A Combat Robot Weapon that NEVER STOPS SPINNING

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  • Опубліковано 9 січ 2025

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  • @SharkyMoto
    @SharkyMoto 2 місяці тому +1385

    what if you add a hole perpendicular to the blade so it makes a scary whistle sound, psychological warfare, you know?

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 місяці тому +482

      Ooh I like that idea !

    • @edwardfletcher7790
      @edwardfletcher7790 2 місяці тому +118

      This is a Genius idea !!!
      Stuka dive bomber "Jericho Trumpets" 🎺👍
      Dark Mode for the Win 🏆

    • @RiverWilliamson
      @RiverWilliamson 2 місяці тому +54

      That's sadistic. I LIKE IT

    • @MarinusMakesStuff
      @MarinusMakesStuff 2 місяці тому +29

      @@edwardfletcher7790 Yuep. Stuka was the first thing I thought of as well. Those must have been horrifying to hear.

    • @MicroWazzle
      @MicroWazzle 2 місяці тому +7

      @@MakersMuse Please do this It'd be so amazing

  • @un1t_one
    @un1t_one 2 місяці тому +202

    Hi from the AM32 team! 😊
    Thanks a ton for the shoutout! We’re really excited to see AM32 being used in fighting robots-it's awesome to see our work in action! Keep those bots spinning strong, and reach out anytime if you want to swap tips with other robot builders. 💥🤖
    Best of luck in the arena!

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 місяці тому +29

      Awesome work on some incredible firmware guys!

    • @goeland86
      @goeland86 2 місяці тому +7

      This is the second use I've heard of for AM32... My first time was when I went to pick up my desktop CNC mill... He uses it for the spindle control. Using a 500W brushless motor, it gives great results! 😁

  • @operator8014
    @operator8014 2 місяці тому +258

    With Solidworks, if you select the center of mass and the center of the hub ring, you can lock them to coincide, then the program will automatically adjust the unlocked components of the drawing to keep them on top of each other. Then you can drag them around to whatever shape and position you want, locking the parts you like as you go.

    • @AlitaGunm99
      @AlitaGunm99 2 місяці тому +9

      Did not know this; that would be very useful. Thanks!

    • @150Gianluca
      @150Gianluca 2 місяці тому +25

      Solidworks is just miles ahead of Fusion. Ever tried to define planes in Fusion? Nightmare. But Fusion is free and SW is $4k minimum

    • @operator8014
      @operator8014 2 місяці тому +13

      @@150Gianluca Fair point... I must admit that I never payed for it. XD

    • @Thing.Appreciator
      @Thing.Appreciator 2 місяці тому +12

      @@150Gianluca They have a Maker version they don't advertise, worth looking into

    • @150Gianluca
      @150Gianluca 2 місяці тому +2

      @@Thing.Appreciator it's still a few grand for the most basic package. SolidWorks is a few grand for the most extensive package with generative design, FEA and CFD simulations. It's a good option for hobby use, and basic 2.5D designs, but not for a complete design suite. It has weird constraints and often undefinable (want a plane 45° to another plane? Better hope the default angle offset is what you want). It also doesn't allow for backwards constraint changes. ALSO there's certain angles you just can't rotate to, that one's super annoying

  • @Eric_Wolfe-Schulte
    @Eric_Wolfe-Schulte 2 місяці тому +289

    Hey chat, if you're doing anything combat robot related, please do it inside a test box. I'm sure that Angus has taken the proper precautions here, but the kinetic energy stored in these types of weapons is equivalent or higher to common pistol bullets, and if something goes wrong drywall or an interior (hollow) door will not save you.

    • @mandrakejake
      @mandrakejake 2 місяці тому +41

      Flywheels are scary and should be respected!

    • @adamnash2009
      @adamnash2009 2 місяці тому +46

      ​@@mandrakejakeEveryone gangsta until the flywheel hits 22,000rpm 😂

    • @quantumview8151
      @quantumview8151 2 місяці тому +17

      I think it starts getting to that energy in the 3lb weight class, but i'm sure even a typical 150 gram weight class spinner could make short work of human flesh. Yes, always use a test box.

    • @pedro.alcatra
      @pedro.alcatra 2 місяці тому +1

      Thankfully spin conservation as at our sides. Just be at it sides.

    • @bami2
      @bami2 2 місяці тому +27

      @@pedro.alcatra No, that is absolutely bad advice. The gyroscopic forces of a spinning weapon can make it behave completely unpredictable. In the blink of an eye a stationary clamped bot with the weapon spinning can flip around and launch a piece of debris at any angle which can bounce off any surface with enough energy to do some serious damage.
      If you test a spinning weapon of any weight class, you either need distance (so that ricochets lose most of their energy) and a shield or have it completely enclosed in bullet proof materials.
      Trying to predict where shrapnel will fly is a fools game.

  • @TheNitroG1
    @TheNitroG1 2 місяці тому +125

    13:37 seems like it slides around a bit between off and max speed. like the rotor is being pushed off of the stator from the intensity of the magnetic field. Because it slides right back once it's dialed down.

    • @1992jamo
      @1992jamo 2 місяці тому +16

      Just needs something to retain it, maybe a tiny thrust bearing either side?

