I just built a system that uses both. I have 18 brute totes, 36 plants. The HPA mist is needed for early lateral root development, and once a beard is formed, the atomizing fog helps nurture and feed those fine hyphae hairs.
damn. two updates, first postponed, 2nd is just beginning. clicked thru to see how it actually went! good luck on this system man hope things have come together for you would love an update to see how the test came out
Yeah sure, thanks for sending me here again 😂 like I don’t spend enough money as it is 😆 I purposely have to watch his videos behind my fingers so I don’t can’t see my credit card numbers 🤦♂️ It’s like I’m standing outside the toy store looking in at the new toys . I’m canceling my credit card - I’m canceling my credit card 😂
@@aeromah1062 for sure, not too much has progressed with me on the aero front, but others things have developed and got into the soil world but still want to continue to pursue the aero eventually
Thank you so much for posting. I love your channel and am learning a lot from you, please keep sharing if you start another channel or web site I will join and support. I haven’t seen what the problem is with any of your other videos. Why were you flagged I wonder. Again thank you and from a “ newcomer “ I’m very interested in aaa
Thanks brother! I'll never stop growing Aeroponics and I will try to take AA into a full grow out outdoors! Content will hopefully continue to grow and I expand my ambitions! Cheers!
this beats the shit out of DWC for the simple fact that the mist keeps the water cool, no need for a very expensive water chiller. I found this series while researching aeroponic systems to replace my Dwc. I'm making a change for sure.
Well we will see if it actually does best DWC. DWC is one of my favorites as well but, you have a solid point regarding the temps. If you are running a RDWC then the internal vs external pump is a big factor not to mention the constant infusion of the ambient air both in which driving up the water temps. I will do a side by side with that in the future. Give Aero a shot and see how you like it. When it's good it's good... but, when it's bad it's not so fun lol.
For evaporative cooling you need a low RH% and a lot of airflow, aero root chambers have a high RH% and not much airflow. I havent done DWC in a long time. It would be tricky to sort a level playing field for the side by side test because you cant run a DWC drain to waste. All things considered, a dialled in (HPA/AA) aero setup should gain a distinct advantage over a dwc assuming both are operated optimally. You always get better results from a method you enjoy, whether its aero, dwc or soil. ua-cam.com/video/XtHJH69asXo/v-deo.html
Can you please explain your “net pot” system there? Looks like a shower drain upside down? Is the top piece a pvc reducer? I really like how that is set up. I hate how hydroton is always rolling away and wish there was more of a lip that surrounded my plants like that.
Bro! Thanks for your information video. I have 1 question. If aeroponics system is really better hydro and soil for sure, WHY You don't use system like J.R. Strain. You can find their channel on UA-cam also. I'm never use aeroponics before, only coco coir with dripping systems and Deep-Water-Culture. But I hear abot great root system cause aeroponi and I'll be definetly try it. So I wanna build a good system. Do you have some advice for me or ....I don't know .... maybe any guides for aeroponic growing?
lol it's been a long time coming lol. Personally Atom... I think we know the outcome lol... but, got some theories as to why the roots develop the way they do. Outside of that suspending the roots will not really do much for the HPA i'm guessing..... the coverage is completely different from the AAA. The roots will make their way through the mesh pretty quickly. Concerns I have to address is to even out the feed cycles... I think in order to keep both plants going/growing at the same rate the HPA will have to feed harder/longer duration to keep up with the AA. I think once the roots grow down the penetration the HPA will get will be far less than AA. Atom jump in here with your thoughts. You are only of the only growers I know of that has been doing this for a long white. I've seen some new comers put out some content and it appears they are being bias towards a growing style and not taking the information openly accounting for the many factors that come into play. lol. Anyways, I will more than likely be showing the root development on this channel. I got flagged twice on this ch during the pandemic and I'm going to be posting on a site soon with just clips on this channel. As always Atom your input & insight is always valued and look forward to brainstorming and suggestions. Catch you guys later..... got to get on to other projects I got going on... I'll probably start posting on this channel to throw the scent of the enforcers off my trail a bit lol. Cheers guys!
