We Are Taking 4K Blu-rays Too Seriously
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2024
- As a collector of physical media and a lover of movies, I think we are taking the 4K UHD Blu-ray format a bit too seriously.
We can split hairs (or pixels), go frame by frame , and zoom in to 100x on screenshots to nitpick transfers all day, but the reality is that we are living in an absolutely amazing time for home entertainment and physical media. Could something like True Lies have been done better? Of course, but it wasn't. And they aren't going to "fix" it. So it is what it is! I am enjoying having it and it is not like it is unwatchable.
I also think we are scaring away casual movie lovers and potential buyers by getting too deep in the weeds on the technical information. This should be a format that everyone can enjoy without needing to stress about buying the "right version" or "the best 4K transfers". I would encourage you to just buy the right movies for you, period, and go from there!
4K UHD is an amazing format. 99.9% of the time the new discs are better than anything we’ve ever had before. So let’s be happy about it and enjoy our collections for the reason we hopefully bought them in the first place - because we love movies!
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Posting this again here from my video description to get more eyes on it:
As a collector of physical media and a lover of movies, I think we are taking the 4K UHD Blu-ray format a bit too seriously.
We can split hairs (or pixels), go frame by frame , and zoom in to 100x on screenshots to nitpick transfers all day, but the reality is that we are living in an absolutely amazing time for home entertainment and physical media. Could something like True Lies have been done better? Of course, but it wasn't. And they aren't going to "fix" it. So it is what it is! I am enjoying having it and it is not like it is unwatchable.
I also think we are scaring away casual movie lovers and potential buyers by getting too deep in the weeds on the technical information. This should be a format that everyone can enjoy without needing to stress about buying the "right version" or "the best 4K transfers". I would encourage you to just buy the right movies for you, period, and go from there!
4K UHD is an amazing format. 99.9% of the time the new discs are better than anything we’ve ever had before. So let’s be happy about it and enjoy our collections for the reason we hopefully bought them in the first place - because we love movies!
They’re not going to fix it. It is what it is. That doesn’t require consumers to give them money if the consumer isn’t pleased with the product. Why should they “fix” it if everyone blindly eats up everything they offer, no matter how piss-poor it is? I get what you’re saying, but everyone has different standards, and some releases simply don’t live up to those standards. It was the same thing with Blu-Ray as they ‘came of age.’ There were good transfers, and there were bad transfers. Buy what you want, but don’t bully the rest of us into thinking our standards are “too high.”
I wanted to thank you for this, I had thought about similar things before both in movies and games...and boy did you hit it right on par. Everything you said is great. Me I buy Blu Rays and use last gen games, but as a kid I had 13in bw tv with a vcr and snes. Good times now! *blessed*
Well said Jeff! 👏
This is true, but don't forget that this is a hobby. We want to split hairs to get down to the ultimate differences. We want to know how good a transfer is. In my case, I will rent 90% of the movies I watch, and I will watch them without thoughts of video and audio quality. But for those select movies that I choose to own, I want to know in detail what it is that I am buying. I bought a $5,000 TV, and spent another $2,000+ on a soundbar, subwoofer, and 4k player. So what I am saying is that I want to split those hairs up front, so I don't even have to think about that stuff later. Some discs have multiple versions available. Some are over processed to the point they just don't look right. Some are so grainy you would have preferred some processing. The people who subscribe to this and similar channels do so for a hobbyist level of content. We want some technical details in addition to talking about the movie itself. That's why we chose OLEDs over cheaper TVs. That's why we spend money on discs when we could have just rented and not cared like most people don't care.
I'm just saying know the audience you have built up over the years. We see movies as mindless entertainment, sure, but a few movies rise to the level of an art form that we deeply appreciate. Those are the movies I buy on 4k, if available, or regular Bluray. And many of us have spent large amounts of money to have a good system to enjoy those movies on. If "good enough" is good enough, then it's no longer a hobby, and no longer an art form.
It's your channel, of course, so do whatever you want to. I'm just saying that people came here for a certain type of content. If you change it up too much you may start to see changes in viewing.
frankly I'm tired of nit picking stuff in all things we should treat every day like Thanksgiving. @@brianmoore581
If it weren't for HDR, I would be fine with regular Blu-Ray for most titles that are in 4k, but HDR makes a noticeable and worthwhile difference to me.
agreed!
Even then 4k Blu Ray players and 4k TVs do a great job of displaying sdr in HDR format. Standard Blu rays have come a long way in recent years
The thing a lot of people seem to overlook is that 4k isn't the only way to get HDR. It's something movie studios use as a reason to upgrade. You can encode movies with HDR in 1080p. As long as you have the device to decode the HDR it will display it that way.
UA-cam will play an HDR video at 144p if you want to. I don't know anyone who would want to view it that way but you can 🤣
I make a point of turning it off I don't like fake added colors.
Well I think it fair to complain when they are starting a lot of these discs at $30-40 a piece.
Exactly lol.
Exactly. I was gonna say that. I won’t allow a non perfect transfer to take away my pleasure from watching a movie, but I think it’s only fair to expect a higher quality when the product is so expensive. By the way, those prices you mentioned are in the US. Elsewhere in the world it can be far more expensive.
Absolutely
@@kmw1175 Worse than $40? WOW. I won’t preorder a 4k if it’s over $30 and usually not $25 unless it’s something I really want. I actually cancelled my Aliens preorder as I already have the Blu-Ray. It wasn’t like I didn’t already own the film. Some of these dudes are getting free copies so I guess it doesn’t matter as much when you don’t have to pay for it.
It's hard to say. Breaking down pixel by pixel is a little exhausting and unless there's a disc breaking fault, I don't think we have to have 20 minute powwow's about a disc we will only throw on a 3-5 times in the time we own them
The 4K format is the closest we have to being able to reproduce the Theatrical experience at home. I think consumers should absolutely make their voices heard either literally or with their wallets so that publishers understand what we want. Sometimes that means being critical and that’s ok.
I’d argue it’s event better than most. Now that I have an oled screen I’m stunned by the contrast colors and definition compared to most theatres.
Same with my surround setup. Aside from the biggest screen from my local venues that has a nice atmos
I'm a pretty big movie buff, but I don't really see the reason to upgrade to 4K as I have seen them and it's just not a big enough difference from my Blu-ray to make me spend 400 on a player
I recently watched Dune 2 at my local theater. It was a projector screen. It wasn't sharp and I could clearly see the pixelation on the screen. Drove me crazy. I can't wait to really see it at home on 4k.
I guarantee you most people think they can tell the difference but actually couldn't tell the difference if they were just showing a clip for maybe 4 seconds. At the end of the day if you happen to basically search for jagged edges to see if they're smoother, I don't know I'm not watching that hard lol
Agreed. There are ways to be critical without sounding like you're just hating. True Lies was very distracting to me. The DNR and AI upscaling(?) make the movie look cartoony at times. The Dolby Vision and Atmos are what saves it for me.
I truly do prefer watching the movies in 4k HDR but my preference to watch the highest quality format is for the experience. I feel more immersed in a lot of the movies in 4k. What I don't do is obsess with bit rate and pausing to see imperfections. That doesn't make watching movies more enjoyable. I watch to escape, not to stress out over them.
Amen..
Yup
Totally agree. However at 9min14 there is distracting aliasing on your blinds
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Ok I laughed 😂
Lol. You're not taking this very seriously. Loo
LOL LOL
Nice.
