Bane and Luke having a conversation about the force would probably be one of the most interesting ways to frame the contrast and conflict between the light and dark sides
I agree that would be fascinating to read. We get a hint of something like that in the Book of Sith when Bane writes "the Force is not fire, it is venom" (i.e. the dark side is stronger when concentrated in one rather than spread among many) and Luke adds his own comment "Bane was wrong. The Force IS fire" (i.e. the light grows stronger as one torch is used to light many others).
If such a conversation or debate about the force would exist, then I belive they would find one point to agree on. There is no death, there is the force. And as we all know, if there would be a thing such as a master's degree in the Force, then Bane would be a Doctor, giving Luke a run for his money, but Luke is also a Doctor in his very own kind of way :) So yes... it would be interesting to see these 2 debating the harmony of the light side vs the benefits of the perks of the dark side.
Luke was in many ways the prefect Jedi, as he embodied a much healthier idea of light side attainment. He didn’t shut off his feelings and he still had attachments to the ones he loved. He experienced emotions while still having a strong sense of emotional control to keep any chaotic emotions he may have controlled. He’s not a Jedi who has simply made a life based around avoiding adversity at all costs, but a Jedi who has made a point to maintain control through adversity. So to me, Luke is a true Jedi.
Also, when you look at Luke's black tunic, you'll notice that it's open like, not like the other Jedi. He's not afraid to show his emotions because, like Connor says, he's not afraid of the dark.
@@kibatgrenbuku He does. In fact, Luke represents the Jedaii of old, who accept the dark side as a necessary to the preservation of all life while embracing light side that was within them all. The Jedaii of old in EU however, turned away from this true ideal of force by an excessive fear of the DS true nature and as of result of “preventing the evil of the DS”. They committed greater evils to their brothers who wanted to maintain the ways old of which is the Balance between both sides of Force and it resulted 25,000 years horrors for the entire galaxy. Luke’s New Order represented the end to these horrors and the acceptance of humanity for all sentient beings within the galaxy which would result in the eventual end to Sith since they were allowed to freely express their individuality without excess fear of the DS.
@@grandenigma9400I'm probably not as knowledgeable as u are but I get the impression the jedi turned away from old ways because of fear. The DS is powerful and most jedi are unable to be exposed to much without turning, especially in times of crisis. Yea jedi like windu, Luke maybe plo Koon can use the DS but in control most can not, so as a solution just condemn it all together. Can't be sad about the loss of a loved one if u don't have any kind of thing
@@XAX-v well with the firing of fucking stupid KK and promotion of Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau, Disney is headed into the right direction. Mike Zeroh confirmed that some of the EU material will be back in some form.
@@kirillzakharov7336 Where is any of this info coming from? I'd be more than happy to see KK get what's coming to her and to see some select parts of the current Legends universe come back as EU but this all sounds too good to be true.
Finally someone makes a VS. battle with Luke that acknowledges that Luke can adapt to the fight in stead of just saying he's like Anakin a 1 trick pony. Thank you.
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hi Conner my name is Sean this is the first Comment I've ever posted on your channel but I've been watching your stuff for years. I think I've watched every single one of your versus videos and always found your analysis to be in-depth meticulous and done with a passion for the subject that only a true EU Guru. I'd like to add a Hallelujah hell yes to your comment at 4:34. I really don't like what they've done to Luke in this new continuity. if there was one thing that elevated this fictional character to a near Messianic status for me was the fact that he taught me the true meaning of never giving up. and the powers that be in their wisdom have neutered him into just like you said a depressed coward who failed the Jedi Order. thanks for reminding me what it was about Luke that truly made him the greatest Jedi Master ever. keep the flame lit!! EU first EU last EU always! May the force be with you
Long as true fans like us exist, the real Star Wars cannot die. Let the normies, sjws, and corporatist cockrings have their cheap knockoff version. We know what the real Star Wars looks like.
@@lapplandkun9273 TCW retconned alot of EU stuff that is precisely why and I was placing it out in the ether here watch this ua-cam.com/video/pH1tw0xBYcg/v-deo.html
@@LokiTheClever that doesn't answer my question of who are you replying to, and my point still stands of the clone wars show being beloved. Also, are you EU fans that stuck up and think its so perfect that it doesn't also have flaws and it's a gigantic mess at times as well?
One thing I've always found fascinating about Darth Bane is that his nature and training are not at all suited to his goals. He is a soldier, equipped and able to batter and brutalise his opponents and tear through opposition. while not unsuited to cunning and adaptability, he is *not* a grand schemer, or someone who fights as one. And yet, he forces his way to that end through sheer indomitable will. This leaves him open to many mistakes, as he is trying to create the mould that would eventually be exemplified in Darth Plagueis while having the inclinations and temperament of Malgus, seeing that *that* is what the dark side and the Sith need to survive and thrive. His success, despite these shortcomings, are I think his most laudable accomplishments.
I disagree that he was not a grand schemer. He literally created “the grand plan” of the sith, which succeeded in darth sidious. He also became the sole dark lord of the sith by tricking the brotherhood of darkness into destroying themselves with the thought bomb. He schemed his way into extraordinary weath and power in his lifetime in order to further the grand plan. Not bad for the son of a drunken miner.
I really liked this video. Very good production values and editing. I thought this was a great matchup, you excellently chose the versions of each character and the way you analyzed and detailed their characteristics made clear the close similarities alongside the stark differences in philosophy and execution each character possesses. When I initially saw the title I actually thought of Bane as the Paragon and Luke as the Renegade. Bane a paragon of the Darkside, an example of a somewhat more traditional powerful pure Darkside, whereas Luke is an example of a somewhat more unorthodox Jedi given the way he was trained, being unafraid of the dark and taking a variety of aggressive and even Darkside skills and applying them with a Jedi bent (hence the renegade part). The heart of this matchup seems to me to be about a difference in philosophy and application as it pertains to Jedi vs Sith approaches with similar skill-sets. It's very well done.
Hey Jensaarai, got to say the video was really good. It got me thinking you really hate the new disney canon, have you ever though of making a video titled why I hate the new canon, I feel like that would be hilarious to watch.
I think one could honestly make a three hour 3 part trilogy rant as to why each new film is hot garbage. I don’t remember who said it, but I’ll quote him now... “The OT was a great story told masterfully. The PT was a great story told poorly. The ST was a shit story told poorly.”
Why does Disney steal ideas from Legends and turn them into a shittier more boring version of themselves. Jacen Solo to Kylo Ren. Grandmaster Luke to depressed hermit Luke. Dark Empire to First Order. WTF
Well done, my friend. Good thing you put in Bane's example of Dun Moch; not many videos have that example. I think you might've forgotten his Force Wound ability, as he demonstrated against Qordis, but I'm sure Luke of _Dark Empire_ would've found a way to work around it. I especially love the way you used the way to categorize each section. Antoine would be proud. ;)
This is not Luke at his prime, not even close. Nor is it Bane at his prime. There are a number of individuals who could defeat Luke during this era. Grandmaster Luke? I'd say only Vitiate could put up a good match.
One of the lesser known aspects of the Rule of Two is that Darth Bane decreed all presence or mention of the Sith must be accompanied by ominous chanting in some form or another. It helps to focus the Dark Side.
The matchup is more important/cool than who wins. That's why I would love to see Quinlan Vos and Aayla Secura vs Cade Skywalker and Shado Vao despite knowing who will win that.
True, but a good matchup is simply about the characters and their abilities plus their similarities. That's why I chose those four even though it's clear which two would probably win, especially since I haven't seen them featured yet.
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Amazing work, Connor--definitely one of your best videos to date. Quick questions: what are our chances of seeing Plo vs Jerec? Or Aran Leneer vs Senya Tirell? TCW Maul vs Bultar Swan? Just for kicks, how about Darth Vectivus vs Master Fay?
@Macattack Agreed--I'm not so much concerned with who wins as how Maul wins. I'd love to get him into a great unarmed fight, in addition to a full duel, and Swan seems like a great opponent for that.
Evan yeh but that was basically entirely speculation. Personally I don't like those types of analysis, as it's basically just Jensaarai's opinion, with no facts to ground it. To be fair Aran Leneer has more that Warb Null has, as she actually has two duels
if luke was able to repel Sid's lightning in ROTJ, who is superior to Bane, then by the time of Dark Empire, Luke surely would be able to defend against Bane's lightning.