    • @dragos240alt
      @dragos240alt 2 місяці тому +4

      leet

    • @grimreader5571
      @grimreader5571 2 місяці тому

      Incorrect

    • @tissuepaper9962
      @tissuepaper9962 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@1992jamoi think in such a small application it would be better to just size the shaft for a press fit with the inner race of those two ball bearings so that they can't slide around on the stationary shaft. those bearings aren't really meant to take axial loads but it's only a small amount of force pushing the rotor around side to side.

    • @tissuepaper9962
      @tissuepaper9962 2 місяці тому +3

      ​@@1992jamo you could also just use red loctite and call it a day. it's an antweight after all.

  • @dogjutsufpv3813
    @dogjutsufpv3813 2 місяці тому +53

    Tip for a perfectly balanced weapon blade design:
    1. Create a roughly balanced blade design without your center mounting cutout(s).
    2. Display its center-of-mass.
    3. Create a side view sketch, zoom all the way in on the center-of-mass, and drop a point right on it.
    4. Center your mounting cutout(s) on the sketch point.
    Much easier than trying to tweak your sketch in tiny increments, and you can get 'perfect' balance this way (not that the manufactured blade will be perfectly balanced, especially after some combat, but at least the design is this way with little fuss).

    • @jimurrata6785
      @jimurrata6785 2 місяці тому +10

      Angus could get a bigger "bite" with his tooth if he were to reduce the counterweight size by inserting a tungsten slug, like we do with automotive crankshafts.

    • @nicholasweiss4662
      @nicholasweiss4662 2 місяці тому +1

      @@jimurrata6785 That would definiteley work, but then center of mass calculations become very hard and tolerances would mean that it will not be balanced after assembly. Having to then fix the center of mass by grindig away material requires a balancing tool and a lot of patience.
      Thats all to say that this idea, while great in theory, would make this design a lot more difficult. Maybe when the time comes for V2 and hee needs things to improve this could be among them.

    • @jimurrata6785
      @jimurrata6785 2 місяці тому

      @nicholasweiss4662 I'm really surprised there's not a way to do it in software, given we know the density of tungsten or Mallory Metal.
      But the rpms are pretty crazy and impact will go up in square to velocity

    • @dogjutsufpv3813
      @dogjutsufpv3813 2 місяці тому

      @@jimurrata6785 In practice, he probably has plenty of potential bite from the blade geometry.. it's usually more a matter of relative closing velocity to the other bot vs weapon RPM / number of cutting 'teeth' the blade has.

    • @1992jamo
      @1992jamo 2 місяці тому

      ​@@dogjutsufpv3813 "it's usually more a matter of relative closing velocity to the other bot vs weapon RPM / number of cutting 'teeth' the blade has.".
      I get what you're saying, but I disagree. You want to hit with the teeth at maximum depth, so your closing speed must be enough to travel the tooth depth in full. The fewer teeth on the blade, the more time you get per revolution to reach maximum depth for the impact. Of course the larger the tooth, the larger the requirement of closing speed.

  • @tvrv9774
    @tvrv9774 2 місяці тому +10

    This looks like ABSOLUTE FUN. As a 5-year manual lathe machinist... a bit of sand paper goes a LONG way.... hand polishing shafts and bores to +/- .0002" can be done... I had to do it all the time running manual lathes. The next step is understanding proper fit tolerances. Just a few tricks for you to hide up there in your noggin for the future. Maybe if i start to find some extra time in my future the ant weight battle bots sound like something I would love to do. Thank you for the video and the Today I Learned moment for me.

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 місяці тому +1

      Cheers! Yeah my downfall was trying to drill out the 8mm bearing holes with,,, a drill bit. Obviously it wasn't going to precise but I was hoping epoxy would let me get away with it. A reamer would solve the issue, but costs more than the part from PCBWay haha. There's robot events all the time all over the world! Robotcombatevents . com is a great place to look.

  • @jsal92
    @jsal92 2 місяці тому +173

    That cat at 0:30 is judging every decision I've made in my life

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 місяці тому +36

      Me too buddy

    • @jsal92
      @jsal92 2 місяці тому +5

      @ I think a video on the “judges” is in order. Maybe some info on pets and workshop/machines combo too?

    • @Gusakiy
      @Gusakiy 2 місяці тому

      @@MakersMuse stop reading peoples thoughts, you demon

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 місяці тому +7

      @@jsal92 Haha did two videos previous about them! I made a puzzle and remote controlled toy for them to chase.

  • @Duraltia
    @Duraltia 2 місяці тому +115

    I think the most valuable bit of Information in this Video was the thing about Bambu Lab now stocking Maker related stuff like Bearings, Motors, Slip Rings, etc... one might be tempted to buy in a pinch when already buying Filaments from them - *_BUT_* - Bruh... Those prices for a *_single_* Bearing / Micromotor... I'm gonna stick with AliE for my Maker Needs cause for maybe a little bit more I'm usually getting on 5-10x the amount of Bearings / Micromotors on AliE.

    • @emuboy85
      @emuboy85 2 місяці тому +4

      I was surprised, but, also, why? I just don't get companies that becomes Jack of All Trades, it's a dangerous game.

    • @Jehty_
      @Jehty_ 2 місяці тому +3

      @@emuboy85 Why is it dangerous?

    • @privacyvalued4134
      @privacyvalued4134 2 місяці тому +5

      @@Jehty_ "Jack of all Trades, Master of None" is an old adage that tends to hold true. When a company focuses on what they do best, they can be the best. Comes with the risk of one day being obsolete though. A good example to watch for: A lot AC companies also do plumbing (and vice versa) but they ultimately end up being good at neither. The best AC companies focus exclusively on AC/Heating systems. And the best plumbers focus exclusively on plumbing. The very worst try to do both.

