As far as I know, all the 7900 class are still in service. However I think it’s more than half the 7700s have been phased out of service, replaced by more recent classes.
Amazing!! The old trams are in wonderful condition and still operating!! And where Brussels made half a vehicle tunnel for trams Philadelphia did the opposite.....a 2 way trolley tunnel under the Museum of Art became a one way car tunnel. Buses and trucks are not permitted in the tunnel. 😀😀
@@tressteleg1 Thank you!! I actually assumed that newer trams were niw operating in Brussels since the video latest date was 1992. And did you see my added comment comparing Brussels and Philadelphia change of tunnels??
Quite some years ago, abandonments ended although before long some of the underground tram sections seen in this video will be turned over to Metro. One problem I had trying to solve locations myself is that a number of the lines have been extended since those days which made identifying the old terminus difficult.
Most of the services you see running through the tunnels in this video were cut back to the tunnel mouth several years ago and were replaced as far as I can work out, by a few services from one end of the north south tunnel to the other and a bit beyond. See map link. So passengers to the city which already have to change trams will simply change to the Metro which presumably will be further extended at both ends. www.introducingbrussels.com/tram
@@tressteleg1 yes I believe that's right, but there has been talk of introducing another route or two crossing the centre on the surface again. MIVB has a funny attitude to it's tram system.
I suppose that changing that tram route to Metro could release some trams for other duties, and maybe there is need for surface transport in that area, bearing in mind that a lot of tram passengers only ride for a few stops. Quite possibly there is plenty of track available already in that area. But anything to do with Belgium is a matter of “don’t hold your breath until it happens!”
Great video ! The 80's were the darkest times for public transport in Brussels as it was underfunded, luckily now the tables have turned since then, with many extensions and new lines opened since the 90's, and also with the progressive modernisation of the fleet. It's cool to see that some things remained the same where a lot changed from your video until now ! For example in your 1984 footage we can see Arts-Loi's upper floor as a tram station and it was converted to metro in 1988. And now the North-South premetro line is getting converted as construction work started. There are opposition groups but most of them are people in their office since you can clearly see there's a demand when you go on site
Yes I know that Brussels went through bad time when it seemed the tram future was Metro or buses. I remember riding some lines which threaded their way through narrow streets, but never got out for photography. Next visit, Gone. I get Tram 2000 so stay reasonably up to date with developments there, not that one can remember everything read.
@@tressteleg1 Yes and that's the most plausible reason why they didn't buy any tram during the 80's, only bendy buses and metro cars. Oh you have a Tram 2000 subscription ! That's really nice !
I don’t claim to understand everything I read in TDM. Some information would only be understood by somebody who lives in the cities involved, or understands them closely. The use of some ‘Belgian French’ also makes understanding a little tricky. Nevertheless I have a reasonable understanding of what is going on. It will be interesting to see whether the CAF trams on the Coast and elsewhere start falling to pieces like they have in Sydney and elsewhere.
@@tressteleg1 Don't worry, as long as you understand enough it's okay ! And yes that will be interesting to see, especially with the sea salt that is retiring the BN trams a bit early since they were eaten by the salt in the air. What's funny is that CAF Urbos trams are often low quality while their metro's and trains are better, we have CAF metro trains in Brussels since 2006 and they are running very well while for example the CAF Urbos trams in Nantes, France, were recently all sent back to CAF since they had a lot of issues with them
CAF was a latecomer with low floor and I suppose to get the sales they had to cut the prices. Purchase cost is frequently the only yardstick for Australian purchases. It seems that the body steelwork which goes over the ‘bogies’ is too weak and is breaking up. So unless this has been somewhat strengthened for newer models, they will collapse also. And CAF knew about Birmingham in 2017 but still try to pretend they are surprised when another system discovers the rubbish they have bought. As the German fans would say, CAF = Cheap And Flawed. Incidentally I spoke to the driver in that video and he told me the Citadis ride very much better than the CAF did. I suspect everyone hopes they never come back to the L1.
I have no idea at all. The subject is not at all relevant to me. Making my own video takes enough time as it is so I rarely watch videos produced by others unless of special interest.
17:00, the trams stole half the tunnel from the cars! amazing! correct priorities! 29:00, it looks a bit like the swedish (or was it danish) mz class, some of which made it to australia. a.k.a. "helgas".
As you may have heard in the video, I had to ask William to make sure that the half the tunnel had been taken from the cars, and it was. As for the loco, I’m aware of those Swedish locos coming to Australia, but whether they were made by BN I could not say.
Wow, pretty well preserved for their age! Thank you.
As far as I know, all the 7900 class are still in service. However I think it’s more than half the 7700s have been phased out of service, replaced by more recent classes.
Amazing!! The old trams are in wonderful condition and still operating!!
And where Brussels made half a vehicle tunnel for trams Philadelphia did the opposite.....a 2 way trolley tunnel under the Museum of Art became a one way car tunnel. Buses and trucks are not permitted in the tunnel.
😀😀
Yes, but the single 7000 type trams ended regular service some years ago, while the 7700 type are gradually being replaced by new arrivals.
