The main point of the new Routemaster or Borismaster was to have an open rear platform to avoid the disgraceful treatment of passengers seen at 2:18, which was always too common with London Transport. If the new one doesn't have the open platform it may as well be a standard vehicle.
Those are “Volvo hybrid” not the “extended range hybrid diesel-electric” and the rear door is missing, yes, a nominal bus ~ but the front is styled on the routemaster - similar to that of Alexander Dennis city bus ~ where the front of it mimics a routemaster and those are [hybrid/battery electric]
Not really, if it wasn't for that door no one would ever get on a bus because you stop at a bus stop and you will never get going again. You have to be able to board a bus while it's moving.
Also what I like to add is, the route 38 conductor changeover was at Essex Road / Newington Green Road bus stop (towards Victoria) and Mildmay Park / Southgate Road bus stop (Towards Hackney Central/Clapton Pond).
Want to know the REAL reason London Transport is getting rid of the Wrightbus? I'm a pensioner with a free pass - and so take advantage of my travel ticket - BUT - virtually every time I travelled on a route that had a rear and mid entrance for passengers - I noticed passengers who'd waited at the bus stop - and even if no-one was waiting to board at the front entrance (where the driver would see the passenger presenting their ticket and the machinery there would verify their ticket) - they'd board at the centre or - particularly - at the rear - and DO NOTHING WITH THE TICKET CHECKER. I mentioned this to a driver at the end of my journey one day - that I'd noticed at least half a dozen passengers had just boarded and sat down ignoring the ticket checkers - and he said he knew and that LT was getting rid of these buses because they were losing so much money..! Why is it that the BBC and other media channels avoid mentioning anything to do with that - I betcha it's because they realise that at least 50% of British average person is a skiving cheat - but that would tarnish their 'media image'... That's one tiny aspect of your world today, folk - and I'll leave you with a quote (that's not from me): 'Every individual is guilty of every evil they refuse to learn how to prevent.'
When I had a paper Travelcard I also ignored Oyster card readers - but it did not mean that I was dodging my fares. Also, what about the trams and DLR which have open boarding at all stops?
I did note other passengers who had the Travelcard and they tended to show it to the driver - maybe it was a matter of conscience - but those who blatantly waited at the middle and end of the bus - even walked from the from the front entrance on purpose when the bus came - indifferently board the bus and find a seat and sit. Again - it's up to their own consciences. One point I have to make about passengers - virtually every time - it's a female passenger - even in a long queue - and when it's her time to board - she has to put down her shopping - open her handbag - then her purse - and then take out her Oyster card or whatever and after 30 seconds - register it - then, standing in the same position (with several people behind her with their cards in their hands) while putting the card carefully back in her purse, purse into her handbag, closing the handbag and then picking up all her shopping and moving to a seat as if nothing out of the ordinary had happened. The times they do that in payment queues at supermarkets - but - everyone's own mother quietly mentally diverts them from any comment. I'll leave it to other people's consciences..!
it would be technically really challenging to replace all the buses in London overnight, so old and new models will be there together for some time I'm sure.
brilliant video, at least the NRM design will live on as the two door SRM. it will be interesting to see the NRMs on East London Transit routes which is expected to enter service throughout February.
Hey citytransportinfo, just wanted to let you know that I think electric buses have started entering service on route 360 - got on LJ16 EZS - BYD bus which wasn't BYD/ADL and doesn't show up on LVF!! Very strange
another superb video. looks like we going to enter the 2020s with buses (and taxis/black cabs) that are "permitted" to pollute "our" (world-class?) city. unless Brexit has made any impact (which i think it won't) the population of London is still forecast to increase by 100,000 every year for the next ten years...this means more traffic and more health issues. "we" really need to "up-our-game" now...more tree-planting, switch to zero-emissions transport system etc.
Kahn is accelerating the implementation of zero emmission zones, and enlarging the zones. The most polluted corridors of the city are also receiving the zero emission buses first.
jim kaf yeh but he is also narrowing roads which creates more congestion and more pollution. I am all for electric Ultra low emission and hybrid ultra low emission zone but narrowing roads isn't the way to do it. his failure to make smart roads will kill him if the conservatives or lib Dems cease on this.
On the new 2 door RTM, they need to have windows that can open. I have been on route 183 and at the top is not good. Even if the aircon is working. The 3 door ones, have it.
This video is very interesting, informative and also contains some looks at very fine details, thank you for sharing! I also appreciate the complex description, there is lots of useful information!
Did you know that in France and other European countries, you don't need catenaries for electric trams? Thanks to a system called APS (Can't remember what it stands for) you can have the electrification under the road, away from people, so is does not ruin aesthetics, and is completely safe!
Yes, here is a link to my webpage about Alimentation Par Sol (ground level power supply) in Bordeaux citytransport.info/Bod.htm btw, I walked on the power supply rails and can attest to their being safe! This page includes information about some other power supply technologies which do not used overhead wires. citytransport.info/Trams02.htm btw, overhead wires are the least expensive power supply solution
I really like the new routemasters, They are the worlds best bus to be honest. Comfy, beautiful looking, disabled people can see the next stop, and nostalgic. I remember getting the 48 to London bridge and the seats were like rock! I wasn't lucky enough to get the 1 remaining New Routemaster. I heard they're getting discontinued, too expensive I guess. Really same :(
Worth tracking the safety recalls (steering failure especially - 468 buses lose PAS when inverter blows up. The other recall links to the rear doors interlock - slightly less likely to cause a crash) crashes (runaway and brake failures especially - logic lock-out prevents regeneration braking when electric motor is driving but analysis suggests system still sees 'normal' condition even if 'drive' signal is false - so the EBS brakes are inhibited but the system thinks they are working and the foundation (standby) direct braking system (installed under the normal brake pedal) is locked out) In the event of such a logic failure, especially a run-away motor the action would I suspect be to totally isolate traction (and control) battery and apply the parking brake - independent and direct spring application, but brutal with no ability to feather the brake and control the way the bus slows down, with the note that this brake should not be relied on when the 'heavyweight'' bus is parked on a hill - it only works on the back axle. With the power off the PAS will also be knocked out, so the driver will need biceps like Popeye the Sailorman to steer the bus. Then we consider the overheating issue, where I suspect a problem common in refridgeration systems comes into play. To 'pump' heat from one place to another the destination must be able to soak away the heat being sent there (see Second law of Thermodynamics or listen to Flanders & Swann's lyrical explanation) the 'evaporator coils' in the place to be cooled down have the pressurised refridgerant fluid fed in and like all evaporation it sucks in heat (water does this naturally - 2.5 million calories to evaporate one gallon) a pump then pressurises the now gas and it becomes hot, and liquifies under pressure, as it enters the condenser coils - these are mounted at the rear and outside on the NBFL, with a forced airflow and a filter.....If the filter blocks or the outside temperature simply gets too high the condenser no longer delivers cooled-down liquid back to the evaporator, and rather than remove heat the system actually pumps heat back into the place you are trying to cool down (oddly enough this is the reported phenomenum with NBFL on hot days) take the bus out of service, and back to a cool sheltered bus garage to test it.... and the system works fine! This us also a reason why you will never get a satisfactory operation air conditioned tube trains as the heat removed from the carriages can only go into the tunnels, where .. it heats up the carriages and reduces the efficiency of the condenser coils. There is one emergency reserve option available on every train, which could be delivered - that could deliver a 1-shot cooling down, and humidity reduction option - for example on a stranded train, but this would be strictly a 1-off option, as the 'heat removal' credit has been delivered by a previous heat dump. Finally - with the London 'decker' length just about standardised at 10.3 metres, the NBFL throws a spanner in the works with the enhanced rear overhang (to almost 12 metres - the original UK limit for rigid buses - now its 15 metres with 3 axles, but the rear axle has to be a steered axle, and 18 metres for an artic, and the rear outswing limit for pulling away from a kerb has been increased from 0.8m to 1.2m) All this means is that the NBFL dictates the limits to which entry/exit 'flares' to bus stations can be 'tightened' to reduce crossing distances, and bus entry speeds, and it messes up the original arrangements for bus stands and bus stops, where the extra metre means that buses no longer fit the original space, and can stick put to block junctions, or mask the sight-lines for pedestrian crossings. Some contrast really - that the RM took nearly a decade to develop, and produced possibly still the lightest bus per passenger, with sub frames for engine and transmission, which have permitted at least 3 engine upgrades with minimal upheaval and 2 length extensions to RML and XRM. It is highly manouevreable as well with the forward mounted steering axle. We await the true successor design...
