Depths of DS9 S5 Ep. 13 - FOR THE UNIFORM
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Sisko goes full WAR CRIMINAL.
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"YOU BETRAYED YOUR UNIFORM!"
"The Uniform betrayed me _first!"_
Yes i did
What of it?
Your tailor will be most displeased...
@@DocFlamingo Ahh, poor simple Garak. 😞
So did you Sisko.
Cisco being all Oprah at the end. "You get a war crime! And you get a war crime! Everyone gets a war crime!"
Sisko stacked war crimes like Oreos.
_"Am I under arrest officer?"_
_"FIRE ALL PHOTON TORPEDOS!"_
"This chemcial weapon will damage nothing on the planet, and only murder Cardassians"
And nothing of value was lost
Darn Spoonies deserve no quarter and no mercy.
[Miles O'Brien liked that]
"What's it like to end another sentient being's life?"
"I wouldn't know. I've only killed Cardassians."
Very considerant towards any Orion Girl that might be on that planet😂
"O'Brien why won't you stand up? "
"No Reason."
I forget the episode... but Quark is explaining to Garek that humans are capable of horrors and violence that would make a Klingon blush. Was good too
The old addage, "Demons run when a good man goes to war"
Humanity are peaceful by choice but FAR from pacificsts, i mean hell we CRAVE carnage, look at all of our media, both fictional and non-fictional
I do think it's a small, but regrettable omission, to not give Garek a chance to be taken aback by the heel-face-turn of Sisko. "I thought humans of... /your/ type of character didn't do this sort of thing?" Something to that effect. Drawing an even finer point on the 'Eddington is forcing Starfleet to behave Cardassian in his quest to destroy Cardassians' commentary. The "poisons Cardi's only" thing really was a minor bit of lazy writing, trying to make Eddington seem rational...but they apparently forgot that terrorists are inherently hypocritical and lacking in introspection --there was no need to polish his morality for Sisko's arc to work.
The Siege of AR-558
Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.
@@tombarnett937 It is a plot contrivance to have these weird things that only hurt cardis or humans, but Eddington is a great example of the Federation's "everyone wins because I'm so smart" attitude. He thinks that not only are his attacks completely justified, but also that they have created a landscape where (once completed) no-one can ever challenge the status quo again. It's like he thought so long and so hard to come up with his perfect solution and no-one would do anything he didn't expect. And that's the hubris of the Federation right there. Using amazing science to solve problems and then being shocked that someone comes along and smacks them right in the mouth.
Also, the ROOT BEER speech about human insidiousness.
SISKO: "Report"
KIRA: "every computer system is down"
...she says as she looks at the computer screen telling her which of the every computers are down.
My favorite type of cereal sci fi: oops all war crimes
You dont talk your enemies into da feet. They cant rebel if they cant breath.
Here's a fun fact you may not know: Ken Marshall, the actor who played Michael Eddington was also the main character in the movie "Krull".
Holy crap, really?! I knew Liam Neeson was in it, and the Animorph was the sarcastic teacher from the original Willie Wonka movie.
I only discovered that recently. Saw Krull on tv and he looked familiar. I was like "who iz diz mannnnn?" Then shook me up when I realized it was him.
He also voiced Arsen Lupin in the animated series back in the 90s or 00s. Can’t recall which decade specifically. He was awesome.
@@barryelverson9486 I don't know what that is. But, his IMDb page doesn't mention it.
MAJOR, SHUT THAT THING OFF!
Ira Steven Behr, et al, knew how to explore the complexities of Starfleet and its inherent paradoxes and contradictions, without resorting to mindlessly "subverting audience expectations" by demeaning and bastardizing canon. That skillful balance highlights the difference between a terrific writer and Alex Kurtzman.
@@Archedgar Because he can rock a blue beard.
Only because of one thing: time. Today, he's as woke as they come, and he'd be right there cranking out STD episodes if his career was still going. He did this in the 90's, when the liberals were the more "middle ground" side.
@@logicplague Unfortunately, this is 100% correct. His lamentations regarding social issues he couldn't address in the What We Leave Behind doc was 2nd most cringe-worthy moment, behind the Kira Nerys "Bitch" montage.
And they call Dukat the villain
Dukat did nothing wrong.
@@ekscalybur He did so much for Bajor but where are the monuments, the statues? If it were anyone else running things, there would be no Bajor.
Sisko did nothing wrong
Sisko: "To me, it was Tuesday."
