The red pill doesn’t need a leader because it’s not a movement. It’s also not a “How-To manual”. It’s like math, people use it and apply it within their own context.
Ppl take it too far. All the RP is was someone who dared look behind the curtain and see the truth. That's literally it. And they dared expose the truth. No gurus no popes no nothing. It's like if u discover gravity, Isaac Newton wasn't a "cult leader" or a gravity guru! He simply made a discovery of something that is a fact.
@@devincognito8932 I'm tired of that argument, the red pill and feminism couldn't be further apart and no they're not two sides of the same coin either.
Agreed. A How-To manual is no good unless you put it to use. Every man is different and not everything works with different men. My opinion of Red Pill is the understanding of the relationship dynamics between men and women and putting it into practice. I see MGTOW as the same but instead of putting it into practice, they decide not to, as they don't want the relationship. And MRA is men trying to change unequal, biased and unfair LAWS to be equal with women.
Disagree. It certainly speeds up the process, but if I see everyone gets hurt when they touch the stove then I know not to touch the stove. You could argue that I would never understand 100% of the red-pill if I haven't lived through it, but 99% is just as effective right?
I don't think he actually is emotional, he is just a salesman selling his product. The good thing is that Rolo knows that he want's nothing to do with the RP application.
The problem with engaging with an emotional guy in a debate is you have to let him have the upper hand in tonality in order for him to feel like he's qualified to talk about this subject, if you raise your voice like him he's going to go to another level of yelling trying to beat you at his game. There is no winning.
There is no winning? He wants to win, let him "win." It's just emotional talk. Rhetoric feels good but then reality hits. The same with feminists when they hit the wall. It doesn't change the fact that men will continue to be chewed up and spit out repeatedly until they understand the truth about female nature (the red pill).
look at the careful, manipulative way you just worded that comment… Some of y’all red pill mfs use the word emotional as an insult, every time somebody dares to say what you don’t like/want to hear.. It’s almost like a shaming tactic
🙏🏾Thank you for saying it, so I didn’t have to. Needs some communication training. Everything is bam, bam, bam. Some Wing Chun chi sau would help. How to be hard& soft
So the consumer is stupid? Android/PC person here. Us stupid red pill consumers are quite fine with receiving the information in multiple ways. Every redpill content creator has something to offer, whether hard data, or a creative story. I am just happy i found this content, full stop.
The apple analogy was a horrible example considering that Android has over 70% of the global market share today, and in 2009 Android only had 5% of the market share. Additionally, Apple in many parts of the world is viewed as a status symbol, has nothing to do with user experience.
If you have a faucet, you do not need to know the details about the system of pipes, the water heater, and the water company that supplies that water to it. You just know to know that occasionally you might need to fix it, and technicians can help with that. In this context, he has a point. There are people who prefer streamlined, and prefer who prefer to customize.
@@Adanu191 The people who do not know how things work usually are the people that others take advantage of. Using your example, a person who only knows how to drive a car could end up paying for an engine preplacement when all they needed was new brake pads. But I do agree, the world needs both type of people ;)
Its very feminine to create a movement for the sake of building a movement. I don't know who the guy on the left is, but he seems very emotionally invested in the red pill as a movement, instead of seeing it as a truth, no more no less
The comparison made by Sinner was lame. How is evolutionary psychology ever going to be simple? That's what the red pill is. And more. Rollo is right. It is impossible to make it into little wisdom nuggets just like it was impossible to make Neo understand reality at first. It took him a deep dive into everything for him to come to terms. That's why Rollo is so frustrated. People are lethargic when it comes to learning what he is saying.
The hilarious part is most people do not need the evo psych to out it to use. The RP isn't all of that data. FRESHANDFIT IS THAT. HIS CHANNEL IS THAT. TATE WAS THAT. RELIGION DOES THAT. He acts the the RP is an ideology in which things are only done one way when Rollo specified at its purest and most factual is a college course. Most people do not use facts or need facts, and the RP space mostly doesn't go into the college course besides Rollo and the Rule Zero guys.
The black guy is right. If you want to make it a business you have to make it simple. Big, strong, rich and powerful = good sex with hot women. Otherwise you can retreat into porn. So, here you have it. That's how the world works. Weak men are prey and will be exploited. All you need to understand. But this ain't no business. Nobody who does not already know that wants to hear about. To make money out of it is the genius part.
He basically said "it's too difficult for me. I don't have the time to figure it out. Talk to me like I'm dumb so I can say you're wrong cause I don't want to hear the evidence to those facts. Let me default to emotional thinking"
A nerd has knowledge it’s up to him whether or not he exercises that knowledge and applies it to his life. Red pill is solely about awareness, the type of awareness society doesn’t have. Once the awareness has been offered it’s up to him to adjust accordingly.
Rollo bridges simple to complex instead of leaving all viewers in the simplistic mindset, you're a hero Rollo. If you'll talk to a child only a child way he'll stay child forever.