@@tressteleg1 Thank you!! I actually assumed that newer trams were niw operating in Brussels since the video latest date was 1992.
And did you see my added comment comparing Brussels and Philadelphia change of tunnels??
Thank you for your interesting commentry around Brussels and their network of trams.
😊👍
A very interesting tram system, and hopefully now with a much better future.
Quite some years ago, abandonments ended although before long some of the underground tram sections seen in this video will be turned over to Metro. One problem I had trying to solve locations myself is that a number of the lines have been extended since those days which made identifying the old terminus difficult.
@@tressteleg1 I have been wondering what they would do with the tram system when they metrofy the premetro tunnels.
Most of the services you see running through the tunnels in this video were cut back to the tunnel mouth several years ago and were replaced as far as I can work out, by a few services from one end of the north south tunnel to the other and a bit beyond. See map link. So passengers to the city which already have to change trams will simply change to the Metro which presumably will be further extended at both ends. www.introducingbrussels.com/tram
@@tressteleg1 yes I believe that's right, but there has been talk of introducing another route or two crossing the centre on the surface again. MIVB has a funny attitude to it's tram system.
I suppose that changing that tram route to Metro could release some trams for other duties, and maybe there is need for surface transport in that area, bearing in mind that a lot of tram passengers only ride for a few stops. Quite possibly there is plenty of track available already in that area. But anything to do with Belgium is a matter of “don’t hold your breath until it happens!”
Great video ! The 80's were the darkest times for public transport in Brussels as it was underfunded, luckily now the tables have turned since then, with many extensions and new lines opened since the 90's, and also with the progressive modernisation of the fleet. It's cool to see that some things remained the same where a lot changed from your video until now ! For example in your 1984 footage we can see Arts-Loi's upper floor as a tram station and it was converted to metro in 1988. And now the North-South premetro line is getting converted as construction work started. There are opposition groups but most of them are people in their office since you can clearly see there's a demand when you go on site
Yes I know that Brussels went through bad time when it seemed the tram future was Metro or buses. I remember riding some lines which threaded their way through narrow streets, but never got out for photography. Next visit, Gone.
I get Tram 2000 so stay reasonably up to date with developments there, not that one can remember everything read.
@@tressteleg1 Yes and that's the most plausible reason why they didn't buy any tram during the 80's, only bendy buses and metro cars. Oh you have a Tram 2000 subscription ! That's really nice !
I don’t claim to understand everything I read in TDM. Some information would only be understood by somebody who lives in the cities involved, or understands them closely. The use of some ‘Belgian French’ also makes understanding a little tricky. Nevertheless I have a reasonable understanding of what is going on.
It will be interesting to see whether the CAF trams on the Coast and elsewhere start falling to pieces like they have in Sydney and elsewhere.
@@tressteleg1 Don't worry, as long as you understand enough it's okay ! And yes that will be interesting to see, especially with the sea salt that is retiring the BN trams a bit early since they were eaten by the salt in the air. What's funny is that CAF Urbos trams are often low quality while their metro's and trains are better, we have CAF metro trains in Brussels since 2006 and they are running very well while for example the CAF Urbos trams in Nantes, France, were recently all sent back to CAF since they had a lot of issues with them
CAF was a latecomer with low floor and I suppose to get the sales they had to cut the prices. Purchase cost is frequently the only yardstick for Australian purchases. It seems that the body steelwork which goes over the ‘bogies’ is too weak and is breaking up. So unless this has been somewhat strengthened for newer models, they will collapse also. And CAF knew about Birmingham in 2017 but still try to pretend they are surprised when another system discovers the rubbish they have bought. As the German fans would say, CAF = Cheap And Flawed.
Incidentally I spoke to the driver in that video and he told me the Citadis ride very much better than the CAF did. I suspect everyone hopes they never come back to the L1.
Amazing footage!!! ❤
Merci beaucuop, Monsieur 😊
Excellent!
Thanks! Spread it around to all your friends! 😊
Good camera work .
iMovie “Stabilise” helped a bit 😊
What about the spectacular America By Rail by Greg Scholl videos?
He has his own channel, I have mine.
@@tressteleg1 Who was he?
I have no idea at all. The subject is not at all relevant to me. Making my own video takes enough time as it is so I rarely watch videos produced by others unless of special interest.
@@tressteleg1 I do not know much about him.
Where did this footage sprout from , I doth wonder .
I took every second of it myself. Where did you think it came from?
I noted a few unsavory types getting about but this got me "general confusion amongst the peasants" 🤣
I suppose you recognised some tram fans present. My Belgian helpers said they call the passengers ‘cattle’, a word used here in Oz at times 😄
17:00, the trams stole half the tunnel from the cars! amazing! correct priorities! 29:00, it looks a bit like the swedish (or was it danish) mz class, some of which made it to australia. a.k.a. "helgas".
As you may have heard in the video, I had to ask William to make sure that the half the tunnel had been taken from the cars, and it was. As for the loco, I’m aware of those Swedish locos coming to Australia, but whether they were made by BN I could not say.