Very nice model. I must buy this model when it done. 🎉🎉 But I hope the final version will have airspeed sensor mount (important for safe vtol transition)
I print various models of complexity by different designers and this by far is a huge "WOW" for me. I'm looking forward to a challenging project such as this when it becomes available for a winter time project. I'm ever so thankful of my machining skills and past experience in 3D modeling (Auto Cad 3D Modeler/Hyper Mill Cam). Please continue this impressive amazing work.
Glad you are having good luck with speedybee fc! Started using their fcs on my drones a year ago and has been good experience and now most of my drones are speedybee!
O seu trabalho é incrível. Mesmo só com uma ponta da quase inteira, o leme da cauda responde o comando e vocês consegue manobrar, mesmo avariado. Não para não, continue com seus projetos; aposto que deve ter muita gente curtindo os seus vídeos
This is the first time I have seen this channel and I struck gold! I have bin wanting to see a 'real' RC VTOL jet for some time 😮 and now I found it! The fact that it's a real jet and not a quad copter with a foam fusiladge is awesome!!! Can't believe the detail & time the Author has gone to, to make this a true replica of a F-35 type VTOL 😅😅 lots more to say, but I subscribed so I can learn more! No one online I have seen has pushed this far into proper RC VTOL 😮 I LOVE this!!!
If the speedybee F405 can handle the total current (pretty sure it can) you can connect first the battery on the speedybee and then to the matek so that you use it's current sensor
Aurdupilot aurduplane vtol has been better than inav in my opinion. Your flight controller is supported. Qautotune makes tuning so much easier once your filters are set.
I had similar problems with the accelerometer and some Gforces. They are affected in wrong position data and result in wild oversteering trys of the flight controller. My solution was a gyroscopic sensor instaed of the small mercurybased.
Wenn das mit der Entwicklung so weiter geht, kann ich nicht mehr lange widerstehen! Vermutlich werde ich dann mal mit der JRM-CTOL-Version einsteigen um zu sehen, wie ich den Druck sowie das fliegen im Griff habe. LW-PLA ist jedenfalls schon vorhanden.
Seems like low throttle creates weird ground effects under the aircraft. Nice that the solution is just "gun it!" Didn't someone create small air outlets near the wingtips pon some model to reduce the centrality of the thrust and reduce the oscillation?
Ich bin sehr beeindruckt! Zu dem Flight Controller hätte ich einige, vielleicht hilfreiche Infos für euch, zu sagen. Ich durfte schon einige lehrreiche Erfahrungen mit dem SpeedyBee Wing sammeln. Ihr dürft glaube ich den kompletten Strom über den FC laufen lassen. Er verkraftet schon sehr hohe Ströme. Was er nicht verkraftet, ist wenn ihr an den Servo Ausgängen, auch wenn es nur sehr sehr kurze Impulse sind, mehr als 4 A Strom zieht. Wenn zum Beispiel einige Servos parallel arbeiten, wie in meinem Fall, beim Flugzeug (1,3m) extremere Manöver fliege. Ohne jetzt großartig Werbung machen zu wollen, schaut euch den Holybro H743 Wing an. So wie ich das raus höre, arbeitet ihr mit INAV. Meiner Einschätzung nach könntet ihr mit Ardupilot noch bessere Resultate erzielen.
Rene; I would suggest a change to a Matek H743-WING V2 or V3 as I think the processing power of the 743 is more capable for what you are attempting. I found them far better at hovering and on Altitude and Position Control modes in INAV than the 405 boards on my quadcopters.
Shut up and take my money! I want it so bad! Also are there plans for compatibility with the folding wing missile? If not will there be a way to buy STP files or something that can be edited in cad?
I am not experienced enough I like RC airplanes but wanted to ask if in the setup you used thrust control with curve or not? I think if the thrust given to the airplane with some kind of curve will give more time for the controller to do adjustments and reduce the shakey behaviour I am inspired from you ❤❤❤ Wish one day I can get 3d printer and start do this things Love you 🎉🎉🎉
In case you happen to read this, I humbly request you look at the following aircraft for a future project the tandem seat, Rafale for another jet and the Hawker Sea Fury for a prop fighter.