Insanity. Although I’m lonelier (it’s amazing) I’ve never felt better. Everything is cut and clear. I’d rather a cold truth than a warm lie:. These guys saved my life.
8:21 He lost me at "I think many of them are doing the right things but are not getting the correct outcome because..." FACTUALLY INCORRECT. Sugar coating lies to get followers. When you start telling lies, the road leads to darkness.
The problem with this guy (The saint and the sinner) is the route of his business, he wants you to be part of his tribe, which I dont think is a bad thing, but the problem with leaders througth out history is that it becomes tyrannical to certain degrees (I mean, Im not saying he will make you kill people or steal) redpill is better in terms of, take the information you have and use it to your advantages that's it, you dont need to follow nobody, otherwise you will end up like soldiers from Ukraine or Rusia who are killing people they dont even know, just because they are following a tyrannical leader who doesn't care about you either.
As someone who grew up as a shy nerd and now spins plates, i am glad i read Rollo, Roosh and Roissys work. I want to see whats behind the curtain. I want to understand the nuts and bolts of the machine. I currently have 2 girlfriends and have other girls in my orbit lol Thank you for your work Rollo.
Great conversation , agree with both of them ...Red Pill is very important knowledge but until society changes as a whole things will remain difficult for the most men and even most women down the road once there actions catch up with them .....A lot of people i know that didn't buy into that crap and got married and settled down in there 20s are still married now and happy with kids and the ones i know who just messed around are not doing so great now ..they might have married and had kids in there 30s but it ended in divorce becasue they go married for the wrong reasons plus older women have higher counts so it hard to stay committed where the young couples that got married often all they know is themself so its less tempting to think they can do better and act terrible ..
I used to believe women were like my mother and sister. Peaceful, reasonable, innocent, only dated with the purpose of getting married, friendly, knew how to be polite, to the guys they weren't interested in, feminine, clean, loyal, kind, disciplined, liked to read, sweet angels that could do no wrong. The Red Pill showed me the foolishness of this way of thinking ☹️ I know, now, I'm a: pleaser. Even though I don't date women and I have no interest in it, I'm always curious about it. I understand, that be red pill, you have to date and get burned in the process. But given the current dating market and how the law treats men, in Western countries, I will pass. For comparison, to know how war is, understand what being shot at means, what having PTSD is, you have to be there. But, who in their right mind, wants to go to a war ? Ideally for me, dating should be something fun, expressing your love for someone you desire and possibly marry and have kids. The reality is: relationships are transactional. If a woman doesn't see value in you, than you don't even get to the starting line and they can be very cruel. From the start, when you meet her on the first time, to the day, you are divorcing her and she takes, the house, the kids, alimony etc. Not to mention, if someone asks her, how was the relationship with you, she will mostly likely tell: you were toxic and abusive ☹️ A lot of married/divorced guys, say on the comments sections: "Don't do it." It's said that a wise person learns from his mistakes. A wiser one learns from others' mistakes. Thank you to everyone that is part of this space, that includes Rollo Tomassi. I now understand, how much more happier, I'm without women.
Don't give up man. Take into account that there ARE women like your mother and sister in terms of values and behaviour. What we're seeing on the Internet is the bad side of women, but you don't have to only experience it. In a good relationship you get some of the bad stuff, but also plenty of wonderful moments. The main factor will be who YOU are, as women are the reflections of their men's virtues. Most bad behaviour on their side comes from men being pathetic losers, or at least behaving like one. Be their hero, not a simp and they'll have actual love for you. You cannot lose that heroic frame though, remember.
I am with Rolo on this one, he gives the facts . . . if you want to take advantage of it you can find a lot of content on the tube on the application side of things. However the foundation needs to be understood before one can build what they want on top of it. The application will be deferent for everyone else, what may work for one person my not work for another. As long as the foundation is understood both will find what works best as look as they keep up with application and trying to derive what works best for them.
The saint lost the narrative at we should be teaching women they don’t have long before they bear children, feminism will NEVER let that be taught, so forget that pipe dream, as far as Rollo I didn’t go to college and I understand him very well , and he explains in simple terms , so he is a Steve Jobs on hypergamous knowledge as far as I’m personally concerned
Apple is best known for MARKETING if you aren't a bot. Steve Jobs saved Apple by making the Apple computer colorful with the iMac. He was one of the first ranchers, before we knew how many sheep there were in the world.
I definitely started getting more girls since I started thinking this way did the relationships last not really but It taught me more or less how to not fall apart and move on to the next when stuff doesn't work out
Nerds also have self-reflection and self-awareness, and are able to detect where their beliefs don't match reality. Dumbing down knowledge into memes can be done easily but it doesn't save individuals from doing the job no matter how smart we're. Yes, they may misinterpret the RP, and so what? This phenomenon has been the core of our evolution as humans, and the source of philosophical and religious thought. I'd say that The Saint & the Sinner (S&S), with pedantic self-assuredness gives the impression of sitting at the top of the Ivory Tower criticizing nerds by stating that they aren't able to see what's true or not, and blames RP philosophers for not being able to produce memetic content to feed the fools (the nerds) because he's above them. S&S didn't add anything as food for thought; his rhetoric (BS) is not even interesting.