@@aeromah1062 I am a newcomer who has learned a lot from watching your content and reading Atom's comments. Thanks. I've built a new type of Aeroponic setup (at least I've never seen anything like it before) that uses only a car battery and city water pressure. ua-cam.com/video/rzA-0RTrxRc/v-deo.html
@@aeromah1062 AA and HPA both have their strengths and weaknesses but are equally interesting and fun. I think you need to be prepared to lose that neat mesh frame cos the roots prolly wont let you have it back without a fight ;) I`ve tried mesh in chambers and the roots tend to just ignore it, grow through and keep on going. Rest assured they will swallow the mesh whole when they run out of space. The first thing i would do is test the real flow rates of the nozzles in both systems, imho its mission critical. The AA tests could take a while if you plan to use different air pressures and/or siphon heights.
Try senningers for HPA mist, and Aeroscience for dry fog. I’ve tried a lot of atomizing nozzles and the best ones are the specific ultrasonic type sold by Aeroscience. A Chinese company also makes stainless versions. You can get them on eBay for $30.
@@jonosterman2878 It becomes clear why you need to run both HPA and AA nozzles to get the job done, i wouldnt recommend buying the aeroscience nozzles for that very reason.
@@HollywoodShezzy try either bete or schlick nozzles (model 940 for example) both are the leading manufacturers for air atomizing nozzles and provide the most documentation one could ask for. for most precise control use external mixing nozzles, so you can adjust water flow and droplet size with water and air pressure
@@atomizer2665 external mixing pressure fed nozzles would allow for most precise control, but comes at a cost of 2 additional pieces (pressure tank, and water pump)
Bro show us the system.. pot heads shouldn't make a video. Came to see the difference all i hear is talk talk talk .. 5 min in, blah blah blah is right
I just built a system that uses both. I have 18 brute totes, 36 plants. The HPA mist is needed for early lateral root development, and once a beard is formed, the atomizing fog helps nurture and feed those fine hyphae hairs.
I would simply adjust the AA nozzles air/liquid pressure/siphon height to provide the correct range of droplet sizes.
I'm super intrigued by the idea of using the mesh net to suspend the roots. I've never heard of that before but it's an ingenious concept.
We need a complete update 🤯
damn. two updates, first postponed, 2nd is just beginning. clicked thru to see how it actually went! good luck on this system man hope things have come together for you would love an update to see how the test came out
Oh man it has been a minute! And I somehow missed this video!!! Hope all is well man!
Yeah sure, thanks for sending me here again 😂 like I don’t spend enough money as it is 😆 I purposely have to watch his videos behind my fingers so I don’t can’t see my credit card numbers 🤦♂️
It’s like I’m standing outside the toy store looking in at the new toys . I’m canceling my credit card - I’m canceling my credit card 😂
Yo whats up man! hope all is good with you as well. Need to catch up with you lol
@@aeromah1062 for sure, not too much has progressed with me on the aero front, but others things have developed and got into the soil world but still want to continue to pursue the aero eventually
Thank you so much for posting. I love your channel and am learning a lot from you, please keep sharing if you start another channel or web site I will join and support. I haven’t seen what the problem is with any of your other videos. Why were you flagged I wonder. Again thank you and from a “ newcomer “ I’m very interested in aaa
Thanks brother! I'll never stop growing Aeroponics and I will try to take AA into a full grow out outdoors!
Content will hopefully continue to grow and I expand my ambitions!
Cheers!
Nice set-up 👍
Being completely inexperienced, I couldn't figure out whether the HPA nozzle resides in the container on the right or the one on the left. 😅
this beats the shit out of DWC for the simple fact that the mist keeps the water cool, no need for a very expensive water chiller. I found this series while researching aeroponic systems to replace my Dwc. I'm making a change for sure.
Well we will see if it actually does best DWC. DWC is one of my favorites as well but, you have a solid point regarding the temps. If you are running a RDWC then the internal vs external pump is a big factor not to mention the constant infusion of the ambient air both in which driving up the water temps.
I will do a side by side with that in the future.
Give Aero a shot and see how you like it. When it's good it's good... but, when it's bad it's not so fun lol.
For evaporative cooling you need a low RH% and a lot of airflow, aero root chambers have a high RH% and not much airflow. I havent done DWC in a long time. It would be tricky to sort a level playing field for the side by side test because you cant run a DWC drain to waste. All things considered, a dialled in (HPA/AA) aero setup should gain a distinct advantage over a dwc assuming both are operated optimally. You always get better results from a method you enjoy, whether its aero, dwc or soil. ua-cam.com/video/XtHJH69asXo/v-deo.html
Can you please explain your “net pot” system there? Looks like a shower drain upside down? Is the top piece a pvc reducer? I really like how that is set up. I hate how hydroton is always rolling away and wish there was more of a lip that surrounded my plants like that.