Very interesting (as an original RM driver X garage 84-86). We had one of the best trolleybus systems in the country down here in Bournemouth. Crazy getting rid of it. RATP run Yellow Buses here now too.
I recall travelling on one of your trolleybuses, I was a very young child and my father was there on business... we travelled as a family group (even his mother came along!) and although I do not recall all the details I do remember making a fuss with my mother and grandmother because we needed to catch a bus and I wanted to travel on a bus that had two arms on its roof! I also recall returning a few years later (this was probably 1969) and instead of seeing trolleybuses I saw partially dismantled trolleybus wires.
As citytransportinfo says, the only heritage Routemaster operation that remains is on route 15. The route 9 heritage Routemaster operation ended in 2014 after TfL decided the required subsidy of over £1m per year was unjustifiable.
There have been many changes to buses in this area with the 13 being withdrawn but a different bus route (I think 113) effectively being renamed the 13.
Another point: Coronavirus and not one openinf window, just air conditioning which will spread all the germs around all the time - bad enough in an ordinary winter, plus a nice overheated space to breed the germs even more quickly.
😐 - as they are manufactured by Wirghtbus [Bamford Bus company], unlike Alexander Dennis, MCV, and SCANIA, which the a/c air is recirculated in the bus 😷, Wrightbus buses have fresh air-air conditioning, the outside air is drawn into a vent on the driver’s side at the back of the bus, this is sucked into a air handling unit - filter>evaporative coils>fan, and blown out of holes above the windows on the inside. = with the COVID-19 pandemic - I would prefer to travel in a Wrightbus, with its replacement air type air conditioning. (Unfortunately I don’t like masks, so I’m avoiding public transport and have stopped volunteering - until we have all been vaccinated and go back to normal 😄) another thing you pointed out that the new route master bus has sealed windows - when Tomas Heatherwick designed the original - sealed windows are the new normal for air conditioned vehicles - because of the old problem of the openable ones being left open on air conditioned vehicles = before COVID-19, I was regularly using the TFL buses and found that because the bus manufacturers had fitted aftermarket air conditioning to said buses that have opening windows and have not told TFL or the passengers in the bus that it has air conditioning/climate control, = when it gets hot (the passengers think its a older bus with only a heater) and open the windows and leave them like that - defeating the air conditioning = l have had to endure such uncomfortable, hot conditions on these buses 🥵, I have already complained to TfL about it and had a lame response from them 😠, and will be doing a UA-cam video about it!
I saw a vid on youtube about london transport were the buses came in one end got dismantled rebuilt and put back together as good as new. Thats how the new buses should of been designed. As engine technology improved you just swap that part over on its strip down/rebuild.
I know what you mean, the buses (probably the original Routemasters) were designed by bus people for easy maintenance and parts replacement. The buses were also maintained to a schedule so that there was less chance of them breaking down in service.
So with the opportunity charging, and on the go charging, why not just resort back to the old, nearly forgotten trolley bus? Almost the same thing. And what's the seating capacity of these compared to the real (50s) Routemaster. Looks like a few sparsely spaced lounges rather than maximum capacity seating.
Seating capacity and layout is different to older buses because of the need for wheelchair & buggy space TfL are determined to trial unproven ideas and avoid proven viable bus solutions to air pollution. Yes, its a bad situation, as it means that there is more air pollution.
Great video, could they not design turn styles or gates similar the tube entrance and exit to control fairs? These could lock closed on exits when bus departs.
Turnstiles are sometimes fitted to buses and trams in places such as Russia and South America. The idea being to ensure that passengers pay their fares. I suppose that the same could be done here in London, but first the people in power must think of doing this.
The Daimler one person operated buses introduced in London sometime in the '70s originally had split entrances, pay the driver or pay the machine. They had turnstiles, but the equipment was short-lived.
Why do they still use rollsigns? You've to replace it if the destination has to be something not on it. With a digital display, you can've any text be a destination so bus stop named "citytransportinfo", they can have it.
QuarioQuario54321 it's actually against road traffic regs to have moving LEDs for the boards. Only none static lights allowed are indicators. Not sure how a lot of bus companies get away with it, common sense exception?
I understand why keeping conductors on board wasn’t viable, but the NBFL lost it’s selling point with it. With the traffic jams of london an open door where you can jump off and on at any time would be useful.
I see this being the confusing way to make the manufacturing of the RMs cheaper? Still as long as they keep the good comfy seats that other buses seem to have a lack of. But thanks for the superb video, very well made! I'm subscribing to you!
Thanks! :-) It is now almost six months since I made this film and as far as I am aware the full complement of SRM type buses has still not been introduced in to service. Furthermore none have become a chosen style of bus by a bus company for services outside of London. This is in contrast with the ADL 400 City buses which have been chosen for a few towns and cities. Perhaps what is also significant here is that the latter have been chosen by smaller independent bus operators, not the large groups.
The two SRM B5LHCs will go to Go-Ahead's Peckham garage and will debut on the 37 very soon. Don't be surprised to see the odd few workings on the 63 and 363.
I guess these buses are better suited for turns in Greater London than articulated ones, but I can't help but be concerned over clearance and balance. Articulated buses have better balance and can be used in more places since it's easier to pass under things.
There have been some bus routes where road layouts had to be changed before these buses could be introduced and even routes where these buses have not been introduced simply because they are too long. But the same issues also applied to the articulated buses. When Boris Johnson was Mayor there were plans for shorter length versions of these buses (as these would have solved the road layout / lack of space problems experienced by the longer versions) and although one prototype was built the change of Mayor saw this concept fall by the wayside.
The final routes to be converted to the New Routemaster buses are: Route 76 - operated by Go Ahead London General - expected date 28th January East London Transit routes EL1, EL2 and EL3 - operated by Go Ahead Blue Triangle - expected date 18th February Route 48 - operated by Arriva London - expected date 25th February Route 254 - operated by Arriva London - expected date 3rd June Next routes to convert to Enviro400H City are: 133 & 333 - operated by Arriva London - 21st January 388 - operated by CT Plus - new contract starts on 21st January and no reports of new deliveries for that type.
Tod 1 there are no plans at present to replace the New Routemasters. those buses have a lifespan of 14 years, then it will be a likely chance of the routes to have SRM or E400H City design buses.
CLondoner92 no I phrased it incorrectly, I ment the mayor has stopped taking further orders, I was wondering what he will order instead. He said he wanted a more greener option but nothing further
Nicely done! I detest most modern bus designs but these have style. Wish my hometown Bournemouth would bring back the wonderful trolleybuses; luckily old enough to remember going on them in the 60's. (Ex L.T. RM conductor and driver - Westbourne Park. Route 31👍).
