set my line of pull up 180 to the lean, set the cable/rope so there is just enough pull to hold the tree up(after pulling on the tree to make sure I have enough power to pull it over), make my face cut, bore cut to set the hinge, then drop down below the bore cut for the back cut, walk to the skidding winch and hit the lever. Sometimes I do move a little faster when it's windy or there is rot in the base/trunk lol. Doing it this way greatly reduces the risk of having one go sideways. Have a great day.
@@brettblack7049 I assume that winch is hooked up to the PTO? I've heard those are even better than hydraulic for raw pulling power. What size tractor? Do you ever worry the tree will pull the tractor? We will chain the skid loader to a tree or we'll park it behind a tree with the winch cage in the dirt to make sure nothing can move. Most of the time we don't need to, since a 9000 lb track loader with locked tracks doesn't tend to move.
That chain sharpener is pretty high tech. Did he happen to mention how it works if there are two cutters in sucession on the same side? I have a few chains that are like this, presumably due to the number of drive links.
ANSI is a private organization, not a governmental agency. Osha ocassionally looks to ANSI guidelines and attempt to enforce them as best practice, but courts don't always let them get away with that.
That machine looked like it was grinding the depth gauge of the tooth it previously sharpened. Wonder how it knows what depth to knock the guides down??? Cool machine, but I don't know if I would trust it. Curious how the final result is on a chain that has been "rocked" or "nailed"?
@StihlChainsaws The video showed him adjusting the maker grinder by eye/experience once he had a few teeth ground how he wanted them. Then reset the counter to go to full automatic mode.
The pull has to be realistic, I had one last week that could've been really bad. 80yr old homeowner was my only help, I had a 110ft white pine, I climbed and removed all brush and the top, but I left the stub about 75 ft. It was codomimate and also had a jog coming outta the ground heading south about 6 ft before it went up the 110.. so it was heading south no matter what. I cheated it and took it Southwest, planned on leaving a post on the high side.. the old man was in his truck pulling it for me. We went over thr plan, and he said he could see me and was g2g.. after I started the back cut, 5 seconds of cutting, he took off, plus I had a 3to1 on it, and thus tree was 3ft across at the base, it would've worked fine, but he pulled way before the hinge and broke thr tree about 10ft up, i stayed in the cut as long as I could, trying to save it, while hearing it snap and break apart. Nobody was hurt, but could've been deadly..I work alone way to often.
Your story illustrates how critical precise and timely communication is between those two workers doing that job. That's where the investment in high-quality two-way communication devices really pays off. I also watch off-road recovery videos and they have found wireless headsets to be invaluable for similar reasons.
In my experience, 55+ years, grinders are suited for rocked chains or for destroying chains in the hands of the incompetent, because precision file guide by Granberg can do the job quickly, CHEAPLY, and in a way than promotes chain longevity. Like no grinder can, IMO. Got good judgment, use it, and ignore ankle-biters, August. And ... if you use a moisture meter on the bucked & split wood from dead-standing tree, you'll find that the much of it is notably wetter than optimum for burning in a woodstove.
From what I’ve seen, it doesn’t relate to age, but rather to “formal“ education. Official school type settings are the ones who corrupt minds with over standardization.
The amount of people that have lived off info that has never been proved is insane. Its not just in tree work for sure.
Could not agree more on the depth of the face cut !!!! It needs to be adjusted on most tree's, and it's just a matter of a little thought and understanding of the entire picture !!!! I've gotten flack from other tree cutters about my face cut depth but it's just Not a one size fits all and the middle of the tree gives you the widest hinge possible !!! Ok enough rambling 😂😂 Another Great video August.... Thank you ❤❤
Most times the middle is the widest, but if it's soft on one side it's not the best option. As said, one size doesn't fit all.
Be safe out there :).
@@brettblack7049 😊👍👍
The best videos you've put up, that pertain to this type of situation (there's several, actually) are the 4 you pulled with the chip truck winch. "Pulling 4 back leaners", is the name of the first video, if I remember right. It's like a 3, or 4 part series and you go into a bit of detail, multiple camera angles, it's perfect. It really helped me understand, and feel comfortable, pulling leaners against their lean.
I remember those. Iirc, he even pulled black locust, which I cut a lot of at the house. I pull a lot of hard leaners, since I for the most part work alone, I've got to get it right. Something helpful for me is having a skidding winch on the tractor, I've got quite a few videos using it to pull trees against their lean, but don't have many that get into the instructional side of it.
Have a great day.
@@brettblack7049 He has a bunch of videos, showing this exact situation, likely because people question it a lot. There's even one where he used a 50" bar on his old 088, or 880, whatever it was. That thing was a monster and had huge back lean, and by doing what he describes here, and being confident in his knowledge, he made it look easy.