Dukat: "I was just warming up for a proper genocide."
@@TheSolidSnakeOil not even a thank you card
Life was better back then.
It was indeed. Too bad so many think that's just rose colored glasses.
Well yeah. We had a society back then.
It's absolutely wild that DS9 is almost as far removed from today as TOS was from DS9.
@@omni-hexagon3514how do you rate the first 5 series (TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, & ENT) best to worst?
@@omni-hexagon3514 😢 that's messed up, man..
A rare and precious commodity on this site. A Depths of DS9 episode.
Side note, i was never a particular fan of the eddington character, but the performance and writing they put in front of Avery Brooks for this arc was phenomenal.
Sisko nuking a planet like youtube nukes your depths DS9 episodes.
Razorfist reignited my childhood love of DS9. Rewatching it again with my wife. Thanks much Razor!
The older I get, the more I love DS9.
When I had to put down my 13yr old cat, in my depression I binged 90s SciFi. Hercules, Power Rangers, Star Gate, Star Trek, Lex, Dr. Who. Even the "bad" stuff is better than Today's hits.
Same here. I loved it as a kid when it was on the air, but now it is just so much better. Babylon 5 may not have aged as well, but it is still in the same league. We were spoiled in the '90s.
@@almostontimehero5415 sorry to hear that ...don't forget Highlander to your list ....agreed so horrible today I'd rather watch Renegade
DS9 is what kirksman trek wishes it could be
Sisko: "Computer, play something.... relaxing."
Computer: "Acknowledged." **sounds of marquis women and children screaming in pain**
ZzzzZzzzzzz
Sisco: 'Wharf'
Wharf: 'Yes sir'
Sicco: 'You see that Maquis planet?'
Wharf: 'Yes sir'
Sisco: 'I don't want to see it anymore'
Wharf: 'Sir?'
Sicso: 'Did I stutter?'
"Sorry sir, I'm just a waterfront area meant to dock ships. You ought to speak to my friend Commander Worf. Also...who are you and where is Captain Sisko?"
@@chaosgyro Not to be confused with Captain Sysco, who ran Jerec's pimphand.
You could feel Sisko's fury through the screen, his righteous indignation.
Im calling it the 'Sisko maneuver' could solve so many problems in the other shows lmao
DS9 is probably my favorite show of all time. Watch it all the way through every year or so. It's damn good to see you guys getting back to this.
In a season 7 episode, newly joined Ezri tells Captain Sisko that Worf felt intimidated by him. Sisko chuckles at this and questions it. I remember thinking, "MFer, you ordered Worf to launch torpedoes to nuke a planet! Of course you intimidate him!" 🤣🤣
Picard annoyed Worf , Sisko put the fear of god into Worf especially when he heard that Sisko punched Q
Oh shit depths of DS9 is back on UA-cam!
This is a re-upload. I guess Razor had to edit it for copyright reasons.
He always does. And that one usually gets shut down too.
It’s only a war crime if your side loses 😁👍
Actually: It only a war crime if everyone notices it.
I love the shit out of this episode. Sisko knows when NOT to back down.
Sisko is unable to remain professional when Eddington is involved. It's very personal for Sisko and what he really hates is that Eddington was completely right. Sisko was the villain everytime Eddington showed up.
But only because Eddington made him into one...that's kinda the point. Sisko turns the tables by willfully playing the part, and ends a genocidal spree that would have claimed countless more lives and likely conflagrated into a regional conflict. It proves that Sisko /wasn't/ a villain, and Eddington only got as far as he did because his fellow duelist was being merciful in the hopes Eddington would relent, believing him to not be a true villain. Sisko got serious the instant Eddington showed himself to be implacably ruthless, and ended the fight.
Actually - and this is something I did not realize until watching Classic Trek again - Sisko did not commit a crime, according to Starfleet. Why? _General Order 24,_ which gives Starfleet officers the authority to destroy all life on a planet...And that wasn't a one-off, because it was referenced in two separate episodes, _Whom Gods Destroy_ and _A Taste of Armageddon_ .....Sisko is still a villain who got away with it, though, because he did it for personal revenge rather than operational concerns, and Eddington - while still a mutineer and criminal - was not wrong in his monologue to Sisko about the Federation vs the Borg.
EDIT: I knew it was G/O 24 when I wrote this, but I keyslipped, and typed "34" instead of "24". Thanks to @Reiman33 for the correction. 👍
that seems to be a very very loose interpretation of Starfleet General Order 34.