Hi Jeff, I have to disagree with you. Studios are charging more for product that frankly is just lazily done, in many cases. If we just accept whatever they throw at us, even if it’s “better than the Blu”, then they’ll never apply the effort they should, into things like high quality transfers, because they know the public will buy it anyway. Allowing AI to just scrub all the grain and detail out of films and then charge $30+ dollars for movies, is a slap in the face.
i suggest hd numericque his channel is awesome
I actually think we do need to be critical of the lower quality releases because it’s very rare for a film to get a second attempt at a 4K release and like you said in the video, this is the end game of physical media formats. If a film gets a bad 4K release that could go on to be the ‘best’ version for the next 20 or more years. It’s vital that they get it right with the 4K and, most of the time, that will mean just scanning in the film at 4/8k and cleaning up any dirt, I don’t see any real utility to upscaling a movie already shot on film.
Anything could be reduced to the basics like “it is just pixels”. Most people who are on channels like this one are enthusiasts who spend their time building dope home theaters or man caves to watch their favorite movies in the best audio / video quality possible because of their passion for movies. If everyone was to “calm down” and accept what ever quality they put on disc, we would not watch channels that would most likely become infomercials and we would be happy with just streaming movies on our phones.
I for one don’t need a channel dedicated to telling me what’s in the box. I have nothing but respect for channels that do the hard work of analytically breaking down the audio / video quality. After all, anyone can turn on a camera and say “wow, this is cool” “Like and subscribe’
Yeah unboxing is pointless
You’d like @hdnumerique
@@L32C-yg9hmI disagree. There might be multiple releases featuring different disc art, cover art, case types, etc,. and those unboxings help me decide which one I want to get. Then there's just the joy of seeing a product before receiving it as well. I enjoy the art on a lot of releases almost as much as the movies/shows I'm buying. @JsBluRays is my favorite for unboxings. @InSearchOfPhysicalMedia is my favorite for in depth painstaking quality reviews for 4Ks & Blu-rays. His analysis is second to none.
This is really a real bad take on Physical Media. We have to hold the studios and gatekeepers (Directors) accountable to the quality of the media they are supplying us. You claimed that we have not had any media for True Lies before this to compare it to, except for DVD, and that is absolutely wrong. We had a marvelous DVHS, that was also used for the Spanish Blu-ray, and even though the DVHS was a 1080i transfer it was about as perfect as you can ask for. If you compare the 4K UHD to that transfer, the 4K UHD is a total mess as far as picture quality. The Atmos track is superb and not going to try to compare the DVHS' ac3 track, which is actually very well done, but we cannot allow the studio to gives a picture quality transfer that goes backwards to an already stablished reference transfer that is over 20 years old. Titanic and The Abyss proves that they are capable of giving us superb quality releases without changing the original source material (and Titanic showed that the bad CGI from the source was left alone and we knew that it was bad back then and it we accept that as a consequence).
If we begin to accept subpar quality transfers and the use of AI to change CGI aspects that were just fine in the original source material, then we are doomed to get what they give us which will subpar quality home physical media. I hope that your fears that studios will stop providing review copies if you take them to task for subpar releases will not be used as an excuse to tell us that we are taking physical media too seriously. Of course we are taking it seriously. We pay for the top notch quality that 4K UHD gives us and not a transfer that looks worse than a 22 year old transfer.
I think this works both ways. Yes we sometimes are over blowing things that are barely decipherable with the human eye. But also, studios will cut corners to make profit and push out garbage if we don’t push back.
The Cameron stuff is unique bc the guy is simply not a fan of the format and wants all his movies to look plastic and as modern as possible. The Lucas effect has taken hold of him. But he’s in the vast minority and we can expect great releases from other auteurs moving forward with the knowledge that some (I expect something similar with Fincher) will require additional research before purchasing.
We should not settle for AI upscales. The only thing that should satisfy us are legitimate rescans of the original film print or for lack of that the nearest copy of an actual film print.
On the other hand it’s ok to not want waxy faces poor quality audio, a lack of special features and no effort retreads of old bad transfers.
Sorry but is more important to call out those kinds of things than the pixel peepers.
This dude’s whole channel is really just “I like to buy stuff and not think much”.
4k blu-ray and 4k tv trash go back to 1080p blu-ray with 1080p tv
@@BlazetheCat-34079 it really depends if they did a good job with the transfer/scan etc. Depends on what you are about too. If you don’t really pay much attention to certain things just stick with normal bluray as it’s cheaper.
Like I was a bit harsh in my comment at this channel’s creator and I get it that end of the day if it’s just for you that you just like to relax and watch a film that’s perfectly fine. But some of these 4K remasters are terrible for film preservation and even for semi casual movie viewers who like the film making and presentation process.
Swing and a big miss. If people can't make their voices heard when it comes to disappointing transfers (which I fully believe these James Cameron ones are), then you're effectively saying: "Eat up your slop, plebs, and stop complaining." It seems that it's harder for some people to accept legitimate critique than to just ignore it, if they're personally fine with the transfers. I don't think it's any coincidence that 'collectors' are some of the most vocal when it comes to trying to drown out critique, because they have to continually justify buying virtually everything. If a transfer isn't good, or is lazy, I simply won't buy it but I'll also express my views on *why* I think they are unacceptable. Are these Cameron transfers even taken from the original 4K print or just upscaled from the original Blu Ray, then doused in AI and sharpening? I strongly suspect the latter.
Aliens is 100% the latter. The other two we don't have any thing else to compare to.
If you're no longer offering a critical, balanced review then there's no point to the review at all.
There are enough film sites that will tell you how good a film is.
There are plenty of unboxing sites that also tell you the content on the disc, but what they don't tell you is how good the quality of the transfer is, you're just about to purchase.
True Lies and the Abyss are not "normal" movies that the average person casually wants to watch.
They are two of the most eagerly anticipated films to receive a physical media release (reflected in the fact that they are sold out), that fans have waited over two decades for.
JC has been repeatedly asked about them, for more than 10 years, and his response was always 'he would need to find the time to do them justice, once the Avatar films were well underway.'
The films are not "restorations" and the new AI algorithm that's being used to produce them is all about cost cutting than delivering on a commitment to fans.
It is easily say, with confidence, that both are going to better than the DVD releases without even needing to watch them - I don't need someone else to help me work that out.
Neither do I need anyone to tell me about the extras (which I can also read on the back of the case, by myself.)
Once a balanced, impartial, review is being called into question it undermines the integrity of the reviewer.
In the case of these films, I am now starting to wonder whether reviewers are being leaned on?
There have been a number of releases over the years where the initial release was sub-standard and due to people voicing their opinions about it, a new improved release was then offered.
I guess the customer is no longer king.
We should just buy it, shut up, say nothing and be thankful for it?
I think he is just saying that people are getting obsessive and it's getting in their way of enjoying movies focusing so much in the medium and transfer of remasters...and loosing the enjoyment of movies...no body gave a shit during the vhs days and crt tv cut up broadcasts...such inferior quality squashed into a square lol Now we have giant tv's and near cinema experience in the home high quality picture and audio...Jeff is right. To a point just enjoy the movie but yea hold the corporations to account on quality...just people need to stop being so obsessive...enjoy the movie that's the whole point...
@@risinggael1685 You are both right..... But here's the problem: we're not watching VHS on a 65-in + screen.