Surprised you think DE Luke is only PoD Bane level. I've seen at least one favorable comparison of DE Luke to prime Exar Kun, who is comfortably above DoE Bane let alone Bane near the beginning of his Sith Lord career. Granted even DE Luke gets a bit overwanked. People think he took on DE Palpatine alone, which is decidedly not the case. He would've been mincemeat had he not been amped. Excellent versus though. Definitely one of your best matchups and puts a fresh spin on two waaaay overrequested/overwanked characters. And dead on with that panning of New Canon Luke... ugh. The NJO storylines weren't always the greatest, but taking GM Luke (as ridiculously powerful as he was) and downgrading him into a disgraced nomad and failure is such a huge bitch slap to the fans raised on EU continuity.
I think it's not fair to draw conclusions about canon Luke until the next two movies drop. Maybe he's playing a longer, deeper game. I will say that I will be greatly disappointed if he did just wuss out and ran away. That being said, I didn't much care for EU Luke's evolution. He was made into a sort of gary stu. I think him being a "force god", as Jensaarai put it, was not compelling at all. He was the Superman of the SW universe, but even DC did a better job of establishing Superman's limitations than Lucasbooks did with Luke Skywalker.
I agree that Luke was pushed into Gary Stu territory and the DBZ-level of power he achieved was more than a little ridiculous. I still bought the evolution of Luke from farm boy to Jedi Grandmaster and thought he earned that status more or less fairly. It's still more satisfying than what Episode VII gave us. We'll see if VIII fixes it but my hopes aren't high.
wristofkings POD Bane is certainly comparable to prime Kun and and Prime Bane is almost certainly superior to Kun. Bane is way more effective with the force and is at least as skilled and kun with a blade though likely more so
I seriously don’t understand why people don’t like TCW, it was objectively amazing, and let’s stop pretending that legends didn’t get ridiculous as well. Oh and I agree with your point by the way.
I am still hoping you are making Kaa'sim vs Battlemaster Kao Cen Derach. And I wonder what you think, do you think that Bane would have survived the duel on Tython without his Oblisk armor?
Mace, while this is true, i wont dispute that, I would like to point out that on Tython, Bane was aware of the advantages offered by the orbalisk armor and molded his lightsaber style around basically being an untouchable juggernaut. in Dynasty, he was aware he wasn't lightsaber impervious and so had retooled his style. Meaning that, if he hadn't had the armor, his fighting style would have been very different than what we actually see in the novel
+Matthew White It's been a while since I've read the books, but I think he wasn't anticipating having his Force Lightning redirected back in his face like it was. He unleashed a MASSIVE torrent of very powerful Lightning at his foe, which was redirected and ended up striking him. If he'd not been wearing the armor, it's more likely than not that he would have died right then and there.
@@sergeantassassin3425 dude the only reason he almost died in the novel was because of the orbelisks dying from his lightning and releasing their toxin into bane, I have never seen any versus battle with him on youtube where he isn't either wanked to Oblivion or severely downplayed
@@momo1177 Yes, but keep in mind: the torrent of lightning he unleashed was absolutely devastating. Had he not been wearing the armor to begin with, it's very likely he would have died from it instead of nearly dying from the Orbalisk toxin. The lightning instantly killed the Jedi who had thrown up the protection bubble to begin with, and immediately knocked Bane unconscious, grievously wounding him despite his Orbalisk armor, and killed every last Orbalisk that was on his body.
@@sergeantassassin3425 yes you're right but do keep in mind that that jedi master was already dying so the lightning might have just finished him off and the orbelisks are weak to lightning so they couldn't have absorbed that much force. Also Banes helmet was metallic and metall conducts electrecity, which lends credence to him probably surviving the attack if it hadn't been for the orbelisks (though it would have probably knocked him out cold either way)
Jensaarai1, Another verdict that I completely agree on. You somehow manage to pave a path for these hypothetical fights that is both exciting and interesting to watch. Keep on making these awesome videos!
Jensaarai, I have to admit, the music is top notch, your analysis of both fighters is really thorough and worth using for reference, and you analyzed both fighters at periods in their career where they were most developed, though not at the expense of practical information, good job, my questions are this; 1)why do you think Grandmaster Luke is OP? 2) what is your favourite version of luke, OT luke, DE luke , or GM Luke? my personal favourite is OT luke mainly because of his development
After seeing The Last Jedi, I concretely agree with your statement at 4:12-4:35. The backstory behind Ben Solo's failure is an insult to how Luke handled Kyp Durron, and his struggles with the Darkside. Most of the scenes between Luke and Ray were reused from Vima Sunrider's apprenticeship under Ulic Qel-Droma, blended with Metra Surik's detachment from the Jedi and the Force tempered with Kreia's philosophies. While I do agree with some topics and scenes inThe Last Jedi, Luke's story and actions were an insult to the character. However, on the flip side I cannot think of a better way for Luke's death than in The Last Jedi: using his powers to provide a final aid to his allies and family, accomplishing a feat like a mass Force-illusion towards tens of thousands of people from an entire planet away before releasing himself into the Force. You are completely accurate in your description of comparing Legends Luke to Cannon Luke.
Didn't Bane overcome his weakness against Jar-kai? He trained with kasim, defeated kasim, trained zannah in a form of it, and faced it's best practitioner and orbalisks aside, wasn't particularly overwhelmed by it, though I agree without it, she would've won
In all likelihood yes. The issue is that we don't have any demonstrations to draw from that conclusively prove it. The Tython duel isn't really relevant given that Bane's technique at that time was based around the invulnerability that the orbalisks provided him. Without it his style would have been entirely different by the time him and Lsu faced one another.
Thank you,Jensaari, the Disney universe has destroyed the very icon I idolized as a child. Luke would have never backed down from the the bullshit that Kylo whine did. Plus, the Jedi academy should have been founded more readily and the members more hardened by the Jedi master's ability and knowledge rather than running away. Luke could take anything the galaxy could dish out and keep getting back up.
If you don't like the Disney version, then don't give Disney a single cent. Whining and complaining about how the characters in the JJ Abrams films are not the same as they are in Legends while spending your hard-earned money on them and the related merchandise is not going to solve whatever problem you have with the Star Wars Canon.
+VeyronSSNinja Kenobi's passive tk def is weak, but Galen cant even penetrate the tk barriers of low level force adepts. But then again, lightning+hes chucking everything at you rapid fire.
Kenobi should be able to beat Marek. He's a better swordsman and could certainly outlast or undermine Galen. Marek's force powers also aren't likely to amount to much. Lightning would be absorbed by Kenobi's lightsaber, direct force pushes can be blocked, thrown objects can be avoided or destroyed. On top of that Kenobi can take a large amount of physical punishment so he isn't going to be battered into submission. Proxy's training module (limited in some ways as it is) helps Galen contend but it's not enough to give him the victory.
Luke Skywalker FTW! You NEED to do Mara Jade at some point! Mara Jade vs. Darth Zannah perhaps? Githany, Bastila Shan, or Satele Shan would be sweet ass options too!
Ki Adi Sandwich Shaak Ti would win. There is nothing Anakin has in his array of abilities that she could not at least deal with. On the other hand Shaak Ti is a master of lighsaber combat with a unique hybrid form that allows her to eliminate all weaknesses of her chosen styles and reap all the benefits. Her powerful knowledge in the force is also a deadly asset in her arsenal.