Thanks, re: the trolleybuses, Bournemouth is the only place where I ever travelled on a British trolleybus in normal service. I was very young at the time (aged 6!) and before the journey I made a fuss because I wanted to travel on a bus which had arms on its roof! Even then I understood how being electric meant that it did not emit any diesel fumes in the street. I too wish that trolleybuses were still used in the UK, rather than just the preserve of living museums, such as at Sandtoft and the East Anglia Transport Museum (EATM). As an aside, both of these museums have preserved Bournemouth trolleybuses (which sometimes carry passengers) and I have just placed approximately 25 photos of the open top Bournemouth trolleybus No.202 on my Flickr photostream - where I am user citytransportinfo
citytransportinfo Exactly the same as me. Down on holidays in the 60s. Sadly by Black & White coaches changing to the Royal Blue and not via train to Bomo West via the S&D. Got to see the wonderful colour scheme of Oxford buses on the way though.
Being a Born in Bournemouth lad I well remember our trolleybuses and almost cried when I heard they had gone for scrap Some of the new ones never even lasted 10 years
Your reports are thorough as ever. The vehicular battery thing ain't there yet, so I wouldn't fret over the charging while moving bit..drivers do deserve breaks, so charging at the terminus shouldn't be bad were plied routes shortened, right.. .. . .
We simply do not have the power available to charge the buses. To convert the UK to electric buses would require at least one additional nuclear power station and all the distribution infrastructure
ALL diesel and petrol engined vehicles can run on water with absolutely NO polution - only needs a splitter in the engine compartment to split the hydrogen from the rest of the water. Of course the Elites do not want anything that they cannot rip the masses off with just like they stopped Teslas FREE ENERGY in the 1920/30s.
+William Woods. You are simply choosing to ignore the fact that the energy needed to split the water into hydrogen is greater than the energy obtained from burning it in an engine. If you could find a way around this, you will have broken all the laws of physics, made Newton look like a nut job and you will be the richest man in the world. Also, running vehicles on hydrogen is nothing new. In the UK, delivery trucks used it during the oil shortages in the second world war. We used coal gas, which is 90% hydrogen, stored in a 'gas bag' on top of the vehicle. The bag almost doubled the size of the vehicle and its range was about 25 miles.
+trainrover. Wind energy sounds like a good idea, but it is not without it's problems. Absorbing the power of the wind on the scale required to produce electricity throughout the world would alter the weather and have serious impacts on climate. With the wind absorbed, rain clouds picking up 90% of their water over the oceans would not blow inland and could cause major drought problems by pushing the rainfall back over the seas. If only their was a simple answer.!!!!!!!!!!!
Regarding air quality for buses in London, what's the minimum emission standard for buses there? Here in Singapore we are at Euro 5 for diesel vehicles (eg. buses), but there are plans to go Euro 6 next year. Petrol vehicles just went Euro 6 here, by the way.
Batteries are steadily improving, motivated by the popularity of electric cars, so quite soon there may be batteries that will reliably permit a bus to complete its entire route (even allowing for delays and cold winter weather) before it needs a charge at a terminus.
The Enviro 400H City has a lot going for it. I found the one's I've been on to be a notch above some of London's other bus designs. re: the SRM, I am not convinced that parallel style hybrids are best for London's stop start traffic. I might be converted by the B5LHC OppCharge version.
Thanks :-) One reason for word captions is that I tend to make my films at night when other people in the house are asleep and I do not want to disturb them. Another reason is that written words are easier for people who only understand a little English. They can always pause the film and use a translation software to learn the meaning of an obscure word.
princeicio Nah tube is fine. Don't worry. Some repairs happen on weekends, so sections of line can be closed on weekends, but buses are not busy on weekends.
I would have been happier if London had retained the 100% electric buses (called trolleybuses) that were displaced by the diesel Routemaster buses. At one time London had 1800 trolleybuses - nowadays battery buses are slowly being introduced but there are still nowhere near as many of these as there were trolleybuses.
at that location the bus was changing between two person mode (with conductor) to one person mode and without the conductor the buses were seen as dangerous.
@@nature_people not too sure what you mean, i edited the comment from streetdeck to B5LH because for a longtime ive known and loved these wright bodied volvos but not realised they have different names when the variant is different. So if your asking me the difference between the VHR and the VH (B5LH/Gem3), im not sure coz ive only driven the latter. Separately, i think RATPs Gem3s just look stunning to me, because they are the only company who dont have the black panels on the headlights, and having never seen the 13 in that type before in real life, it just looks even better!
watching this three years late. But I think that London should have trolleybuses once again only the double deckers though, since it's far easier for smaller buses to be fully electric with a battery pack. Only two issues i see excluding the everlasting "But money" one that sticks it's head out at every single breath a large city makes. Are: - Time and space it'll take up to set up the wire network & power grid division(s) - Complaints about overhead wires in dense areas
You are not late - these buses are still running! As for trolleybuses, yes I agree but TfL are willing to do almost anything except even trial trolleybuses. Despite the air pollution implications they would rather have diesels! I say this as someone who has (as part of a group) campaigned for trolleybuses and received a very firm rebuttal.
RedLight GreenArrow really? Strange... they use digital where I live in the UK, and they look digital to me, but you may be right. If you want to check, search "national express west Midlands"
Thomas Embaye because they do not comply with Disability Discrimination Act legislation since January 2017. But due to safety concerns, they were withdrawn much sooner in 2005. And numbers in existence are going DOWN because they're so old, when MORE buses are required over time. The "Heritage" Routemasters on Route 15H continue to run because they are exempt from DDA legislation due to running simultaneously with the actual 15, which does use modern accessible buses. In fact, even non-tourists get on Routemasters on the 15H and it frees up space inside the modern buses on the actual 15! Unfortunately though the conductors' portable card readers are getting old themselves, so can only read Oyster cards, not contactless bank cards
Thomas Embaye they've been having problems with faulty batteries causing them to run entirely on their 185hp 4 cylinder Diesel engines with no electric motor power, which is very dangerous... so they've been trying other models of bus such as the Enviro400H City
Its different of the truth because 38 is a NB4L And 76 149 and other buses are NBFL (Let me tell the difference) Basically 149 and 38 they are in the same group in ARRIVA But go to different places and if you were taking 149 the door the rearest one opens outside and NB4L 38 Opens Inside so its different and comparing the differencd of NBFL And NB4L try and board 149 or 38 (where to catch 38) Clapton Pond-Victoria-Picadilly Circus and now 149 and 76 (76 Tottenham Hale - Stoke newington) (149 Edmonton Green - London Bridge) Please read this considering NB4L And NBFL :D
Once all the covid restrictions are gone. I suggest keeping an eye on the london bus museum at Brooklands weybridge ,there is a web site . They have open days where they run the old london buses . It's a great way to see them ,photography ect .
In-motion charging... isn't that same as the effective, affordable electric streetcar system we had in America until the automobile and oil companies bought them out and ripped out the tracks?
Interesting video, thanks. Ah the days of regulated transport. Mrs T killed it off in South York's and the bus services are still getting worse (frequency, reliability and cost) all the time. Sigh.
about 1000, with approximately half having an inward opening rear door (these are capable of travelling with the rear door open at all times) and the rest having the sliding rear door
TANISLA2 - its the same all over britain, buses just arent what they were once upon a time, the motor car being one of the major components to put buses out of commission.
When I was a kid they were just taking overhead electric, Trolleybuses off the Edgware Road and Uxbridge Road because according to London Transport the future was Petrol and Diesel. Electric was for the Dinosaurs!
Thanks for commenting. This would have been the late 1950s or early 1960s, just a few years after the clean air legislation had ended coal sourced smogs ... and London Transport were doing their bit to bring the smogs back, albeit this time from road traffic.
