Good stuff. With the current primer shortage black powder shooting has been my go to lately. Got a percussion cap maker and compound at 22reloader. Works like a charm. Just got 2 lbs of 777 at Midway to supplement my Pyrodex stock. Started casting my own balls and bullets after watching your videos years ago. Keep up the good work Steve!
Hahaha same here bro last time I was shooting mine though I was having chain fire issues! It happened twice and I was done for a while lol I have made a thousand caps I got in a tin can and bought a bunch of their primer mix. It's corrosive but works well also doubles as a fun exploding target for the pellet rifle
Absolutely. Its not like there hasn't been shortages before and manufacturers should know how to meet demands. Its hard to believe that we are already having a 2nd shortage since i got into shooting 5 years ago. Ridiculous.
I find it best when shooting black powder or any substitute to bring along a plastic jar half full of water with a few drops of Dawn dish soap in it. As I shoot I drop the fired cases into the jar. When I'm through shooting I put the lid on the jar and give it a shake for ten seconds. When I get home I dump the brass in a wet tumbler to finish cleaning. Thanks for the video.
Mr. Cookie you forgot to mention one major thing about shooting black powder or BP substitutes. They can not be fired at an indoor range. BP subs produce almost as much smoke as BP and you will quickly be told to stop shooting it as even the best ventilated ranges will cloud the room. Years ago I was friends with an owner of a small range. Sometimes I was the only one shooting and the owner would allow me to shoot my BP and BP substitute loaded metallic cartridges (.38 Special & .45 Colt) Id let him know and he would turn on all the exhaust fans. Still, I had to fire very slowly and wait between cylinders or the room would fill with smoke. One time the "glowies" from Pyrodex P (a Hodgdon BP sub for handguns) set the range floor on fire from all the unburnt smokeless that built up. The 2 foot square fire crawled around and luckily burned out before I had to blast it with the extinguisher. I never fired BP or a BP sub indoors again.
One trick many in the N-SSA use for reduced loads with black is to use a filler to fill up the rest of the chamber or cartridge case Cream of wheat or Grits work real well. I take a laundry soap container to the range with H20 and some soap and drop my fired cases in after firing. Bouncing home does a nice job removing residue.
Jim Weber - Thanks for that trick...I will do that...I've heard of using Cream of Wheat as a filler... I may yet take you up on that... Good shootin' to ya, Steve
Thanks Steve, I have the IMR 777 powered and love it. Just bought my first black Powder a while back but haven’t had the opportunity to shoot it :-)) Thanks for the information on the Triple 7 :-))
Nick J - Always good to hear from you. One thing about the true black powder is the flames and sparks (sometimes a river of flame runs out that muzzle..!!) that fly on the touch off. Fires can start from that stuff. I've seen burning patches 15 yards downrange. 777 doesn't have that problem - it makes smoke, but no flames. Best to ya, Steve
I got 3 jugs from Midway a couple weeks ago. As I type this, They are now 'out of stock'. Good thing I stocked up on Percussion Caps over the last couple of years, they are 'unobtainium' as well. -nobody has them, (Unless you have an inside source). Thanks for the good info.
I tried H777 FFG this weekend in .43 Mauser and .41 Swiss with very promising results, next up will be to try it in 50-95 Express. I would also note these loads "felt hotter" as far as recoil went. The .43 in a 1871 Mauser had a significantly higher POI.
Makes you wonder if everyone should own a muzzle loader, though I'm not sure of the supply on percussion caps. I need to refurb my old CVA Kentucky long rifle in 45 and get shooting it again. Got that kit as a gift when I was about 12 back in better times. My dad got a 36cal revolver kit that same year, had fun with both for a few years.
I just bought a Benjamin Marauder PCP .22 cal air rifle dubbed by enthusiasts as the "M-Rod". It comes from the factory with a suppressor or as known on airguns as a "moderator". The power is like a subsonic .22LR 850 - 1000 fps and sounds like one suppressed. There is no 4473 paperwork, FBI NICS,, ATF NFA.... no nothing when you buy and own one. They ship them right to your door. This ain't no Red Ryder toy Ralphy wanted for Christmas. It's pretty serious and full on. Always wanted one for another option to standard firearms where and when you can't shoot them. Also it is far easier than jumping through NFA Class III hoops to get a suppressor.
@@minigpracing3068 This is my first and it doesn't look to be my last. I lost track and interest seeing Wal-Mart toys....... These are not those at all.