I actually couldn't care less about the extras, most of the time.
It seems to be coming an unreasonable expectation to have a studio put real time, effort and money into releasing a classic film, as I'm sure most people will point out: it's far easier to stream and that's where the laziness seems to be coming from because what's good enough for streaming (and it's limited bandwidth) is not necessarily good enough for a physical media purchase. 😂
Don't get me wrong, the only versions I have of True Lies and The Abyss are on DVD and LaserDisc so I should be grateful for any improvement 😂.
The Abyss will always be a title that will sell out in the US because the only way to purchase a physical copy of the film in the UK is to buy the US version (because it is blocked due to a censorship disagreement 😭)
Weird take. That’s pretty much the whole point of reviewing media - what does the video and audio look and sound like? Most don’t care about what YOU might think about the film, they want to know if it looks and sounds good. It could make you less reliable and you’ll still be receiving 4K media from the studio, but without the actual full review? IDK
Agreed he's now just another dude out there talking about movies.
@@codingwithguyfranciscopoli9887about most of these people dont even watch the speical features..
The thing with upgrading to 4K is that we kinda inherently already care to an extreme about pixels. I love the format but if it's not worth nerding out about then just sticking with blu rays is probably smarter in general because of the cost
Jeff just got Stuckmannized
Weird take
Jeff, honestly, I won’t watch this video, because I fundamentally disagree with the premise. If anything, we’re not taking the format seriously ENOUGH. Or rather the studios don’t. Videos by channels like Damn Fool Idealistic Crusader go into detail about just what is being lost when companies don’t take preservation and a proper presentation of older films seriously and with newer films the major studios are getting stingy for absolutely no reason. There’s no reason for Disney not to include Dolby Vision, there’s no excuse for WB to not release Dune in IMAX on home video. Quality control is getting worse each passing year, with new releases having more and more seemingly minor flaws that just get swept under the rug.
You always have that attitude of "I don’t think it’s that big of a deal" and I’m getting tired of it now, because it can be seriously hurtful to the medium and set a bad precedent for future releases if the studios don’t have to care anymore.
Let’s not forget this guy also didn’t know the picture quality between a DVD and Blu-Ray is drastically different 😂 referencing his 5 mistakes I made as a movie collector video
@@ConnorsWorld_ it wasn't that he didn't know the difference, it was that he thought the bluray player would make his DVDs look better and when it obviously didn't he got confused. That also happened way back when he first got a Blu ray player so I don't know why you're bringing it up here
I agree that when you pay a premium price you should expect a premium product, and we should hold studios accountable when they don't give us what we expect from these releases. We should be able to make a value judgement of whether they've upgraded the quality of the movie enough for what they're charging us
I think the problems come when you're obsessing over the quality of the media rather than the media itself. I think what he should be trying to get at is that we should appreciate these films regardless of what way we watch them. Our love should be for the art more than the presentation
"They're better than we've had before".
Sorry, but this take gives studios encouragement to release more films looking like the Cameron releases 😶
Jeff, what you’re are saying sets a dangerous precedent. As fans we are passionate and should let our feelings known, whether they’re positive or negative. Accepting a bad master as the best just because it’s 4K is not something that I for one can agree with.
If you’re happy with the recent Cameron releases that’s fine, but others might not feel the same. In my opinion the Spanish Blu-ray of True Lies is a better experience than the recent True Lies 4K, imo. The Bourne Identity Blu-ray was significantly better than the 4K, as was Hot Fuzz and Terminator 2. That’s go nothing to do with pixel peeping, pausing and zooming in, etc. When an 8 year old questions the weird looking man who’s ‘wearing too much makeup’ (Arnold Schwarzenegger, in this case) you know something’s wrong.
FTR, I’ve not seen the 4K of Aliens but I do know that I would have done by now if it had been ‘properly’ restored as ‘Alien’ has been.
The Spanish one is not as good. This is the best it looks and will look for a long time.
@@williamdriver1959 In what sense? Care to expand on that? For me, it hasn’t been DNRed or AI enhanced. In that sense it’s better. Played back via the a Panasonic UB820 which has an amazing 1080p to 2160p upscaling processor, it can look quite filmic. Any improvements the 4K makes has been lost due to the sledgehammer approach Cameron insisted on using for the 4K disc.
Yh I agree somewhat or mostly with his sentiment, but we really shouldn't be ok with the Cameron 4ks or with AI Process instead of restorations or scans. And if we just lay down and accept them then we'll just allow real restorations and rescans and actual remasters to fall by the way side to be replaced by AI Upscaling and DNR processing. Like that is different. These Cameron 4ks are not what they should be at all and that process should never EVER touch another disc and just because we like those films doesn't mean we should just pretend that what has been done is ok.
We just can't have this process used again for other films, we just can't and thats it. Also the Aliens blu-ray does legit look WAY better than that "4k". Those 4ks are a disaster and those pretending its not could damage the industry if studios decide that these discs have been successful enough. It is cheaper and easier for them to use AI instead of doing actual remasters, so they will do it if they think they can get away with it.
Collectors hold up the Physical Media right. Videophiles and most collectors will NOT stand for or pay for AI Upscales instead of remasters. Therefore if those releases happen they will go unpurchased and be a failure and disaster. Thus if more studios move to trying this and all those releases do badly then it could irreparably damage and maybe even kill the Physical Media industry. These Cameron discs are so dangerous because they are so popular for the single reason that they are some of the BIGGEST and most anticipated films ever to come to 4k. If this were done to niche titles on Arrow Video or Vinegar Syndrome those releases would be a disaster and would not be bought.
We shouldn't pretend that getting these won't have consequences. When things are popular, more things like it get made....
For a long time I've never blind bought unless the FOMO was justified (e.g. JAWS steelbook exclusive) because I always held out on the transfer analysis. I often have the DVD so I have a low-res already *so I'm spending my $$$ on the transfer;* that's the point. So for that reason, I won't go in on a bad transfer except by accident (thankfully Damn Fool Idealistic Crusader has spared me from many of these).
That said, I'll cave on THE ABYSS and THE ABYSS only. I might cave on PLANES, TRAINS on an extreme sale, but those are the only 2 I can think of.
Streaming has captured the casual viewers. Let physical be the realm of the purists. If anything, we've earned it because most of us have been collecting since before streaming was even theoretical.
Wrong, and you are nit picking the 1%
Grow up
It's beyond me how this guy has one of the bigger channels in this niche. He's clearly leaving the audience that built his channel behind and ready to target a broader audience that doesn't care about the quality of a transfer... Just shut up, pay up, and swallow what they're serving you and smile and be happy!
When people were complaining about his positive review of Prey, because of the girlboss crap in it, he responded to someone with "you're just intimidated by strong women" or something along those lines. I had all the info I needed at that point and unsubscribed and only checked tonight to see what 4k movies are good lately as I havent kept up with it. It's not really a surprise to me.
@@3DAIVideosit's his opinion at the end of the day.
@@mindrover777
Saying "I like this movie because xyz" is an opinion.
Presuming to know why other people don't like the movie or if they share the same definition of "strong female protagonist vs feminist agenda protagonist" is a presumption and an insult.
If that was the only instance I didn't care for, I would have ignored it and continued to watch. But at that point, I could tell his channel was becoming something that wasn't for me. He was starting to do the whole "UA-camr" thing which was not at all why I subscribed to him in the first place.
That comment was just the last thing where I realized I didn't care to watch his content anymore.