    • @jonathana.1802
      @jonathana.1802 2 місяці тому +2

      @Jehty_ the quality of their main venture decrease. Like Google and Microsoft

    • @Jehty_
      @Jehty_ 2 місяці тому +5

      @@privacyvalued4134 we are talking about selling a few more items.
      I don't get how any of what you wrote would apply to that.

  • @beehphy
    @beehphy 2 місяці тому +62

    The rotor may overheat in this design, consider adding "ram air" holes through the rotor/striker. The top of an out-runner motor is perforated to make a crude cetripital fan, to cool the windings and magnets. The striker will cool the magnets, but without good airflow the motor windings can overheat and the enamel fails. This can cause shorts and fry the ESC.

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 місяці тому +34

      The fights last for 3min max so it's unlikely to saturate in that time honestly, but tiny angled holes might channel air and also make a pretty cool whistle 🤔

    • @pedro.alcatra
      @pedro.alcatra 2 місяці тому +8

      @@MakersMuse I want to hear that WHISTLE. dang

    • @dfischer000
      @dfischer000 2 місяці тому +2

      given the RPM and the size of both the motor and holes I don't think we can hear the whistle (at least after winding up).
      but maybe dogs or bats could ;-)

    • @AM-dc7pv
      @AM-dc7pv 2 місяці тому +1

      @@dfischer000 Partially obstructing the air entrainment intake with a rubber flange tapered to the apogee, or something like that...basically, a rubber flap, and as the air cycles around, it'll sound like a comical diarrhea or long fart noise distinct and audible enough to pick out.
      "Which one is yours?"
      "The one that sounds like it ate a lot of Taco Bell and clobbering the other one to death to use the toilet."
      "Ohhh, okay."

  • @PCBWay
    @PCBWay 2 місяці тому +48

    We are truly honored to be a part of your remarkable campaign!😊

  • @MarinusMakesStuff
    @MarinusMakesStuff 2 місяці тому +26

    Looking awesome as ever Angus. In my country, RC toys like drones are really strongly regulated. This sadly also results in RC hobby in general being only a small hobby and most people only drive RC cars and boats, but the amount of hobbyists is steadily decreasing. Most RC shops have closed both online and offline. It's a damn shame. Maybe I'll make my own bot one day but I won't have people to fight in my area! It's still a dream for me, ever since I started watching Robot Wars when I was a kid on the BBC in the 90's. Man I loved Craig Charles's enthusiasm!

    • @4DCResinSmoker
      @4DCResinSmoker 2 місяці тому +1

      Yeah, for me Germany is RC Hell. Too many regulations, and Karen's that have PHD's on aeronautics.

    • @madbull4666
      @madbull4666 2 місяці тому +1

      Is the regs just on drones/planes or is it on everything RC related?

  • @TheOneAndOnlySatan
    @TheOneAndOnlySatan 2 місяці тому +16

    Thanks for the AM32 mention, i didnt know it before and i could use rhis in other rc projects ! ❤

    • @ColinWatters
      @ColinWatters 2 місяці тому +2

      I've just upgraded the motor in a cheap lawn strimmer to a brushless motor. Controller was programmed using an adaptor to connect it to my laptop. Worked well.

  • @Suzuki_Hiakura
    @Suzuki_Hiakura Місяць тому +2

    was recommended this rather randomly... figured it was a military combat robot, and figured that the bearing in the thumbnail would be an amazing design I could incorperate into a project... not sure what tbh... have very few at the moment. Most exotic project atm is making a salt water battery that can be made in the event of societal collapse, just cause it would be cool, while the least out there one would be a desk I am rather proud of and nearly finished... did cut my hand open a bit this morning, shaving part of the legs (uneven wooden lengths that jut out due to cutting it in small passes, flipping, and repeating); only had a pocket knife and it slipped on a knot in the wood.
    Rant over. Hope it boosts engagement enough to recommend to more people lol. Super cool video. Love the little crafts people make.

  • @mexicosfinest8380
    @mexicosfinest8380 2 місяці тому +13

    7:30 "The 4140 blades are crazy heavy compared to the titanium blades. This is because steel is heavier than feathers."

    • @im_ricebowl
      @im_ricebowl 2 місяці тому +2

      "but steel is heavier than feathers...." "yes, but they're both a kilogram" 😟

    • @Ixidora
      @Ixidora Місяць тому

      Being pedantic here.
      A pound of Steel and feathers actually weigh the same however when discussing precious metals troy ounces and pounds are used which are in fact less than an imperial pound used to measure steel and feathers.
      TL/DR:
      Precious metals are weighed with different units and that means a pound of gold is lighter than a pound of feathers or steel.

    • @mexicosfinest8380
      @mexicosfinest8380 Місяць тому

      @@Ixidora But steel is heavier than feathers.

    • @Ixidora
      @Ixidora Місяць тому

      @mexicosfinest8380
      Steel has a higher density than feathers but 1 pound of steel is equal to 1 pound of feathers, the feathers would just take up a LOT more volume.

    • @mexicosfinest8380
      @mexicosfinest8380 Місяць тому

      @@Ixidora I don't get it.

  • @Wizarth
    @Wizarth 2 місяці тому +13

    The idea that a speed controller can pulse the motor to produce tones blew my mind.