@@JohnDoeEagle1 if you get a good barrel, the mrod is very competent within its design goals. People have customized the receiver and air tube making them things like .257 and porting the airways to get up around 200fpe (foot pounds of energy). That's a big modification! For decent out of the box, USA company, the Bulldog is hood and you can cast a bunch of different rounds to shoot. Rumor is that Crosman/Benjamin is making a 45 rifle, might be Bulldog shaped. Also look at some offerings from Kral (from Turkey), they are making the 3 new Benjamin guns (Akela, Craytos and the other I don't remember). Once I do a little work on my Kral it is going to be everything I wanted out of a 25 cal. Also going to do a little work on my Bulldog to make it a little better. Of mention are the Chinese AEA, they have massive power from higher pressure, but cost is very low. They are pushing out free guns all over UA-cam to get the word out, not really a policy I like because you don't get the whole truth. AEA have 357 and down, with a 50 soon to arrive.
@@minigpracing3068 What I like most is how powerful and accurate these new PCP rifles have gotten with modern technology. They aren't cheap so to speak but you are getting your money worth in performance and quality. I don't have a problem putting the money out if the product performs and lives up to the hype.
I believe you. I just recently learned that rifle primers can be used in pistol cases and the only major difference is the cup hardness. I was very surprised by this. I'm guessing there are minor differences in the flash but not enough to drastically change pressure.
as CAS shooter, i use triple seven in cap'n balls, cartridges and shotgun. I shot smaller charges and i filling the cartridges with materials as Captain G.Baylor had saying to me, no problem and nice work...
Hello Steve Ive read to reduce triple 777 by 15% because its hotter than BP. So it should be ok to shoot in BP cases. Id love to try it in 45-70 since my Trapdoor is an 1880 Manufactured Cadet model
Charles - With that specimen Trapdoor, I'd recommend you stay with the true black, as that is the best recommendation. That being said, I'd go with shortening your worn out 45/70 brass to 1.800" and loading FFg 777 45/55 Dabo rounds. You would have shorter handier ammo, and still have effective ammo. Best to ya, Steve
Arizona - yes, you could certainly do that. But going with the older shorter cases is preferred, or we could shorten cases to our own liking - the rimmed rounds give us that flexibility. I did that with the 45/55 shortened old 45/70 cases to 1.800" to give me the power level I wanted. Works efficiently with smokeless also. Have a great day, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC Thanks for getting back to me! Somewhat of a rhetorical question but I appreciate the answer nonetheless. I will certainly keep that in mind for future projects. Thanks again
I have shot it in my ruger Blackhawk 44 special with a 140 grain jacked slugs with 777 and it seems fine . I use the same powder charge in my 1858 Remington replica with a round ball
Arizona - I saw the same thing, Midway must have gotten some limited smokeless in...but it's still only a drop in the oasis, but a good sign nonetheless. Like you say, just for the fun hoot factor alone, the 777 is definitely useful. Recently, an NRA bullseye shooter friend in a nearby lane had to time his 25 yard practice shots to mine so that the smoke would clear enough for him to get his shots off (what the heck, NRA bullseye has timed fire anyway - good practice for him). I didn't know it, but the video caught him finally breaking out in laughter. Best to ya, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC Thank you for your response. Yep, it’s slow and may be a rougher year on powder this year. That is rather funny about your friend timing his shots! On powder etc, just hanging on and trying to get stuff at lower prices if I can help it. The more I wait, the better prices are getting.