The issue with simplifying the red pill now is that we don´t have the full understanding yet. We haven´t solved all the problems, so we cannot simplify the solutions because we don´t have them all yet. We´re still figuring shit out.
A porcupine doesn’t necessarily need to shoot its spikes. Have you ever seen a leopard, or lion that made the mistake of attacking a porcupine? Often, it’s life ending.
My red pill awareness comes from personal experiences with women ,it only took getting finessed and played by ONE to wake me up from that blue pill b.s I was living for most of my life
Nerds are needed in every field. Without computer science nerds, Apple wouldn't be where it is today. Not everyone seeks to be a mainstream leader. Understanding important truths isn't always difficult (like the red pill); some people just avoid them out of laziness or because it challenges their worldview. Also, people invest thousands in courses, but still struggle to show results no matter how you distill the information.
Paraphrase: She’ll play with you if she wants to stay with you -Saint and Sinner speaking on women that play games Semantic, emotionalism, riveting, compelling, cadence of a leader are his tools of choice I used to watch S&S and concluded that the guy is a chameleon, he’d do hit pieces on F&F if it meant he’d make a come up Despite my reservations about KS, S&S make hit piece video about KS in an attempt to discredit him. There’s 2 types of people that read 48 laws of power, The prince, Art of war, etc: 1. Individuals that want to know how to identify and figuratively defend themselves from the tactics, antics and strategies of the aggressors the books reference 2. People that seek to learn how to emulate/become/maneuver like the aggressors in said books S&S is the latter
The only thing I care about in RP is the understanding of female psychology and inter-sex dynamics that it provides. Decades of apparent (emphasis on apparent) contradictions between - what I learned and what I saw around me - what a woman says and what she does - what a woman says in one moment and what she says in another - what a woman does in one moment and what she does in another - how a woman acts with one man and how she acts with another - the results a man gets acting a certain way vs the opposite way etc etc etc As a very logical person, it's been years of intellectual dread trying to find the underlying logic, the explanation, the connecting thread in all those seemingly random things. Reading The Rational Male was eye opening. I could relate every single personality trait, example and dynamic with events of my life, and all of a sudden I was able to make sense of everything. I unlocked the underlying logic previously invisible to me. Quite literally like taking the red pill and becoming able to see the matrix and its inner-workings from the outside. I do not know if the RP, or evolutionary psychology, or praxeology, call it whatever you want, is the right theory of human psychology. What I know is that it has been the only one so far that connected all the dots and was able not only to explain with 100% accuracy everything I lived through, but also has shown very effective when tested in any environment in the present. So it gave me peace of mind. The world finally makes sense. When it comes to outcome, this dude is probably right. Theory and practice are very different things.
I saw straight through this guy, pretty sure Rollo does too. So I can’t for the life of me understand why would Rollo entertain a debate with him. He think because he speaks well, he can speak to Rollo. That ain’t how it works. I get that Rollo is all about challenging ideas but challenging this dudes idea doesn’t benefit Rollo as us one bit. It only allows him to tighten up his Schtick,whatever it is.
Well i would like a small RedPill hand book 50-100 pages that have all the bullet points, what to improve, focus, avoid and act with many practical examples "wrong way to handle and right way" After this it more interesting to deepdive bigger books later and not be confusing by every detail of everything. 😎
This dude wants to appear smarter than he actually is. He pretends to disagree with Rollo while actually he shares the same viewpoint. The Redpill is just the awareness that men need to avoid making silly mistakes. Knowledge is already a weapon. We don't need more.
i read the first three of rollos books and i did find it very hard to understand both beacuse i felt it was written in an acedemic way i wasnt smart enough to follow and also cos thrse concepts were so new and alien to me as a blue pill man. however, in wanting to understand them i dug deeper and went to other channels and discussed it with friends and this process benefitted me more than if rollo had of dumbed it down. i dont believe u can have someone present new ideas that will become new beliefs and change how you are as a person and have them do it in a dumbed down way cos there will be so many questions.
Bro the red pill is absolutely not useless at all. It'll make you a lot of money (by helping you not throw money away chasing women that aren't worth a penny). It'll also help you keep any girl you want to keep around actaully around if you so please to bother yourself. It'll also save you trauma and state related bs. Redpill is worth a million times its weight in gold.
marriage benefits women more than men, sure, but children benefit the most from a stable long lasting marriage, that's why its so important for society. We are unfortunately at a point where the benefits that a man gets are so low, that it doesn't make sense to look for someone to marry.
Theoretical knowledge(i.e. the kind Rollo explains) cannot replace practical experience. Rollo's books come in handy when reflecting on experience. That is when you gain insight. However I have come to the conclusion alot of male social problems are bio/physical and neurological. ie. you are not going to get anywhere by "trying harder". The solution is health protocols: mitochondrial, microbiome, neurological enhancement, hormonal. Theoretical knowledge and "trying harder" will not solve these problems.