Do you think your next vs video can be Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Malgus? I feel that Anakin takes it because he goes in to a fight on the offence, but unless you piss him off prior you get a very deadly and a calm deadly Anakin Skywalker, Malgus falls victim of going too crazy with his lightsaber moves when he gets heated and develops a sense of tunnel vision because of this, I personally feel this is why a level headed fighter like Obi Wan Kenobi or the afore mentioned Anakin Skywalker(he is usually level headed but he won't be unless you piss him off)would beat Malgus in an out and out fight to the death, though I am a BIG Anakin Skywalker fanboy so I will concede to bias. However this is Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Malgus. Physicality = Anakin, Malgus is about 60 by the sacking of the Jedi temple and has a respirator which Anakin can easily exploit, they have comparable strength but Anakin is faster, they both have very high pain thresh holds as well so that is moot. Use of the force = Equals, Anakin has more raw power yes and their variety with their power is comparable. Malgus is a very well rounded force user, male storm, push, pull, choke, lightning, saber throw, cheating death and I wouldn't put it past him that he can use basic mind tricks and all that, Anakin has comparable variety in his powers having all of that minus male storm and lightning, but he makes up for it with force scream, being able to override the will of the force itself, he could subdue both entities of the light AND dark sides of the force and he's able to move really heavy objects with ease(using this to also rag doll certain individuals namely Assaj Ventress and Barris Offee)like the separatist dreadnought in the comics he was able to redirect with no issue so they're equals in my eyes. Duelling skills = Anakin, I feel that his showings are more impressive than Malgus as a pure lightsaber duelist as he bested THE master of makashi for his time in Count Dooku, his mentors hold him as only below Yoda and Mace Windu, he was duelling said makashi master as a fucking padawan and held out for longer than his master, bested the infamous Assaj Ventress as a bloody padawan although she was talented with killing Jedi masters and held her own against Mace bloody Windu and he was credited as being a natural warrior. Malgus isn't particularly bad but I feel his kills come from outlasting his adversaries or having them piss him off just before he engaged them increasing his strength, Satele and Cao Sen Darach = Vindican and Darach dying(the former gave Malgus a power boost as he wanted vengeance for his master), Satele Shan = Malgus won the fight, but he didn't kill her and he only won the duel when he used his force abilities on her when she was off guard and his most famous kill Ven Sallow = he did kill the Jedi, but moments prior he did witness his wife get harmed which fuelled his passion to kill the Jedi that did the deed and nearly killed both of them as Sallow almost stabbed him near the end of their duel so Malgus's victories in said duels is considerable, but for the reasons I have given his skills as a duelist have been largely over-exaggerated I feel. Weaponry = Anakin, though this doesn't really matter all too much tbh but the extra blades on Malgus's lightsaber are cool looking but have no real purpose in battle, Anakin's weapon of choice is standard but because he has given it a different option for length of the blade, it could be helpful in pushing Malgus back. The verdict: Let's say this is more comparable to Malgus's duel with Sallow, but with Anakin in place of Sallow, I feel it would start with Malgus on the attack but Anakin would be able to hold off his assault and when Malgus attempts to kick Anakin in the face, Anakin grabs his foot with his right hand pushing him back into a pillar with the force, Malgus would be staggered momentarily as the 2 engage in a blade lock with Anakin on the offensive, Malgus would try taunting Anakin however this effort would backfire as Anakin broke off the lock and sent him flying backwards into a whole group of Sith with him in the temple and he was met with a huge pillar coming his way. This kills his whole group but not him as he evaded the pillar and immediately got back up to engage Skywalker, but the duel would swiftly end while they are charging one another as Malgus would have his blade above his head, but Anakin would be running low with his blue blade at his side while sliding underneath Malgus and splitting him in half, vertically. And thus, I declare Anakin Skywalker, the chosen one of the force the victor.
I dunno, I think Malgus takes this one 6/10. Sure he's slower and his bloodthirsty nature sometimes hinders him, but between his augmented cybernetic strength and terrifying power blows I don't see Anakin easily blitzing him. Plus Malgus never gets tired, is a more cunning fighter, has an arguably superior defense, has a much more varied arsenal of Force powers and is more willing to use them than Anakin. On top of that Anakin may have taken on some fairly impressive opponents but his record is somewhat inconsistent and circumstantial at best, and on any given day he is much more used to fighting droids, bounty hunters and the like during the Clone Wars era. Get him in the zone like he was against Dooku and Malgus is fucked, but even his win against Dooku must be tempered by the fact that the old man was already depleted from fighting both Ani and Obi Wan prior to that. Meanwhile, Malgus has literally been at war for something like 30-40 years against other Force wielders and has taken on the best of them with overall strong results. He beat an exhausted Kao Cen Darach while still a Sith apprentice, outclassed Satele Shan in both their bouts before outside interference, and killed Ven Zallow fair and square, along with a slew of other Jedi and (presumably) Sith. It's a very close match, but Malgus should take slim majority.
Like I said, I feel Malgus's duels are usually in his favour circumstantially before they even begin as almost every duel he's been in his strength was amplified due to someone hurting someone close to him and the only time that didn't happen, he got hurt himself and sure he bested Shan when she was an apprentice and Jedi knight, but he has extreme tunnel vision in both fights, the one on Alderaan being most obvious example where he cannot hear that one trooper rushing towards him like a madman so his tunnel vision is a major hinderance in his duelling style. By contrast, Anakin was more well versed in defensive manoeuvres as well as a brilliant offence as his whole style revolves around that very concept, attack defend attack and using his superior acrobatics which I mean were VASTLY superior, he can easily out manoeuvre Malgus and either hit him with a force attack or engage in lightsaber combat with him. In my verdict, I made it clear that Anakin here is basically the Anakin that bested Dooku mindset wise so Malgus is screwed and when I said get through and exploit his respirator, notice how Anakin's style is strength but elegance at the same time? I simply feel Malgus wouldn't be able to defend due to his style being like a bar brawler squaring up to a trained fencer, sure he's threatening with his brute strength and clear experience advantage but his mindset is all over the place in a fight so that strength is often hindered whereas Anakin is tempered and more controlled than Malgus, the ROTS novella notes that Anakin out-fenced the best fencer of his era given what I've said about Anakin's state of mind being more akin to his bout with Dooku than say Obi Wan, Anakin should take it 7/10 I feel.
You make a fair point when it comes to Anakin's acrobatic prowess, but virtually all of Malgus' ranked Jedi opponents were speedy Ataru users (Darach's a Niman user but I see a lot of Form IV in there) and he still beat them down or tricked them into exposing an opening. The only speed fencer that consistently matched him as a duelist was Aryn Laneer, and she still lost when Malgus started leveraging his superior Force abilities. Which he could easily do against Anakin. I don't see the respirator nor the tunnel vision as huge deficits in a one on one duel, though it would depend on the environment. In someplace like the Jedi Temple there's not a whole lot of hazards Ani would be able to use against him. As for the respirator, Malgus is certainly not anywhere near as vulnerable as Vader and can still function without the respirator up to a point. My understanding is that it's more a treatment option than a life support device. He also has about 90% or more of Vader's defense (his main weak point being the head, everything else is very well protected). As for the brawler vs fencer analogy.... I've argued the case before that Malgus (on a good day) is more than fair competition for Dooku, but that's neither here nor there. Fencers care about technique and precision, to the expense of practicality (I realize Dooku's kind of a poor example to cite considering he always focused on not being enslaved to form). An experienced brawler on the other hand goes with what gets results, and Malgus is *very, very* experienced.
I'd put Malgus just barely ahead in this one--I place a lot of stock into how physicality and martial ability hybridize, and Malgus does a GREAT job at this--he's all about flow and chaining EVERYTHING together the second he gets an advantage. Against someone like Satele or Zallow, who don't get quite as swallowed into the move-by-move cadence of the fight, this works against him, but Anakin is all about focusing on the here and now in his fights. He could step back if he wants to, but against an opponent this tough his instinct would almost definitely be to lean in and keep pummeling. But when Malgus inevitably puts him on the retreat for a moment, this same fact would allow Malgus to keep on pushing for longer than Anakin can fully deal with, and because he doesn't look around to escape or environment to get out of Malgus' way, he essentially gets pummeled by the bigger and far stronger Sith.
I feel I have to say this. The new cannon about making a crystal bleed to make it red is utter bullshit - its far better to keep it as a synthetic because it shows talent in creating it, and there are ideological considerations regarding its performance with cutting rather than handling being emphasised, and the creation of something by the individual that could stand against natural crystals used by Jedi. Fuck Disney for changing things.
I think Emperor Viscuit is an extremely difficult character to use. He is one of the sith that has empowered themselves to such tremendous extends that they can't really handle their own power. Another that falls into this category is Nihlus who has it to an even greater extent. Vishuit's powers differ greatly depending on time and location as he tires extremely fast and is constantly absorbing power and energy. Vischuit is more of a conduit for the powerful force energy of his empire than a powerful force individual.
The new EU continuity makes it seem as if order 66 killed all but 6 Jedi and I don't like that, I trashes the abilities of the Jedi. Now I am a Sith sympathizer but how can the sith be strong if all they had to do was get the soldiers to gun down the Jedi.
SolarDragon007 not all but most if Obi-Wan and Yoda were the last ones then the Jedi truly lost their way. I just think that they severely dumbed down the Jedi power.
Kinda a unfair match up, Luke is from the age where Jedi Power are off the charts and they made shit up as they went along, while Bane is from a more structured time where having over powered characters is kinda lame, kinda like putting old school Superman who could sneeze away a galaxy against Thor from the Avernger's movie. Old school comics made all thier characters OP as fuck, though this was a fun video.