Bro! Thanks for your information video.
I have 1 question. If aeroponics system is really better hydro and soil for sure, WHY You don't use system like J.R. Strain. You can find their channel on UA-cam also.
I'm never use aeroponics before, only coco coir with dripping systems and Deep-Water-Culture. But I hear abot great root system cause aeroponi and I'll be definetly try it. So I wanna build a good system. Do you have some advice for me or ....I don't know .... maybe any guides for aeroponic growing?
Looking forward to this :)
Me too.
lol it's been a long time coming lol. Personally Atom... I think we know the outcome lol... but, got some theories as to why the roots develop the way they do.
Outside of that suspending the roots will not really do much for the HPA i'm guessing..... the coverage is completely different from the AAA. The roots will make their way through the mesh pretty quickly.
Concerns I have to address is to even out the feed cycles... I think in order to keep both plants going/growing at the same rate the HPA will have to feed harder/longer duration to keep up with the AA. I think once the roots grow down the penetration the HPA will get will be far less than AA.
Atom jump in here with your thoughts. You are only of the only growers I know of that has been doing this for a long white.
I've seen some new comers put out some content and it appears they are being bias towards a growing style and not taking the information openly accounting for the many factors that come into play. lol.
Anyways, I will more than likely be showing the root development on this channel. I got flagged twice on this ch during the pandemic and I'm going to be posting on a site soon with just clips on this channel.
As always Atom your input & insight is always valued and look forward to brainstorming and suggestions.
Catch you guys later..... got to get on to other projects I got going on... I'll probably start posting on this channel to throw the scent of the enforcers off my trail a bit lol.
Cheers guys!
@@aeromah1062 I am a newcomer who has learned a lot from watching your content and reading Atom's comments. Thanks. I've built a new type of Aeroponic setup (at least I've never seen anything like it before) that uses only a car battery and city water pressure. ua-cam.com/video/rzA-0RTrxRc/v-deo.html
@@aeromah1062
AA and HPA both have their strengths and weaknesses but are equally interesting and fun.
I think you need to be prepared to lose that neat mesh frame cos the roots prolly wont let you have it back without a fight ;) I`ve tried mesh in chambers and the roots tend to just ignore it, grow through and keep on going. Rest assured they will swallow the mesh whole when they run out of space.
The first thing i would do is test the real flow rates of the nozzles in both systems, imho its mission critical. The AA tests could take a while if you plan to use different air pressures and/or siphon heights.
@@recessd4094 Checked out your vid and good job!! Keep me posted! We all got to work together and grow the community!
Hey do you have any other social media’s?
Can you tell me the name of those mist nozzles and where I Can purchase them? Thanks
which mist nozzles are you referring to? The AA is using a DIY one. The HPA is from the Mist King set up
@@aeromah1062 the diy
Try senningers for HPA mist, and Aeroscience for dry fog. I’ve tried a lot of atomizing nozzles and the best ones are the specific ultrasonic type sold by Aeroscience. A Chinese company also makes stainless versions. You can get them on eBay for $30.
@@jonosterman2878
It becomes clear why you need to run both HPA and AA nozzles to get the job done, i wouldnt recommend buying the aeroscience nozzles for that very reason.
update ?
where can you buy them?
Thats what i want to know ill try to figure out how ro make one once i have a bought device first
@@HollywoodShezzy try either bete or schlick nozzles (model 940 for example) both are the leading manufacturers for air atomizing nozzles and provide the most documentation one could ask for. for most precise control use external mixing nozzles, so you can adjust water flow and droplet size with water and air pressure
what do i need to build my own system like this can someone send me what i need and possibly the cost
You need air atomizing nozzle or two (siphon fed), 12v solenoid(s), a 12v cycle timer and ideally a silent air compressor.
@@atomizer2665 external mixing pressure fed nozzles would allow for most precise control, but comes at a cost of 2 additional pieces (pressure tank, and water pump)
I would have just supplemented oxygen or air with an HPA system using a Venturi injector. I think AAA is an overkill and not required at large
You have to experience HPA and AA to know the difference.
Bro show us the system.. pot heads shouldn't make a video. Came to see the difference all i hear is talk talk talk .. 5 min in, blah blah blah is right