Steve, It is commendable that you are showing alternative considerations because of the high cost and unavailability of projectiles and powder (you know how I feel about the whole thing, however, it is what it is) again, there are choices and other ways of loading and still be on the savings side of crafting ammunition. Keep up the fight! -Dave
Hi Dave..!! We have to get together some time soon, perhaps shoot a round or two of trap...or do the range thing. Fun in the sun..!! - - circumstances permitting, of course. Best to ya, Steve
What do you think of Black Horn 209 black powder? I have also researched that it is much easier as well on clean up after quite a few rounds. I'm a big fan of the Triple 777 as well. 😃
I want to experiment with the triple 7 and some 9mm casings lol I may have to cycle the action manually but to formulate some triple 7 9mm loads I have used a formulation for rifle casings I found in one of my old army handbooks called improvised munitions. It lists a recipe for rifle powder for when powder is not available. I got it to fire 45 ACP 200grain Cast bullets successfully lol it's an awesome firework powder
Walter - great question...but the hoarders can't hoard forever - they think they can drive prices up and sell into the demand. But the supply is producing as much as they can, sooner or later, that supply is going to win out and we'll have primers again...powder is starting to show up, slowly, but it's a good sign. In the meantime, getting some available 777 is not a bad idea, because it's a good powder for reloaders for the fun factor alone.... Best to ya, Steve
TripleSeven is a great powder, I been using it in my Winchester 73 45 colt, and Colt SAA 45, no velocity swings, like unique, I use the 1.9 lee dipper,
Mk Shffr - Also easier cleanup, safer storage and no flames or rivers of sparks when shooting...but I know how the true black is loved by many... Best to ya, Steve
p g - like DOc says, drop tubes are only necessary when we are trying to pack as much in there as possible. For standard type loadings, just pour 'em in..!! Best to ya, Steve
700x is definitely one of those powders of hard times also. Fairly cheap no need to have 0 air gap no powder foaling because it’s a smokeless powder it can be used in all cartridges shotgun pistol rifle it’s also economic for all above stated very low charges in pistol and rifle to get useable velocities. In my honest opinion 700x is one of the greatest powders invented. Hopefully it never goes away I stumbled across 700x on complete accident. Some old timers was selling off all his reloading equipment and supplies. He had a 12 lb canister unopened for sale on Armslist in my area. So I decided to look it up in my reloading manuals and it has load data for 9mm 357mag 38cal 45acp 223rem 308win and of course all the shotgun gauges because technically it is a shotgun powder. But I think it should be renamed Hodgdons jack of all trades masters of none. 700x truly one of the greatest powders available today. However with all that being said I must add it 1 flaw that’s easy to remedy it can be double charged in rifle cartridges. But if a reloader is truly worth any kind of salt they know to check and recheck there cases before they cap them off with a projectile.
Just got a 148 grain wadcutter mold and want to try some 777 under them in 38 special. I haven't had time to do it, but I'm hoping there's enough room in the case for enough 777 because those wadcutters seat pretty deep I think. I'm wondering if I should have chosen a different bullet style, but I heard wadcutters are great for self defense at the lower feet per second range. My 38 is a snubby, so I don't plan on shooting fast loads.
Hogdon 777 does work great with cartridges, cap & ball revolvers and most cap lock (percussion) muzzleloaders, it is a absolute disaster when using a flintlock gun.
Paul305 - That's the beauty of 777, Paul - there is no recipe...you just put in the 777 to fill the case capacity behind whatever bullet you are using. With any reasonable weight bullets, you are good to go... Good shootin' to ya, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC thank you brother. God bless. Ty for putting out good content. You're videos taught me alot about that new fangled smokeless stuff😉
CC - Yes, indeed. There was a time when little 32s were loaded with just under 3 grains of black powder. I'll be touching those off before too long. Best to ya, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC I was also wondering how the 777 would work in the 41 colt. Little bit different than the 41 mag, but not much different when talking powder volume. With the 41 colt there are 2 different bullet types. A heeled bullet and a deep hollow base bullet. With the hollow base bullet, a little bit of comoression is needed.
For black powder arms, ive found you need a hotter primer than standard muzzleloader primers. CCI makes some listed as "magnum" and they work well with it. Cartridge primers should work fine with it. Im not a fan of it due to the need of hotter primers and a lack of availability of them. One point to add....if using black powder, i highly suggest you anneal the case necks prior to loading to add longevity to your case life. They work harden faster with black powder in my experience. Same goes with pyrodex. Cant speak to triple 7, havent used it in bpcr. Also, mind your barrel temperature a little closer, bpcr tends to run warmer due to how the powder ignites in comparison to smokeless. Also, in revolvers especially, mind your powder fouling... It will eventually lock up the gun and can damage the hand in your firearm. It needs to be managed and monitored closely.
Rumblestrip - Thanks for sharing your experience with us. The 777 seems to foul in a manner that allows shooting to continue...I was expecting a real mess, but did not have that. Plus the power achieved with 777 3Fg in cartridges like the 45 Colt is really welcome to me in my strong Ruger SAs...pressures are really not problematic at all. The smoke and boom are a real hoot to shoot - and accurate to boot... I could have been a poet, I could have been a contender...hmmm, I have a Contender...!! LOL.. Best to ya Rumble..!! Steve
33$ a pound? Sheeeeeesh. I get entire containers from my local hunting shop for 40$ They get you with that hazmat shipping big time on midway. I love them they’re a great website they just suck for ammo and powder
So funny that they call it easy clean. True, it is easy to get out, but BOY is it filthy and you'll have to clean a LOT. Even compared to just standard black powder.