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 місяці тому +7

      you can even program in new melodies! it's super neat

    • @tissuepaper9962
      @tissuepaper9962 2 місяці тому +8

      a motor is just a very inefficient speaker and an ESC/VFD is just a very specialized audio amplifier. they're electrically identical, but with diametrically opposed goals in their mechanical design.

    • @RyTrapp0
      @RyTrapp0 Місяць тому

      "Fucking magnets, how do they work?"

    • @qldgadgets
      @qldgadgets Місяць тому

      Aye, my quad copters play noises when you arm them

  • @Sugar3Glider
    @Sugar3Glider 2 місяці тому +3

    Build me a pacifist bot... Instead of specializing in attacks, it suctions itself to the floor. The idea is to drive into the enemy weapon head-on, causing the other bot to then yeet itself across the arena.

  • @pcfronin
    @pcfronin 2 місяці тому +33

    this has real "Be the reason the rules are written" vibes

  • @HuntersOA
    @HuntersOA 2 місяці тому +16

    Jesus that little weapon is terrifying :D

  • @Otamatone_Productions
    @Otamatone_Productions 2 місяці тому +19

    0:36 WHAT?!! WHERE IS YOUR NORMAL INTRO!? I WANNA EXPLORE MICROSCOPIC WORLDS!!

  • @punishedprops
    @punishedprops 2 місяці тому +2

    DUDE! What a ridiculous weapon. Can't wait to see more!

  • @PaulG.x
    @PaulG.x 2 місяці тому +26

    You should use one of the Loctite bearing retainers , not whatever that blue stuff was. The bearing retainers are designed for this purpose.

    • @GrumpyIan
      @GrumpyIan 2 місяці тому +1

      That's why I only use red Loctite on the lug nuts on my car.

  • @DemsW
    @DemsW 2 місяці тому +5

    One of your greatest videos imo, great pacing.

  • @alainassaf
    @alainassaf 2 місяці тому +15

    14:20 I hope you didn't 3D-print the white motor thrust stand because if you did, with time and vibrations its gonna crack and the machined weapon is gonna go berserk in a random direction

    • @NigelTolley
      @NigelTolley 2 місяці тому

      I thought the same, but it was really well balanced, so there was no visible vibration. And Angus probably used a fancy strong filament anyway.

    • @alainassaf
      @alainassaf 2 місяці тому

      @@NigelTolley How can he know in advance that the component will be balanced ? As we say in quadcopter building "don't do it but if you're gonna do it anyway... than film it"

  • @JeffGeerling
    @JeffGeerling Місяць тому +2

    13:40 lol I don't even want to be in the same room as that thing, much less the same arena! Nice design.

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  Місяць тому

      Haha cheers! It's got a nice hum to it for sure

  • @markwatters6875
    @markwatters6875 2 місяці тому +3

    Love your supervisor laying in front of the window 😁👍🇦🇺

  • @FryGuy1013
    @FryGuy1013 2 місяці тому +1

    Me and a friend made a hubmotor like this with his lathe for a [150g] Antweight a few days before competition like 15 years ago. It turned out about as well as your manual attempt, but on top of that we accidentally broke one of the tiny copper wires on the motor and couldn't get a replacement for it in time for the event and we lost interest in 150g robots after that. Good job on this one making it actually work :)

  • @Danny30197
    @Danny30197 2 місяці тому +25

    Name your custom blade "The Hellephant"

  • @DoctorNemmo
    @DoctorNemmo 2 місяці тому +3

    This looks impressive ! Congratulations. There's no better feeling than imagining something in your head and seeing it realized.

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 місяці тому +2

      Cheers! Yeah i've wanted to make something like this for years... took me a while to wrap my head around the mechanical design honestly but in the end it's quite simple.

  • @HolmesHobbies
    @HolmesHobbies 2 місяці тому +2

    Sine startup plus no stall protection would give fastest spool up from a stalling hit and its won't stop trying. The stall protect is what got you on the other robot, not the sine start.

  • @grantcatdone3417
    @grantcatdone3417 2 місяці тому +13

    Idk why but the concept for this video is funny because off the shelf hubmotors do exist. There are two ant sized hubs from repeat robotics and just cuz robotics and they are pretty indestructible.
    Nevermind he mean 150g "antweights"

    • @engineered_cha0s
      @engineered_cha0s 2 місяці тому +4

      It's also just more fun to custom engineer stuff yourself (: (aforementioned fun may or may not Include much trial and error and money)

    • @jort93z
      @jort93z 2 місяці тому

      Antweight means 150g about everywhere except the US.

    • @jnevercast
      @jnevercast 2 місяці тому +3

      fairyweights you'd call them, yeh, not 1lb

  • @TheEvilGlassRectangle
    @TheEvilGlassRectangle 2 місяці тому +2

    Can’t wait for part 2! This process is fascinating and inspiring

  • @joemck74
    @joemck74 Місяць тому +1

    That was scary smooth. It's incredible what engineers can do at home now. Even only 20 years ago creating that part would have taken an actual company several months and hundreds of expensive man-hours with various prototypes and dead-ends resulting in it costing tens of thousands of pounds.
    If only you or Tom Stanton or someone could discover the secret of anti-gravs. You could make everything needed and have the instructions uploaded publicly before the Exxon assassins came for you!