Rollo mate you don't need me to tell you but here's the receipt: the book has helped me! I'm building up my mind soul life and pocket since being zeroed ;)
anyone who works out, knows that ab crunchers are a waist of time. Real core exercises trump them every time. You cant just say do ab crunches and you wont be fat. It doesn't work like that.. Its a little too simple. One cant just fall in love with tuck shop arms, one must fall in love and watch them grow.
It’s not incentivizing men to be better but incentivizing women to give average men a chance in their prime age of attraction and that won’t happen because women don’t settle when they “FEEL” they can do better.
When I Speak To Someone Who Is Vastly Below My Intelligence Level, & I Perceive That I'm Losing Them Conversationally, I Simply Begin To Speak In Parables As It Pertains To The Subject Matter. Parables Are Good Enough For Jesus, Then They Are Good Enough For Raymond Karl.
Rollo let him run on with his non-sequitors till he was done then reset the pace every time. Bullshit can only go so far till it hits the wall, you see the same in women once they get to a certain age.
Since when is RP synonymous with loser? Sensible is more like it. Most RP’d dudes I know are successful in every metric that matters (sex, money, fitness).
I do understand that red pill speakers should talk a bit more to the average man. For instance, nobody from Rollo, to Fresh and fit, joker, none of them explain how a man loses his house in divorce. Not one of them ever said you lose the house by the court using a quick claim deed. Signed by the judge. They never say a man loses his 401k by a court order call QDRO. Explain the simple stuff first. Men might comprehend the risks more.
well… as I see it, insight (as immediate experience, one may add) is never ‘useless’ - even if, or even though, it may in some cases not lend itself to short-term exploitation easily. maybe seeing value in acquiring knowledge (or arts, in wider sense) per se exposes me as an intellectual, culturally. fine, so be it. on the other hand, of how much use is it to work oneself off to become ripped (physically as well as reseource-wise) PRIMARILY in order to impress xx.s who would with high probability come to die-vorce the bearer of latter treats further down trajectory in time !?!
He's got that Preachy, Televangelist, scammy, buy-private-jets-with-church-money, type of charisma.
Ah that Creflo Dollar, T.D. Jakes type energy 🤣
Agreed
😂😂😂
Yeah he's such a confident and qualified leader, just ask him! 😊smh
good description. he's like these "pastors" in Africa
I fully believe that The Red Pill has saved lives by preventing suicides and help men rebuild their lives.
Absolutely positively right bro!!
or preventing them from destroying it...taking a a modern female or a single mother
Rollo knows every line of the female behavior code.
It saved mine.
I agree. I think the understanding helps a lot of men. Helped me
The red pill doesn’t need a leader because it’s not a movement. It’s also not a “How-To manual”. It’s like math, people use it and apply it within their own context.
I believe the issue is that for a lot of men, and for society as a whole, it is becoming a net negative in the same way feminism is
Ppl take it too far. All the RP is was someone who dared look behind the curtain and see the truth.
That's literally it.
And they dared expose the truth. No gurus no popes no nothing.
It's like if u discover gravity, Isaac Newton wasn't a "cult leader" or a gravity guru! He simply made a discovery of something that is a fact.
Preach brother, Preach the good ol Red Pill word!
exactly, it's like math. most people can't do math. most people can't do red pill...
@@devincognito8932 I'm tired of that argument, the red pill and feminism couldn't be further apart and no they're not two sides of the same coin either.
Becoming "red pilled" comes with experience. You can only make sense of the content/theory once you tie it with real life events.
Agreed again!
Agreed. A How-To manual is no good unless you put it to use. Every man is different and not everything works with different men.
My opinion of Red Pill is the understanding of the relationship dynamics between men and women and putting it into practice. I see MGTOW as the same but instead of putting it into practice, they decide not to, as they don't want the relationship.
And MRA is men trying to change unequal, biased and unfair LAWS to be equal with women.
Disagree. It certainly speeds up the process, but if I see everyone gets hurt when they touch the stove then I know not to touch the stove. You could argue that I would never understand 100% of the red-pill if I haven't lived through it, but 99% is just as effective right?
This dude is pretty close-minded and very emotional. Rollo you definitely kept your composure
I don't think he actually is emotional, he is just a salesman selling his product. The good thing is that Rolo knows that he want's nothing to do with the RP application.
I stopped listening after 5 seconds of him talking.
Bro yelling while Rollo is Zen AF. Losing frame bruh.
No surprised S&S made a pompous ass of himself
The problem with engaging with an emotional guy in a debate is you have to let him have the upper hand in tonality in order for him to feel like he's qualified to talk about this subject, if you raise your voice like him he's going to go to another level of yelling trying to beat you at his game. There is no winning.
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There is no winning? He wants to win, let him "win." It's just emotional talk. Rhetoric feels good but then reality hits. The same with feminists when they hit the wall.