Jander833 hey compared w EU Canon Luke sucks so far I mean Disney being a power house it is let ball drop w story it's all a pale knock off of the EU w little to no creativity
Oh wow. I'm starting to run out of fingers for how many times I've been caught completely by surprise at the versus video releases. Hm, I'm gonna quickly place my bet on Bane...but I can see this going both ways.
+Lenny Slayer of Goldfish Overlord of Trail-Mix Hi! Good to see you again! And ikr. Some of these matches don't really surprise me (Kenobi vs Kao) but this one really surprised me.
I would very much like to see Exar Kun vs. Darth Krayt, Qui Gon Jinn vs Ulic Qel Droma, Darth Maul(TPM) vs Darth Maul(TCW), and Kao Cen Darach vs Kas'im.
Loved the video, but I have a suggestion. The video is rather hard to find using the search engine. I searched Darth Bane Vs. Luke Skywalker and it still didn't come up for me. Perhaps it's because it's new? Whatever the case, I want the video to get more exposure. I think this is one of your best videos yet, and it deserves to be recognized as such.
I liked both of these characters so I'm satisfied with the result. Also, what's the name of the music playing around 1:38? I hear it in your videos a lot. It sounds GoT-ish even though I know it isn't.
It seems you hold Bane higher than Evan does as a duellist, saying that POD Bane is about equal to Shaak Ti, whereas Evan stated that Bane in his prime was (somehow) equal to Shaak Ti as a duellist. Gotta say I agree with you on this one Jen :)
Noice. But one complainant: You said that Luke can deflect turbolaser fire with his force shield, however, the panel in question makes specific note of his lightsaber abilities implying that it was rather a blast deflection. To confirm this, if I remember correctly, the audiodrama gave the lightsaber deflect noise on that part showing that it was meant to be understood as blast deflection. I know he appeared to use a barrier, but I always assumed that was simply part of the surreal art style.
Just checked, in the audio Han even commented something like "I can't believe it! He used his lightsaber to deflect the AATAT blasterfire right back at it!" So yeah.
Bane and Luke having a conversation about the force would probably be one of the most interesting ways to frame the contrast and conflict between the light and dark sides
I agree that would be fascinating to read. We get a hint of something like that in the Book of Sith when Bane writes "the Force is not fire, it is venom" (i.e. the dark side is stronger when concentrated in one rather than spread among many) and Luke adds his own comment "Bane was wrong. The Force IS fire" (i.e. the light grows stronger as one torch is used to light many others).
idk luke was pretty boring to me
Luke and Bane would find little common ground in a discussion. Two very different people with opposed viewpoints.
If such a conversation or debate about the force would exist, then I belive they would find one point to agree on. There is no death, there is the force. And as we all know, if there would be a thing such as a master's degree in the Force, then Bane would be a Doctor, giving Luke a run for his money, but Luke is also a Doctor in his very own kind of way :) So yes... it would be interesting to see these 2 debating the harmony of the light side vs the benefits of the perks of the dark side.
That would be amazing to read.
"My name is Luke Skywalker And I want you to take my hand."
"Ok." *Detaches his prosthetic and runs away*
@@dragonballtalk8527 Kylo get fucked
Nah, man. Durge vs. Darth Sion is best fight
@@elijahstimson179 battle of immortals
Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahaha!!!!!!!
You left him stumped
Luke was in many ways the prefect Jedi, as he embodied a much healthier idea of light side attainment. He didn’t shut off his feelings and he still had attachments to the ones he loved. He experienced emotions while still having a strong sense of emotional control to keep any chaotic emotions he may have controlled. He’s not a Jedi who has simply made a life based around avoiding adversity at all costs, but a Jedi who has made a point to maintain control through adversity. So to me, Luke is a true Jedi.
Him and Quigon both.
@@TheGhostDogg100 the only other Jedi I think had done this was Bastilla Shan and her descendants like Satele
Also, when you look at Luke's black tunic, you'll notice that it's open like, not like the other Jedi. He's not afraid to show his emotions because, like Connor says, he's not afraid of the dark.
@@kibatgrenbuku He does. In fact, Luke represents the Jedaii of old, who accept the dark side as a necessary to the preservation of all life while embracing light side that was within them all. The Jedaii of old in EU however, turned away from this true ideal of force by an excessive fear of the DS true nature and as of result of “preventing the evil of the DS”. They committed greater evils to their brothers who wanted to maintain the ways old of which is the Balance between both sides of Force and it resulted 25,000 years horrors for the entire galaxy.
Luke’s New Order represented the end to these horrors and the acceptance of humanity for all sentient beings within the galaxy which would result in the eventual end to Sith since they were allowed to freely express their individuality without excess fear of the DS.
@@grandenigma9400I'm probably not as knowledgeable as u are but I get the impression the jedi turned away from old ways because of fear. The DS is powerful and most jedi are unable to be exposed to much without turning, especially in times of crisis. Yea jedi like windu, Luke maybe plo Koon can use the DS but in control most can not, so as a solution just condemn it all together. Can't be sad about the loss of a loved one if u don't have any kind of thing
I like how Jen has no chill about Disney and its interpretation.
Given his reasoning I don't blame him
He's a true star wars fan
Disney is a colossal abomination. Basically deemed by a huge majority of the fanbase as non canon
@@XAX-v well with the firing of fucking stupid KK and promotion of Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau, Disney is headed into the right direction. Mike Zeroh confirmed that some of the EU material will be back in some form.
@@kirillzakharov7336 Where is any of this info coming from? I'd be more than happy to see KK get what's coming to her and to see some select parts of the current Legends universe come back as EU but this all sounds too good to be true.
Finally someone makes a VS. battle with Luke that acknowledges that Luke can adapt to the fight in stead of just saying he's like Anakin a 1 trick pony. Thank you.
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I imagine Jensaarai sticking electrodes into the EU like Dr. Frankenstein. "It's alive! It's alive!"
I wouldn't mind Jen incharge of what's canonical
Luke: " Hello. My name is Luke Skywalker. You killed my father, prepare to die!"
Darth Vader: "No actually I am your father".
Luke: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
hi Conner my name is Sean this is the first Comment I've ever posted on your channel but I've been watching your stuff for years. I think I've watched every single one of your versus videos and always found your analysis to be in-depth meticulous and done with a passion for the subject that only a true EU Guru. I'd like to add a Hallelujah hell yes to your comment at 4:34. I really don't like what they've done to Luke in this new continuity. if there was one thing that elevated this fictional character to a near Messianic status for me was the fact that he taught me the true meaning of never giving up. and the powers that be in their wisdom have neutered him into just like you said a depressed coward who failed the Jedi Order. thanks for reminding me what it was about Luke that truly made him the greatest Jedi Master ever. keep the flame lit!! EU first EU last EU always! May the force be with you
Long as true fans like us exist, the real Star Wars cannot die. Let the normies, sjws, and corporatist cockrings have their cheap knockoff version. We know what the real Star Wars looks like.
dude, nobody likes the Disney luke.
If I was fighting Luke and he tried recruit me I’d be like:
Dude why didn’t you say so?
Thats assuming you don't get killed outright
@@LokiTheClever Luke is a psychological fight and if you surrender Luke will stop
@@marz4305 Luke is a beast if your powerlevel is too low you will get killed outright
@@LokiTheClever true but Luke doesn’t fight for fun lol if u disable ur weapon Luke will too
It's interesting how both Luke and Bane are played by Mark Hamill
Cyrus Gideon mark hamil beats both
TCW is garbage and doesnt count
@@LokiTheClever dude, who are you talking to? Plus, many star wars fans out there disagree with you.
@@lapplandkun9273 TCW retconned alot of EU stuff that is precisely why and I was placing it out in the ether here watch this ua-cam.com/video/pH1tw0xBYcg/v-deo.html
@@LokiTheClever that doesn't answer my question of who are you replying to, and my point still stands of the clone wars show being beloved. Also, are you EU fans that stuck up and think its so perfect that it doesn't also have flaws and it's a gigantic mess at times as well?
One thing I've always found fascinating about Darth Bane is that his nature and training are not at all suited to his goals. He is a soldier, equipped and able to batter and brutalise his opponents and tear through opposition. while not unsuited to cunning and adaptability, he is *not* a grand schemer, or someone who fights as one. And yet, he forces his way to that end through sheer indomitable will. This leaves him open to many mistakes, as he is trying to create the mould that would eventually be exemplified in Darth Plagueis while having the inclinations and temperament of Malgus, seeing that *that* is what the dark side and the Sith need to survive and thrive. His success, despite these shortcomings, are I think his most laudable accomplishments.