@@FortuneCookie45LC yes I understand I was just making sure and besides Im not sure if Id shoot 777 in any of my hand guns or riffles unless I had to so thats why Id load my shot gun shells first and save my metal for other
.410 in full brass. Recommend real black for it. 20 grains average and 25 starts pushing it. Starts deforming shells. In full brass. Taken it to 30 but lets just say i can tell where the 45 colt “stop” is in my cylinders to keep me from loading 454 casull or longer. 410 full brass using cork wads cut with a 45 colt shell casing and pushed out with a hex wrench through the primer hole
start out with about 50% of the volume of powder filled to the bullet base and work up...carefully. It is NOT black Gunpowder it is a whole new world. I have been using Black Gunpowder since Curtis & Harvey and corrosive caps. 777 is OK since the real thing is somewhat scarce and cleans up fast..
dan vaca - Now, now, let's not start spreading any false rumors...just t'isn't so. I'm actually down to my last two bricks of large pistol primers...gotta make those Winchesters stretch a little... Have a great day, Steve
This is why I got into cap and ball revolvers... I can find ALL the components and shoot whenever I want. New hobby... Win-win
I really appreciate your expertise and common sense
Good stuff. With the current primer shortage black powder shooting has been my go to lately. Got a percussion cap maker and compound at 22reloader. Works like a charm. Just got 2 lbs of 777 at Midway to supplement my Pyrodex stock. Started casting my own balls and bullets after watching your videos years ago. Keep up the good work Steve!
Hahaha same here bro last time I was shooting mine though I was having chain fire issues! It happened twice and I was done for a while lol I have made a thousand caps I got in a tin can and bought a bunch of their primer mix. It's corrosive but works well also doubles as a fun exploding target for the pellet rifle
No reason for everything to be so scarce. Wish someone would start a primer facility here in the states.
TT8628 - Amen to that, bro...that's that supply chain thing...we do need to make those here instead of overseas. Best to ya, Steve
Absolutely. Its not like there hasn't been shortages before and manufacturers should know how to meet demands. Its hard to believe that we are already having a 2nd shortage since i got into shooting 5 years ago. Ridiculous.
I find it best when shooting black powder or any substitute to bring along a plastic jar half full of water with a few drops of Dawn dish soap in it.
As I shoot I drop the fired cases into the jar. When I'm through shooting I put the lid on the jar and give it a shake for ten seconds.
When I get home I dump the brass in a wet tumbler to finish cleaning.
Thanks for the video.
JD - You've got it wired, JD..!! That sounds like policy to me..... Steve
Mr. Cookie you forgot to mention one major thing about shooting black powder or BP substitutes. They can not be fired at an indoor range. BP subs produce almost as much smoke as BP and you will quickly be told to stop shooting it as even the best ventilated ranges will cloud the room.
Years ago I was friends with an owner of a small range. Sometimes I was the only one shooting and the owner would allow me to shoot my BP and BP substitute loaded metallic cartridges (.38 Special & .45 Colt) Id let him know and he would turn on all the exhaust fans. Still, I had to fire very slowly and wait between cylinders or the room would fill with smoke. One time the "glowies" from Pyrodex P (a Hodgdon BP sub for handguns) set the range floor on fire from all the unburnt smokeless that built up. The 2 foot square fire crawled around and luckily burned out before I had to blast it with the extinguisher. I never fired BP or a BP sub indoors again.
Blackhorn 209 is far less filthy in this regard and the way to go if you're going with a non-smokeless powder. But good luck affording it.
@@milo8425 Never used Blackhorn 209 but I heard it was not very accurate. I found Pyrodex RS Select to be highly accurate as a substitute however.
Very good info for these times 👍🏻🇺🇸
JBO - Thanks for posting, Jesse...Have a great day, Steve
One trick many in the N-SSA use for reduced loads with black is to use a filler to fill up the rest of the chamber or cartridge case Cream of wheat or Grits work real well. I take a laundry soap container to the range with H20 and some soap and drop my fired cases in after firing. Bouncing home does a nice job removing residue.