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  Місяць тому

      haha! Yeah it's incredible what kind of tech people have access to now. I don't think most even realise just how affordable it has become. Don't worry, if I finally crack antigrav I'll post it to every platform before they can shut me down.

  • @executor485
    @executor485 2 місяці тому +2

    Thank you for the teaser... That's GENUINELY terrifying! I'm now awaiting the robot that can beat this!

  • @aequanimus63247
    @aequanimus63247 Місяць тому +1

    Looks sick Angus! Excited to see where you go from here.

  • @Larken42
    @Larken42 2 місяці тому +1

    13:33 I can FEEL the pucker in that room when it started to resonate

  • @ellabun
    @ellabun 2 місяці тому +1

    Your blade is a simple extrusion: you can draw a dividing line and select the profiles to see the area of either side, without having to pop out of sketch mode and calculate center of mass with every adjustment.
    It's instant, even works with splines, and will help you in deriving a mathematically driven sketch in place of trial and error! :)
    (with a lot of algebra, trig, time, and headaches, you can even sketch this up "parametrically" with pen and paper!)

    • @engineered_cha0s
      @engineered_cha0s 2 місяці тому

      while this does work for simple geometries like a rectangle, unfortunately simply having the same amount of material (or area as the sketch is in 2d) on either side of the desired centre of mass isn't enough for every case for a few reasons. most notably because the distance of each point of mass from the desired centre also plays a role in calculations

  • @IstasPumaNevada
    @IstasPumaNevada 2 місяці тому +1

    I feel like rounding the tooth support on the leading edge might reduce wind resistance (which is considerable at that RPM) and let you get higher speeds or lower power use.
    (Leave the trailing edge square; it improves flow separation.)
    I'm not sure how much effect it'd have at scales this small, but I think it'd be worth a comparison test.

  • @MikkoRantalainen
    @MikkoRantalainen 2 місяці тому +1

    I think your cutting head should have slot for machining inserts. Just in case you cannot flip the enemy, you can machine a new slot in their body. Just go with roughing insert with a large nose radius and the insert should last pretty long. And if you can have suitable slot in the cutting head, go with negative turning insert.

  • @lasersbee
    @lasersbee 2 місяці тому +6

    13:37.. It looks like there is play in the magnet housing (moves left and right slightly when applying/removing power).
    The Magnets may not be aligned/centered on the rotor... or just too much end play.

    • @xxportalxx.
      @xxportalxx. 2 місяці тому +2

      Yeah I just commented on that myself, you only see it at near max speed, and it reverts when slowing down, I was guessing the motor commutation was getting off (i.e. the blade wasn't actually reaching the speed the controller was trying to push, so the magnets were getting repelled axially rather than radialy).

  • @consoot
    @consoot Місяць тому +3

    1:48 why is bro's cat staring at the camera tha way?💀

  • @chakrax101
    @chakrax101 2 місяці тому

    This is SO cool!
    What an awesome blade, that SPEED was killer too!
    Looking forward to part 2!

  • @BurninGems
    @BurninGems 2 місяці тому +2

    Best PCBway commercial hidden as a cool video. Love those ants!

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 місяці тому +3

      I try to only work with sponsors that are actually meaningful, PCBWay make some legit good parts!

  • @engineered_cha0s
    @engineered_cha0s 2 місяці тому +3

    This is an insane weapon in basically every metric! Loving the slo-mo shots too (I may be biased toward some 😅) ive been considering developing a hubmotor for a y&d mk3 aswell as another ant idea i have... can't wait for the next one

  • @grapsorz
    @grapsorz 2 місяці тому +1

    by the look of your design you can use WAY bigger bearings with a smal redesign. just make another support on the side where the bearings is that is threaded over the 4mm shaft then have the shaft for the bearing on that. this will up the support and the bearing size to bigger then skateboard bearings if you need that.

  • @calvinwright5040
    @calvinwright5040 2 місяці тому

    Those esc are awesome!! I can't believe how far electronics have come, i want to make a small rc car with those motors in the hub, getting rid of the driveshafts and differential. It's probably going to break the magnets from high speed impacts but i would love to try.

  • @jimmyhackers8980
    @jimmyhackers8980 2 місяці тому +3

    i told dave moulds to use a magnetic clutch instead of a belt YEARS AGO, back when we were at school. he politely told me to "f off with my poncey idea"
    im always ahead of my time :(

    • @ianmcmahon8589
      @ianmcmahon8589 2 місяці тому +1

      Magnetic clutches work but tuning is harder than belts, and your clutch surface is custom.

  • @beautifulsmall
    @beautifulsmall 2 місяці тому

    Impressive work, at one rally I talked to a barrel spinner maker who moved to pin roller bearings after many ball race failures.

  • @abundantharmony
    @abundantharmony 2 місяці тому +1

    I'm calling it. Those magnets will be shattered after one super hard impact.

  • @Alex-xl4xe
    @Alex-xl4xe 2 місяці тому +8

    Designing a thing around it's weapon is what happened to the A10 and that thing is pretty cool as well. So good luck!