I can absolutely understand not wanting to spend all that time and energy on searching for those little details, I know I don't want to, but I do appreciate those who are willing to do it and share that info with us, whether you in the past or now others. I have a pretty small budget to spend on physical media, so I want to know that I'm getting my money's worth, and to be able to make an informed decision. Even if the minor imperfections don't influence me to not buy a certain version most of the time, in some cases if it's close enough, or expensive enough, it might.
"Its better" or "its the best it ever looked" isnt an excuse, im sorry. From a 4k vs BR comparison online Aliens 4k looked like watching a video game. Im sorry but they did not release a video game into the theaters back in the 80s. It was a film, not a video game.
yeah, im not going to just shut up and buy it. It's a garbage upgrade, and I wont support it.
I'm fine with blu ray and even buy some DVD's not availble on blu ray.
SAME HERE!
Genuinely sad when only DVD is available. Especially when it's so old it's interlaced!
@@shoopypit4884 I dont mind it...watch on your laptop where the dvd looks fine.
I agree 100 percent, blu ray played on my 4K player looks amazing I rarely buy 4K and even then when it’s on sale. I’m happy with Blu ray
@@shoopypit4884Your set-top player doesn't de-interlace for you?
Unlike Jeff we don't get free 4k discs so, informing people on how it looks could save them money!
yeah he is def going to push 4k because studiois help him out, the reality is bluray is better and I can debate anyone on this
Sorry Jeff but this ain't it. I unsubscribed back when you initially started to pivot from your technical breakdowns because that's why I subscribed in the first place but I continued to follow you on Twitter/Instagram because I still valued you as a creator even if your content was no longer for me. But this rant just isn't right. Don't just settle because it's a new release you didn't have before. That's just dumb consumer mentality. This DNR is a MUCH bigger deal than you're letting on. I've seen you on Twitter bemoan the Star Wars special editions and these transfers are just as bad.
I think people are making their voices heard because they're so dedicated to these movies. It's important to praise studios when they put out solid work, or hold them accountable when they miss the mark.
At the end of the video, you state that you're "not coming into the comments" and I see it didn't take you long to change your mind on that, which is fine. What's concerning are the snarky replies you're leaving on the more critical comments. There's one in particular where you tell a longtime subscriber something along the lines of, "I'm sorry for my growth as a human. I'll stop that immediately for your personal pleasure." As a content creator trying to shift the theme of his channel, I would expect more resiliency and a greater attempt to retain the interest of those who have supported you thus far. Your tone in this video doesn't match the more professional demeanor that a lot of us became familiar with over the years and that is going to be off-putting to a lot of folks, but I suspect you don't care because you've already figured out that this new direction you're heading in is going to attract a larger audience that could care less about authentic film restoration, as they just want to own the latest version of everything because "newer is better".
I couldn't possibly disagree more with the statement you kept repeating about 4K releases being "better" than their blu-ray counterparts 99.9% of the time. I can think of several 4K releases that I either skipped or sold off due to things such as:
-DNR that didn't previously exist on the blu-ray (ex - Platoon, Saturday Night Fever, Aliens, etc.)
-Overzealous HDR grading (ex - Mad Max: Fury Road)
-Various audio issues such as missing dialogue, channel encoding errors, incorrectly pitched audio (ex - Titanic, Rosemary's Baby, Escape from LA, Hard Target, Rocky II & III, etc.)
Newer isn't always better IMO, but it's important to keep in mind that "better" is not for any one person to decide and it's best left to the eyes & ears of the beholder to make that determination.
Crappy transfers have always been a thing, all the way back to laserdisc. If the transfer is lacking or altered, I want to know. I respect that you no longer care, but for $30-$40 a disc I most certainly do.
Jeff, when did you become a studio simp for bad 4K transfers?? When the bluray is upconverted on my Oppo and it looks better than the 4K disc, you have to call that out to let the community know if that 4K is worth purchasing. Or just wait for the bargain bin deals like getting the Pirates 4K for $5.
If a film is shot on film, then i expect it to have the amount of film grain relative to the film stock it came from and ZERO DNR or EE. Is that really too much to ask? People still buy physical media for a reason. To get the most accurate presentation possible from the source material it came from.
Of course but he can still review and be critical of the integrity of those things by just watching the movie under normal conditions. Freeze framing shot after shot and zooming in to do side by sides to determine what's changed is a waste of time. If you have to do all that just to tell what's different then that's pretty much a science experiment at that point, not a meaningful determination of what effects the viewing experience other than that technical obsession sometimes *literally* standing in the way of enjoying the movie itself.
@chrisjfox8715 listen brother. The exact same thing happened with blu-ray except it started in the beginning. By 2012 we were starting to get 4K mastered discs and getting discs reissued that had dog shit transfers the first go around. None of this DNR/EE waxy crap should be happening on this format period. I mean it's beyond ridiculous.... especially 8 years in. It's like the studios are going backwards man. Doesn't make any sense.
@@chrisjfox8715All the problems with Aliens, True Lies, Abyss, Titanic can be seen in normal viewing conditions. If you don't notice it, doesn't mean others can't.
@@miz4535 I'm speaking generally, not these releases specifically. Either way, vote with your dollar and enjoy your life
I hate seeing grain. I never used to see it on regular blu rays with my 720 tv. I would of rather we stay at 720p than see this grain. However I do not want the film to be scrubbed to look like wax figures with less detail like Terminator 2. Point being if the can remove grain without making look worse, I'm all for it.
I'm with you for the most part, but I think the reason people get into the nitty gritty is because 4K isn't always a visible upgrade. So yeah... If you're buying a movie you don't already own, I'd say just get the 4K. But I want to know I'm getting a noticeable upgrade if I'm replacing a perfectly good HD blu-ray transfer. Heck, I recently picked up Second Sight's Flight of the Navigator blu-ray. I got D.A.R.Y.L. In 4K HDR from Vinegar Syndrome on the same day and both are stunning transfers. On my Epson 5050UB I don't see a ton of difference between the two. So HD blu-ray is still a totally viable format and it's worth knowing what's worth it to upgrade.
And remember, you're PAYING FOR THE UPGRADE, and you're paying a premium! Why the EFF should we not complain if the upgrade is imperceptible, or in fact a downgrade?
The people who really get upset, like myself, about things like True Lies's A.I. nonsense, is that there's no real alternative. Yes, it looks better than ever. . . _and_ it looks worse than ever, because they've never had artificial-looking A.I. nonsense on these before.
People are upset because it's a butchering of a movie we've been waiting years to be released.
I think that's just it tho... If the difference is barely, if at all, noticeable without someone having to pause, zoom in, and do a side by side then it's not worth the energy to stress over.
Bottom line, when you pop it in and watch it, does it look great and do you enjoy it? Let your eyes and ears speak for themselves in the setting you'd be watching normally and keep it moving. He can still do comparisons between bluray and 4k, even critical of flaws, without combing through them like a fine tooth comb.
@@chrisjfox8715 well yeah, I'm not pixel peeping myself. That means I already bought it, but I learned the hard way when studios were slapping DVD masters on blu-ray disc that barely looked better than DVD quality, it's not good to blind buy in the post HD world. As long as someone is out there scrutinizing the image quality on a more technical level, I don't require any, all, or even a majority of reviewers I go to to be doing that. But I do need to know that the transfer looks good before I spend my money.
its not about how many pixels
some blurays; actually many from 90s have bad color tone grading, washed out, blueish.