Jim Weber - Thanks for that trick...I will do that...I've heard of using Cream of Wheat as a filler... I may yet take you up on that... Good shootin' to ya, Steve
Thanks for the heads up at Midway! 👍
Thanks Steve, I have the IMR 777 powered and love it. Just bought my first black
Powder a while back but haven’t had the opportunity to shoot it :-))
Thanks for the information on the Triple 7 :-))
Nick J - Always good to hear from you. One thing about the true black powder is the flames and sparks (sometimes a river of flame runs out that muzzle..!!) that fly on the touch off. Fires can start from that stuff. I've seen burning patches 15 yards downrange. 777 doesn't have that problem - it makes smoke, but no flames. Best to ya, Steve
Good information Steve.
64samsky - Great to hear from you, and thanks for posting, Steve
I got 3 jugs from Midway a couple weeks ago. As I type this, They are now 'out of stock'.
Good thing I stocked up on Percussion Caps over the last couple of years,
they are 'unobtainium' as well. -nobody has them, (Unless you have an inside source).
Thanks for the good info.
I tried H777 FFG this weekend in .43 Mauser and .41 Swiss with very promising results, next up will be to try it in 50-95 Express. I would also note these loads "felt hotter" as far as recoil went. The .43 in a 1871 Mauser had a significantly higher POI.
Thanks for the information
LA - And thanks to you for taking the time to post.... Steve
Makes you wonder if everyone should own a muzzle loader, though I'm not sure of the supply on percussion caps. I need to refurb my old CVA Kentucky long rifle in 45 and get shooting it again. Got that kit as a gift when I was about 12 back in better times. My dad got a 36cal revolver kit that same year, had fun with both for a few years.
I just bought a Benjamin Marauder PCP .22 cal air rifle dubbed by enthusiasts as the "M-Rod". It comes from the factory with a suppressor or as known on airguns as a "moderator". The power is like a subsonic .22LR 850 - 1000 fps and sounds like one suppressed. There is no 4473 paperwork, FBI NICS,, ATF NFA.... no nothing when you buy and own one. They ship them right to your door. This ain't no Red Ryder toy Ralphy wanted for Christmas. It's pretty serious and full on. Always wanted one for another option to standard firearms where and when you can't shoot them. Also it is far easier than jumping through NFA Class III hoops to get a suppressor.
@@JohnDoeEagle1 you should try something like the 357 Benjamin Bulldog or some of the 45 or 50 caliber airguns.
@@minigpracing3068
This is my first and it doesn't look to be my last. I lost track and interest seeing Wal-Mart toys.......
These are not those at all.
@@JohnDoeEagle1 if you get a good barrel, the mrod is very competent within its design goals. People have customized the receiver and air tube making them things like .257 and porting the airways to get up around 200fpe (foot pounds of energy). That's a big modification! For decent out of the box, USA company, the Bulldog is hood and you can cast a bunch of different rounds to shoot. Rumor is that Crosman/Benjamin is making a 45 rifle, might be Bulldog shaped. Also look at some offerings from Kral (from Turkey), they are making the 3 new Benjamin guns (Akela, Craytos and the other I don't remember). Once I do a little work on my Kral it is going to be everything I wanted out of a 25 cal. Also going to do a little work on my Bulldog to make it a little better. Of mention are the Chinese AEA, they have massive power from higher pressure, but cost is very low. They are pushing out free guns all over UA-cam to get the word out, not really a policy I like because you don't get the whole truth. AEA have 357 and down, with a 50 soon to arrive.
@@minigpracing3068
What I like most is how powerful and accurate these new PCP rifles have gotten with modern technology. They aren't cheap so to speak but you are getting your money worth in performance and quality. I don't have a problem putting the money out if the product performs and lives up to the hype.
The numbers are perfect!!!😁👍🏻🤙🏼(777)
Brian - Remember the hoot factor...we can't understimate the hoot factor...gotta appreciate the hoot factor..!! Best to ya, Steve
I believe you. I just recently learned that rifle primers can be used in pistol cases and the only major difference is the cup hardness. I was very surprised by this. I'm guessing there are minor differences in the flash but not enough to drastically change pressure.
SRP worked great in the 1911 45acp but not with with light striking XDM 9mm
I have loaded triple 7 in brass 16 ga. Thanks for your great info
HM - Wow, I didn't even know they even made 16 gauge brass..!! Continued good shootin' to ya, Steve
as CAS shooter, i use triple seven in cap'n balls, cartridges and shotgun. I shot smaller charges and i filling the cartridges with materials as Captain G.Baylor had saying to me, no problem and nice work...