Hi, planning to get a bambu lab A1, will this printer be enough to print this plane? Do you provide configuration files or gcode for this specific printer as part of the purchase? Thanks
The jet looks great, congratulations on getting this far! For what it's worth, PID control is *entirely* unsuitable for such an aircraft. I'm afraid that, if you stick with a PID control law (or really any control law that assumes you have a Linear Time Invariant system), you're going to either waste a *LOT* of time fruitlessly searching for 'good enough' parameter values, or you'll eventually need to seriously limit the aircraft's closed loop performance to a regime where small-angle approximations are valid. I also strongly object to PID control being shown as an appropriate control system choice for projects in the 21'st century. It's deceptive simplicity just acts to lure in precisely those amateur or student engineers who are most liable to get stuck in a frustrating guess-and-check tuning loop, desperately trying to find good parameters even when their project is mathematically uncontrollable by a simple PID control law. Even (or perhaps especially) for those that have no-one to help them and who are unwilling or unable to learn the basic math and tools of introductory discrete time control theory, I would rather advise a visual and computer aided design process. When dealing with a SISO (Single Input Single Output, i.e. no coupling between modes or inputs) LTI system, something as simple as Matlab's automated System ID toolbox, coupled with a z-transform visualization in Simulink (to vastly simplify the tuning process), should reliably provide good results in a fraction of the time. As for highly non-linear MIMO systems, such as this aircraft, I honestly think the simplest proper solution would be to seperate Guidance, Navigation and Control into their own feedback loops and to utilize MPC (Model Predictive Control) with an *Unscented* Kalman Filter to provide state estimation.
Hello! Your videos are very intrestig I like it! But have questnion. During 3d printing of many parts you mayby got some mistakes and have old planes that you will not use. What are you do with plastic waste? Are you have shreder and furnace to recicle? If yes what models do you exactly use?
Hmm Angle modus ist der der automatisch versucht den Flieger grade zu halten ... Ich weiß nicht ob euch das autotune Feature hilft... (Alle meiner Flugzeuge und Drohne haben ein inav Setup drauf und fliegen meist erst Nachdem autotune gut .. vorher hab ich meistens auch irre Oszillationen drinn)
@renerosentraeger hier noch ein paar Tipps. 1. Ein schalter an der Fernsteuerung auf autotune stellen ( auch in inav programmieren ) 2. Mit aktivem autotune fliegen (am besten bei keinem wind und höher als im ground Effekt) Zusätzlich das roll und Nickverhalten ausprobieren (nur so "lernt' der flight Controller das Flugverhalten und passt die regler entsprechend an) 3.wenn alles passt: Landen und Nicht ausschalten ... Ansonsten vergisst der FC die werte ... Einfach an den pc anschließen und auf irgendeiner seite von inav auf safe and reboot gehen (Bei den speedybee FCs geht es auch über deren app und via Bluetooth/ wlan ... Laptop ist zum Glück dafür nicht notwendig)
Why don't you connect to the FC via Bluetooth? There even is a speedybee app to make changes in INAV, especially in your case PID gains (drop the P, up the D) on the go😄
PID autotune also works pretty well on INAV 7. Have you considered just ditching the Matek PDB? The integrated SpeedyBee PDB has a pretty decent BEC and the current sensor should be able to handle those 90A (I admit though to not having checked this). I'm not sure if it's possible to feed the analog signal for the current into the RSSI pad. Although the pin is connected to an ADC, INAV doesn't give you an easy way to just reassign it to be your current-measurement. For that, you would have to either create a new INAV target for this FC or switch to ardupilot.
Very nice model. I must buy this model when it done. 🎉🎉
But I hope the final version will have airspeed sensor mount (important for safe vtol transition)
We will do so!
This channel made me wanna make rc planes cuz this is so cool
Yeah! Go for it!
I print various models of complexity by different designers and this by far is a huge "WOW" for me. I'm looking forward to a challenging project such as this when it becomes available for a winter time project. I'm ever so thankful of my machining skills and past experience in 3D modeling (Auto Cad 3D Modeler/Hyper Mill Cam). Please continue this impressive amazing work.
Thx mate!
Glad you are having good luck with speedybee fc! Started using their fcs on my drones a year ago and has been good experience and now most of my drones are speedybee!
Absolutely crazy!!! Really impressive design,for such a complex aerodynamic can concept. Well done!!
Thx!
Congratulations! This is amazing.
Congratulations such a high standard of innovation , design and manufacture. I can’t wait to build this when released. Soon I hope
Just awesome!! You guys are changing the RC world. Much needed today!
O seu trabalho é incrível. Mesmo só com uma ponta da quase inteira, o leme da cauda responde o comando e vocês consegue manobrar, mesmo avariado. Não para não, continue com seus projetos; aposto que deve ter muita gente curtindo os seus vídeos
HAHAHAHAH! at 28, I thought it was on a string or mount, then I realized it was just flying :) . CAN'T WAIT
Hovering with iNAV is cool. ArduPilot is the key to transitions 🙂
Richtig geil! Respekt für das Tüfteldurchhaltevermögen.
This is the first time I have seen this channel and I struck gold! I have bin wanting to see a 'real' RC VTOL jet for some time 😮 and now I found it! The fact that it's a real jet and not a quad copter with a foam fusiladge is awesome!!! Can't believe the detail & time the Author has gone to, to make this a true replica of a F-35 type VTOL 😅😅 lots more to say, but I subscribed so I can learn more! No one online I have seen has pushed this far into proper RC VTOL 😮 I LOVE this!!!
amazing work
Yes, the rc dev gods dropped a new vid
Just what I thought 🤣
The beast is done!