  • @gsdtdeaux7
    @gsdtdeaux7 Місяць тому

    Green locktite 609 is designed for press fit applications. But the reds work too. Red 271 and 277, 277 being the thicker one. Great video as usual 🤘

  • @sulphur_fpv
    @sulphur_fpv 2 місяці тому +1

    That esc is 40a max and has stuff all caps on it, adding a low esr capacitor to it might help filter out voltage spikes especially when stalling the motor however there are a lot better escs out there for not much more $. You would have to get a blheli32 esc tho at the moment and flash am32 to it which is pretty easy. Blheli32 is closed source but is now not supported or issuing any more licences so the quadcopter hobby is moving to am32, manufacturers are slowly switching all there escs to am32 but it's taking them a while as I am guessing they are using up the licences that they have already purchased. Also curious why you max out the timing? As this is a setting that has to do with the timing of when a pole is charged in relation to magnet position and having it set to max could lessen the torque of the motor from what I understand.

  • @CircuitHusky
    @CircuitHusky 2 місяці тому +1

    Just gonna continue to be that guy who points out the awesome looking 3D printed head base in the back there, always teasing us with something each video >.

  • @marwerno
    @marwerno Місяць тому

    13:26 I took cover when I saw and heard than thing spin up... if that one goes... it WILL do some serious damage...
    But wondering on the titanium bit. Wouldn't more mass be better for damage -> steel?

  • @AlainSainz
    @AlainSainz 2 місяці тому +1

    Amazing work! Love the design. Can't wait to see it in action.

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 місяці тому +1

      Cheers! Either way it'll be pretty destructive ;)

  • @oculusangelicus8978
    @oculusangelicus8978 2 місяці тому

    It's a good thing that you used lock-tite as the adhesive for the hub, so many UA-camrs are in the habit of using Superglue to adhere things. However, you might find that the adhesive is the weak link in the chain, and could end up with a spinning hub if you fall into the "perfect" situation. I would suggest using solder to hold the hub in the spinning blade. a little bit of solder paste and a heat gun would lock that hub into place and keep it there for all, but the most catastrophic of impacts. Even then, there is still a solid chance of the hub breaking loose, but you could be positive with a press fit and solder adhesion that you would have done your very best under reasonable circumstances. Great Job designing that blade, a perfectly balanced blade with only 1 angry/hungry tooth is going to give you the best possible bite, just remember speed is everything. if you ramp that motor up to maximum RPM any small encroachments to the blade are still going to act like a "grinder" so perhaps lowering the speed to a few thousand rpm would give the better chance to take a bigger bite or even less rpm. with the mass of your blade it certainly is going to send an enemy robot flying around the cage even at 1000 rpm! But you are well aware of that at this point since it is old hat for you. Great video, thanks for sharing!

  • @LA6NPA
    @LA6NPA 2 місяці тому +4

    I see the blade is moving about 1mm to the left at higher speeds? But there shouldn't be that much play in the bearings, right? Are the bearings moving on the shaft? Will the motor have more torque if it didn't move? Maybe machine a shaft with a sholder to stop the bearings from sliding away from the stator? I'd try to get some old, broken leaf spring for this, as it's probably the cheapest you can get for lots of material for future parts that will be super strong and not shatter.
    Anyway, I completely agree with your approach here! It's a lot easier than trying to make it yourself!
    I see one improvement possible in the future, and that would be trying to source magnets that are less brittle. The neodymium magnets you're using are sintered, and so are samarium-cobalt (SmCo) magnets, that may be an alternative if you need higher temperature tolerances. Both are brittle.
    Less brittle are injection molded magnets, but I haven't bothered to figure out how strong they are compared to neodymium or SmCo. They can be molded into basically any shape, though, and since the hole in the weapon can basically be any size and shape, they could be any size too. Also, since you're not machining this part, having perfect slots for magnets of exact size would make placing them accurately a breeze. Do magnets need to be electrically isolated? Hope not! 😄

  • @viewatyourownrisk
    @viewatyourownrisk 2 місяці тому

    At 13:30 during the speed test, it looked like the rotor and stator started to separate. I don't know if that's a problem, so this is just a call out if it matters.
    Thanks for the video

  • @Bill_Bacon
    @Bill_Bacon 2 місяці тому +1

    Your blade looks scalable. Oil your bearings, no grease. Your arena looks cool. 😎

  • @SantX27
    @SantX27 2 місяці тому

    The wheel of destruction never stops spinning. That thing is going to do some nasty damage, I can't wait to see part 2!

  • @TheRealVicthor
    @TheRealVicthor 19 днів тому

    Bro thanks I have been searching for a good explanation of a motor

  • @AlexSouthwell
    @AlexSouthwell 2 місяці тому

    I assume someone else has said this but if you heat up the blade and cool down the motor you get a small amount of growth and shrinkage. meaning you can make your blades ID slightly smaller than the motor od. then put them together and when the parts return to normal temps they are never coming apart. common industry trick

  • @driives
    @driives Місяць тому

    That is the cleanest sound and btw I maxed my headphones to hear ALL of it!

  • @Josh_8300
    @Josh_8300 Місяць тому

    Too late for this model. But look into the hall effect principle and how it is used to shape bell housings of brushless dc motors. Former sponsored high speed drone racing pilot here. As well as one of 2 ppl who created the first brushless quad motor to use the hall effect to design a bell housing that reflected and amplified the magnetic fields of the n52 pasted to the bell. Tesla motors use this same emf reflection to substantially increase power with the same energy in. Stator/coil to magnet spacing has a HUGE impact as well. But super tight tolerances may be difficult to maintain when constantly striking things. Gl on the next ones. Hope this helps or gets you thinking.

  • @WoLpH
    @WoLpH 2 місяці тому

    11:35 To make your programming a bit easier, buy a few pogo-pins and 3d print a holder so you don't have to solder the wires.