It doesn't change the fact that men will continue to be chewed up and spit out repeatedly until they understand the truth about female nature (the red pill).
look at the careful, manipulative way you just worded that comment… Some of y’all red pill mfs use the word emotional as an insult, every time somebody dares to say what you don’t like/want to hear.. It’s almost like a shaming tactic
Why is he yelling though lol rollo chill af
Because he's losing.
🙏🏾Thank you for saying it, so I didn’t have to. Needs some communication training. Everything is bam, bam, bam. Some Wing Chun chi sau would help. How to be hard& soft
it's whistling in dark forest. but orks now are gonna make him out, too, I guess.
So the consumer is stupid? Android/PC person here. Us stupid red pill consumers are quite fine with receiving the information in multiple ways. Every redpill content creator has something to offer, whether hard data, or a creative story. I am just happy i found this content, full stop.
The apple analogy was a horrible example considering that Android has over 70% of the global market share today, and in 2009 Android only had 5% of the market share. Additionally, Apple in many parts of the world is viewed as a status symbol, has nothing to do with user experience.
Most people are really stupid the revolution is grab your shit and follow
If you have a faucet, you do not need to know the details about the system of pipes, the water heater, and the water company that supplies that water to it. You just know to know that occasionally you might need to fix it, and technicians can help with that.
In this context, he has a point. There are people who prefer streamlined, and prefer who prefer to customize.
@@Adanu191 you should know everything you just listed if you outsource you are gonna get scammed
@@Adanu191 The people who do not know how things work usually are the people that others take advantage of. Using your example, a person who only knows how to drive a car could end up paying for an engine preplacement when all they needed was new brake pads.
But I do agree, the world needs both type of people ;)
Its very feminine to create a movement for the sake of building a movement.
I don't know who the guy on the left is, but he seems very emotionally invested in the red pill as a movement, instead of seeing it as a truth, no more no less
The problem is that Rollo never just says that is all it is. That is the guys frustration.
The comparison made by Sinner was lame. How is evolutionary psychology ever going to be simple? That's what the red pill is. And more. Rollo is right. It is impossible to make it into little wisdom nuggets just like it was impossible to make Neo understand reality at first. It took him a deep dive into everything for him to come to terms. That's why Rollo is so frustrated. People are lethargic when it comes to learning what he is saying.
The hilarious part is most people do not need the evo psych to out it to use. The RP isn't all of that data. FRESHANDFIT IS THAT. HIS CHANNEL IS THAT. TATE WAS THAT. RELIGION DOES THAT. He acts the the RP is an ideology in which things are only done one way when Rollo specified at its purest and most factual is a college course. Most people do not use facts or need facts, and the RP space mostly doesn't go into the college course besides Rollo and the Rule Zero guys.
The black guy is right. If you want to make it a business you have to make it simple. Big, strong, rich and powerful = good sex with hot women. Otherwise you can retreat into porn. So, here you have it. That's how the world works. Weak men are prey and will be exploited. All you need to understand. But this ain't no business. Nobody who does not already know that wants to hear about. To make money out of it is the genius part.
He basically said "it's too difficult for me. I don't have the time to figure it out. Talk to me like I'm dumb so I can say you're wrong cause I don't want to hear the evidence to those facts. Let me default to emotional thinking"
A nerd has knowledge it’s up to him whether or not he exercises that knowledge and applies it to his life. Red pill is solely about awareness, the type of awareness society doesn’t have. Once the awareness has been offered it’s up to him to adjust accordingly.
Nothing wrong about being more aware how relationship goes/work.
@@mbg9650 Amen
This guy is a emotional as any women asked why they wear make up😅
Why is bro yelling, relax homie damnnnn. Maintain your composure 😒
Jesus. Yelling doesn't make you right.
Yeah, dude got loud.
some low IQ people think that way lol
Rollo bridges simple to complex instead of leaving all viewers in the simplistic mindset, you're a hero Rollo. If you'll talk to a child only a child way he'll stay child forever.
Insanity. Although I’m lonelier (it’s amazing) I’ve never felt better. Everything is cut and clear. I’d rather a cold truth than a warm lie:. These guys saved my life.
8:21 He lost me at "I think many of them are doing the right things but are not getting the correct outcome because..." FACTUALLY INCORRECT. Sugar coating lies to get followers. When you start telling lies, the road leads to darkness.
Rollo did well, this guy just wants to hear his own voice and cast labels.
RedPill saved my life and helped me seeing what man-woman relationships for what they truly are.
He needs to turn his caps lock off 😂
This saint and the sinner guy is loud, full of logical fallacies, and offensive when there is no need for it
The problem with this guy (The saint and the sinner) is the route of his business, he wants you to be part of his tribe, which I dont think is a bad thing, but the problem with leaders througth out history is that it becomes tyrannical to certain degrees (I mean, Im not saying he will make you kill people or steal) redpill is better in terms of, take the information you have and use it to your advantages that's it, you dont need to follow nobody, otherwise you will end up like soldiers from Ukraine or Rusia who are killing people they dont even know, just because they are following a tyrannical leader who doesn't care about you either.