So good to see your progress with the VTOL airplanes, this is good work!
Let’s gooooo. I get to come back after a very long time and this is the first thing I see!!!! Love your work btw
Haha cool 💪
If the speedybee F405 can handle the total current (pretty sure it can) you can connect first the battery on the speedybee and then to the matek so that you use it's current sensor
Yes, meanwhile I think so too and will resolder it.
Fantastic job! love the work. You give me motivation for my VTOL aircraft design. (more hansom) = ( a lot better) in English. 😉
Aurdupilot aurduplane vtol has been better than inav in my opinion. Your flight controller is supported. Qautotune makes tuning so much easier once your filters are set.
I had similar problems with the accelerometer and some Gforces. They are affected in wrong position data and result in wild oversteering trys of the flight controller. My solution was a gyroscopic sensor instaed of the small mercurybased.
Good job, amazing 😁👍
Thx!
Wenn das mit der Entwicklung so weiter geht, kann ich nicht mehr lange widerstehen!
Vermutlich werde ich dann mal mit der JRM-CTOL-Version einsteigen um zu sehen, wie ich den Druck sowie das fliegen im Griff habe.
LW-PLA ist jedenfalls schon vorhanden.
Ja irgendwann musst du mal loslegen!
Always Great work
Thx!
I think some pid tuning and that thing would fly beautifully
Seems like low throttle creates weird ground effects under the aircraft. Nice that the solution is just "gun it!" Didn't someone create small air outlets near the wingtips pon some model to reduce the centrality of the thrust and reduce the oscillation?
Finally!!!!!!🤌🏾🤌🏾🤌🏾
Ich bin sehr beeindruckt! Zu dem Flight Controller hätte ich einige, vielleicht hilfreiche Infos für euch, zu sagen. Ich durfte schon einige lehrreiche Erfahrungen mit dem SpeedyBee Wing sammeln. Ihr dürft glaube ich den kompletten Strom über den FC laufen lassen. Er verkraftet schon sehr hohe Ströme. Was er nicht verkraftet, ist wenn ihr an den Servo Ausgängen, auch wenn es nur sehr sehr kurze Impulse sind, mehr als 4 A Strom zieht. Wenn zum Beispiel einige Servos parallel arbeiten, wie in meinem Fall, beim Flugzeug (1,3m) extremere Manöver fliege. Ohne jetzt großartig Werbung machen zu wollen, schaut euch den Holybro H743 Wing an. So wie ich das raus höre, arbeitet ihr mit INAV. Meiner Einschätzung nach könntet ihr mit Ardupilot noch bessere Resultate erzielen.
Rene; I would suggest a change to a Matek H743-WING V2 or V3 as I think the processing power of the 743 is more capable for what you are attempting. I found them far better at hovering and on Altitude and Position Control modes in INAV than the 405 boards on my quadcopters.
Absolutely, will be testet soon. The 743 has also two more PWM outputs which is perfect.
F35: finally a worthy opponent Our Battle will be Legendary
Yes!
Also, have you thought about using a net under the aircraft during hover testing? IE, take off, then raise the net up .5m or whatever?
I need some thrill, so no net at the moment.
Moin Rene, du druckst ja all deine Modelle mit PLA, wie sieht es da aus mit dem Verzug bei UV-Strahlung und hoher Temperatur auf dem Flugplatz?
Grüße
Große Mittagshitze meide ich, ansonsten kann ich keine Veränderung festellen.
Shut up and take my money! I want it so bad! Also are there plans for compatibility with the folding wing missile? If not will there be a way to buy STP files or something that can be edited in cad?
We think out it, when there is enouth liftpower, it will make a VTOL version for the MC-30 cruiser.
It looks like an F35 and a SU-57 had a love child
Please tell nobody!
@renerosentraeger 😂 it's actually a very attractive mix...
How much What would this plane cost if I ordered it from you?
I am not experienced enough I like RC airplanes but wanted to ask if in the setup you used thrust control with curve or not? I think if the thrust given to the airplane with some kind of curve will give more time for the controller to do adjustments and reduce the shakey behaviour
I am inspired from you ❤❤❤
Wish one day I can get 3d printer and start do this things
Love you 🎉🎉🎉
Cool👍
Hi René
Waiting vtol release !
Why don't you add under optical flow sensor (realy small weight) improving automatic vtol / ground control ?
It's a shame the gear is tied to the motor rotation, means it won't be able to do conventional take off or landings and taxi?
Dont´t worry, this is just the basic VTOL version, others will have full functional retracts.
@@renerosentraeger Awesome, just bought a Bambu printer mainly to print the vtol. You guys are great.
