Bambu Lab A1 Mini & AMS Lite! Cantilever Bedslinger!
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2023
- The new @BambuLab A1 mini and AMS Lite are here!
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The best part of this is the transparent plastic. Good timing from Prusa with the Mini update.
If you're gonna make a complex geared part... make it transparent. Stop putting covers on it.
I don't think Timing had anything to do with that they had to know this was coming. Tips from Makers who got the pre A1 had to tip them off
I updated my Mini today. It is like a new printer. But because of the AMS i couldn`t resist to preorder the A1 mini.
I have to disagree, my experience with this company was absolutely horrible. Took them 3 months to finally decide my printer was faulty and they didn't even bother to try and replace the machine. They wanted me to pay shipping to send it back to China. No thanks, I'll stick with elegoo.
I enjoy building vorons and delta printers over buying a bambulabs printer but they really have a lot going on for under $500 this made it hard not to buy if you can afford it.
Hopefully they make the AMS lite compatible with the P1P and X1C. I hate how much size it takes up. But to save $100....is it might be worth it.
That would be pretty cool. I like how the tubes are somewhat exposed and near the print head when the paths merge so there is less retraction needed. I can easily see a way to adapt the X and P Series to have similar feeding mechanisms for an AMS v2 to fit on top of the X and P series and have the same thing.
Now how to deal with the poop...
I don't think there would be many people that want to do that and thus not worth the effort. You would need to completely swap out the extruder which I can't imagine many people being pleased about especially X1C users with the lidar scanner.
At 250 vs 350 they will just get an ams unit.
@@dannonyogurt98 Lessons learned from each version... meld them together and now you have AMS v2 which is compatible with A1 and X1...
Invert the AMS Lite and give it a stand to hold it above the A1... the base can also fit above the X1 and feed down to the extruder. Give it an extra channel for running an external spool into it... Give X and P series a firmware update... BOOM! AMS v2.
@@dannonyogurt98 all you would need is the buffer they sell and more retraction on a filament change (I'm not sure there is enough spring wind though)
It's already been verified it won't be compatible.
It's incredible what they are doing.. it's incredible what Prusa is doing and has done. The competition should bring us some amazing innovations.
What could happen is Bambu will crush the competition with price/performance. We don’t want to see a 3D print world without Prusa, but I fear Prusa has zero chance competing with a company with tentacles into high volume manufacturing and engineering DNA from DJI. People would be astonished at the price for the molds used in this product for example.
@@judd_s5643 looking back in time yes, but Prusa spent like 5 years just scratching their llamas's woolly balls
@judd_s5643 it could be, I just wish Prusa would have been more successful at acquiring components for XL, and a better price on it for sure. I would have went that route.. I would have thought Creality would have been a wakeup the prusa brand.
They definitely need to release a transparent one. It looks so sweet with the clear housing! At first I was on the fence about it. I saw the photos and everything on Bambu's site first thing this morning and then I mulled it over a bit. I think without the AMS it's going to be a game changer and totally worth it if you're looking for a smaller machine to have close by on your desk. I like the idea of a small machine for quick idea prints or making small revisions to a design before printing multiples on your larger printer. I think that's one great thing about this. It can be a companion to your other printers as well as catering to the beginner market as well.
I was thinking the same thing. Give it to me in atomic purple.
@@jasco666 Oh heck yeah! If they did a whole rainbow of transparent colors, I bet they'd sell like hotcakes!
I really hope bambu ups their customer support for all the new customers they will bring in.
I just got mine and have printed a few things and I am SO impressed!
Now we just need an XL bambu printer. And my dreams will come true!
Dear Bamboo Labs: I have ordered the A1 combo. I’m living for the arrival of this awesome machine and AMS. I’ve been watching my in box, checking every few minutes for the arrival date. Please let me know soon because I’m getting very sleepy and hungry waiting to hear from you.🥱
Avoiding the "open vs. closed" controversy - Hats off to Bambu for kicking multicolor printing up another notch after doing the same thing with high speed printing. I'm saving my money while enjoying the show waiting to have my cake and eat it too when the ultimate "size/speed/low noise/multicolor" winner(s) arrive.