You're wrong. Both are justified and if someone wants to see films one way or the other, then it would be a solid move to say: do what you want. But this negative assessment of analytical viewing was unnecessary.
I only buy 4K movie's if i really love the movie and gonna re watch it many times, and they are normally sci fi
Me too
DVD still make more money than 4k & blu-ray since 06
Exactly, and there are probably zillions of great SF films that will never get the 4K treatment, many barely escaped VHS tapes
Jeff going full Stuckmann
Criticism is fair. I am very picky and don't want to see digital tinkering, DNR and grain removal, and artifacts. I think anyone who is seriously into film will be the film. Cameron's tinkering is idiotic, just as that of Lucas. If you they want to mess with history then perhaps they should restore the films in their original form, film grain and color timing included, and then have a separate transfer of their revisionist version. No problem with that, but I want to see the originals. A hill to die on. Your argument that if you love it, buy it does have some merit but these films were shot on FILM and it no longer looks like film. Do what you will, but it's not reality.
4k format should absolutely guarantee best video transfer n atmos audio, but i do have a problem when youre asking $25 to $45 and one of these features is lacking.
Atmos is just for those who wanna show off their audio systems, it’s vastly overrated. HDR will always be the biggest selling point for video transfer period, price doesn’t matter either if you still want to collect physical media in the best format possible.
Spoken like a true soundbar owner! Again HDR could fall into a gimmick if its not done right, same goes for Atmos. You cannot compare Disney Atmos with Warner Atmos. There needs to be a certain quality control each time you use HDR, Dolby Vision n Atmos labels on youre movie. There shouldnt exist a reason why some movies (mostly Disney) i have go up a couple of notches on the volume and still not here any LFE. Same for Hdr, most movies with it dont look that good when compared to others. I have the mando series in 4k and whoever did that Hdr grading needs to run all disney transfer. It was the first time a saw Hdr overtake Dolby Vision in a long time.
@@miguelsantiago2772atmos is gimmicky. Majority of movies don’t benefit from it. It’s cool I guess. Sony does limited theatrical releases for some of their restorations with Dolby Atmos. I’ve watched some and yeah Atmos doesnt improve experience in a meaningful way
@@miguelsantiago2772 you’re right I do own a soundbar and my old setup didn’t even use it to its full potential. It’s a Bose Solo 5 but also I recently bought a new 4K QLED that has a built in subwoofer as well and man is it the experience I’ve finally been looking for. That’s when it comes to sound but as far as the 4K format it’s the HDR that’s the selling point. In your OP you mentioned $25 to $40 is too high, I mean really? Only boutique labels like Arrow, Criterion, Kino and Shout are above $30. You can either choose to support the 4K format or stick to Blu Ray format which honestly still look good. I just always want the best quality possible regardless of price.
@@miguelsantiago2772that’s saying a lot, Dolby Vision, when done right really hits. It’s visceral
The like dislike ratio says it all.
I see your point but in the other hand, the average cost of a single 4K is 35$ + taxes Canadian. Steelbook cost 50 - 60$. Since I already own all my favorites movies on DVD or BD, buying the 4K must worth it. I have others things to pay in life than disk 🙂
I’m no big movie disc guy, but I do think there’s a space for technical analysis. Go in deep, good or bad. There are things to be critical about, and I think people DO find the transfer and picture quality interesting, even if they don’t go deep themselves.
Then, after you’ve established the quality of everything, then kick back and watch the movie as a movie 😊
Like, I don’t just go buy discs. I only pick up my favorite discs with really great transfers. I am not the guy with a shelf full of discs.
That’s why I like the depth. I like to know what’s really WORTH buying, since…sorry, I do buy digital a lot of the time.
Personally, I don’t need UA-cam channels suggesting movies to watch or collect. 🤷
while its 100% true some people frame watch and get into caring about aspects of quality that i will never really understand, it would never occur to me to complain about them "caring too much" because that would be crazy. the idea that people being passionate about things they care about is bad is so alien to me
Jeff, I think that a big BIG REASON people dislike 4K or have an issue with it is BECAUSE it’s not as uniformly consistent as Blu Ray has been over the years. DNR is huge problem when it comes to rendering choices. And you’ve mentioned some of the biggest offenders in this video T2, Gremlins, Pirates , planes trains automobiles etc. And you, and Movie Guy 365, and many other content channels have helped us all become Eagle eye viewers.
Now I’m not dogging anyone, and I get what you mean, just love the media. But when 4ks come at a premium cost 40-60 dollars for one title I think we’ve come to expect more for our money. Like the trusted uniformity Blu used to give us. Just my opinion
Sure, but it's still sad that studios won't put the effort into delivering the purest transfer possible of a film, especially beloved films like these, for the 4k format, which is really the last format we'll ever need for movies, 8k isn't going to make a difference unless you have a giant screen. The Lord of the Rings set is the saddest moment for 4k so far, along with a few of the Star Wars films.
Looks like Jeff is pulling a "Stuckman". That worked out well for Chris. HaHa.
Let's just enjoy physical media while it is still here
It will be here for a while yet until everyone has stellar Internet connections and Streaming becomes as quality as a Disc is Streaming wont be killing it off anytime soon
Maybe the quality of the product will be a factor in whether it is still here.
DVD still make more money than 4k & blu-ray since 06
@@markpugh6808Streaming will never replace discs because streaming will always be controlled by media corporations. Physical discs are owned by you.
If it's treated like garbage, it ain't helping out the cause!
got oppenheimer on bluray, it was a great time me and my cousins enjoyed it a ton and the ease of just having it without worrying about what platform its on is so nice
Neat
UHD Blu-ray should be celebrated as a format. It's wonderful. We should be extremely thankful that it exists and is being supported. (Shoutout Sony)
However, the reasons we care about a physical format like UHD Blu-ray are the same reasons that we should be critical of the releases on that format. It's not about being needlessly hyper-critical. It's about caring about quality and pushing companies to put out the best possible product. This matters, not just because people are spending significant money on this, but because the format is capable of incredible things, and we should demand that these films are preserved and available to the most people in the best possible form.
The sad part is that nuanced conversations are now lost, especially in niche groups. The art of conversation is gone.
I think you're selling out brother. We need to hold these remasters accountable and have them do the work on making them correct like The Godfather, Enter The Dragon and Saturday Night Fever just to name a few. You have to admit a lot more than just 99% of these remasters are NOT done well. There's nothing wrong with letting the studios know they need to improve on what THEY consider a proper upgrade after we spend so much money on obtaining the best transfers we can get. Don't get soft on what you know to be bad transfers just to appease the promos or free content you receive from the studios .
You just said exactly what I was telling myself just a moment ago! I think he’s just basically afraid to lose the freebies if he overly criticizes the quality of what are supposed to be a superior quality than even the best looking buy rays.
@@pedrochevez2090 EXACTLY.. He been critiquing blu rays for 7yrs and now all of a sudden he's conscious of his own honest negative criticism?? He absolutely is scared to lose his free merch and chose to fall back on his opinion and I don't like that. Be a man and tell the truth. If the studios are gonna take the time out to improve picture quality of an item that needs it we should let them know what doesn't work because we jump for joy when something does. A dvd transfer should never look better than a 4K remaster.. We should give them hell if it does.