If you need to catch another bus to complete your journey a rear window helps you see if the bus you want to catch is close behind you and, if so, to help you plan where you will make the interchange.
If you knew anything about how TfL runs their buses you would know you have no worries about catching a connecting service, it's all computer operated and controlled from a central control room and radios between crews, very sophisticated so that you don't have a need for windows in the rear of the lower saloon, so you can now sleep peacefully with no worries. But I really believe your post was a wind up.
citytransportinfo Yes some people with eye sight problems can not read LEDs, they are rapidly flashing on and off on the displays faster then humans can normally see, which is actually illegal in road traffic rules, only flashing indicators are allowed, and displays on police vehicles or road side lights. Other bus companies seem to have avoided the rule with scrolling text and such so far, but there is a lot about this on the internet.
Electric is the way to go and all but it doesn't really solve the issue of pollution unless we make the move as a nation to use sustainable energy sources that are carbon neutral. Solar panels would be ideal but with our shoddy weather I don't think its something that we can use on a mass scale. I'd veto the idea of overhead hanging wires, they look awful and add to the clutter of wires, underground/on-road solutions would be better but those will be hazards themselves especially for bikers and cyclists. I like the idea of Oppcharge, they look pretty modern and wouldn't ruin the look of the area. Underfloor batteries like the Tesla would be the way to go, more seating capacity compared to an onboard battery. Not a fan of the single staircase bus, loses the whole design of the original Routemaster, pretty pointless in my opinion.
there are only half a dozen of this variant (eight if one also includes the two built for opportunity charging) whilst there are about 1000 of the triple door version
That is a good question. I am wondering the same thing too. I am even thinking along the lines of whether there will be more of these buses. I think its for individual bus companies to decide. Maybe a factor in this is that at present Wright are still building the last of the 1000 NRM buses. I think that something like 50 more of these are yet to come.
Well, the overhead 'Opportunity Charging' seems to be a sort of move in that direction. Could buses so equuipped run - in principle - on the road sections of tram lines given a suitable pantograph?
no, because the pantographs are H shaped with four conductors (live, return, signal, earth) and therefore there would be short circuits and possibly worse. the earth is for the bus body, its a safety measure, for instance if a tree branch short circuits the live - if the earth was not there then in this situation the bus metal body would become live, and since the rubber tyres would prevent the power returning to earth it would travel through the bodies of any hapless passenger who has at least one foot on the ground and the other foot or a hand on the bus body.
Korea has tried this and I think Bombardier's Primove has been used in this way to power a tram. But there are still many technical and other issues to resolve, such as if all vehicles used this system then the politicians would want a way to levy fees based on energy consumption.
The main point of the new Routemaster or Borismaster was to have an open rear platform to avoid the disgraceful treatment of passengers seen at 2:18, which was always too common with London Transport. If the new one doesn't have the open platform it may as well be a standard vehicle.
The new one is a SRM and it's different from the nrm
Those are “Volvo hybrid” not the “extended range hybrid diesel-electric” and the rear door is missing, yes, a nominal bus ~ but the front is styled on the routemaster - similar to that of Alexander Dennis city bus ~ where the front of it mimics a routemaster and those are [hybrid/battery electric]
Another difference is the door clsoing alarm. The NBfL/NRM uses the beeping noise, while the SRM uses a steady buzzer, just like a Gemini 3.
Some nrms uses the same alarm as Gemini 3/evoseti
So the whole concept that made them "New Routemasters" has been scrapped? Well done TfL!
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Nit there fault the health and safety culture we live in.
Reduces accidents but pushes up fairs.
Dosedmonkey still seems a waste of money if they didn't look into the safety of it. y'know?
That rear door is a major oversight in original design.
Not really, if it wasn't for that door no one would ever get on a bus because you stop at a bus stop and you will never get going again. You have to be able to board a bus while it's moving.
Also what I like to add is, the route 38 conductor changeover was at Essex Road / Newington Green Road bus stop (towards Victoria) and Mildmay Park / Southgate Road bus stop (Towards Hackney Central/Clapton Pond).
Thanks :-) There is so much more that I would have liked to have included but I wanted to keep the film below 10 minutes duration.
great video, waving from the USA
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@@robertcoleman110 yeah
trolley back in the capital! about time! Electric motors are notoriously reliable and simple.
It's so comforting to know that the tradition of using double deck busses in London still goes on...
Want to know the REAL reason London Transport is getting rid of the Wrightbus? I'm a pensioner with a free pass - and so take advantage of my travel ticket - BUT - virtually every time I travelled on a route that had a rear and mid entrance for passengers - I noticed passengers who'd waited at the bus stop - and even if no-one was waiting to board at the front entrance (where the driver would see the passenger presenting their ticket and the machinery there would verify their ticket) - they'd board at the centre or - particularly - at the rear - and DO NOTHING WITH THE TICKET CHECKER. I mentioned this to a driver at the end of my journey one day - that I'd noticed at least half a dozen passengers had just boarded and sat down ignoring the ticket checkers - and he said he knew and that LT was getting rid of these buses because they were losing so much money..! Why is it that the BBC and other media channels avoid mentioning anything to do with that - I betcha it's because they realise that at least 50% of British average person is a skiving cheat - but that would tarnish their 'media image'... That's one tiny aspect of your world today, folk - and I'll leave you with a quote (that's not from me):
'Every individual is guilty of every evil they refuse to learn how to prevent.'
When I had a paper Travelcard I also ignored Oyster card readers - but it did not mean that I was dodging my fares. Also, what about the trams and DLR which have open boarding at all stops?
I did note other passengers who had the Travelcard and they tended to show it to the driver - maybe it was a matter of conscience - but those who blatantly waited at the middle and end of the bus - even walked from the from the front entrance on purpose when the bus came - indifferently board the bus and find a seat and sit. Again - it's up to their own consciences. One point I have to make about passengers - virtually every time - it's a female passenger - even in a long queue - and when it's her time to board - she has to put down her shopping - open her handbag - then her purse - and then take out her Oyster card or whatever and after 30 seconds - register it - then, standing in the same position (with several people behind her with their cards in their hands) while putting the card carefully back in her purse, purse into her handbag, closing the handbag and then picking up all her shopping and moving to a seat as if nothing out of the ordinary had happened. The times they do that in payment queues at supermarkets - but - everyone's own mother quietly mentally diverts them from any comment.
I'll leave it to other people's consciences..!
They is now a new door button which allows the driver to open the front and middle door and keep the rear one shut
13 got new buses on its last few days at Sovereign
Is that really a good idea? They could keep them for the staying routes
Wow with so many models on the road , l am now totally Confused , thanks "London transport" !
it would be technically really challenging to replace all the buses in London overnight, so old and new models will be there together for some time I'm sure.
looks very nice shape.The back of the bus is like the old 1960s bus shape.
I searched for Jose Mourinho’s tactics and this vid came up first
LOL!
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brilliant video, at least the NRM design will live on as the two door SRM. it will be interesting to see the NRMs on East London Transit routes which is expected to enter service throughout February.
2:!5: R.I.P she missed her bus
Legends say she is still waiting for the bus to arrive.
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Hey citytransportinfo, just wanted to let you know that I think electric buses have started entering service on route 360 - got on LJ16 EZS - BYD bus which wasn't BYD/ADL and doesn't show up on LVF!! Very strange
Thanks. There is a new BYD demonstrator, I do not know much about it but early next month I'll be looking out for it (with my camcorder in my hand!)
citytransportinfo I didn't even know the bus existed!!
another superb video. looks like we going to enter the 2020s with buses (and taxis/black cabs) that are "permitted" to pollute "our" (world-class?) city. unless Brexit has made any impact (which i think it won't) the population of London is still forecast to increase by 100,000 every year for the next ten years...this means more traffic and more health issues. "we" really need to "up-our-game" now...more tree-planting, switch to zero-emissions transport system etc.