Seems like a very large overall footprint for multi-color/material printing on that small of a bed (A1 + AMS Lite + Poop box). Happy to see an option at this price point though for someone that wants to get into 3d printing!
Less pooping, more like yeeting, It chucks the waste
Bambu Labs going for the kill! If it wasn't for the closed architecture and the cloud stuff, it would be perfect
Agree with this. Also, i hope Bambu still support A1 as long as Prusa support Mini+.
I don't know that I would agree with perfect but I agree 100% that the Cloud secrecy from Bambu and closed Architecture has me majorly concerned. So many people jumped in bed with Bambu so early. A little more time is needed to obtain some history and a track record.
@@cupertinogeek2070 the only downside (not a downside for me) is the bed size. This thing takes a meaty 💩 on my Ender 3. If you know of a better printer than this for $250 for the printer or $400 for the printer/AMS lite combo I would truly be interested in taking a look at it and I might buy.
Best video on the A1 that's out so far.
I needed to see this, thanks Joel! If I can figure out a nice way to do my timelapses with it, I would be very tempted. I guess the layer switch g-code with physical switch method would work, but I do love my octoprint setup. I'll have a think - Thanks!
im getting this for my GF. i have an X1C already and its made printing dead simple for me. This new machine is an extension of that and i would suggest it for anyone wanting to start printing.
Great video. It's good to have a printer on the market that finally seems to enable push and play printing. So great for people that don't want to tinker
Mk4, p1p??
Great explanation of the mechanics of the machine thanks Joel!
Clear plastic should be standard, would be very helpful for troubleshooting down the line!
My input - buy what works. Your discussion of the appliance model is very appropriate.
Should Open Source matter to you -
For most humans, the answer to at least 3 of those 4 questions is no. For me, this stuff is what I do for a living, and even I sometimes want the tech that I buy to just work. That's why I bought Apple TVs for my media use and Xboxes for my gaming. I have access to all of the bits and bobs to make very high end versions of both of those devices, but sometimes, I just want to plug it in and use it.
This will be the excellent companion to my ratrig and v0. My ratrig is specifically PETG with a hardened CHT nozzle. My V0 is specifically used to print ABS parts for my ratrig and other parts that require an enclosure. This is a perfect printer to print and forget. Not to big and has multi material and should keep up or be faster than my current printers.
I was disappointed with a small bed slinger when i saw this leaked earlier this morning but now might consider it. I would use it for hue forge printing. id be interested to know how it performs with detailed hue forge prints
Most of the hueforge crowd has been wanting a larger printer for bigger art projects. Itll probably be fine for it
people underestimate small cantilever bedslingers. My Ender 2 pro give almost every big machine a run for their money at $100 except for the print volume
If I had $948 dollars to spend, I would get the Prusa MK4.
The models are cool, especially the mouse kit . It seems to print pretty good too. Multi color is neat and different.
You said ti precisely right - it's an appliance now. You also said correctly, that when appliance breaks, you bring it to a repair shop. This, IMO, is the biggest problem with our Bambu Lab printers. If something breaks that we are not able to fix (structural failure, an epoxied-in idler, or whatever may be wrong) or may be not _willing_ to fix ourselves (because we don't have the time or skill or knowledge required), where's the repair shop to bring it in? I hope those resellers that now exist will also soon work as service centres, otherwise this appliance approach is not going to work, or at least it's a big gamble for the consumer. Lemons also exist and having to ship the thing back is the very worst experience possible. And shipping the printer back to Bambu means you have to have the original packaging (most of us throw it away) and a postal service that doesn't cost an arm and leg. Sorry, but nope, I need a service centre that either sends a technician or a courier to pick it up, repair it and brings it back to me or somewhere I can drive to with the printer as-is and just "have it fixed and tuned up".
Yes, so far my experience with support has been good (not that I had many problems), but sometimes remote diagnostics turns to guesswork and you just want a technician to either fix it or swap the whole chassis and investigate (or recycle or refurbish) later.