No, the red pill is not useless.
Why is he yelling ???? He talks like modern women...
As someone who grew up as a shy nerd and now spins plates, i am glad i read Rollo, Roosh and Roissys work. I want to see whats behind the curtain. I want to understand the nuts and bolts of the machine.
I currently have 2 girlfriends and have other girls in my orbit lol
Thank you for your work Rollo.
Great conversation , agree with both of them ...Red Pill is very important knowledge but until society changes as a whole things will remain difficult for the most men and even most women down the road once there actions catch up with them .....A lot of people i know that didn't buy into that crap and got married and settled down in there 20s are still married now and happy with kids and the ones i know who just messed around are not doing so great now ..they might have married and had kids in there 30s but it ended in divorce becasue they go married for the wrong reasons plus older women have higher counts so it hard to stay committed where the young couples that got married often all they know is themself so its less tempting to think they can do better and act terrible ..
This guy thinks he is Samuel L Jackson.
Dude was trying to forget out how to mainstream the red pill. Sounds like just another grifter. Hope I'm wrong.
RPA is not snake oil nor a cult. It's a praxology.
It seems like he's saying we are too stupid and need to follow this guy. He is the leader.
I used to believe women were like my mother and sister.
Peaceful, reasonable, innocent, only dated with the purpose of getting married, friendly, knew how to be polite, to the guys they weren't interested in, feminine, clean, loyal, kind, disciplined, liked to read, sweet angels that could do no wrong.
The Red Pill showed me the foolishness of this way of thinking ☹️
I know, now, I'm a: pleaser.
Even though I don't date women and I have no interest in it, I'm always curious about it.
I understand, that be red pill, you have to date and get burned in the process. But given the current dating market and how the law treats men, in Western countries, I will pass.
For comparison, to know how war is, understand what being shot at means, what having PTSD is, you have to be there.
But, who in their right mind, wants to go to a war ?
Ideally for me, dating should be something fun, expressing your love for someone you desire and possibly marry and have kids.
The reality is: relationships are transactional.
If a woman doesn't see value in you, than you don't even get to the starting line and they can be very cruel. From the start, when you meet her on the first time, to the day, you are divorcing her and she takes, the house, the kids, alimony etc.
Not to mention, if someone asks her, how was the relationship with you, she will mostly likely tell: you were toxic and abusive ☹️
A lot of married/divorced guys, say on the comments sections: "Don't do it."
It's said that a wise person learns from his mistakes. A wiser one learns from others' mistakes.
Thank you to everyone that is part of this space, that includes Rollo Tomassi.
I now understand, how much more happier, I'm without women.
Don't give up man. Take into account that there ARE women like your mother and sister in terms of values and behaviour. What we're seeing on the Internet is the bad side of women, but you don't have to only experience it. In a good relationship you get some of the bad stuff, but also plenty of wonderful moments. The main factor will be who YOU are, as women are the reflections of their men's virtues. Most bad behaviour on their side comes from men being pathetic losers, or at least behaving like one. Be their hero, not a simp and they'll have actual love for you. You cannot lose that heroic frame though, remember.
I am with Rolo on this one, he gives the facts . . . if you want to take advantage of it you can find a lot of content on the tube on the application side of things. However the foundation needs to be understood before one can build what they want on top of it.
The application will be deferent for everyone else, what may work for one person my not work for another. As long as the foundation is understood both will find what works best as look as they keep up with application and trying to derive what works best for them.
The saint lost the narrative at we should be teaching women they don’t have long before they bear children, feminism will NEVER let that be taught, so forget that pipe dream, as far as Rollo I didn’t go to college and I understand him very well , and he explains in simple terms , so he is a Steve Jobs on hypergamous knowledge as far as I’m personally concerned
Go sell used cars someplace else.
Red pill keep up the good work.
Just another dramatic screen face.
red pill is the theory, but there are simple lessons, mainly just work hard and don't wife a 304...not too complicated really.
Apple is best known for MARKETING if you aren't a bot. Steve Jobs saved Apple by making the Apple computer colorful with the iMac. He was one of the first ranchers, before we knew how many sheep there were in the world.
It’s incredible how Rollo has arguments for these corny dudes way before they even step in front of him. He’s games this out so far in advance l.
I definitely started getting more girls since I started thinking this way did the relationships last not really but It taught me more or less how to not fall apart and move on to the next when stuff doesn't work out
Sinner/Ain’t is desperate for a place in the sphere
Nerds also have self-reflection and self-awareness, and are able to detect where their beliefs don't match reality. Dumbing down knowledge into memes can be done easily but it doesn't save individuals from doing the job no matter how smart we're. Yes, they may misinterpret the RP, and so what? This phenomenon has been the core of our evolution as humans, and the source of philosophical and religious thought. I'd say that The Saint & the Sinner (S&S), with pedantic self-assuredness gives the impression of sitting at the top of the Ivory Tower criticizing nerds by stating that they aren't able to see what's true or not, and blames RP philosophers for not being able to produce memetic content to feed the fools (the nerds) because he's above them. S&S didn't add anything as food for thought; his rhetoric (BS) is not even interesting.