I disagree that he was not a grand schemer. He literally created “the grand plan” of the sith, which succeeded in darth sidious. He also became the sole dark lord of the sith by tricking the brotherhood of darkness into destroying themselves with the thought bomb. He schemed his way into extraordinary weath and power in his lifetime in order to further the grand plan. Not bad for the son of a drunken miner.
@@jaydom8264 Facts who grew up in the mines while sidious had wealth and books and schooling.
Very good. But when will we see Krayt vs Kun. The Renegade Rancors?
Now that’s a matchup
It's kind of a stomp in Krayt's favor. Post-resurrection!Krayt was in Palpatine's weight class.
@@pyromania1018Yeah it’d be a lot closer if it was pre-Revive
4:31 Thank you for that. Seriously, was there anything with the EU before, I ask anyone this.
THANK YOU! I completely agree with you about the Disnification of Luke.
What I take away from this:
PoD Bane is jello while Luke is silly putty.
It’s Been three years since I’ve seen this and it’s still my favorite versus video.
Mine too
I really liked this video. Very good production values and editing. I thought this was a great matchup, you excellently chose the versions of each character and the way you analyzed and detailed their characteristics made clear the close similarities alongside the stark differences in philosophy and execution each character possesses. When I initially saw the title I actually thought of Bane as the Paragon and Luke as the Renegade. Bane a paragon of the Darkside, an example of a somewhat more traditional powerful pure Darkside, whereas Luke is an example of a somewhat more unorthodox Jedi given the way he was trained, being unafraid of the dark and taking a variety of aggressive and even Darkside skills and applying them with a Jedi bent (hence the renegade part). The heart of this matchup seems to me to be about a difference in philosophy and application as it pertains to Jedi vs Sith approaches with similar skill-sets. It's very well done.
Well, then I'd have to say you conveyed your intended message well and presented the information at your disposal very effectively.
looks like I'm not gonna sleep tonight
Absolutely loved this versus! It was incredibly entertaining! Thanks!
The Force has smiled upon us.
Thank you, Jen. Been missing your work.
Loved the new intro. Great video in general as well. Loved your work, as I always do. You do good work, Jensaarai.
LOVE the new section introductions. Never stop these versus videos. Theyre amazing.
Ok. Damn. This came out of nowhere. I definitely savored that mini rant about Cannon Luke. As always, thoughts after I fully watch the video.
My computer died on me just a little before, so I lost my critiques...Crap. Time to retype it.
*RKO meme from outta nowhere*
+Brandon Derive No!!! Fortunately, I typed it up and posted it. It just took a while due to the amount of things I had to address.
cgimofo
*Goldberg glares back and returns with a spear and jackhammer combo for Team Chosen One Victory*
Hey Jensaarai, got to say the video was really good. It got me thinking you really hate the new disney canon, have you ever though of making a video titled why I hate the new canon, I feel like that would be hilarious to watch.
Garry Moloney Ultimate Nerd Rage
I think one could honestly make a three hour 3 part trilogy rant as to why each new film is hot garbage. I don’t remember who said it, but I’ll quote him now...
“The OT was a great story told masterfully. The PT was a great story told poorly. The ST was a shit story told poorly.”
@@edithume5175 Well, lets be honest. The Disney canon is bad either way regardless if he hates them or not.
@@anotherbloodyfanwriter1941 Agreed, agreed, and agreed. Whoever said that finally gets it
Why does Disney steal ideas from Legends and turn them into a shittier more boring version of themselves. Jacen Solo to Kylo Ren. Grandmaster Luke to depressed hermit Luke. Dark Empire to First Order. WTF
Legends was a clusterfuck due to the cross-referencing, plot holes, and the occasional retcon.
Yeah. Thats why i only like EU legends before episode one. After episode six everything is a big mess.
Well done, my friend. Good thing you put in Bane's example of Dun Moch; not many videos have that example. I think you might've forgotten his Force Wound ability, as he demonstrated against Qordis, but I'm sure Luke of _Dark Empire_ would've found a way to work around it.
I especially love the way you used the way to categorize each section. Antoine would be proud. ;)
Darth Nihilus and Emperor Valkorion vs Rosh Penin and a classroom of padawans
Rudolph Antler that would be a fun slaughter to watch. they'd probably eventually consume even each other
#notallsithareviolent
I feel bad for Rosh. He wasn't as bad as he's made out
Lol. If jaden was in there then he would be able to take them but he would ultimately lose.
I’d love to see Palpatine, Nihilus, and Valkorion go at each other. 3 absolute titans of the dark side.
Thank god for legends ….. period
Damn straight!!!
Yes
0:17 "A young miner named, Dessel rose from poverty to being an annointed Sith Lord."
That is some SERIOUS income mobility.
@@therake8897 Are you serious?
@@Matthew-Anthony I think he was making a joke.
@@sillwullivan83 His comment is gone. What was he joking about?
Jen keep this art up. I legit can see these doodles getting better and better.
Darth bane made the rule of mountain dew (it)
So in EU chronological order, Darth Bane is the originator of some of the great memes in Star Wars? I don't know if that adds or detracts from him.
Fear The Sith Rule of Dew!
+ShadowJedi Darth Bane should have become the spokesperson of Mountain Dew.
There can be no more then two at any given time, one to embody flavor, the other to crave it.
I prefer sprites.
This video or Galen Marek Vs Lucien Dray would have to be my favorite among your vs work. Love the detail placed on fighting styles in particular.
When putting Luke in Versus it's always kinda obvious he's gonna win :P
Depends on what era you are taking him from. Be it the one from Return of the jedi or when he was Grand master
It's usually at their primes
This is not Luke at his prime, not even close. Nor is it Bane at his prime. There are a number of individuals who could defeat Luke during this era. Grandmaster Luke? I'd say only Vitiate could put up a good match.
Nah. Not even Vitiate. Only Sidious could give GM Luke a fight.
William Henning Vitiate is about in the same league as ol Sheev if not equal
I don't always agree with your conclusions, but I always enjoy the videos. Thank you for posting.
Talks about using the force to empower ones physical attacks while simultaneously showing Robert Downey Jr. as Sherlock Holmes in a fight scene. 😂
I know that I am way late to this party, but these videos are fantastic man
Nice! Also, what's up with the chanting in the opening?
One of the lesser known aspects of the Rule of Two is that Darth Bane decreed all presence or mention of the Sith must be accompanied by ominous chanting in some form or another. It helps to focus the Dark Side.
Lol
huh I don't recall anything about that in the books, thx for letting us know good sir.
Logan Smith I know it’s an old comment, but the chanting is from Halo 5 if memory serves. The soundtrack is called covenant prayers.
HAPPY NEW YEAR !
Do Ulic-qel-Droma vs Anakin Skywalker
One sided in Anakin's favor.
The matchup is more important/cool than who wins.
That's why I would love to see Quinlan Vos and Aayla Secura vs Cade Skywalker and Shado Vao
despite knowing who will win that.
@@generalhorse493 Quinlan can hold his ground for a time but he wouldn't defeat Cade. Similarly Shado should be able to take Aayla
True, but a good matchup is simply about the characters and their abilities plus their similarities.
That's why I chose those four even though it's clear which two would probably win,
especially since I haven't seen them featured yet.
Anakin would win.
33:31 "... Ultimately slaying Ka'sim by literally dropping the house on him.."
That really got me man!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Keep going bro, EXCELLENT VIDS!! 👊👊👊👊👊👊👊👊👊👊👊👊
Amazing work, Connor--definitely one of your best videos to date. Quick questions: what are our chances of seeing Plo vs Jerec? Or Aran Leneer vs Senya Tirell? TCW Maul vs Bultar Swan? Just for kicks, how about Darth Vectivus vs Master Fay?
Evan TCW Maul would slaughter Baltar Swan lol
Evan I don't think we have enough information about Aran Leneer to put her in a versus series, just the Old Republic novel Decived
@Macattack Agreed--I'm not so much concerned with who wins as how Maul wins. I'd love to get him into a great unarmed fight, in addition to a full duel, and Swan seems like a great opponent for that.
Ben Allen true, but Jensaarai also made Warb Null a character, so...