  • @sulphur_fpv
    @sulphur_fpv 2 місяці тому

    Also, not sure if it would be beneficial for the application or not but you could check the bidirectional box in the settings to give you both forward and reverse on the motor, doing so doesn't impact the motors power output, it just half's your amount of resolution on your radio channel but I don't see how that would be a problem as I am guessing that for what it's doing it would not need that great of a throttle control anyway.

  • @steveperson5686
    @steveperson5686 Місяць тому

    13:48 "so stoked" I was SO NERVOUS that thing was gonna blow apart XD

  • @nWestie
    @nWestie Місяць тому

    Hub motors are just starting to become a thing that's sold for US 1/3 lb scales which is super fun, just - cus has a couple designs. Your weapon looks pretty solid too tho, best of luck!

  • @mikegLXIVMM
    @mikegLXIVMM Місяць тому

    I had no idea there were Battlebots of this small scale. - Cool!

  • @CaptCorgi
    @CaptCorgi 2 місяці тому +1

    the rotor ring coming free worries me a bit, maybe you could heat the weapon blade and insert the ring while its hot, giving in a interference fit and making it more unstoppable

  • @calebmichie2854
    @calebmichie2854 Місяць тому

    You should look into grinding hss on a lathe. Thers angles that are more optimal for cutting. Implement them so you have a better chance to "dig in" to the competitor

  • @TheNolok3428
    @TheNolok3428 2 місяці тому +2

    Very cool project! Keep up the great work. But I have to say you would be better off using some other glue than locktight, it is simply not the best for a job like this.

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 місяці тому +1

      It's a pretty snug fit so should be OK, but if there was any free play an epoxy would have definitely been the better choice. Will see how it performs anyhow!

  • @gordhenschel1419
    @gordhenschel1419 Місяць тому +1

    I'm stoked too! Hurry up!

  • @buildersmark
    @buildersmark 2 місяці тому

    Very cool build! Look forward to seeing what's next.

  • @chrisanderson687
    @chrisanderson687 Місяць тому

    Love the sound that thing makes! ❤️

  • @mvadu
    @mvadu 2 місяці тому

    5:41 dude that center of mass analysis seems to have proven correct so well here during the test.. I don't see any vibration at full speed at 13:22 amazing!!

  • @HolmesHobbies
    @HolmesHobbies 2 місяці тому

    I've got a dynamic balancer if you ever need those rotors balanced.

  • @MiDnYTe25
    @MiDnYTe25 2 місяці тому

    That beautiful piece of machined steel blade ripping at 22k was SUPER satisfying to watch and listen to

  • @zackspencer5413
    @zackspencer5413 2 місяці тому

    I don't know if this affects anything but at 13:30 when you stop spinning the motor it looks like it shifts back and forth a little bit. Same for when it spins up. Don't know if this will effect anything but good to know.

  • @mascatrails661
    @mascatrails661 Місяць тому

    Came here after watching part 2. Can't wait for part 3!

  • @xxportalxx.
    @xxportalxx. 2 місяці тому

    @13:30 or around you can see the hub is being deflected by the stator at max speeds, doesn't seem to be detrimental, but I thought it was interesting (I suspect it implies the commutation is off at those speeds, likely the motor simply isn't reaching the rpm the controller is trying to push, so more force is going in the axial direction). I would cautiously suggest pushing the controller to that virtual speed would result in torque dropping due to the commutation issue.

  • @wheelless
    @wheelless 2 місяці тому

    Amazing project, great build and excellent insights! I’ve been breaking a lot of drone motors with vibration, will have to try switching out the ESC. Any other recommendations for hardening motors, short of building your own? 😅🙏🤗

  • @jameslmorehead
    @jameslmorehead 2 місяці тому

    I would give you a great increase in strength and alignment if you leave a flange between the two bearings. It only needs to be sufficiently thick to handle a quarter of the shock load from the rotating mass. This will give the bearings a solid surface to align to and keep the press fit from being the only real lateral load carrying member.
    I have a project that I've been working on for months now that I think would interest you with this. It would take the shock loading off the motor and electronics, increase top weapon RPM while decreasing ramp time. I've been looking for a bot builder to partner with to test it out. To be honest, it was designed for Witch Doctor or Yeti (big, heavy vertical spinners), but it works at this scale as well. I work for a company that designs and manufactures prototype motors for electric vehicles, so I'm surrounded by this all day. Are you interested?

  • @mattheadplus
    @mattheadplus Місяць тому +1

    8:30 "huh those looks just like the bearings I put into my A1 extruder assembly..."