This is an even more pressing topic for me because I am just dealing with an AMS failure (probably caused by me), where I first bought an expensive part as a replacement just to get one good board that's on it and leave the rest stashed somewhere, then discover the error is probably on the application board which I have to ask support to ship, but there's just no way to tell if even that is going to help and now I have a box of parts that are probably useless, and because I need/want to print I ended up just ordering another AMS as a replacement. That's not what a normal consumer wants to experience at all.
At this price point, repair (even if there was a warranty repair center available) wouldn't be practical. The economic model is buy, use till it breaks, trash it and buy another. Not good for the economy or the environment but that's where we are.
@@williamerskine6035I disagree. It is not _that_ cheap...
@@zviratko it is that cheap, sending it beack and forthh does for around 60 bucks. Bambu makes disposable machines. Their approach is going to be similar to apple's in a few years once they think they cornered the market
@@fofopads4450I was thinking more about bringing it to a (hopefully somewhat) local service centre / reseller. Sending it to China (or even abroad) makes no sense for most people and might be more wasteful than just buying another machine - you are not wrong there... :)
This video is really informative and I really enjoyed it, Thank you!
Bambu Lab is bringing heat!🔥🔥🔥🔥
So the MINI+ just got an alpha for input shaping. Would love a head to head comparison.
Yeah but without input shaper calibration. Also the Mini+ XZ assembly is pretty flimsy. I wouldn't be surprised if it performed significantly worse than the A1 Mini.
@@m97120 It should perform worse, we should be concerned if tech hasn't evolved with machines all those years apart
the A1 would blow the mini+ out of the water. Mini plus doesnt really have input shaping, as it has no accelerometer and no way of actually calibrating it for your printer. Prusa is basically just cheating right now and using the exact same values for all mini's, which isnt the right way to do input shaping at all.
Amazing coverage as always!
Looks awesome!!
Really hope they release the translucent option
Thanks for your review! I held off buying an X1C to see what they released and we got the A1. It's a great printer, but I'll wait a few more months for any updates on a successor to the X1C and will pull the trigger if no news.
Just in case there isn't an X1C successor, I thought that I would let you know that I'm very happy with my X1C. I've had it almost a year now (this year flew by), and the experience has been great. I do the routine maintenance that Bambu Lab recommends since it's easy to do. There are no signs of wear on the moving parts. It prints nylon just as good as it can print PLA. It's almost too easy. The speed doesn't get old either. After all of this time of owning it, I still can't help but watch it print sometimes.
The extension cord hahaha,,, Thank you for the video!
Finally, a Bambu that a beginner like me with slim to non dollars can use
It’s very beginner friendly
That was one video cool video. Yeah I think that they are going to make a bigger version of it soon. I'm thinking about to get one too.
This small printer actually needs much bigger space than it's brothers.😅
With AMS yes
With the lower price comes less convenience
Or at least that's how I see it
Weight plays a part in
🙄
Hey Joel, does the A1 print TPU from the new AMS Lite?
Angus (makers muse) was able to get tpu to work, and didn't mention much of a difficulty. He didn't use the ams instead opting for the built in holder
Theres some interesting little engineering choices here. Thanks for the great overview! Can't say Im super stoked for the footprint of that whole thing or the design aesthetic as compared to its older bretheren but it is priced to sell. Will be quite curious to see what type of customers this resonates with. (pun intended)
I agree. Though the design is unique; the footprint of this machine pretty large if you include the ams.
That pun is so good. Hope the quality though is just as good because the p1p and x1 are sooooo high quality
Hey Joel! Great video and I might have finally found the perfect everyday printer for me. I don't see anything about using dissolvable support filament with the AMS Lite. Is that something not recommended or not possible?
I was wondering if the AMS lite will auto switch filaments like the original AMS when the spool runs out?
Great video, Joel.