I disagree. He is spot on
I don't think it is wrong to be picky about the way a disc looks. If only the movie and story was what mattered, we would all still be watching DVD. Settling for mediocrity is never good.
Your use of the word better is very humorous
The shame with the Cameron discs is he appears to have used the films as testbeds while he worked out the AI processing. It's the only way to explain how three films shot on Super 35 over an 8 year period (The Abyss, True Lies, Titanic) could all have such differing results. It looks as if he started with True Lies and finished with Titanic (even Robert A. Harris doesn't understand how Titanic came out looking so great). If what was learned by the time Titanic was finished had been re-applied back on the older films, we could have had great results.
Crap take! Speaking out incentivizes these companies to do the best transfer possible because they know if they don't the word of mouth will hurt their bottom line. Shutting up incentivizes cutting corners because it is cheaper and eventually you get crap products industry wide.
No. We're not taking it too seriously... James Cameron and some lables aren't taking it seriously enough. And I adore James Cameron's movies, but these releases are completely unacceptable. They could set an extremely dangerous precedent if they're successful, it could be the end of film restoration and true 4K releases. They soon could be replaced by AI upscales from old HD masters, which would mean the original film will be lost and replaced by AI animation remakes, realistic animation but animation in the end.
And no, this isn't the best theese films have ever looked in home video, I will chose my Spanish Blu-ray of True Lies any day over that crappy ultra processed AI garbage they just released in 4K. That Spanish Blu-ray is the best that movie has ever looked, and by the way, it's not a bootleg, it's an official release, it uses the same master of the HD VHS (D-Theater) with some corrections and improvements.
I start to disagree with this when someone who isn’t a big film nerd can watch something like T2 in 4K and point out how absolutely awful it looks. If it wasn’t for the steelbook and the fact that it came with the blu-ray, I wouldn’t have gotten it or recommend anyone else get it either.
My stepdad is a film buff, but i've only just started collecting. He said "Instead of buying every $2 used bluray you found, make a list, year by year, of every release you like. Collect those. And you dont have to do them all at once." Honestly, this opened my eyes on how I want to approach things. Good luck to you collecting and sharing the way you want!
Yes, just consume product and wait for next product. Don't criticize, just consume.
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There's a difference between criticizing a movie and nit picking every little detail.
@@mlrestrepo7093 Paying customers having constructive criticism is not nitpicking. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean you get to tell other people how to interpret the art they're consuming.
It's not about any particular formats. It's about accurately and faithfully preserving art in a way that future generations can appreciate for what it is.
4k blu-ray and 4k tv trash go back to 1080p blu-ray with 1080p tv!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Honestly this is kinda nice to hear.
I just started getting back into movie collecting and just now am upgrading to BluRay. I don't have a 4k TV or anything to play a 4k disc on and since starting to interact with the online community more, I've been seriously thinking to upgrade even though realistically speaking bluray is really good enough for me right now. I want to get some of my all time favorite films in 4k if possible (just placed a preorder for Dune part 2) and one day I'll get a full set up upgrade. But as more of an average consumer I really need to realize that the hype and criticism of 4k is simply not aimed at me.
The criticism is fair. Considering these same transfers are available to stream there is no reason to own them physically. In fact it's all the more reason to hold on to your old blu-ray copy of Aliens. I don't think a mentality of "we should be happy we are getting anything at all" is the right thing to have. If these are the kinds of releases they are going to be putting out there then the format deserves to die.
I´m just fine with the standard blu-ray releases. First of all, I started collecting physical media because I'm sick of today's junk. Another reason is that 4K is expensive, regular b-rays look amazing, but I'm not going to pay 20$ 40$ 60$ for 85 minutes of film.
DVD still make more money than 4k & blu-ray since 06
@@donnellcoleman7784Great. Actually, we’ve been discussing this for a while, and there appear to be a bunch of reasons why DVD still sells in large volumes. It’s not movie fans/collectors that are buying DVDs tho… DVD and BR/UHD BR are almost like two completely separate markets (some DVD titles are never even released on higher-quality formats) so there’s not really much point comparing them.
4k's aren't that expensive, unless you're an impulsive spender. Just wait and anything you want will go on sale. There's currently a 1 euro difference between blu ray and 4k for Dune in my country.
In order of importance for visual upgrade (Blu-ray to 4k):
10bit color
HDR
Resolution
There will be physical media beyond 4K, mark my words. Renewed interest in physical media as a whole is on the rise. Vinyl has seen a huge surge over the last 10 years or so with no ceiling in sight. Sony has a new Playstation coming in a few years that will likely bolster a new 8K Blu-ray player. We are at the beginning of a new age of physical media going forward.
I went down the same route with gaming, getting entirely encapsulated into Digital Foundry videos, being obsessed with frame rates, angry when things weren’t perfect. It really took the joy of gaming out of it for me for awhile. Finally I woke up and realized looking for the best performance was actually diminishing my joy with gaming entirely. I’m going to just enjoy my 4K blu rays as much as I can because the movie itself truly is the point!
I feel like that's totally normal until you hit that one game that's amazing that runs like shit and you just can't even care because you love it regardless.
Yeah, every Digital Foundry video is a long way of saying "play in performance mode." Unless there's something screwed up in the game, higher framerate is always better.
This is exactly why I bought a 4090. Set it and forget it for literally any game lol
I casually watch digital foundry. But I will say this, I refuse to play games that aren't at least 60 fps. So I'm skipping dragons dogma and hope they patch in a performance mode later. Probably not though as this seems intentional to sell ps5 pro consoles down the road. I'll definitely believe that's the case if devs start releasing more and more games with just 30 fps. It's actually a way more enjoyable responsive experience when I'm not playing in 30. I can't go back
I'm confused by this video. It's like a car review channel saying "Im tired of saying 'this year's model is better than last years' every year. You have to get into the specifics too much and I just like cars". Yeah, but you run a review channel geared towards superfans of cinema and certain IPs. These people absolutely want to be informed about how the latest LOTR or Marvel film looks, and things like HDR and DNR matter to them. The issue is not that "we are taking it too seriously", its that (by your own admission) you're not interested in the specifics of releases. Which is fine, but not if you want to run a 4k review channel. I'm also confused why you say you started nitpicking more because you felt like you were running out of ways to say "this is the best version". There's nothing wrong with saying that in every video if its the truth, unless your goal is more to maximize views/watchtime/revenue rather than to give an honest and informative review. If you think it's true, say it. No need to start digging for issues to find if you think its a good release. Overall, I'm just confused why you keep referring to "we" when it's clear you're talking about yourself and the channel you run. If you're just happy with the movies and don't want to get into specifics, why build a 4k review channel? You made a channel about the specifics! You set the parameters for this community. The title should be "I took 4k too seriously". We didn't tell you to do this, and you're the one choosing to "split pixels". You can have your cake and eat it too, nobody is forcing you to review in a certain way.
On your point of "scaring away newcomers" I am also confused. Newcomers come to your channel seeking in-depth reviews and information. If it scares them to get what they're looking for, that's their problem. 90+% of viewers just buy, they don't even think once about it. Those who do want more information will find it here and it won't scare them off. Honestly it's about time the general film viewing public learned something about TV settings.