Kahn is accelerating the implementation of zero emmission zones, and enlarging the zones. The most polluted corridors of the city are also receiving the zero emission buses first.
jim kaf yeh but he is also narrowing roads which creates more congestion and more pollution. I am all for electric Ultra low emission and hybrid ultra low emission zone but narrowing roads isn't the way to do it.
his failure to make smart roads will kill him if the conservatives or lib Dems cease on this.
I like the bus but in Australia they make a longer bus
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On the new 2 door RTM, they need to have windows that can open. I have been on route 183 and at the top is not good. Even if the aircon is working. The 3 door ones, have it.
This video is very interesting, informative and also contains some looks at very fine details, thank you for sharing!
I also appreciate the complex description, there is lots of useful information!
Did you know that in France and other European countries, you don't need catenaries for electric trams? Thanks to a system called APS (Can't remember what it stands for) you can have the electrification under the road, away from people, so is does not ruin aesthetics, and is completely safe!
Yes, here is a link to my webpage about Alimentation Par Sol (ground level power supply) in Bordeaux
citytransport.info/Bod.htm
btw, I walked on the power supply rails and can attest to their being safe!
This page includes information about some other power supply technologies which do not used overhead wires.
citytransport.info/Trams02.htm
btw, overhead wires are the least expensive power supply solution
3:52 ese logo no es del transporte de paris francia / that logo is not from paris france transport
The battery back on the B5LHC is so big! But then I'm guessing that's the price to pay for a more eco friendly bus. Great video btw.
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I think it might also be the space used for inverter and generator packs is different in size.
I really like the new routemasters, They are the worlds best bus to be honest. Comfy, beautiful looking, disabled people can see the next stop, and nostalgic. I remember getting the 48 to London bridge and the seats were like rock! I wasn't lucky enough to get the 1 remaining New Routemaster. I heard they're getting discontinued, too expensive I guess. Really same :(
Great Informative Video! 👌📹
Thanks! 😀👍
I hope the SRM buses have opening windows on both decks!
The NBFL'S got opening windows this past 12 months!
DoubleDeckerAnton they don't lol
Those London Sovereign VHRs are now allocated to the route 183 after the lose of the 13 to Tower Transit.
Worth tracking the safety recalls (steering failure especially - 468 buses lose PAS when inverter blows up. The other recall links to the rear doors interlock - slightly less likely to cause a crash) crashes (runaway and brake failures especially - logic lock-out prevents regeneration braking when electric motor is driving but analysis suggests system still sees 'normal' condition even if 'drive' signal is false - so the EBS brakes are inhibited but the system thinks they are working and the foundation (standby) direct braking system (installed under the normal brake pedal) is locked out) In the event of such a logic failure, especially a run-away motor the action would I suspect be to totally isolate traction (and control) battery and apply the parking brake - independent and direct spring application, but brutal with no ability to feather the brake and control the way the bus slows down, with the note that this brake should not be relied on when the 'heavyweight'' bus is parked on a hill - it only works on the back axle. With the power off the PAS will also be knocked out, so the driver will need biceps like Popeye the Sailorman to steer the bus.
Then we consider the overheating issue, where I suspect a problem common in refridgeration systems comes into play. To 'pump' heat from one place to another the destination must be able to soak away the heat being sent there (see Second law of Thermodynamics or listen to Flanders & Swann's lyrical explanation) the 'evaporator coils' in the place to be cooled down have the pressurised refridgerant fluid fed in and like all evaporation it sucks in heat (water does this naturally - 2.5 million calories to evaporate one gallon) a pump then pressurises the now gas and it becomes hot, and liquifies under pressure, as it enters the condenser coils - these are mounted at the rear and outside on the NBFL, with a forced airflow and a filter.....If the filter blocks or the outside temperature simply gets too high the condenser no longer delivers cooled-down liquid back to the evaporator, and rather than remove heat the system actually pumps heat back into the place you are trying to cool down (oddly enough this is the reported phenomenum with NBFL on hot days) take the bus out of service, and back to a cool sheltered bus garage to test it.... and the system works fine! This us also a reason why you will never get a satisfactory operation air conditioned tube trains as the heat removed from the carriages can only go into the tunnels, where .. it heats up the carriages and reduces the efficiency of the condenser coils. There is one emergency reserve option available on every train, which could be delivered - that could deliver a 1-shot cooling down, and humidity reduction option - for example on a stranded train, but this would be strictly a 1-off option, as the 'heat removal' credit has been delivered by a previous heat dump.
Finally - with the London 'decker' length just about standardised at 10.3 metres, the NBFL throws a spanner in the works with the enhanced rear overhang (to almost 12 metres - the original UK limit for rigid buses - now its 15 metres with 3 axles, but the rear axle has to be a steered axle, and 18 metres for an artic, and the rear outswing limit for pulling away from a kerb has been increased from 0.8m to 1.2m) All this means is that the NBFL dictates the limits to which entry/exit 'flares' to bus stations can be 'tightened' to reduce crossing distances, and bus entry speeds, and it messes up the original arrangements for bus stands and bus stops, where the extra metre means that buses no longer fit the original space, and can stick put to block junctions, or mask the sight-lines for pedestrian crossings.
Some contrast really - that the RM took nearly a decade to develop, and produced possibly still the lightest bus per passenger, with sub frames for engine and transmission, which have permitted at least 3 engine upgrades with minimal upheaval and 2 length extensions to RML and XRM. It is highly manouevreable as well with the forward mounted steering axle. We await the true successor design...
Very interesting (as an original RM driver X garage 84-86).
We had one of the best trolleybus systems in the country down here in Bournemouth. Crazy getting rid of it. RATP run Yellow Buses here now too.
I recall travelling on one of your trolleybuses, I was a very young child and my father was there on business... we travelled as a family group (even his mother came along!) and although I do not recall all the details I do remember making a fuss with my mother and grandmother because we needed to catch a bus and I wanted to travel on a bus that had two arms on its roof!
I also recall returning a few years later (this was probably 1969) and instead of seeing trolleybuses I saw partially dismantled trolleybus wires.
@@CitytransportInfoplus Yes, April 1969 they went. Sadly I missed them going as I was in hospital at the time.
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I have a question, TFL states they stopped using routemasters in 2005 but it’s still in public service.
Umm...
Why?
only about a dozen original Routemasters are still in service, on route No.15
a couple of classic ones are kept mainly for heritage/tourism purposes.
I think there's No.9 as well, if I remember right.
As citytransportinfo says, the only heritage Routemaster operation that remains is on route 15. The route 9 heritage Routemaster operation ended in 2014 after TfL decided the required subsidy of over £1m per year was unjustifiable.
13 is not operated by London united but tower transit but they have SRM on route 183
There have been many changes to buses in this area with the 13 being withdrawn but a different bus route (I think 113) effectively being renamed the 13.
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Egg
citytransportinfo 82* not 113
Another point: Coronavirus and not one openinf window, just air conditioning which will spread all the germs around all the time - bad enough in an ordinary winter, plus a nice overheated space to breed the germs even more quickly.