The issue with simplifying the red pill now is that we don´t have the full understanding yet. We haven´t solved all the problems, so we cannot simplify the solutions because we don´t have them all yet. We´re still figuring shit out.
The red pill is not about finding the solutions. Its about understanding the truth. What you do with that truth is another matter
A porcupine doesn’t necessarily need to shoot its spikes. Have you ever seen a leopard, or lion that made the mistake of attacking a porcupine? Often, it’s life ending.
My red pill awareness comes from personal experiences with women ,it only took getting finessed and played by ONE to wake me up from that blue pill b.s I was living for most of my life
Nerds are needed in every field. Without computer science nerds, Apple wouldn't be where it is today. Not everyone seeks to be a mainstream leader. Understanding important truths isn't always difficult (like the red pill); some people just avoid them out of laziness or because it challenges their worldview. Also, people invest thousands in courses, but still struggle to show results no matter how you distill the information.
great discussion...hope to hear more convo. from these 2 along with other redpillers
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Towards the last three minutes you can see his awkward posture. Redpill is always there and forever.
Paraphrase: She’ll play with you if she wants to stay with you
-Saint and Sinner speaking on women that play games
Semantic, emotionalism, riveting, compelling, cadence of a leader are his tools of choice
I used to watch S&S and concluded that the guy is a chameleon, he’d do hit pieces on F&F if it meant he’d make a come up
Despite my reservations about KS, S&S make hit piece video about KS in an attempt to discredit him.
There’s 2 types of people that read 48 laws of power, The prince, Art of war, etc:
1. Individuals that want to know how to identify and figuratively defend themselves from the tactics, antics and strategies of the aggressors the books reference
2. People that seek to learn how to emulate/become/maneuver like the aggressors in said books
S&S is the latter
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Looking at Rollos face, you can see he loves the debates. He's a true intellectual.
Rollo is gamma.
This wasn't a debate.
@@robertrichards4930 You're right.
Evo psych can’t be simple. Sinner is well above his pay grade.
I despise paternalism
He doesn’t seems very stoic lol
The only thing I care about in RP is the understanding of female psychology and inter-sex dynamics that it provides.
Decades of apparent (emphasis on apparent) contradictions between
- what I learned and what I saw around me
- what a woman says and what she does
- what a woman says in one moment and what she says in another
- what a woman does in one moment and what she does in another
- how a woman acts with one man and how she acts with another
- the results a man gets acting a certain way vs the opposite way
etc etc etc
As a very logical person, it's been years of intellectual dread trying to find the underlying logic, the explanation, the connecting thread in all those seemingly random things.
Reading The Rational Male was eye opening. I could relate every single personality trait, example and dynamic with events of my life, and all of a sudden I was able to make sense of everything. I unlocked the underlying logic previously invisible to me. Quite literally like taking the red pill and becoming able to see the matrix and its inner-workings from the outside.
I do not know if the RP, or evolutionary psychology, or praxeology, call it whatever you want, is the right theory of human psychology. What I know is that it has been the only one so far that connected all the dots and was able not only to explain with 100% accuracy everything I lived through, but also has shown very effective when tested in any environment in the present.
So it gave me peace of mind. The world finally makes sense.
When it comes to outcome, this dude is probably right. Theory and practice are very different things.
Sounds like this dude doesnt understand red pill?
I saw straight through this guy, pretty sure Rollo does too. So I can’t for the life of me understand why would Rollo entertain a debate with him. He think because he speaks well, he can speak to Rollo. That ain’t how it works. I get that Rollo is all about challenging ideas but challenging this dudes idea doesn’t benefit Rollo as us one bit. It only allows him to tighten up his Schtick,whatever it is.
What I perceived, outside of the 'discussion', was that this guy was trying to 'out-Alpha' Rollo. Just an observation.
This was NOT a debate. Rollo you let him get away with murder.
Well i would like a small RedPill hand book 50-100 pages that have all the bullet points, what to improve, focus, avoid and act with many practical examples "wrong way to handle and right way" After this it more interesting to deepdive bigger books later and not be confusing by every detail of everything. 😎
I try to hear people out, but this guy was just yapping. I wouldn’t have Rollo’s patience
This dude wants to appear smarter than he actually is. He pretends to disagree with Rollo while actually he shares the same viewpoint. The Redpill is just the awareness that men need to avoid making silly mistakes. Knowledge is already a weapon. We don't need more.