Evan yeh but that was basically entirely speculation. Personally I don't like those types of analysis, as it's basically just Jensaarai's opinion, with no facts to ground it. To be fair Aran Leneer has more that Warb Null has, as she actually has two duels
Been awhile. Good to see you back. Thanks for the new video. I'm glad to see Bane. Finished reading Bane's trilogy.
if luke was able to repel Sid's lightning in ROTJ, who is superior to Bane, then by the time of Dark Empire, Luke surely would be able to defend against Bane's lightning.
From what I remember Luke was about to die from palpatine lightening
@@giovanniciccone1323 he did deflect it for a few seconds.
@@kirillzakharov7336which means he’d do only a little better with bane
@@jakealter5504but that was ROTJ Luke, where dark empire Luke is vastly superior.
@@johnzhou3860 I agree with you there
Loved the video dude. Don't worry about extra graphics, I'll I need is your excellent analyses. Great match-up BTW.
+Jensaarai1 Always glad to see another vid from you. Can we still look forward to seeing Darth Krayt vs. Exar Kun or Palpatine?
JediAcolyte22 I've been waiting for this for foreverrrrrrr
AGREED lets get this going asap
Crosby vs Malkin
Krayt vs Kun would be amazing.
I'd love to see Krayt vs Kun.
every video you make is amazing. please, never stop
Surprised you think DE Luke is only PoD Bane level. I've seen at least one favorable comparison of DE Luke to prime Exar Kun, who is comfortably above DoE Bane let alone Bane near the beginning of his Sith Lord career. Granted even DE Luke gets a bit overwanked. People think he took on DE Palpatine alone, which is decidedly not the case. He would've been mincemeat had he not been amped.
Excellent versus though. Definitely one of your best matchups and puts a fresh spin on two waaaay overrequested/overwanked characters. And dead on with that panning of New Canon Luke... ugh. The NJO storylines weren't always the greatest, but taking GM Luke (as ridiculously powerful as he was) and downgrading him into a disgraced nomad and failure is such a huge bitch slap to the fans raised on EU continuity.
I think it's not fair to draw conclusions about canon Luke until the next two movies drop. Maybe he's playing a longer, deeper game. I will say that I will be greatly disappointed if he did just wuss out and ran away. That being said, I didn't much care for EU Luke's evolution. He was made into a sort of gary stu. I think him being a "force god", as Jensaarai put it, was not compelling at all. He was the Superman of the SW universe, but even DC did a better job of establishing Superman's limitations than Lucasbooks did with Luke Skywalker.
I agree that Luke was pushed into Gary Stu territory and the DBZ-level of power he achieved was more than a little ridiculous. I still bought the evolution of Luke from farm boy to Jedi Grandmaster and thought he earned that status more or less fairly. It's still more satisfying than what Episode VII gave us. We'll see if VIII fixes it but my hopes aren't high.
EU Luke could have posed a challenge to Galgcutus
wristofkings POD Bane is certainly comparable to prime Kun and and Prime Bane is almost certainly superior to Kun. Bane is way more effective with the force and is at least as skilled and kun with a blade though likely more so
Nerds forever No dude galactus no sells hits from casual planet busters...Luke couldnt do shit to Galactus
Great video! I love watching these Versus Series, especially when they feature Luke.
This fight is Mark Hamill vs himself. He voiced Bane in the Clone Wars. It was awesome.
Dylan Lewis yeh but we don't talk about that here lol
Saw some episodes of the clone wars it was so bad, I kept doing other things while the episodes were going on.
At least the character played by Mark Hamill won this VS series
it was stupid, tcw is for losers
I seriously don’t understand why people don’t like TCW, it was objectively amazing, and let’s stop pretending that legends didn’t get ridiculous as well. Oh and I agree with your point by the way.
18:49 wow if these are your art I am beyond impressed. I’d read a full comic illustrated like that
I am still hoping you are making Kaa'sim vs Battlemaster Kao Cen Derach. And I wonder what you think, do you think that Bane would have survived the duel on Tython without his Oblisk armor?
Mace, while this is true, i wont dispute that, I would like to point out that on Tython, Bane was aware of the advantages offered by the orbalisk armor and molded his lightsaber style around basically being an untouchable juggernaut.
in Dynasty, he was aware he wasn't lightsaber impervious and so had retooled his style.
Meaning that, if he hadn't had the armor, his fighting style would have been very different than what we actually see in the novel
+Matthew White It's been a while since I've read the books, but I think he wasn't anticipating having his Force Lightning redirected back in his face like it was. He unleashed a MASSIVE torrent of very powerful Lightning at his foe, which was redirected and ended up striking him. If he'd not been wearing the armor, it's more likely than not that he would have died right then and there.
@@sergeantassassin3425 dude the only reason he almost died in the novel was because of the orbelisks dying from his lightning and releasing their toxin into bane, I have never seen any versus battle with him on youtube where he isn't either wanked to Oblivion or severely downplayed
@@momo1177 Yes, but keep in mind: the torrent of lightning he unleashed was absolutely devastating. Had he not been wearing the armor to begin with, it's very likely he would have died from it instead of nearly dying from the Orbalisk toxin. The lightning instantly killed the Jedi who had thrown up the protection bubble to begin with, and immediately knocked Bane unconscious, grievously wounding him despite his Orbalisk armor, and killed every last Orbalisk that was on his body.
@@sergeantassassin3425 yes you're right but do keep in mind that that jedi master was already dying so the lightning might have just finished him off and the orbelisks are weak to lightning so they couldn't have absorbed that much force. Also Banes helmet was metallic and metall conducts electrecity, which lends credence to him probably surviving the attack if it hadn't been for the orbelisks (though it would have probably knocked him out cold either way)
Jensaarai1, Another verdict that I completely agree on. You somehow manage to pave a path for these hypothetical fights that is both exciting and interesting to watch. Keep on making these awesome videos!
8:10 So luke was LITERALLY average height, but with some farmer strength and the force... he became DJEM SO master!😲🗡💪🏼
Jensaarai, I have to admit, the music is top notch, your analysis of both fighters is really thorough and worth using for reference, and you analyzed both fighters at periods in their career where they were most developed, though not at the expense of practical information, good job, my questions are this;
1)why do you think Grandmaster Luke is OP?
2) what is your favourite version of luke, OT luke, DE luke , or GM Luke? my personal favourite is OT luke mainly because of his development
4:20 so true gm Luke is moreover powerful than Yoda himself.
Hell Dark Empire Luke was more than a match for Sidious.
@@iceomistar4302 He wasn’t, not without others help. Luke only outclasses Sidious when he reaches his level attained as a Grandmaster.
Tbh this was very interesting and had no idea who would win. Cool video Jensaarai
After seeing The Last Jedi, I concretely agree with your statement at 4:12-4:35. The backstory behind Ben Solo's failure is an insult to how Luke handled Kyp Durron, and his struggles with the Darkside. Most of the scenes between Luke and Ray were reused from Vima Sunrider's apprenticeship under Ulic Qel-Droma, blended with Metra Surik's detachment from the Jedi and the Force tempered with Kreia's philosophies.
While I do agree with some topics and scenes inThe Last Jedi, Luke's story and actions were an insult to the character. However, on the flip side I cannot think of a better way for Luke's death than in The Last Jedi: using his powers to provide a final aid to his allies and family, accomplishing a feat like a mass Force-illusion towards tens of thousands of people from an entire planet away before releasing himself into the Force.
You are completely accurate in your description of comparing Legends Luke to Cannon Luke.
I would love to see the story style narration of the final battle in your vs vids. This battle in particular.
Didn't Bane overcome his weakness against Jar-kai? He trained with kasim, defeated kasim, trained zannah in a form of it, and faced it's best practitioner and orbalisks aside, wasn't particularly overwhelmed by it, though I agree without it, she would've won
In all likelihood yes. The issue is that we don't have any demonstrations to draw from that conclusively prove it. The Tython duel isn't really relevant given that Bane's technique at that time was based around the invulnerability that the orbalisks provided him. Without it his style would have been entirely different by the time him and Lsu faced one another.
Love your videos bro. Love the information.
Thank you,Jensaari, the Disney universe has destroyed the very icon I idolized as a child. Luke would have never backed down from the the bullshit that Kylo whine did. Plus, the Jedi academy should have been founded more readily and the members more hardened by the Jedi master's ability and knowledge rather than running away. Luke could take anything the galaxy could dish out and keep getting back up.
If you don't like the Disney version, then don't give Disney a single cent. Whining and complaining about how the characters in the JJ Abrams films are not the same as they are in Legends while spending your hard-earned money on them and the related merchandise is not going to solve whatever problem you have with the Star Wars Canon.