Hello Steve
Ive read to reduce triple 777 by 15% because its hotter than BP.
So it should be ok to shoot in BP cases. Id love to try it in 45-70 since my Trapdoor is an 1880 Manufactured Cadet model
Charles - With that specimen Trapdoor, I'd recommend you stay with the true black, as that is the best recommendation. That being said, I'd go with shortening your worn out 45/70 brass to 1.800" and loading FFg 777 45/55 Dabo rounds. You would have shorter handier ammo, and still have effective ammo. Best to ya, Steve
Thanks for the update and info! ❤️❤️
Also wouldn’t it be doable, in straight wall cartridges, to use wads to fill extra space from downloading the black powder?
Arizona - yes, you could certainly do that. But going with the older shorter cases is preferred, or we could shorten cases to our own liking - the rimmed rounds give us that flexibility. I did that with the 45/55 shortened old 45/70 cases to 1.800" to give me the power level I wanted. Works efficiently with smokeless also. Have a great day, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC Thanks for getting back to me! Somewhat of a rhetorical question but I appreciate the answer nonetheless. I will certainly keep that in mind for future projects. Thanks again
Black powder shooters fill the gap with cream of wheat
I have shot it in my ruger Blackhawk 44 special with a 140 grain jacked slugs with 777 and it seems fine . I use the same powder charge in my 1858 Remington replica with a round ball
LT - Thanks for the additional infor, Linus..!! Steve
Thanks for the info!!
Seems like a great time for a play on words: All the double-based powders were in stock until they "took a powder". They were all gone "in a flash"!
Just saw smokeless on midway last night. For the same price. But never a bad thing to have a solid backup that works.
Arizona - I saw the same thing, Midway must have gotten some limited smokeless in...but it's still only a drop in the oasis, but a good sign nonetheless. Like you say, just for the fun hoot factor alone, the 777 is definitely useful. Recently, an NRA bullseye shooter friend in a nearby lane had to time his 25 yard practice shots to mine so that the smoke would clear enough for him to get his shots off (what the heck, NRA bullseye has timed fire anyway - good practice for him). I didn't know it, but the video caught him finally breaking out in laughter. Best to ya, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC Thank you for your response. Yep, it’s slow and may be a rougher year on powder this year. That is rather funny about your friend timing his shots! On powder etc, just hanging on and trying to get stuff at lower prices if I can help it. The more I wait, the better prices are getting.
Just out of curiosity, why is air space bad with black powder?
pressure spikes caused by wave of pressure in an open space being reflected back
Thanks for the info brother.
Hey, what about pyrodex P? That works great too!
Ótimo vídeo 👌 recomendo aos brasileiros Brasil 🇧🇷 !
Like your videos and their content 👌
Thanks, Nathan...Have a great day, Steve
Steve, It is commendable that you are showing alternative considerations because of the high cost and unavailability of projectiles and powder (you know how I feel about the whole thing, however, it is what it is) again, there are choices and other ways of loading and still be on the savings side of crafting ammunition. Keep up the fight! -Dave
Hi Dave..!! We have to get together some time soon, perhaps shoot a round or two of trap...or do the range thing. Fun in the sun..!! - - circumstances permitting, of course. Best to ya, Steve
What do you think of Black Horn 209 black powder? I have also researched that it is much easier as well on clean up after quite a few rounds. I'm a big fan of the Triple 777 as well. 😃
777 works great in 20 gauge too. Pumpkin balls, BBz, buck n ball 👍👍
I want to experiment with the triple 7 and some 9mm casings lol I may have to cycle the action manually but to formulate some triple 7 9mm loads I have used a formulation for rifle casings I found in one of my old army handbooks called improvised munitions. It lists a recipe for rifle powder for when powder is not available. I got it to fire 45 ACP 200grain Cast bullets successfully lol it's an awesome firework powder
AND WHERE have all the primers gone ??
Same place shiploads of loaded cartridges went 2 cycles ago....