I work by myself too, and I just use a ropes, shackles, and a good hand crank winch. Works just fine for me.
Awesome video once again! It’s nice to hear a professional give credit to a shop owner who was clearly open and honest about his attention to detail too. Must be the day for chain sharpening on UA-cam… buckins just done a video too on sharpening.
Buckin’ does a video on sharpening every couple minutes
Love the amount of knowledge shared in these videos ✊
Perfectly clear
This makes perfect sense to me brotha. Appreciate the videos!!!💪💪💪
Amen! Well said. Btw, you offered to send a loaner CS 2511t a few weeks ago, I declined your generous offer and have been kicking myself in the butt ever since. Ended up getting one. I love it! Arrived at our Louisiana property to find a monsterous storm blow down, the big saw and my new little peanut are getting several tanks of gas through them. Text books can't tell one how to clean this mess up. A little understanding of physics and common sense will have to do. I agree with your philosophy. Love the video, looking forward to the next. Blessings Sir.
👊🏼😎 yes!
Enjoyed the video. Very interesting.
Super Mega Command... I like it. Met Nick last year. Super cool dude. Very helpful
Thanks August :) Useful stuff there...
August great video love it ( ty Ron )
The poetry!!
Rules exist for beginners who don't know why the rules exist. The rules are a fast and easy way to keep people safe without intellectual overload. Once the context of the rules is fully understood the rules can be bent or broken.
"You think that's air you're breathing "
That grinder was great, I could watch it all day.
Absolutely correct my friend, don’t let the “safety police” take away tools out of the tool kit!!!!!
I have never seen an automated sharpener. Thanks for sharing.
The grinder does have mist cooling. Doesn't look like its running. The block at the front of the machine with two clear/blue hoses running to it.
The water mister does not work well in the United States. It just blows air on the tooth to keep it cool. In Europe the grinders spin at a different rpm an the mister works better. Here it just makes a mess.
@@nich1067 If we are assuming 2 pole motors, in USA they will spin 20% faster. I'd be surprised if they aren't on VSDs anyway. Not seeing how wheel speed would make much difference to the mess, if there is a mess you are likely running to much coolant. Not saying there wont be a mess, its a question of if reducing wheel speed 20% would make a difference.
Firewood! 😍
.....love that chain sharpener. 😃👍❤🌲
Interesting about the gob cut good chat mate 👍
I have a electric bench grinder/sharpener and once I set it for my chain I can leave it there and sharpen my chain 2 or 3 times without adjusting it. It just skims the blades and sharpens them nicely. And it keeps it at factory type standard. The chain last a long time also unless something bad happens while cutting wood.
It’s an August video….I’ll watch it! Lol
Cool robot!!!
The right teeth grind outwards along the edge, the left teeth grind inwards against the edge. This seems like a pretty major shortcoming. Even for free it is expensive.
...i was a chain sharpening robot once.
😂
Good pulling power!!!🌳💚👊👍💚🌳
I really liked the video. My friend and I do tree removal. We used to do it part time, but he went full time now, and owns his own company. One of the secrets that we've had that lets us get jobs for a fraction of the price and time of other services is a skid loader with a big hydraulic cable winch. We use a 40,000 lb crane strap and a 5/8 inch cable. We can pull over trees that other services have to climb - huge trees. Very safely. I love seeing someone else doing this. (And doing it better, I have no doubt. August, you've forgotten more about trees than we know...)
Do you get nervous doing this with cottonwoods? We do - we're worried the holding wood will snap.
Just don't tell the services around us - we like those guaranteed jobs! 🙂
The cottonwoods around here seem to be fibrous and super strong. I actually broke a pull rope and the weight fell backwards on the hinge and it didn't break. I was super impressed and thankful it didn't snap off and go through the house behind it😱 crazy strong
I use a skidding winch on my tractor to do the same thing.
I don't worry about the hinge wood breaking because I set my line of pull up 180 to the lean, set the cable/rope so there is just enough pull to hold the tree up(after pulling on the tree to make sure I have enough power to pull it over), make my face cut, bore cut to set the hinge, then drop down below the bore cut for the back cut, walk to the skidding winch and hit the lever. Sometimes I do move a little faster when it's windy or there is rot in the base/trunk lol. Doing it this way greatly reduces the risk of having one go sideways.
Have a great day.
@@brettblack7049 I assume that winch is hooked up to the PTO? I've heard those are even better than hydraulic for raw pulling power. What size tractor? Do you ever worry the tree will pull the tractor? We will chain the skid loader to a tree or we'll park it behind a tree with the winch cage in the dirt to make sure nothing can move. Most of the time we don't need to, since a 9000 lb track loader with locked tracks doesn't tend to move.