This is interesting. If someone were to want to get into 3d printing as a minor hobby, which machine would you recommend? Looking for something reliable and something I could run in my office while I am working on my computer, so would need to be semi quiet. Bambu seems like the most user friendly with the least issues to get reliable prints.
This one fits the bill quite well.
How is the print quality compared to the x1c? I would assume a cantilever design to have more printing artifacts and issues. Which is a fair tradeoff for the price, but it would be good to know if thats the case!
The size is so small that it shouldn’t really matter. It prints FASTER than the X1C because of this. You should expect to get equal quality.
Creality has a strong presence and should continue to thrive.
My hatred of proprietary systems wants this to suck so hard, but bugger me sideways there is some good shit in this.
It's great for the price and fits well in the market, I'm just not personally interested in another bed slinger. Looking forward to seeing what they do next.
That is a WONDERFUL mindset to have.
Very nice little printer! Just bought the combo excited to see what she will do :-).
How do you like it? On the fence about ordering.
@@aharris1415 Really happy with it , the AMS lite is significantly better than the full fat AMS of the X and P series printers. For the money it's unbeatable!
The styling, in the ams especially, along with the choice of white makes me think this thing could have been a prop in Alien, or similarly styled sci-fi movie. You just need to throw some extra toggle switches and lights on it.
Thanks for the quick overview. Can it be used 'without' the Bambulab cloud?
Probably, considering their other printers can be used in LAN-only mode or with a microSD card
Great video, shared on my group and Socials.
Awesome thank you!
The cloud slicing is a step to what I think makes this hobby more mainstream, as one of the last major hurdles to mainstream users is the slicing part -- being able to just print a model, select the speed/quality, and ship it without tinkering with the endless options is akin to how standard printers (inkjet/etc) operate in the user workflow. The user can tinker, but otherwise the driver/firmware handles all of it. Although I would have preferred something like Printables (for the online portion) and the Slicer embedded in the machines firmware.
I love this size. We design and print our own parts and our largest part is around 6.8” wide and prints in 2.5 hours on the prusa mini. The A1 is going to cut that time in half. I wish there was a way to stack the AMS lite above the printer instead of beside it.. takes up too much space that way.
Great job!
So many people complaining about this
Ive had a total of 13 printers in my life
Always upgrading selling and buying new ones until I ended up getting the X1C, i still have 4 other printers from creality which is taking up all my space and this new one is perfect size yes its small but quality and multi color for that price???? Preordered haha
You like it or not ?
Does it work for you or not?
Why complain and make fun of a company whos legit spending time and even years on manufacturing something for someone to enjoy
Is like not supporting a small business by saying a keychain or sticker is too expensive after they spent so much time effort and money on materials
Very interesting, and an amazing price for multicolor. Clever about the spring-loaded filament multiplexer. Disappointed about the cloud slicing :-/ Is it cloud only, or is there an option for LAN-only?
I just bought this ( I have X1 carbon) but wanted one for my camper to travel with and build quick small fix pieces . No need for ams colours though.
you know the big ones coming
Still waiting 😩
Honestly I’d just prefer to see the p1s get updated. For the price is starting to feel outdated
Cool features! But for me, someone who can only buy 1 printer, it lacks the size which is important to me. If it was 220x220, I would maybe consider it but someone mention that size would require a full gantry like an Ender. In the future, if Im allowed to purchase a 2nd printer. One thing though, this sort makes me lean towards buying a K1 Max over a P1S Combo.
Yea, I really want. P1 max, something big for masks
This is the A1 Mini which suggests they may have a larger version planned.
@conorstewart2214 I think they will prioritize the larger X1C/P1S first. Someone said in a comment that if they do a bigger A1, it would have the Ender 3 design as a cantilever won't handle a bigger volume well, especially at high speeds.
Wow very inticing, I dont have a need for another printer but this one has me itching.
Thanks Joel
Prusa totally saw this coming when they released the new mini firmware the day before. Would pick this a1 over the mini as well
Im interestd in the security of the cloud service. There were definitely issues with the p1p and x1 printers. 5ghz compatibility and cleartext usage. Made it very difficult for large scale enterprise and education uses. What are the thoughts on the compatibility of this printers in the enterprise/education space?