😐 - as they are manufactured by Wirghtbus [Bamford Bus company], unlike Alexander Dennis, MCV, and SCANIA, which the a/c air is recirculated in the bus 😷, Wrightbus buses have fresh air-air conditioning, the outside air is drawn into a vent on the driver’s side at the back of the bus, this is sucked into a air handling unit - filter>evaporative coils>fan, and blown out of holes above the windows on the inside. = with the COVID-19 pandemic - I would prefer to travel in a Wrightbus, with its replacement air type air conditioning. (Unfortunately I don’t like masks, so I’m avoiding public transport and have stopped volunteering - until we have all been vaccinated and go back to normal 😄) another thing you pointed out that the new route master bus has sealed windows - when Tomas Heatherwick designed the original - sealed windows are the new normal for air conditioned vehicles - because of the old problem of the openable ones being left open on air conditioned vehicles = before COVID-19, I was regularly using the TFL buses and found that because the bus manufacturers had fitted aftermarket air conditioning to said buses that have opening windows and have not told TFL or the passengers in the bus that it has air conditioning/climate control, = when it gets hot (the passengers think its a older bus with only a heater) and open the windows and leave them like that - defeating the air conditioning = l have had to endure such uncomfortable, hot conditions on these buses 🥵, I have already complained to TfL about it and had a lame response from them 😠, and will be doing a UA-cam video about it!
I saw a vid on youtube about london transport were the buses came in one end got dismantled rebuilt and put back together as good as new. Thats how the new buses should of been designed. As engine technology improved you just swap that part over on its strip down/rebuild.
I know what you mean, the buses (probably the original Routemasters) were designed by bus people for easy maintenance and parts replacement. The buses were also maintained to a schedule so that there was less chance of them breaking down in service.
So with the opportunity charging, and on the go charging, why not just resort back to the old, nearly forgotten trolley bus? Almost the same thing. And what's the seating capacity of these compared to the real (50s) Routemaster. Looks like a few sparsely spaced lounges rather than maximum capacity seating.
Seating capacity and layout is different to older buses because of the need for wheelchair & buggy space
TfL are determined to trial unproven ideas and avoid proven viable bus solutions to air pollution. Yes, its a bad situation, as it means that there is more air pollution.
In Mumbai ( Bombay ) buses from the 90's are still being used , some of them have been upgraded to modern ones
You got clean sustainable 2nd generation biofuels. It's already being trialed in a London bus
Great video, could they not design turn styles or gates similar the tube entrance and exit to control fairs? These could lock closed on exits when bus departs.
Turnstiles are sometimes fitted to buses and trams in places such as Russia and South America. The idea being to ensure that passengers pay their fares. I suppose that the same could be done here in London, but first the people in power must think of doing this.
The Daimler one person operated buses introduced in London sometime in the '70s originally had split entrances, pay the driver or pay the machine. They had turnstiles, but the equipment was short-lived.
Don't know why, but I really like and prefer to Routemaster bus design than new
it just takes getting used to.
I like the bendy buses more
Wow is that a museum where can I find it and I like your awesome video 📹
Why do they still use rollsigns? You've to replace it if the destination has to be something not on it. With a digital display, you can've any text be a destination so bus stop named "citytransportinfo", they can have it.
My understanding is that TfL think LED's and other electronic displays are not as clear / easy to read.
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it's actually against road traffic regs to have moving LEDs for the boards. Only none static lights allowed are indicators. Not sure how a lot of bus companies get away with it, common sense exception?
I understand why keeping conductors on board wasn’t viable, but the NBFL lost it’s selling point with it. With the traffic jams of london an open door where you can jump off and on at any time would be useful.
I see this being the confusing way to make the manufacturing of the RMs cheaper? Still as long as they keep the good comfy seats that other buses seem to have a lack of. But thanks for the superb video, very well made! I'm subscribing to you!
Thanks! :-)
It is now almost six months since I made this film and as far as I am aware the full complement of SRM type buses has still not been introduced in to service. Furthermore none have become a chosen style of bus by a bus company for services outside of London. This is in contrast with the ADL 400 City buses which have been chosen for a few towns and cities. Perhaps what is also significant here is that the latter have been chosen by smaller independent bus operators, not the large groups.
Fantastic video with so much info. Thanks for making it.
thank you for your comment. I am glad that you enjoyed this film.
It was added on Route 248 in 2023 the last day of Stagecoach Scania Omnicity Buses.
The two SRM B5LHCs will go to Go-Ahead's Peckham garage and will debut on the 37 very soon. Don't be surprised to see the odd few workings on the 63 and 363.
Sarah F-L No but it did use Plaxton Presidents for a while.
I think the one with 2 doors makes more sense.
Nope cause this one looks like the old ones, it has 2 stairs to go on the second floor and it has way many more seats
@@MarC-ok1gj and way more people that don't pay the fair. This is why the 2 doors makes more sense.
I hate the 2 door one. 3 door one is the best.
I guess these buses are better suited for turns in Greater London than articulated ones, but I can't help but be concerned over clearance and balance. Articulated buses have better balance and can be used in more places since it's easier to pass under things.
There have been some bus routes where road layouts had to be changed before these buses could be introduced and even routes where these buses have not been introduced simply because they are too long. But the same issues also applied to the articulated buses.
When Boris Johnson was Mayor there were plans for shorter length versions of these buses (as these would have solved the road layout / lack of space problems experienced by the longer versions) and although one prototype was built the change of Mayor saw this concept fall by the wayside.
sonicboy678 nooooo
The final routes to be converted to the New Routemaster buses are:
Route 76 - operated by Go Ahead London General - expected date 28th January
East London Transit routes EL1, EL2 and EL3 - operated by Go Ahead Blue Triangle - expected date 18th February
Route 48 - operated by Arriva London - expected date 25th February
Route 254 - operated by Arriva London - expected date 3rd June
Next routes to convert to Enviro400H City are:
133 & 333 - operated by Arriva London - 21st January
388 - operated by CT Plus - new contract starts on 21st January and no reports of new deliveries for that type.
CLondoner92 EL1, EL2 and EL3 are getting them in February 18th 2017
CLondoner92 any news on what Mayor Kahn plans to replace them with, he said he wants to use a more eco friendly bus, but that was about it.
Tod 1 there are no plans at present to replace the New Routemasters. those buses have a lifespan of 14 years, then it will be a likely chance of the routes to have SRM or E400H City design buses.
CLondoner92 no I phrased it incorrectly, I ment the mayor has stopped taking further orders, I was wondering what he will order instead.
He said he wanted a more greener option but nothing further
Nicely done! I detest most modern bus designs but these have style. Wish my hometown Bournemouth would bring back the wonderful trolleybuses; luckily old enough to remember going on them in the 60's. (Ex L.T. RM conductor and driver - Westbourne Park. Route 31👍).
Thanks, re: the trolleybuses, Bournemouth is the only place where I ever travelled on a British trolleybus in normal service. I was very young at the time (aged 6!) and before the journey I made a fuss because I wanted to travel on a bus which had arms on its roof! Even then I understood how being electric meant that it did not emit any diesel fumes in the street.
I too wish that trolleybuses were still used in the UK, rather than just the preserve of living museums, such as at Sandtoft and the East Anglia Transport Museum (EATM). As an aside, both of these museums have preserved Bournemouth trolleybuses (which sometimes carry passengers) and I have just placed approximately 25 photos of the open top Bournemouth trolleybus No.202 on my Flickr photostream - where I am user citytransportinfo
citytransportinfo Exactly the same as me. Down on holidays in the 60s. Sadly by Black & White coaches changing to the Royal Blue and not via train to Bomo West via the S&D. Got to see the wonderful colour scheme of Oxford buses on the way though.
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Being a Born in Bournemouth lad I well remember our trolleybuses and almost cried when I heard they had gone for scrap Some of the new ones never even lasted 10 years
Your reports are thorough as ever. The vehicular battery thing ain't there yet, so I wouldn't fret over the charging while moving bit..drivers do deserve breaks, so charging at the terminus shouldn't be bad were plied routes shortened, right.. .. . .