Frank G I know this an old comment but no worries my good man. I have not seen a Star Wars movie of Disney’s production since rogue one.
Nice halo music you played in the background
Can you do a video with kenobi fighting either Exar kun or Galen merick
No Jensarrai1 but to make this short, Kun kicks Kenobi's ass but Kenobi beats Galen (depends how accurate PROXY"s Kenobi's module really is).
+VeyronSSNinja Kenobi's passive tk def is weak, but Galen cant even penetrate the tk barriers of low level force adepts. But then again, lightning+hes chucking everything at you rapid fire.
Exar > Kenobi > Galen.
TheNuisanceBird Exar Kun>Marek>Kenobi IMO
Kenobi should be able to beat Marek. He's a better swordsman and could certainly outlast or undermine Galen. Marek's force powers also aren't likely to amount to much. Lightning would be absorbed by Kenobi's lightsaber, direct force pushes can be blocked, thrown objects can be avoided or destroyed. On top of that Kenobi can take a large amount of physical punishment so he isn't going to be battered into submission.
Proxy's training module (limited in some ways as it is) helps Galen contend but it's not enough to give him the victory.
Luke Skywalker FTW! You NEED to do Mara Jade at some point! Mara Jade vs. Darth Zannah perhaps? Githany, Bastila Shan, or Satele Shan would be sweet ass options too!
Shaak ti vs ROTS Anakin.
Yes!
No!
Ki Adi Sandwich Shaak Ti would win. There is nothing Anakin has in his array of abilities that she could not at least deal with. On the other hand Shaak Ti is a master of lighsaber combat with a unique hybrid form that allows her to eliminate all weaknesses of her chosen styles and reap all the benefits. Her powerful knowledge in the force is also a deadly asset in her arsenal.
Ki Adi Sandwich Shaak Ti would slay Anakin.
Neon leaf Shaak Ti all the way
Loved this video! Best analysis yet...nice work
the worst possible insult to the character of Luke is episode 8.
Great video! You should do a matchup of Exar Kun vs ROTS Obi-Wan Kenobi. I've never seen either lose a versus match and one of them needs a loss!!!
Do you think your next vs video can be Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Malgus? I feel that Anakin takes it because he goes in to a fight on the offence, but unless you piss him off prior you get a very deadly and a calm deadly Anakin Skywalker, Malgus falls victim of going too crazy with his lightsaber moves when he gets heated and develops a sense of tunnel vision because of this, I personally feel this is why a level headed fighter like Obi Wan Kenobi or the afore mentioned Anakin Skywalker(he is usually level headed but he won't be unless you piss him off)would beat Malgus in an out and out fight to the death, though I am a BIG Anakin Skywalker fanboy so I will concede to bias. However this is Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Malgus.
Physicality = Anakin, Malgus is about 60 by the sacking of the Jedi temple and has a respirator which Anakin can easily exploit, they have comparable strength but Anakin is faster, they both have very high pain thresh holds as well so that is moot.
Use of the force = Equals, Anakin has more raw power yes and their variety with their power is comparable. Malgus is a very well rounded force user, male storm, push, pull, choke, lightning, saber throw, cheating death and I wouldn't put it past him that he can use basic mind tricks and all that, Anakin has comparable variety in his powers having all of that minus male storm and lightning, but he makes up for it with force scream, being able to override the will of the force itself, he could subdue both entities of the light AND dark sides of the force and he's able to move really heavy objects with ease(using this to also rag doll certain individuals namely Assaj Ventress and Barris Offee)like the separatist dreadnought in the comics he was able to redirect with no issue so they're equals in my eyes.
Duelling skills = Anakin, I feel that his showings are more impressive than Malgus as a pure lightsaber duelist as he bested THE master of makashi for his time in Count Dooku, his mentors hold him as only below Yoda and Mace Windu, he was duelling said makashi master as a fucking padawan and held out for longer than his master, bested the infamous Assaj Ventress as a bloody padawan although she was talented with killing Jedi masters and held her own against Mace bloody Windu and he was credited as being a natural warrior. Malgus isn't particularly bad but I feel his kills come from outlasting his adversaries or having them piss him off just before he engaged them increasing his strength, Satele and Cao Sen Darach = Vindican and Darach dying(the former gave Malgus a power boost as he wanted vengeance for his master), Satele Shan = Malgus won the fight, but he didn't kill her and he only won the duel when he used his force abilities on her when she was off guard and his most famous kill Ven Sallow = he did kill the Jedi, but moments prior he did witness his wife get harmed which fuelled his passion to kill the Jedi that did the deed and nearly killed both of them as Sallow almost stabbed him near the end of their duel so Malgus's victories in said duels is considerable, but for the reasons I have given his skills as a duelist have been largely over-exaggerated I feel.
Weaponry = Anakin, though this doesn't really matter all too much tbh but the extra blades on Malgus's lightsaber are cool looking but have no real purpose in battle, Anakin's weapon of choice is standard but because he has given it a different option for length of the blade, it could be helpful in pushing Malgus back.
The verdict:
Let's say this is more comparable to Malgus's duel with Sallow, but with Anakin in place of Sallow, I feel it would start with Malgus on the attack but Anakin would be able to hold off his assault and when Malgus attempts to kick Anakin in the face, Anakin grabs his foot with his right hand pushing him back into a pillar with the force, Malgus would be staggered momentarily as the 2 engage in a blade lock with Anakin on the offensive, Malgus would try taunting Anakin however this effort would backfire as Anakin broke off the lock and sent him flying backwards into a whole group of Sith with him in the temple and he was met with a huge pillar coming his way. This kills his whole group but not him as he evaded the pillar and immediately got back up to engage Skywalker, but the duel would swiftly end while they are charging one another as Malgus would have his blade above his head, but Anakin would be running low with his blue blade at his side while sliding underneath Malgus and splitting him in half, vertically.
And thus, I declare Anakin Skywalker, the chosen one of the force the victor.
I dunno, I think Malgus takes this one 6/10. Sure he's slower and his bloodthirsty nature sometimes hinders him, but between his augmented cybernetic strength and terrifying power blows I don't see Anakin easily blitzing him. Plus Malgus never gets tired, is a more cunning fighter, has an arguably superior defense, has a much more varied arsenal of Force powers and is more willing to use them than Anakin.
On top of that Anakin may have taken on some fairly impressive opponents but his record is somewhat inconsistent and circumstantial at best, and on any given day he is much more used to fighting droids, bounty hunters and the like during the Clone Wars era. Get him in the zone like he was against Dooku and Malgus is fucked, but even his win against Dooku must be tempered by the fact that the old man was already depleted from fighting both Ani and Obi Wan prior to that.
Meanwhile, Malgus has literally been at war for something like 30-40 years against other Force wielders and has taken on the best of them with overall strong results. He beat an exhausted Kao Cen Darach while still a Sith apprentice, outclassed Satele Shan in both their bouts before outside interference, and killed Ven Zallow fair and square, along with a slew of other Jedi and (presumably) Sith. It's a very close match, but Malgus should take slim majority.
Like I said, I feel Malgus's duels are usually in his favour circumstantially before they even begin as almost every duel he's been in his strength was amplified due to someone hurting someone close to him and the only time that didn't happen, he got hurt himself and sure he bested Shan when she was an apprentice and Jedi knight, but he has extreme tunnel vision in both fights, the one on Alderaan being most obvious example where he cannot hear that one trooper rushing towards him like a madman so his tunnel vision is a major hinderance in his duelling style. By contrast, Anakin was more well versed in defensive manoeuvres as well as a brilliant offence as his whole style revolves around that very concept, attack defend attack and using his superior acrobatics which I mean were VASTLY superior, he can easily out manoeuvre Malgus and either hit him with a force attack or engage in lightsaber combat with him.
In my verdict, I made it clear that Anakin here is basically the Anakin that bested Dooku mindset wise so Malgus is screwed and when I said get through and exploit his respirator, notice how Anakin's style is strength but elegance at the same time? I simply feel Malgus wouldn't be able to defend due to his style being like a bar brawler squaring up to a trained fencer, sure he's threatening with his brute strength and clear experience advantage but his mindset is all over the place in a fight so that strength is often hindered whereas Anakin is tempered and more controlled than Malgus, the ROTS novella notes that Anakin out-fenced the best fencer of his era given what I've said about Anakin's state of mind being more akin to his bout with Dooku than say Obi Wan, Anakin should take it 7/10 I feel.