Also, they absolutely will fix True Lies 4k and any other popular "botched" release. When are consumers gonna learn that companies will squeeze them for every penny. They have people on massive salaries who get paid JUST to think of ways to get you to buy your favorite show/movie/album/box set for the 5th time. If they can sell you something, they'll do it. It's just a question of when. They'll never leave money on the table when they have the gaping maw of unfettered capitalism to feed. Expect a "True Lies: Definitive 4k Special Edition with Added Bonus Features" in 5-10 years, probably alongside a reboot or spinoff or something.
I feel like you're shadow boxing with people that don't exist, and if they do they are in the extreme minority. People like their 4k's, they enjoy them, and they don't take it too seriously. I'm not on The Platform Formerly Known As Twitter anymore, I have a hunch that's where all the whackos and complainers are.
I don't come here to know if a movie is good or not. There are thousands of sites doing that. I think he will cannibalize his channel with this decision. I come here for the nerdy details of the transfer. I'll be going back to Blu-ray for com
As someone who hasn't quite made the jump to 4K yet, I have purchased quite a few 4K discs for when I eventually do. In the meantime, I'm still enjoying Blu-ray. This may be niche, but one thing I would like to know is if a film went through some 4K restoration, did they include an upgraded Blu-ray disc too? We know some Blu-ray discs, especially when the format was in it's infancy, could definitely benefit from a new remaster...would be nice to know if it's included with the 4K UHD release.
A few that I can think of off the top of my head are Reservoir Dogs and The Shining. I double-dipped on both with the 4K release, a 4K disc for future use and a really nice Blu-ray upgrade from my ~15 year old Blu-rays.
Where do you usually buy your blu ray / 4K discs from?
@@TheV6Guy whatever brick-and-mortar or sometimes online.
I see your point, but honestly, I think we should be critical, especially about a filmmaker like James Cameron putting out mishandled discs and spearheading it. If studios get the idea that overusing DNR and then re-sharpening movies is a good standard, they'll run with it. I think that's the kind of thing we SHOULD raise our voices against, we can't just sit blindly by and accept that. But yes, generally speaking most 4K discs are absolutely great and we are living in wonderful times. I think the irony is that smaller labels like Arrow, Blue Underground, 88 Films and such are consistently outputting absolute gold. They know exactly how to handle films and I honestly wish they were handling the latest Cameron movies.
It's alright to be critical and nitpicky, but when it matters. If there's a single bonus feature missing from a disc, if Atmos isn't on it but it still has a great surround track etc, then we are starting to be a little bit nitpicky.
I have started grabbing old horror movies on DVD from Goodwill and watching them on my CRT... so that's where I'm at right now lol
DVD lol VHS is where it’s at
I remember watching The Abyss on LaserDisc on a "huge" 32in CRT television 30 odd years ago! I've never had any media of it myself so can't wait to get my hands on a 4k version.
...I have both The Abyss on LaserDisc and a 32" CRT (and a 36" CRT). 😂
I'm still looking forward to the 4K.
The Pioneer laserdisc format , THX uncompressed sound, DTS sound on T2, original cut Star Wars Trilogy, Independence Day, the Killer and the Crow changed everything.
@@gregoryjenkins8645The entire reason I own an LD machine is for the original Star Wars movies. I have the CAV collector's set.
I did a marathon of them once... man... that is a lot of disc flipping (18 sides). 😂
@@TheBrokenTech It's worth it, BT. I was fortunate acquire Fox's Star Wars trilogy set on dvd, too, containing both original cut and current version w/ added scenes Lucas approved CG updates.
For me the barrier to me purchasing 4ks is the amount of positive reviews of really bad discs - this means reviews aren’t reliable.
4k blu-ray and 4k tv trash go back to 1080p blu-ray with 1080p tv
@@BlazetheCat-34079 i mean this isn't true. 4K can be exceptional
Jeff, thank you for making this video. I consider myself a fan of film first, not a collector of media. Which absolutely isn’t to say that I do not care about the films I love getting a good transfer, nor that I am not interested in any technical details, but at the end of the day what I care about is the experience of watching a film as a whole. I’m not sitting and microanalyzing every frame, I am not a film archivist. I think a lot of people in the community have become fans of discs rather than fans of film-while there is nothing wrong with that, I am happy to see a channel that is devoted to talking about blu-rays in a way that is accessible, practical, and relevant to the majority of film lovers, and speaks to a love a film rather than a love of blu-rays.
4k blu-ray and 4k tv trash go back to 1080p blu-ray with 1080p tv!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think there's still value in showcasing hard to find versions (e.g. German Princess Bride in 4k before it was available in the US in that format), best versions in 4K when there are multiple versions (e.g. Dracula/Black Hawk Down/MIB early 4K vs limited edition steelbooks with updated HDR, Dolby Vision, etc.) and call out occasional dogs (ELF skins tones, Inglorious Bastards, T2, etc.)
I have my German princess bride. And frighteners. Are black hawk down and Dracula any better? Cause I didn’t bite
@@robertfaulkner1824 No idea because I'm still saving for both. But MIB steelbook looks better than I've ever seen it.
I think you're wrong. We need to stop giving laziness, inaccuracy and revisionism a free pass. 4K is the premium of premiums, it is not for the average Joe. It is for someone who wants to collect, preserve and experience movies in the best way possible. The Godfather Trilogy, American Graffiti, Heat & now these James Cameron releases are wrong wrong wrong. It's as simple as that. 4K does NOT look better '99.9% of the time'. Colour grading and audio - especially where it concerns original theatrical audio tracks (mono, stereo, 5.1 ect.) are vital. They are not insignificant details.
"If you like the movie, watch it on the best format" - this makes zero sense.
Also, the issue with these Cameron releases is that they set an awful precedent for studios running masters through an AI algorithm, cleaning it up and sterilising the image with no human care or attention to detail, then selling us a lazy 'upscale'.
What’s wrong with Heat 4K? I got it last year and besides some updated color grading, didn’t notice anything. It’s always been a softer looking movie than most
@@ramirezs316 Updated colour grading is revisionist, plus it's too bloody dark!
Great stuff Jeff! I buy what I love and on the best format possible. I think it's Great that things are now getting restored that never had a chance before. Thanks Jeff!
Any movie is a product of its time. When paying for home viewing the experience should be just that, a product of its time. If the Director (or studio) wants to retool it or make it 'better' for modern audiences or technology that is great, but you should not sacrifice the original work of art.
Jeff, I appreciate your take on this, and I agree with what you're saying, but only to a point. Yes, we shouldn't be "splitting pixels" to the point where it creates anxiety and takes enjoyment out of watching movies. Where I draw the line, however, is when studios and companies do things that make a movie WORSE. The biggest culprit, by far, is DNR, These days, there's pressure to make movies look "like new" which usually means scrubbing grain. I used to be one of those people who would shrug and say "what's the big deal?" until I learned how much it can actually worsen a picture, and we definitely don't need that when these discs are costing so much $$$ to begin with. To be fair, I know there are people who don't care and would rather have the grain removed, which I get. However, most people who care enough to collect would be bothered by it, and rightfully so.
I gave up on 4K blu rays a while ago. Way too many came scratched out of the case since they aren’t as scratch resistant as regular blu rays. And I’ve had too many that freeze or skip even on different players. I get regular blu rays all the time loose in the case from Amazon and they play just fine. For me blu ray is the best compromise for quality of image and stability of the disc. Plus they are way cheaper. I’ve expanded my collection SO much more since going back to blu ray since I can get about 3-4 blu rays for the price of one 4K title most of the time. But to each their own. I just want to enjoy the movies in my collection.