Over the continental shelf😒
Walter - great question...but the hoarders can't hoard forever - they think they can drive prices up and sell into the demand. But the supply is producing as much as they can, sooner or later, that supply is going to win out and we'll have primers again...powder is starting to show up, slowly, but it's a good sign. In the meantime, getting some available 777 is not a bad idea, because it's a good powder for reloaders for the fun factor alone.... Best to ya, Steve
TripleSeven is a great powder, I been using it in my Winchester 73 45 colt, and Colt SAA 45, no velocity swings, like unique, I use the 1.9 lee dipper,
Indian Creek - Ahhh, the Gun that Won the West..!! Continued good shootin' to ya, with that smokepole...literally..!! Steve
I prefer real black but this stuff is pretty cool for maximum velocity.
Mk Shffr - Also easier cleanup, safer storage and no flames or rivers of sparks when shooting...but I know how the true black is loved by many... Best to ya, Steve
Wheres all the primers
At Fortune Cookies house
@@danvaca199 😂😂😂😂hoarder
@@danvaca199 - Really, but that's news to me....I'll have to start putting out the Claymores... LOL Best to ya, Steve
Interesting vid 45LC. Should this be loaded from a drop tube ? 👍
A drop tube is not necessary. Just tap the side of the brass to make sure everything is settled
p g - like DOc says, drop tubes are only necessary when we are trying to pack as much in there as possible. For standard type loadings, just pour 'em in..!! Best to ya, Steve
700x is definitely one of those powders of hard times also. Fairly cheap no need to have 0 air gap no powder foaling because it’s a smokeless powder it can be used in all cartridges shotgun pistol rifle it’s also economic for all above stated very low charges in pistol and rifle to get useable velocities. In my honest opinion 700x is one of the greatest powders invented. Hopefully it never goes away I stumbled across 700x on complete accident. Some old timers was selling off all his reloading equipment and supplies. He had a 12 lb canister unopened for sale on Armslist in my area. So I decided to look it up in my reloading manuals and it has load data for 9mm 357mag 38cal 45acp 223rem 308win and of course all the shotgun gauges because technically it is a shotgun powder. But I think it should be renamed Hodgdons jack of all trades masters of none. 700x truly one of the greatest powders available today. However with all that being said I must add it 1 flaw that’s easy to remedy it can be double charged in rifle cartridges. But if a reloader is truly worth any kind of salt they know to check and recheck there cases before they cap them off with a projectile.
Way to go, Cookie! Now all the civil war reenactors won't be able to shoot their guns! 😄😄
Dammit!!!! Another shortage!!!!😂
LH - Indeed, those reenactors can benefit using 777 as there is much reduced fire hazards...Have a great day, Steve
Just got a 148 grain wadcutter mold and want to try some 777 under them in 38 special. I haven't had time to do it, but I'm hoping there's enough room in the case for enough 777 because those wadcutters seat pretty deep I think. I'm wondering if I should have chosen a different bullet style, but I heard wadcutters are great for self defense at the lower feet per second range. My 38 is a snubby, so I don't plan on shooting fast loads.
Hogdon 777 does work great with cartridges, cap & ball revolvers and most cap lock (percussion) muzzleloaders, it is a absolute disaster when using a flintlock gun.
I was leaning towards 777 for 38, 357 and 45-70. I need recipes for 158 gr bullets in 38 & 357. For 45-70 I use berry's plated bullets in 350 gr.
Paul305 - That's the beauty of 777, Paul - there is no recipe...you just put in the 777 to fill the case capacity behind whatever bullet you are using. With any reasonable weight bullets, you are good to go... Good shootin' to ya, Steve
Fortune what about 12 gauge 777 FFFG? What is a good starting load?
I wonder what lube is best on my homecast boolits using Triple 7 , smokeless , blackpowder or something else 🤔.
I only shoot the holy black! But I do have 4 lbs of 777 laying around just in case!
Disciple O'christ - That's probably where the exclamation "Holy Smoke..!!" came from. Touch 'em off good, DOc..!! Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC thank you brother. God bless. Ty for putting out good content. You're videos taught me alot about that new fangled smokeless stuff😉
Antique Firearms real blackpowder ONLY , others different pressure curve! ✔
William - you got that, bro..!! 777 is for late model steel only for sure... Have a great day, Steve
Have you heard anything about primers coming available
Nathan Farmer - Not really, but when they become available, I'm ready to pounce.... Best to ya, Steve
Good Video.
Thanks, ezrabrooks12 - your comment is appreciated... Steve
Older revolvers does that mean revolvers that are actually old or does that mean reproductions of old style revolvers?
Old revolvers. Maybe full brass frame new repros too.
I shoot 777 fffg in all my reporductions. SAAs and open tops and lever guns. Everything can handle it no problem.