Typically from my perspective, a new machine is only interesting in that I might want to puck one up used a few years down the line. But this, this makes my want to start saving my pennies and possibly buy my first new machine ever.
It's not something I can replicate the functionality of cheaply enough or easily enough be worthwhile compared to the modest price tag.
So... what are the stepper drivers? They use internal Chinese manufactured ones for the P1P and X1, so I'm assuming this is no different.
Also -- that thing is vibrating worse than an unbalanced washing machine. I guess one of the first things to print are tabletop clamps?
So, still completely cloud dependent with LAN support an after thought, or just plain absent?
No, cloud is not required. Cloud transfer OR over your LAN, cloud slicing is only for mobile app.
Hi Joel. Does the ams lite waste as much filament as the original ams ?
Only system that I can think of that wouldn’t waste so much would be the Prusa XL. Unless you know of any others.
If you don't want waste,
- purge to infill
- get IDEX printer ;)
Actual multimaterial (PLA + PETG material/support for example) should work better with IDEX (different nozzle temperatures)
Hahaha the intro was perfect. This looks pretty cool though. I might get it just to play with.
Joel, another great 3D Printer review! Thanks! BTW, what make and color filament did you use for the metallic blue looking mouse? Looks great!
That’s HIGH FIVE BLUE from Proto Pasta
Joel, Thx! Can't wait for your next live broadcast!
Awesome review!
Have you done any testing with using PLA and PETG as each other's support interface?
Also unsure if anything can be done but at 10:54 when price comparing the A1 to the P1P it shows "with AMS Lite $349" but I'm guessing it should be "with AMS $349" unless there's a way to get the AMS Lite working with Bambu's other printers.
Great video analysis, you really covered all the important quirks and features! Might have to buy one now
what was i supposed to say?
Just tried scanning the QR code, very cool
Cant wait to see the trident versions :)
I started my 3D printing life with a Monoprice Mini Delta and I came to HATE that machine and to hate Cura as well. Instead of giving up I bought the Prusa MK3S+ and it honestly saved the hobby for me. The machine is a workhorse and the Prusaslicer profiles work as-is. Absolutely ZERO tinkering.....
How does the Bambu stack to that experience? What slicer and is there a default profile and then do I have to tailor that profile to the machine?
I learned a lot with my MPMD but unforntunately I also learned to hate it......
Does it have less waste on multicolor? Are the poops any smaller?
I think it's a different type of noise? The one that is movement noise, like in "signal to noise ratio"?
I found it hilarious that bed-slinger was a dirty word just a few weeks ago now people are saying "I have my A1 on order" . LOL!!!
Looks like an upgraded Cetus 3D !
Do you feel the 180mm build plate vs the 256mm in the other models hinders it in any way? Looking for options for my next printer. I started with a Flashforge creator pro 2, but the small build plate is killing me.
The Creator Pro2 has a build plate of 200x150x150, so the A1 mini with 180mm3 would be very similar in my opinion. Go for the P1S
Have you tried printing on a different surface other than the table top in the video? Just curious if it moved as much on all surfaces. I kind of wonder how it would do with a silicone mat under it, or one of those large desk mats or a neoprene type mat.
Yes, but not the same model. A silicone mat would definitely do the trick on the desk.
@@3DPrintingNerd Thanks for the response I appreciate it! Will definitely keep it in mind if I get one 👍
is the ams lite compatable with its biger brotheres ?
i really liked the idea but im not sure if its cheap enough i would still buy the p1s i think
but i must say i just hate bedslingers from my experience had the cr10s4 and i hated it every second print failed
Will the AMS mini work with P1P / P1S ?
I'd like to see a conversion kit for the X1C and P1 to use the A1 Mini print head & also to convert the AMS to run individual tubes to printer.
I would as well, but realistically that won't happen for existing models due to the costs - particularly associated with the print heads and lidar.
Maybe they'll rework some things in the next versions.