If Cameron did a true 4k scan of the negatives with original audio included with the dolby atmos and included them with these AI versions, then it wouldn't be so bad. What you don't realize is that what Cameron did sets a VERY BAD precedent and other director's will start doing the same bad practice.
They were rescanned in 4k from the original negatives, as confirmed by Lightstorm.
I do not think that is a real risk, most will never have the budget to do that. We should be happy if there is budget and motivation to do a 4K at all
I wasn't sure about this but could not find the source of this information. Do you remember where you got this info? Thanks in advance.@@Selrisitai
@@edrooney1967 They are lying; these are 100% upscales, rather than fresh rescans from the original negatives.
I think you're absolutely right. The UA-cam channel LE LABO DE JAY put out an interesting technical analysis of the new 4K disc of ALIENS. Since links are frowned upon by YT here’s the title: “ALIENS 4K Blu-ray TEST: In-depth technical analysis of a controversial release”. He comes to the conclusion that they have used the same source that they’ve used for the Blu-ray 14 years ago and NOT a new 4K scan. I find his arguments convincing.
(Sighs) what’s wrong with being a hobbyist?…better yet, a hobbyist/nerdist about something you love?…the globe has some skewed agendas these days. Leave us happy collectors be dammit! 👊🏽
I'm really glad that you're secure enough to follow your gut for the kind of videos you want to produce.
I will however contest that it is BECAUSE we live in a time where this amazing fidelity format is the norm that we must split hairs on specific elements like color-grading and focus. As you say: "4K is probably the last physical medium." The digital copies of a lot of several-decade-old movies produced for the 4K era could very well be the final time they are re-released and re-touched for public consumption - and therefore it would be that much more egregious to allow human error and technical oversights, however small, to bottleneck releases on a format that allows such a broad range of peak potential.
Come on man, this is about film preservation, who cares if they are better than the old blu-rays or dvds. This is not the point, James Cameron is trying to re-write cinema history, thats the real problem.
And not in a good way. He should let the studios and film restorers do their work and stop pushing that awful AI processing and DNR...
I literally followed you for 4K movie reviews
Awful take.
Holding the companies releasing these films to a standard is not taking it too serious it’s keeping it as serious as the money they want from me is.
If you don’t want a film preserved than why even release a disc? Just keep updating them with new audio mixes and color grades digitally?
If a company wants my money they better make a quality product not a joke! I guess when money isn’t that real to you it’s true value isn’t a thought either.
1/3 of every 4K disc released has issues and this talk is just helping that awful percentage grow.
Glad to see the Disney check cleaned for the positive reviews 😂😅🎉
100% agree! Sometimes you have to stop and smell the roses. There’s really no need to have the full theatrical experience in your home. That’s what the theater is for. If you enjoy the movie you will watch it in whatever format available.
I get that some people want the noise in movies 🎥 but as you have stated here the recent Aliens has never been this clear on 4K Tv 📺 & personally myself that’s why I watch 4k movies for that extra detail… most of us watched this movie on VHS 📼 so to see it like this now is a bonus ❤
I guess we’ll have to go watch a true 4K review from Spare Change or Movie 365 from now on.
Hey Jeff, I appreciate the video and good thoughts!
I agree about the mindset when approaching physical media. It's much better and healthier to be watching movies because we enjoy them, and not delving too far down the technical rabbit-hole and getting obsessed with details.
That said, I think it's still a positive thing that new releases are getting analysed and scrutinized so closely. When these discs are $35 to $50 AUD for a new release (or $50 to $80 for a steelbook) where I live in Australia, people need to be getting what they are paying for otherwise sales are going to drop, and the format will suffer for it. The argument could also be made that for many films they may be the highest quality form of archiving.
Keep up the good work and don't let the negativity get you down either way.
For disc comparisons, I watch “My Moonization” and his channel is great. No talking just the Blu-ray vs 4K disc.
We should take seriously. Especially when you’re paying $30-40. What I’m saying, we want the best format transferred, best picture quality and best sound.
Physical disc > streaming video
All day everyday 24/7
Is the 4K for Pirates of the Caribbean from the U.K. a better version than the U.S. 4k? I see they have the entire collection on 4k and was curious.
You're missing the point of the video dude
@@RkivUndergroundNo, I totally get it. Just a question I have had my my mind for a while. Diff regions sometimes have diff transfers is all. I buy all kinds of discs. 4k, Blu Ray, DVD.
Mate. Whether u live in UK or US. Just buy the format. I haven’t see any difference with the quality. That’s like saying I’m going to buy UK Version on 4K from now on, because sometimes u get great artwork that’s different from other regions. Surly u go for artwork before u purchase the blu rays.
TOTALLY valid question (and I do NOT have an answer, but...)
4k and physical media collecting (in general) ISN'T CHEAP! SOME efforts by studios and distributors are CLEARLY better than others and there ABSOLUTELY is value in considering reviews from trusted reviewers.
With GENUINE love and respect to Jeff, it really looks and feels like he is stepping away from the quality content creation that made him my favorite go-to for so many years! :(
From my understanding they're the same transfer. They're soft, mediocre transfers.
I'll take a good colour grade over resolution. The resolution on bluray is good enough that the way it's transferred does matter. Perfect example is Mad Max Fury Road or Pirates of the Caribbean. Fury Road bluray has the correct colour timing while the 4K doesn't. Same with Pirates. Doesn't matter if it's technically crisper, resolution isn't a look. If you can get the correct colour timing and high resolution, then great. But if a 4k comes out and the transfer is done wrong compared to an old bluray, the bluray is better.
One thing I have to add is we just bought the StudioCanal version of The Fifth Element even though we had the movie on 4k already but this new version is night and day difference better. We saw things we never saw in the movie before.
Honestly, when you can often get a Blu-ray with the UHD, it’s easy to futureproof if you don’t have a 4k player. I have to use my partners PS5 when I want to watch a UHD so I almost always get a 2-disc set
Wishing you all the best for the future but I watched your videos because of your insights into 4k, not film recommendations which I can find through better sources.
Why the hell should we accept these shitty AI upscales, when we know how much better they could look, with a proper 4K scan.
If this AI shit becomes the standard in the future, then I'm done collecting movies. I want the classics to look like film, not digital video, with fake AI "details".
If a cult movie label, can afford make a new 4K scan of an old 80:s horror movie. Then Cameron should be able to do it as well.
Jeff, you are somewhat going back on what you have said in the past, but you are totally owning up to it and evolving your message as a creator and keeping us updated. I respect you for this. We all need to evolve and grow. It's been fun to go on this 4K journey with you and also see you grow as a person/grow your family. Keep it up. I'm continuously trying to grow my channel into something I can be proud of. There's lots of great and differences physical media/movie voices out there and I'm happy to be one of them. You are one of the many I enjoy listening to. It's good to hear everyone's perspectives. LLAP
On one hand, I agree. On the other hand, give me full screen aspect ratio at home, dammit!
I still don't get the T2 hate. I think the 4k is amazing
I see what they are talking about but my main gripe is is how it’s only the theatrical on 4k if I remember correctly
I do think that for someone like me doing side by side comparisons is helpful and fun because if the movie is t that much better on 4k I will just keep my blu ray version. But I watch this Chanel mainly to see what’s coming out and being remastered because I don’t want to do the research myself
DVD still make more money than 4k & blu-ray since 06
@@donnellcoleman7784shut up