Is the case big enough on a 41 mag for it to work? I’ll have to give it a go!
CC - Yes, indeed. There was a time when little 32s were loaded with just under 3 grains of black powder. I'll be touching those off before too long. Best to ya, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC I was also wondering how the 777 would work in the 41 colt. Little bit different than the 41 mag, but not much different when talking powder volume. With the 41 colt there are 2 different bullet types. A heeled bullet and a deep hollow base bullet. With the hollow base bullet, a little bit of comoression is needed.
been reloading now for 4 years, still I wont try black powder or any substitute, just to much of a chicken I guess.
Please tell me how to load a 300blk with a 174gr Lehigh defense and stay under the overall length
For black powder arms, ive found you need a hotter primer than standard muzzleloader primers. CCI makes some listed as "magnum" and they work well with it. Cartridge primers should work fine with it. Im not a fan of it due to the need of hotter primers and a lack of availability of them.
One point to add....if using black powder, i highly suggest you anneal the case necks prior to loading to add longevity to your case life. They work harden faster with black powder in my experience. Same goes with pyrodex. Cant speak to triple 7, havent used it in bpcr. Also, mind your barrel temperature a little closer, bpcr tends to run warmer due to how the powder ignites in comparison to smokeless. Also, in revolvers especially, mind your powder fouling... It will eventually lock up the gun and can damage the hand in your firearm. It needs to be managed and monitored closely.
Rumblestrip - Thanks for sharing your experience with us. The 777 seems to foul in a manner that allows shooting to continue...I was expecting a real mess, but did not have that. Plus the power achieved with 777 3Fg in cartridges like the 45 Colt is really welcome to me in my strong Ruger SAs...pressures are really not problematic at all. The smoke and boom are a real hoot to shoot - and accurate to boot... I could have been a poet, I could have been a contender...hmmm, I have a Contender...!! LOL.. Best to ya Rumble..!! Steve
33$ a pound? Sheeeeeesh. I get entire containers from my local hunting shop for 40$
They get you with that hazmat shipping big time on midway. I love them they’re a great website they just suck for ammo and powder
Have u tried white hot, black powder substitute
Brad Radcliff - No, but I've become a real fan of 777. All the fun of black powder without the drawbacks...Best to ya, Steve
So funny that they call it easy clean. True, it is easy to get out, but BOY is it filthy and you'll have to clean a LOT. Even compared to just standard black powder.
can you load shot gun shells with it as well
A B - Shotshells can be loaded with 777, but lots more metallic loading to be done first... Have a great day, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC yes I understand I was just making sure and besides Im not sure if Id shoot 777 in any of my hand guns or riffles unless I had to so thats why Id load my shot gun shells first and save my metal for other
A B - Yes, most definitely. I've been using Triple7 FFg in my 12 gauge loads with great success. 1 1/8 oz shot over 65 grains (4.3 cc Lee dipper)
Have you tried loading 410 shells?
Ray Sherrod - I have never fired a 410, but intend to rectify that as soon as availability returns...Best to ya, Steve
.410 in full brass. Recommend real black for it. 20 grains average and 25 starts pushing it. Starts deforming shells. In full brass. Taken it to 30 but lets just say i can tell where the 45 colt “stop” is in my cylinders to keep me from loading 454 casull or longer. 410 full brass using cork wads cut with a 45 colt shell casing and pushed out with a hex wrench through the primer hole
I just want some for my Remy new model army.
erlycuyler - That 777 will do very well for you...with that 1858... Good shootin' to ya, Steve
777 is not bad when used in modern made arms.
Have you tried it with 30-30?
heathenous81 - No, only straight walls so far...but when the time comes, the 30/30 will be the first bottleneck I do... Best to ya, Steve
start out with about 50% of the volume of powder filled to the bullet base and work up...carefully. It is NOT black Gunpowder it is a whole new world.
I have been using Black Gunpowder since Curtis & Harvey and corrosive caps. 777 is OK since the real thing is somewhat scarce and cleans up fast..
How about taking it with a little bit of saltpeter?
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Michael - The medicinal effects of 777 no less...lol... Best to ya, bro.... Steve
Fortune cookie is hogging all the pistol powder and primers
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dan vaca - Now, now, let's not start spreading any false rumors...just t'isn't so. I'm actually down to my last two bricks of large pistol primers...gotta make those Winchesters stretch a little... Have a great day, Steve