@@brettblack7049 man w/ a plan! Think it thru!!!
Explained correctly.
Robbie the Franzen Robot was very cool. A day in the life.
Used to have a stihl usg, nice machine. But, i mainly hand file, so it just sat.. sold it ;)
Pulling with a tracked machined makes a big difference. I think most fails on pulling leaners over is the machine doing the pulling.
Another great video filled with gems of knowledge from experience instead of verbage from a textbook. Thanks !!
That chain sharpener is pretty high tech. Did he happen to mention how it works if there are two cutters in sucession on the same side? I have a few chains that are like this, presumably due to the number of drive links.
Nick and his 24K machine could do 10 chains while I do 1, and hid would be perfect while I am less than perfect, the 24K is a great deal!
Definatley pullin big stumps over. No canopy help it tip.
KISS THE CUTTER! 😂
Interesting on the cutters. Would you comment on rackers, can you do skip tooth rakers? ...Is it 'must all the same height? Thanks
Those questions were answered in video
ANSI is a private organization, not a governmental agency. Osha ocassionally looks to ANSI guidelines and attempt to enforce them as best practice, but courts don't always let them get away with that.
Have asked before about chain sharpening, do you file or grind ? You should do a video, please.
File
Amen, the book learnt guys just don’t grasp things brought by experience
Conscientiousness................I had to look up how to spell it.
I’m really surprised how many powerlines are there, here in Luxembourg 🇱🇺 europe most of them are in the soil, cheers and thanks for the video
That machine looked like it was grinding the depth gauge of the tooth it previously sharpened. Wonder how it knows what depth to knock the guides down???
Cool machine, but I don't know if I would trust it. Curious how the final result is on a chain that has been "rocked" or "nailed"?
I guess it has a set size it grinds all teeth. That would make guides easier to keep correct.....interesting👍
@StihlChainsaws The video showed him adjusting the maker grinder by eye/experience once he had a few teeth ground how he wanted them. Then reset the counter to go to full automatic mode.
do you round file? square file? or both?
I really want that chain sharpening machine. But my bank account says I need to hand file
You going to buy a couple of those grinders? I'm whining about the price of Siemens if I switch to square ground.
OHS Never actual made/done anything, but are more than happy to tell you how. (that's not to say OHS doesn't have a place but damn)
Nice machine but wow it's expensive for what it does :O
When are we going to see the old green 🛻 truck
When it runs
#getaugustto200k
The pull has to be realistic, I had one last week that could've been really bad. 80yr old homeowner was my only help, I had a 110ft white pine, I climbed and removed all brush and the top, but I left the stub about 75 ft. It was codomimate and also had a jog coming outta the ground heading south about 6 ft before it went up the 110.. so it was heading south no matter what. I cheated it and took it Southwest, planned on leaving a post on the high side.. the old man was in his truck pulling it for me. We went over thr plan, and he said he could see me and was g2g.. after I started the back cut, 5 seconds of cutting, he took off, plus I had a 3to1 on it, and thus tree was 3ft across at the base, it would've worked fine, but he pulled way before the hinge and broke thr tree about 10ft up, i stayed in the cut as long as I could, trying to save it, while hearing it snap and break apart. Nobody was hurt, but could've been deadly..I work alone way to often.
Your story illustrates how critical precise and timely communication is between those two workers doing that job. That's where the investment in high-quality two-way communication devices really pays off. I also watch off-road recovery videos and they have found wireless headsets to be invaluable for similar reasons.
Many times it's safer working alone, and there's an excellent way to pull stems like you were working on by yourself ;).
My favorite method besides competent help is my wireless remote control winch in my pocket.
@@AugustHunicke I could definately use one.. ill show ya the pic of this crazy stem, if I can figure out how to share it with you.
In my experience, 55+ years, grinders are suited for rocked chains or for destroying chains in the hands of the incompetent, because precision file guide by Granberg can do the job quickly, CHEAPLY, and in a way than promotes chain longevity. Like no grinder can, IMO. Got good judgment, use it, and ignore ankle-biters, August. And ... if you use a moisture meter on the bucked & split wood from dead-standing tree, you'll find that the much of it is notably wetter than optimum for burning in a woodstove.
Yes if found you dont needa go back to worst tooth. Nuther old skool myth i rekons.
Yer struggle to explain to older fullas that a deeper face is good. Past a third goes against everything they were taught. Cheers
From what I’ve seen, it doesn’t relate to age, but rather to “formal“ education.
Official school type settings are the ones who corrupt minds with over standardization.