Thank you for the video, Joel! Trying my luck with early reviewers on UA-cam such as yourself with no luck so far but is there a chance you could let me / us know the exact L x W x H of the A1 Mini with its spool holder (not the AMS Lite, just the spool holder)? Would appreciate it if you could chip in that info!
I am trying to build an enclosure for the printer before it arrives. As such, trying to figure out the exact measurements to have acrylic sheets cut to size.
Bambu product page does not state which measurement they put in specs corresponds with which of L, W or H and I do not think there is a set convention about their order to make sense of. They also do not specify whether the given measurements include the spool holder or not.
Does the ams plug into the wall I’m planning on buying this and a Prusa mk4 will I need a power strip?
do you know if the ams mini will work with the x1, p1 units ?
It will not as of right now. No idea what Bambu plans are.
Hey i had a question would you be able to use the AMS lite with the bambu lab p1p
No. lite is for a1 and a1 mini
If you have to take your 3D printer to a repair shop instead of self-servicing it, you have to take into account that additional cost that a repair shop will charge you whenever something breaks down
This is what I feel like people always fail to understand. Sure, the *initial price* is lower, but that quickly gets overtaken by the overpriced, proprietary parts you need to buy when something breaks.
And that's not even considering the fact that if Bambu Labs ever goes bankrupt or something, suddenly none of the fancy cloud features work and you will never be able to fix the printer again unless you buy a second one used and cannibalize it for parts.
@@olivereisenberger7215 Chinese companies have already introduced knockoff Bambu parts, like hotends. As far as the actual electronics go, that's the bigger issue, I think; if Bambu goes under and you need a new control board, you might be screwed, since it's partially closed-source and uses proprietary hardware.
@@theglowcloud2215 If you use these knockoff spare parts then you often have to live with error messages. The software is designed to work with the original parts. Every discrepancy leads to error messages.
@@olivereisenberger7215
Bambu has the most affordable replacement parts of any company, though.
If Prusa can stay in business this long with no real innovation and expensive parts.... What's stopping bambu?
I just don't understand this fantasy scenario where a company that makes great performing products for affordable prices and sells a bevy of replacement parts going under.
Bambu labs is doing what makerbot wanted to do
What tech history tells us is that you better sell out if a big old boomer company wants to buy you tho
How do you keep your filaments dry sitting out in the open. Is all that PLA? Or do you dry before use?
It’s not humid in my studio.
@@3DPrintingNerd Thanks for the answer! I read that some filaments (like petg, tpu) need a very dry environment, do you keep track of the relative humidity in your studio? what do you consider a good value?
I want this so badly
I was thinking of buying a P1s, but with these updates on the A1 I'll wait until the P2s arrives, in the meantime I'm playing with another bedslinger!
Hey would this be a good choice as my first 3D printer?
can it print in tpu multicolor. The last ones is not recomended with the ams right?
The A1mini is a basic 3D printer that gets the job done for simple projects. so you have more choices like Prusa mini or Creality Ender-3 V2 Neo
hope they make a ams system like that for the carbon and I hope they do a larger bed option in the future.
Why would the AMS lite be good for the X1C? The standard AMS is better and really not that much more expensive, plus you can connect 4 at once with the AMS hub.
I can see how the AMS lite may work with the other printers using the AMS hub but they don’t have the four PTFE tubes going to the hotend like the A1 does so it’s benefit would be limited.
hi, if I wanted to use liquid glue to fix it on the PEI plate of the A1 mini, which one can I use?
Are you able to buy the gift kits separately
Can it multi material print? E.g. pla as second material as support for PETG print?
Can’t pre order will October 16th
But you say available now loooool
Also bambu hasn’t even done there newsletter and you released the video lol
Babu needs to put a lol after the no more bed slingers
Great video!
Do you know how I can get the files and hardware for that mose without buying the A1?
Soon I think. I believe they will be selling the kits.
When will the a1 mini be sold separately?
killer review
So can you run the ams lite with your x1 carbon so the cardboard spools are no problem anymore
Nope :(