I totally believe in the red pill
i read the first three of rollos books and i did find it very hard to understand both beacuse i felt it was written in an acedemic way i wasnt smart enough to follow and also cos thrse concepts were so new and alien to me as a blue pill man. however, in wanting to understand them i dug deeper and went to other channels and discussed it with friends and this process benefitted me more than if rollo had of dumbed it down. i dont believe u can have someone present new ideas that will become new beliefs and change how you are as a person and have them do it in a dumbed down way cos there will be so many questions.
Bro the red pill is absolutely not useless at all. It'll make you a lot of money (by helping you not throw money away chasing women that aren't worth a penny). It'll also help you keep any girl you want to keep around actaully around if you so please to bother yourself. It'll also save you trauma and state related bs. Redpill is worth a million times its weight in gold.
Lol. I love this mans energy and conviction.
This guy wants to sell you something.
This dude talks like the females he grew up with. Rollo has seen this type of dude way too many times
I know this is just WWE. It’s a great scenario where a jock tries to be a nerd 😂😂😂
Lenin and Mao thought the same way about the simple masses.
Why is he shouting into a microphone? 🤦🏾♂️
Am I the only one who gets Sneako vibes from this guy.
thank you rollo, this was a breath of fresh air, a lot of his points are valid !
The sinner guy is attacking for no real reason other than his own ego
ohhh man i want more of this, please invite him more often or someone similar
Lmao! “How do we change women’s minds”… Bruh, for millions of years……
marriage benefits women more than men, sure, but children benefit the most from a stable long lasting marriage, that's why its so important for society. We are unfortunately at a point where the benefits that a man gets are so low, that it doesn't make sense to look for someone to marry.
2 men of equal intellectual prowess.
Political philosophy is well read all over the world. Maybe not by the voters but by the leaders. It makes a difference!
I woke up .... cant trust them 304s
So is the guy on the left saying it's better to condescend to the lowest common denominator?
Tell us more about how smart you are, us peasants don't understand how smart you are, simplify it for us.
The Sinner keeps changing the definition of his words to always be right.
He is right, I did not understand what that comic was all about
Theoretical knowledge(i.e. the kind Rollo explains) cannot replace practical experience. Rollo's books come in handy when reflecting on experience. That is when you gain insight. However I have come to the conclusion alot of male social problems are bio/physical and neurological. ie. you are not going to get anywhere by "trying harder". The solution is health protocols: mitochondrial, microbiome, neurological enhancement, hormonal.
Theoretical knowledge and "trying harder" will not solve these problems.
Rollo mate you don't need me to tell you but here's the receipt: the book has helped me! I'm building up my mind soul life and pocket since being zeroed ;)
Him having to say he is the boss says enough.
It’s amazing how simple minded people assume other people must also be simple minded like them
anyone who works out, knows that ab crunchers are a waist of time. Real core exercises trump them every time. You cant just say do ab crunches and you wont be fat. It doesn't work like that.. Its a little too simple.
One cant just fall in love with tuck shop arms, one must fall in love and watch them grow.
Why I the hell was this guy screaming?
It’s not incentivizing men to be better but incentivizing women to give average men a chance in their prime age of attraction and that won’t happen because women don’t settle when they “FEEL” they can do better.
When I Speak To Someone Who Is Vastly Below My Intelligence Level, & I Perceive That I'm Losing Them Conversationally, I Simply Begin To Speak In Parables As It Pertains To The Subject Matter. Parables Are Good Enough For Jesus, Then They Are Good Enough For Raymond Karl.
he is the leader nobody has heard about
Rollo let him run on with his non-sequitors till he was done then reset the pace every time.
Bullshit can only go so far till it hits the wall, you see the same in women once they get to a certain age.
He needs to go to church, people who scream believe that their ideas are better just because they scream louder
Since when is RP synonymous with loser? Sensible is more like it. Most RP’d dudes I know are successful in every metric that matters (sex, money, fitness).
"Guys like me that over consume" haha okay bro
😌 Marquette underestimates 2023 nerds adaptability, Geeks master EQ too
Books are infantile? Is this guy serious? Is this some kind of satire or something?
Why you de shout this man??? You can put your point across without shouting...The Red Pill is way bigger than you think Come to 🇳🇬and have Sense.
This man is a fucking legend
I do understand that red pill speakers should talk a bit more to the average man. For instance, nobody from Rollo, to Fresh and fit, joker, none of them explain how a man loses his house in divorce. Not one of them ever said you lose the house by the court using a quick claim deed. Signed by the judge. They never say a man loses his 401k by a court order call QDRO. Explain the simple stuff first. Men might comprehend the risks more.
well… as I see it, insight (as immediate experience, one may add) is never ‘useless’ - even if, or even though, it may in some cases not lend itself to short-term exploitation easily. maybe seeing value in acquiring knowledge (or arts, in wider sense) per se exposes me as an intellectual, culturally. fine, so be it. on the other hand, of how much use is it to work oneself off to become ripped (physically as well as reseource-wise) PRIMARILY in order to impress xx.s who would with high probability come to die-vorce the bearer of latter treats further down trajectory in time !?!