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  Місяць тому

      It'd make sense for them to offer their own parts for sure

  • @OutbackCatgirl
    @OutbackCatgirl 2 місяці тому

    This is hella cool. I had a thought though and I'd love to know if you'd be willing to experiment with it!
    What happens if you half-size the hub blade assembly, and make a mirrored version designed to spin the other direction on a shared shaft? That way you could test the effectiveness of having two, less massive, counter-rotating blades of the same design, vs one, more massive one.
    I would love to see if one is better than the other (I'd assume that besides gyroscopic effects the single monoblade design here would be superior)
    For example, would you need to double your motor control circuitry, or would both run easily off the same, single output? What gyroscopic effects would be observed?
    Would there be an impact on damage output or ability to toss around other antweights? Would having two monoblades lead to significantly less reliability due to complexity vs a single monoblade?
    How much would a two blade design affect susceptibility to vibration from tiny COM changes e. g. from massive impacts, chipped off blade materiial etc?
    Most importantly: Could you put cat ears on it? i know an etsy seller that makes fluffy cat ear headbands in Eastern Australia and it'd be pretty funny to see nyanobot 2.0 or 3.0 sporting a pair of loosely attached kitty ears if there's weight to spare, lmao. Though i doubt they'd survive a fight without turning into an environmental hazard that would try to clog up motors.
    That brings me onto another tangent: hair based antweight warfare. Are thin strands of hair or metal designed to foul motors banned in antweight? I'd assume so, but if not you could be the guy that proves the need for such a rule by making Cousin It, an antweight whose only weapon is a big tuft of hair or wire designed to get yanked out and bind motors, with a propulsion method hardened against ingesting its own fibrous weaponry. Silly idea but it'd be hilarious to watch in action i feel.

  • @welshdave5263
    @welshdave5263 2 місяці тому +6

    Yellow and dangerous MK2 at the 0:12 mark

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 місяці тому +2

      Absolute beast that robot!

    • @engineered_cha0s
      @engineered_cha0s 2 місяці тому +3

      Haha I wondered if anyone would recognise it! It's kind of insane that something I made is featured in a makers muse video! That was a very fun event although I've got a few videos to catch up before I get there...

    • @killerfish-battlebot
      @killerfish-battlebot 2 місяці тому +1

      Really interesting design!

    • @welshdave5263
      @welshdave5263 2 місяці тому +1

      @@engineered_cha0s I saw your video on updating tue design to 4 wheels only 2-3 days, that's how the name is still fresh in my mind.
      I may try and find Ant weight battles in the UK and try it, probably go with PS3 Bluetooth control and ESP32 for control, set a few programmed sequences etc that just take one button to run.

    • @engineered_cha0s
      @engineered_cha0s 2 місяці тому +1

      @@welshdave5263 that checks out, I only uploaded it on Monday 😆 bots with automated functions are rare... I'd love to see how it turns out!

  • @mw4222
    @mw4222 2 місяці тому +6

    woah us combot fans be eating good today

  • @ShenWenhaoBraydenHCI
    @ShenWenhaoBraydenHCI 2 місяці тому

    2 of those weighted spinny thing with 2 blade thingies on opposite sides, and the spinnies horizontal or vertical whatever you want, when turning the entire robot the spinnies stop at the same time then turn, then the spinnies are turned on again. if that is not enough, make it 3 spinnies with a total of 6 blades. the top can be cherried with a helicopter type of design but instead of flying you spin it so there is more destruction

  • @Thelnir
    @Thelnir Місяць тому

    Yet another example of why kinetic energy is terrifying.

  • @anguscos4506
    @anguscos4506 2 місяці тому

    Seeing that blade spinning by itself is terrifying and gives me ididathing vibes, I wonder what you two could make together

  • @matjazwalland903
    @matjazwalland903 2 місяці тому +3

    I would also add a horizontal gyroscope, a rotating weight between the wheels as close to the ground as possible to negate take-off forces during impacts. At the same time, it will increase the stability of the attack.

  • @shanecoffey8314
    @shanecoffey8314 Місяць тому

    13:40 Does anybody know what's causing that axial movement? It may bear on a mystery I've had kicking in the back of my head for 20 years.

  • @_BangDroid_
    @_BangDroid_ 2 місяці тому +1

    0:36 The music, is that Windows XP Startup sound time stretched several times?

  • @Firstordertrooper
    @Firstordertrooper 2 місяці тому +1

    Not trying to advertise but there is one place I know that does sell hub motors the place is called just cause robotics

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse  2 місяці тому

      Yeah! Seth is a great guy with excellent products. Those hub motors are quite new and for the larger "insect weight" classes, but a cool thing to see on the market now

    • @Firstordertrooper
      @Firstordertrooper 2 місяці тому

      I am making a battle bot is this list good? hubmotor for 1lb the am-32 ESC and FS-i6and the repeat mini mk3 the FS2A receiver and your weka 20A esc and should I get the pcb switch or something different this stuff is from just cause robotics. Thanks I don’t know a lot about electronics

  • @mrbenmush
    @mrbenmush Місяць тому

    gnarly - I also noticed it hitting a resonance frequency on the ramp up so avoid that as much as possible ;)

  • @JeremyChung
    @JeremyChung 2 місяці тому

    So the only difference between a hub motor and attaching the wheel directly to the outrunner rotor is that you can put a thicker shaft on it?
    And the bearing connection is outside the motor rather than inside the motor near the magnets.
    Essentially isn’t it the same thing?

  • @7ruthVVizard
    @7ruthVVizard 2 місяці тому

    When you were making this I was thinking "he wouldn't make it a single tooth 1 solid piece bla...... you absolute mad lad.

  • @mickmuzzmkmz1628
    @mickmuzzmkmz1628 2 місяці тому

    Interesting video content.
    Looking forward to seeing future instalments!👌👍

  • @hanslain9729
    @hanslain9729 2 місяці тому

    Beautiful work, Angus!

  • @MassimilianoBariola
    @MassimilianoBariola 2 місяці тому

    I see some proposing a hole to make a "death whistle" - I wondered if the inside of the tooth could not be flat but angled / sloped to reduce aerodynamic resistance and thus increase performance by a fraction - even though maybe at 22000 RPM we are already cavitating