We simply do not have the power available to charge the buses. To convert the UK to electric buses would require at least one additional nuclear power station and all the distribution infrastructure
Then it must be time to bust out those hydro poles, huh? Besides, Hinkley Pt, for example, was constructed for French consumption, right.
ALL diesel and petrol engined vehicles can run on water with absolutely NO polution - only needs a splitter in the engine compartment to split the hydrogen from the rest of the water. Of course the Elites do not want anything that they cannot rip the masses off with just like they stopped Teslas FREE ENERGY in the 1920/30s.
+William Woods. You are simply choosing to ignore the fact that the energy needed to split the water into hydrogen is greater than the energy obtained from burning it in an engine. If you could find a way around this, you will have broken all the laws of physics, made Newton look like a nut job and you will be the richest man in the world. Also, running vehicles on hydrogen is nothing new. In the UK, delivery trucks used it during the oil shortages in the second world war. We used coal gas, which is 90% hydrogen, stored in a 'gas bag' on top of the vehicle. The bag almost doubled the size of the vehicle and its range was about 25 miles.
+trainrover. Wind energy sounds like a good idea, but it is not without it's problems. Absorbing the power of the wind on the scale required to produce electricity throughout the world would alter the weather and have serious impacts on climate. With the wind absorbed, rain clouds picking up 90% of their water over the oceans would not blow inland and could cause major drought problems by pushing the rainfall back over the seas. If only their was a simple answer.!!!!!!!!!!!
Regarding air quality for buses in London, what's the minimum emission standard for buses there? Here in Singapore we are at Euro 5 for diesel vehicles (eg. buses), but there are plans to go Euro 6 next year. Petrol vehicles just went Euro 6 here, by the way.
Most buses in London are Euro 5 or 6, with Euro 4 buses being withdrawn. All new buses in Central London must be electric and Euro 6 everywhere else
Batteries are steadily improving, motivated by the popularity of electric cars, so quite soon there may be batteries that will reliably permit a bus to complete its entire route (even allowing for delays and cold winter weather) before it needs a charge at a terminus.
Another new bus design already? lol. Is there any more routes that will have the SRM buses?
There are only a few prototype / demonstration SRM buses. I do not yet know which routes will have them as their main fleet.
citytransportinfo not a fan of the design, I prefer the Enviro 400 H city design.
The Enviro 400H City has a lot going for it. I found the one's I've been on to be a notch above some of London's other bus designs.
re: the SRM, I am not convinced that parallel style hybrids are best for London's stop start traffic. I might be converted by the B5LHC OppCharge version.
Great video, very informative! You should voice over the captions :)
Thanks :-)
One reason for word captions is that I tend to make my films at night when other people in the house are asleep and I do not want to disturb them.
Another reason is that written words are easier for people who only understand a little English. They can always pause the film and use a translation software to learn the meaning of an obscure word.
Great video. What about the tube? does it work? I'm planning to go there in March.
Of course it works!
Alan Mac I've heard about a tube strike and traffic jams.
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Nah tube is fine. Don't worry. Some repairs happen on weekends, so sections of line can be closed on weekends, but buses are not busy on weekends.
I like watching all the changes of them from then till now they are interesting,
I hope to make a new edition of this film in either 2022 or 2023, when the buses have their mid-life refurbishment.
Can`t wait to experience the flying ones coming. 😊
Old routemasters with conductors are best
I would have been happier if London had retained the 100% electric buses (called trolleybuses) that were displaced by the diesel Routemaster buses.
At one time London had 1800 trolleybuses - nowadays battery buses are slowly being introduced but there are still nowhere near as many of these as there were trolleybuses.
@@CitytransportInfoplus Or even better retained the tram network.
My favourite buses in london are the ADL Enviro 200 MMCity! My second favourite are the old Routemasters! My third favourite are the new Borismasters!
So annoying that there's no more hop on/hop off
Why do the conductors shut the back door manually? Is is because people can get caught up in them and it proved dangerous to do it manually?
at that location the bus was changing between two person mode (with conductor) to one person mode and without the conductor the buses were seen as dangerous.
I think london buses have gone mad lol but a great video as always, whatever happened to Metroline's BYD Double Decker i hardly see that at all
That one's a trial, there's only one.
It got withdrawn
Gem 3s are my favourite!
Im driving one now on route 18😍
The 13 looked good in B5LH* edition
Are they very different from the driver`s perspective?
@@nature_people not too sure what you mean, i edited the comment from streetdeck to B5LH because for a longtime ive known and loved these wright bodied volvos but not realised they have different names when the variant is different.
So if your asking me the difference between the VHR and the VH (B5LH/Gem3), im not sure coz ive only driven the latter.
Separately, i think RATPs Gem3s just look stunning to me, because they are the only company who dont have the black panels on the headlights, and having never seen the 13 in that type before in real life, it just looks even better!
@@ace-paidinfull5240 Thanks a lot. Great details. 👍
watching this three years late.
But I think that London should have trolleybuses once again only the double deckers though, since it's far easier for smaller buses to be fully electric with a battery pack.
Only two issues i see excluding the everlasting "But money" one that sticks it's head out at every single breath a large city makes.
Are:
- Time and space it'll take up to set up the wire network & power grid division(s)
- Complaints about overhead wires in dense areas
You are not late - these buses are still running! As for trolleybuses, yes I agree but TfL are willing to do almost anything except even trial trolleybuses. Despite the air pollution implications they would rather have diesels! I say this as someone who has (as part of a group) campaigned for trolleybuses and received a very firm rebuttal.
Why still no digital signs???
RedLight GreenArrow but they are digital? Lmao
They are not digital they are blinds
Alex Tunstall they're just roll signs. London still doesn't believe in them but the US, Australia, the rest of Europe uses digital just fine.
RedLight GreenArrow really? Strange... they use digital where I live in the UK, and they look digital to me, but you may be right. If you want to check, search "national express west Midlands"
Well also in the north east they do aswell
4:50 finally, a more powerful electric hybrid, the current ones barely run electric, mostly Diesel
Why can't all London Bus routes use Routemasters like we used to? (excluding all routes with single decker buses for obvious reasons)
Thomas Embaye because they do not comply with Disability Discrimination Act legislation since January 2017. But due to safety concerns, they were withdrawn much sooner in 2005. And numbers in existence are going DOWN because they're so old, when MORE buses are required over time. The "Heritage" Routemasters on Route 15H continue to run because they are exempt from DDA legislation due to running simultaneously with the actual 15, which does use modern accessible buses. In fact, even non-tourists get on Routemasters on the 15H and it frees up space inside the modern buses on the actual 15! Unfortunately though the conductors' portable card readers are getting old themselves, so can only read Oyster cards, not contactless bank cards
***** What about New Routemasters?
Thomas Embaye they've been having problems with faulty batteries causing them to run entirely on their 185hp 4 cylinder Diesel engines with no electric motor power, which is very dangerous... so they've been trying other models of bus such as the Enviro400H City
RWL2012 really? Do do you think TFL are still going to roll them out on other routes?
Makes sense though, they have been involved in crashes...🤔
I'm reminded of the old Gerry Anderson UFO show from the late sixties and the London of the future.
why do the seats look like theyre from buses from 1970 buses here in australia have very comfortable modern lookingseats
the moquette fabric design was styled to look 'traditional', which means from the 1970's or even earlier.
citytransportinfo idm the fabric just the seat itself is too traditional n ugly
I disagree. I think the seats look attractive. They are comfortable, too. Why would you think they were uncomfortable, based on the appearance?