You make a fair point when it comes to Anakin's acrobatic prowess, but virtually all of Malgus' ranked Jedi opponents were speedy Ataru users (Darach's a Niman user but I see a lot of Form IV in there) and he still beat them down or tricked them into exposing an opening. The only speed fencer that consistently matched him as a duelist was Aryn Laneer, and she still lost when Malgus started leveraging his superior Force abilities. Which he could easily do against Anakin.
I don't see the respirator nor the tunnel vision as huge deficits in a one on one duel, though it would depend on the environment. In someplace like the Jedi Temple there's not a whole lot of hazards Ani would be able to use against him. As for the respirator, Malgus is certainly not anywhere near as vulnerable as Vader and can still function without the respirator up to a point. My understanding is that it's more a treatment option than a life support device. He also has about 90% or more of Vader's defense (his main weak point being the head, everything else is very well protected).
As for the brawler vs fencer analogy.... I've argued the case before that Malgus (on a good day) is more than fair competition for Dooku, but that's neither here nor there. Fencers care about technique and precision, to the expense of practicality (I realize Dooku's kind of a poor example to cite considering he always focused on not being enslaved to form). An experienced brawler on the other hand goes with what gets results, and Malgus is *very, very* experienced.
I'd put Malgus just barely ahead in this one--I place a lot of stock into how physicality and martial ability hybridize, and Malgus does a GREAT job at this--he's all about flow and chaining EVERYTHING together the second he gets an advantage. Against someone like Satele or Zallow, who don't get quite as swallowed into the move-by-move cadence of the fight, this works against him, but Anakin is all about focusing on the here and now in his fights. He could step back if he wants to, but against an opponent this tough his instinct would almost definitely be to lean in and keep pummeling. But when Malgus inevitably puts him on the retreat for a moment, this same fact would allow Malgus to keep on pushing for longer than Anakin can fully deal with, and because he doesn't look around to escape or environment to get out of Malgus' way, he essentially gets pummeled by the bigger and far stronger Sith.
I believe Anakin takes it in a good fight as well.
The Sith's Sith'ari vs the Jedi's Chosen One. Very poetic
I feel I have to say this. The new cannon about making a crystal bleed to make it red is utter bullshit - its far better to keep it as a synthetic because it shows talent in creating it, and there are ideological considerations regarding its performance with cutting rather than handling being emphasised, and the creation of something by the individual that could stand against natural crystals used by Jedi. Fuck Disney for changing things.
Feenix The whole thing about the color that a lightsaber takes was something that was being set up by Lucas in TCW.
Yeah, Im on about the thing in the Vader comic though, when Palpatine is telling him about why the sith blade is red.
+Psychonis Really? That's strange, because it got introduced in 2016.
Hearing the term " bleed a crystal" sounds even worse when spoken...
Yeah, the padawan episodes in TCW established that Kyber Crystals are clear when a Jedi first gets them and then takes on a color afterwards.
Only a Sith Lord could throw as much shade as Jensaarai1.
I think Emperor Viscuit is an extremely difficult character to use. He is one of the sith that has empowered themselves to such tremendous extends that they can't really handle their own power. Another that falls into this category is Nihlus who has it to an even greater extent. Vishuit's powers differ greatly depending on time and location as he tires extremely fast and is constantly absorbing power and energy.
Vischuit is more of a conduit for the powerful force energy of his empire than a powerful force individual.
You mean Vitiate...
Nihlus is hard because if his drain works he wins but if it doesn’t he loses in a matter of moments
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Great audio! Awesome video as usual!
The new EU continuity makes it seem as if order 66 killed all but 6 Jedi and I don't like that, I trashes the abilities of the Jedi. Now I am a Sith sympathizer but how can the sith be strong if all they had to do was get the soldiers to gun down the Jedi.
You mean the new Canon, right? People usually refer to the Legends Continuity as the EU or old Canon.
well I meant the old EU but the new canon can still be classed as EU
Taylor Fridge, I do think all the Jedi should be gone by the time of A New Hope
SolarDragon007 not all but most if Obi-Wan and Yoda were the last ones then the Jedi truly lost their way. I just think that they severely dumbed down the Jedi power.
Taylor Fridge, I meant excluding Obi-Wan and Yoda.
Another great vid, happy you disregard anything brought out by Disney
Make it DoE Bane and Luke would still stomp.
Kylo Ren would stomp Luke, Bane, Yoda and Plagueis combined.
I... legitimately have no idea why that bad attempt at a joke is relevant, but... OK.
Wulf MidKnight depends on which Luke
The Tactical Shark.......i felt a great disturbance inside my head. As though millions of brain cells cried out in terror before being silenced.......
DE luke beats any version of bane if it's GM luke luke potentially one shots bane
Plo Kuun Vs. Luke Skywalker sounds like a good match up.
Kinda a unfair match up, Luke is from the age where Jedi Power are off the charts and they made shit up as they went along, while Bane is from a more structured time where having over powered characters is kinda lame, kinda like putting old school Superman who could sneeze away a galaxy against Thor from the Avernger's movie. Old school comics made all thier characters OP as fuck, though this was a fun video.
21:46 you and me both, man. I think Luke is awesome as well due to his "instantaneous learning in battle".
STOP TRASHING CANON LUKE. WE BARELY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED
Jander833 hey compared w EU Canon Luke sucks so far I mean Disney being a power house it is let ball drop w story it's all a pale knock off of the EU w little to no creativity
Jander833 Basically New SW Cannon is Darth Vader a mere Shadow of what it was
learn how to spell dumbass
+TreeckotheRebel could you please point the mistake out?
talking to John
Oh wow. I'm starting to run out of fingers for how many times I've been caught completely by surprise at the versus video releases. Hm, I'm gonna quickly place my bet on Bane...but I can see this going both ways.
+Lenny Slayer of Goldfish Overlord of Trail-Mix Hi! Good to see you again! And ikr. Some of these matches don't really surprise me (Kenobi vs Kao) but this one really surprised me.
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Yeah. Though I will say it's not nearly as surprising when GreyJedi91 graces UA-cam with his presence.
+Lenny Slayer of Goldfish Overlord of Trail-Mix Oh yeah. Whenever a matchup shows up with him, I'm usually thrown off.
Am so glad this was Luke vs Bane rather than Jake vs Bane.
Would you do a character analysis on kriea traya
I would very much like to see Exar Kun vs. Darth Krayt, Qui Gon Jinn vs Ulic Qel Droma, Darth Maul(TPM) vs Darth Maul(TCW), and Kao Cen Darach vs Kas'im.
Lord Hoth vs Obi Wan Kenobi please
Lord hoth hasnt got any feats to show he can contend with obi wan with a lightsaber or the force
Hoth is not a viable versus series combatant. He's too much of an unknown.
Good video keep up the great work can't wait for the next one
yay!! love your vs series!!
Loved the video, but I have a suggestion. The video is rather hard to find using the search engine.
I searched Darth Bane Vs. Luke Skywalker and it still didn't come up for me. Perhaps it's because it's new? Whatever the case, I want the video to get more exposure. I think this is one of your best videos yet, and it deserves to be recognized as such.
I liked both of these characters so I'm satisfied with the result. Also, what's the name of the music playing around 1:38? I hear it in your videos a lot. It sounds GoT-ish even though I know it isn't.
Halo 5 Covenant Prayers
Sorry for being late Fam. Years later comments are crazy.
Seeing this video uploaded felt like an event
I went into this thinking, "Luke should win but Jensaarai1 will give it to Darth Bane. Bring it anyway!" Awesome
Great match-up, can't wait for the verdict
This is like the closing argument in court. A little long though.
It seems you hold Bane higher than Evan does as a duellist, saying that POD Bane is about equal to Shaak Ti, whereas Evan stated that Bane in his prime was (somehow) equal to Shaak Ti as a duellist. Gotta say I agree with you on this one Jen :)
The transitional music for the categories reminds me of Temple of Doom.
Noice. But one complainant: You said that Luke can deflect turbolaser fire with his force shield, however, the panel in question makes specific note of his lightsaber abilities implying that it was rather a blast deflection. To confirm this, if I remember correctly, the audiodrama gave the lightsaber deflect noise on that part showing that it was meant to be understood as blast deflection. I know he appeared to use a barrier, but I always assumed that was simply part of the surreal art style.
Just checked, in the audio Han even commented something like "I can't believe it! He used his lightsaber to deflect the AATAT blasterfire right back at it!" So yeah.
Nice Halo music during the Death Star scene
great video. hope jensaari1 will go a video with dark empire palpatine vs old republic valkorion
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