In case you happen to read this, I humbly request you look at the following aircraft for a future project the tandem seat, Rafale for another jet and the Hawker Sea Fury for a prop fighter.
Very cool! Does the yaw control work similar to a quadcopter while in VTOL mode?
How did you get your servos to travel 180 degrees?
Increase weight to 120% in tx or firmware is one way of doing it or making sure you buy servos that do more than 90°
With a servo expander.
Are there any plans to release Gcodes for purchases?
Only STL/3mf. Gcode is too specific... just for some printers useable.
ich kaufe mir auch das speedybee mini board
Hi, planning to get a bambu lab A1, will this printer be enough to print this plane? Do you provide configuration files or gcode for this specific printer as part of the purchase?
Thanks
Yes A1 is good p1p or x1c would be better. The files are prepared for bambustudio. So all filament settings are already done.
Could you print gears for the wing fan doors so you can only use one servo to open them?
The jet looks great, congratulations on getting this far!
For what it's worth, PID control is *entirely* unsuitable for such an aircraft.
I'm afraid that, if you stick with a PID control law (or really any control law that assumes you have a Linear Time Invariant system), you're going to either waste a *LOT* of time fruitlessly searching for 'good enough' parameter values, or you'll eventually need to seriously limit the aircraft's closed loop performance to a regime where small-angle approximations are valid.
I also strongly object to PID control being shown as an appropriate control system choice for projects in the 21'st century. It's deceptive simplicity just acts to lure in precisely those amateur or student engineers who are most liable to get stuck in a frustrating guess-and-check tuning loop, desperately trying to find good parameters even when their project is mathematically uncontrollable by a simple PID control law.
Even (or perhaps especially) for those that have no-one to help them and who are unwilling or unable to learn the basic math and tools of introductory discrete time control theory, I would rather advise a visual and computer aided design process.
When dealing with a SISO (Single Input Single Output, i.e. no coupling between modes or inputs) LTI system, something as simple as Matlab's automated System ID toolbox, coupled with a z-transform visualization in Simulink (to vastly simplify the tuning process), should reliably provide good results in a fraction of the time.
As for highly non-linear MIMO systems, such as this aircraft, I honestly think the simplest proper solution would be to seperate Guidance, Navigation and Control into their own feedback loops and to utilize MPC (Model Predictive Control) with an *Unscented* Kalman Filter to provide state estimation.
Hello! Your videos are very intrestig I like it! But have questnion. During 3d printing of many parts you mayby got some mistakes and have old planes that you will not use. What are you do with plastic waste? Are you have shreder and furnace to recicle? If yes what models do you exactly use?
What software are you running on the F405? Betaflight, or ardupilot, or something else?
It is running INAV.
Hmm Angle modus ist der der automatisch versucht den Flieger grade zu halten ... Ich weiß nicht ob euch das autotune Feature hilft... (Alle meiner Flugzeuge und Drohne haben ein inav Setup drauf und fliegen meist erst Nachdem autotune gut .. vorher hab ich meistens auch irre Oszillationen drinn)
Wir werden esl ausprobieren, danke!
@renerosentraeger hier noch ein paar Tipps.
1. Ein schalter an der Fernsteuerung auf autotune stellen ( auch in inav programmieren )
2. Mit aktivem autotune fliegen (am besten bei keinem wind und höher als im ground Effekt)
Zusätzlich das roll und Nickverhalten ausprobieren (nur so "lernt' der flight Controller das Flugverhalten und passt die regler entsprechend an)
3.wenn alles passt:
Landen und Nicht ausschalten ... Ansonsten vergisst der FC die werte ... Einfach an den pc anschließen und auf irgendeiner seite von inav auf safe and reboot gehen
(Bei den speedybee FCs geht es auch über deren app und via Bluetooth/ wlan ... Laptop ist zum Glück dafür nicht notwendig)
Why don't you connect to the FC via Bluetooth? There even is a speedybee app to make changes in INAV, especially in your case PID gains (drop the P, up the D) on the go😄
PID autotune also works pretty well on INAV 7. Have you considered just ditching the Matek PDB? The integrated SpeedyBee PDB has a pretty decent BEC and the current sensor should be able to handle those 90A (I admit though to not having checked this). I'm not sure if it's possible to feed the analog signal for the current into the RSSI pad. Although the pin is connected to an ADC, INAV doesn't give you an easy way to just reassign it to be your current-measurement. For that, you would have to either create a new INAV target for this FC or switch to ardupilot.
Замечательно
What happened to the VTOL Berkut?
Is on holiday
👏👏👏...😜👌
Is the one on your site VTOL ready or not yet?
not ready yet.
👍💪✌
666
So you successfully converted? Everything else is nonsense
I can Betatest and give you Feedback. From Germany.
Woher kommst du?
@renerosentraeger Rheinland Pfalz, bei karlsruhe