We need some buses like these up north
Its different of the truth because 38 is a NB4L And 76 149 and other buses are NBFL (Let me tell the difference) Basically 149 and 38 they are in the same group in ARRIVA But go to different places and if you were taking 149 the door the rearest one opens outside and NB4L 38 Opens Inside so its different and comparing the differencd of NBFL And NB4L try and board 149 or 38 (where to catch 38) Clapton Pond-Victoria-Picadilly Circus and now 149 and 76 (76 Tottenham Hale - Stoke newington) (149 Edmonton Green - London Bridge) Please read this considering NB4L And NBFL :D
yes, the different build batches have differently styled rear doors.
citytransportinfo yep
Route masters ARE VERY GOOD
I would love to go to London & ride on 1 of these buses I'd go straight to the top lol
Once all the covid restrictions are gone. I suggest keeping an eye on the london bus museum at Brooklands weybridge ,there is a web site . They have open days where they run the old london buses . It's a great way to see them ,photography ect .
In-motion charging... isn't that same as the effective, affordable electric streetcar system we had in America until the automobile and oil companies bought them out and ripped out the tracks?
They should make it triple deck that would be awesome
would be too tall to fit under the bridges -
That would be the Knight bus from harry potter
When will those new buses be available in Hong Kong?
When a Hong Kong bus company asks to buy some of them!
Interesting video, thanks. Ah the days of regulated transport. Mrs T killed it off in South York's and the bus services are still getting worse (frequency, reliability and cost) all the time. Sigh.
So how many of these new busses have the back side door? It's iconic and shouldn't die
about 1000, with approximately half having an inward opening rear door (these are capable of travelling with the rear door open at all times) and the rest having the sliding rear door
What was wrong with the old ones??
They got old
The back is amazing
When did these buses operate on the route 13? This is a route that I regularly use and I've never seen these buses on the route.
before the buses were reorganised and a different route was renumbered 13!
(7:26) - and at many other points, it's "an NBfL", not "a NBfL".
OK?
Not many passengers. Just watch any news footage on the television with buses passing always lots of empty seats!
The number of people using buses in London has fallen in recent years. Its a problem as it means that there is less revenue.
If the bus services were effective, well organised and passenger-friendly, people would use them more.
TANISLA2 - its the same all over britain, buses just arent what they were once upon a time, the motor car being one of the major components to put buses out of commission.
I love that some buses you can just jump on and off with no doors.. That would be awesome.. 😀😀🚌🚍🚎🚌🚌
alas, no longer possible... the buses now have their rear doors closed except at bus stops
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When I was a kid they were just taking overhead electric, Trolleybuses off the Edgware Road and Uxbridge Road because according to London Transport the future was Petrol and Diesel. Electric was for the Dinosaurs!
Thanks for commenting. This would have been the late 1950s or early 1960s, just a few years after the clean air legislation had ended coal sourced smogs ... and London Transport were doing their bit to bring the smogs back, albeit this time from road traffic.
Im glad that this OppCharge isn't a thing in the UK yet. I personally do not like the idea of it
Harrogate already uses it and from what I recall so will Birmingham Airport.
Interesting, but I personally dont see this happening in London anytime soon. Most buses are either pure electric, hybrid and some being diesel
What is the obsession with lower deck rear windows. Glass weighs heavier than metal so is a weight reduction aid.
If you need to catch another bus to complete your journey a rear window helps you see if the bus you want to catch is close behind you and, if so, to help you plan where you will make the interchange.
What do you think time tables are for. Not what I would call a reason for lower deck rear windows, try the upper deck for that reasoning.
traffic congestion and real-world reality reduce timetables to an aspirational guide.
If you knew anything about how TfL runs their buses you would know you have no worries about catching a connecting service, it's all computer operated and controlled from a central control room and radios between crews, very sophisticated so that you don't have a need for windows in the rear of the lower saloon, so you can now sleep peacefully with no worries. But I really believe your post was a wind up.
I thought the orders for new Boris buses had been terminated?
Beautiful buses!!
What is the salary of the bus driver in London? I am a bus driver in Sweden and I would like to move to London.
I am sorry, I do not know
£22000 to £31000 a year, you get paid £11 per hour.
The Bitch Has Arrived wow thats Not much
Around £23k plus valiums I would think to cope with the traffic lol
Are the bus number and destination displays electric or Physical plates?
Physical roll-signs. I don't understand why more TAs doesn't use it. Saves a lot of money.
***** personally, I prefer electric boards
London only uses traditional roller blinds. TfL do not like electronic displays, I think its because they seem as being less easy to read
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Yes some people with eye sight problems can not read LEDs, they are rapidly flashing on and off on the displays faster then humans can normally see, which is actually illegal in road traffic rules, only flashing indicators are allowed, and displays on police vehicles or road side lights. Other bus companies seem to have avoided the rule with scrolling text and such so far, but there is a lot about this on the internet.
The reason I prefer them. Both cheaper and easier to understand.
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Electric is the way to go and all but it doesn't really solve the issue of pollution unless we make the move as a nation to use sustainable energy sources that are carbon neutral. Solar panels would be ideal but with our shoddy weather I don't think its something that we can use on a mass scale.
I'd veto the idea of overhead hanging wires, they look awful and add to the clutter of wires, underground/on-road solutions would be better but those will be hazards themselves especially for bikers and cyclists. I like the idea of Oppcharge, they look pretty modern and wouldn't ruin the look of the area. Underfloor batteries like the Tesla would be the way to go, more seating capacity compared to an onboard battery.
Not a fan of the single staircase bus, loses the whole design of the original Routemaster, pretty pointless in my opinion.
Maybe keep this varient in service, and scrap the 2012 triple door varient.
there are only half a dozen of this variant (eight if one also includes the two built for opportunity charging) whilst there are about 1000 of the triple door version
I'm motion charging has been in Seattle for a long time
trolley busses back in london .. lol ... fab !
I wish... that was a graphic designer's change of a photograph
When will there be more SRM buses?
That is a good question. I am wondering the same thing too. I am even thinking along the lines of whether there will be more of these buses. I think its for individual bus companies to decide. Maybe a factor in this is that at present Wright are still building the last of the 1000 NRM buses. I think that something like 50 more of these are yet to come.
citytransportinfo hmmm, what routes are awaiting the NRM?
SO HAPPY WE HAVE A B5LHC!
Haha that lady missing the bus is so typical
armedessential yeah lol Typical london....
half the time I used these buses I boarded at traffic lights. I now used them less!
half the time I used these buses I boarded at traffic lights. I now used them less!
Can you use any door to get on or just front
with the SRM you use the front doors to board and middle doors to alight
very nice Bus!
Didn't they used to have overhead lines for electric busses in the 50's?
That was in Reading.
just bring back trolleybuses.
TfL are 100% anti trolleybus - I wish this was not so.
Well, the overhead 'Opportunity Charging' seems to be a sort of move in that direction. Could buses so equuipped run - in principle - on the road sections of tram lines given a suitable pantograph?
Laurence Pryke why can't we just have smart roads for wireless charging
no, because the pantographs are H shaped with four conductors (live, return, signal, earth) and therefore there would be short circuits and possibly worse.
the earth is for the bus body, its a safety measure, for instance if a tree branch short circuits the live - if the earth was not there then in this situation the bus metal body would become live, and since the rubber tyres would prevent the power returning to earth it would travel through the bodies of any hapless passenger who has at least one foot on the ground and the other foot or a hand on the bus body.
Korea has tried this and I think Bombardier's Primove has been used in this way to power a tram. But there are still many technical and other issues to resolve, such as if all vehicles used this system then the politicians would want a way to levy fees based on energy consumption.