General Order 34
All Starfleet personnel and/or Federation civilian contractors shall follow a superior's order to the best of their ability, unless said orders should conflict with the regulation laid out in these orders.
I think you may have meant General Order 24. Even then, this is pretty loose as the Maqui were humans.
General Order 24
If a commanding officer deems that a planet has been culturally contaminated to a point where correction is no longer viable and said culture now poses a direct threat to Starfleet personnel or Federation civilians, he may order the destruction of a planet’s surface to occur within a time limit set upon invocation.
A morally bankrupt federation defense attorney could argue the planet itself was contaminated by maqui "culture" and said culture is a direct threat to the federation in creed. But it clearly violates the spirit of the order.
@@Reiman33 I stand corrected -- typo/keyslip. Fixed.
I got the feeling the ship being disabled and having the computer core wiped was really Sisko. I mean think about it, no ships log to record any war crimes.
There are clearly bombs planted on the Malinche inside job you telling me a tiny marquee fighter can melt titanium beams on an Excelsior class ship they are also using old outdated Federation fighters they needed justification to go into the DMZ false flags!!!! They call me crazy but that Romulan senator just happened to get blown up light years away from Romulan space where did he go where did he stop off only place is DS9!! YOU CANT HIDE THE TRUTH!!!
Sisko must've trained at the ATF academy.
🎼It's been a long road, geting back here in tow🎵
We have bread and circus to get us through the apocalypse. Thanks Razor ❤
Avery Brooks is the Sisko for a reason
I clicked on the Actions of a War crime
I wish they had left Tom Paris as the top Academy cadet who got expelled in Wesley’s TNG episode. That would’ve been a lot more interesting. He would have joined the Maquis after that, then to prison a couple of years later.
They would have had to pay royalties to the author of the Wesley academy episode for every episode a character he created appeared in.
Paramount's official cope is that Locarno was still "a boy" when VOY began, and they wanted an older character for the Paris lore.
In the original Star Trek TV series it emerges in one episode that there is a standardized order that Kirk can give to have his ship start vaporizing cities on a planet. Star Fleet definitely was a military in that series and it implies that space war would be extremely destructive rather than just space ships having duels in the middle of nowhere.
Kirk even says it’s a combined branch when asked if its army, navy, or air force
Biden on the TV
"Major, shut that thing off!"
Uploading on Depths of DS9 on UA-cam, Razor are you ok?
Where are they normally?
@@Joely7-vr7oh unauthorized TV
Sisko does the whole captain thing so well, he even commits war crimes better than Janeway.
I loved this episode. You know when an order is extreme when it makes a Klingon flinch.
The next two-parter(By Infernos Light) is one my favourites.
Sisko makes an even better villain than Gul Dukat.
That's saying something.
No wonder Gul Dukat is jealous.
Real glad you didn't wait until the end of Season 5 to drop a Depths of DS9 teaser.
Adds to the line where Ezri Dax says the Sisko intimidates Worf.
Don't worry, they're safe. They're only warcrimes when you are at war. When you aren't at war they're just enhanced interrogation techniques.
If you watch this with closed captions on it says dude created a nerve agent that specifically targets Kardashians. 😂 Oh, we could only dream couldn't we fellas?
The Sisko finally completely loses it and turns into Captain Ahab.
Starfleet in Picard and Sisko's largely forgot that they were originally a military.
Sisko: “You betrayed your uniform!!!”
Also Sisko: “I CAN live with it…”
The only difference is that all of SF Command approved of it, willing to look the other way. They all betrayed their oath.. and damn was it the right call. It's scary to imagine what would happen if they didn't.
@@nihilisticpoet Like he said in that Episode "In order to save SF we may have to go to war, cause we are losing the peace!"
@@nihilisticpoet It’s been a while, but I can’t remember Starfleet Command being aware of it. I thought Sisko erased his log and kept a lid on it.
Yeah. This episode was so dope. Really got to see the full-fledged hardcore persona of Sisko and a definitive way in which he differs from Picard and also Kirk.
February 1997 we got four classic DS9 episodes in a row... 🏆
For the Uniform, In Purgatory's Shadow, By Inferno's Light, & Doctor Bashir, I Presume
One of the best episodes of one of the best sci-fi series.
Eddington being a technical genius is not a plot hole. Remember when he transferred the transporter patterns of the crew into the memory of Quark's Holosuite?
I remember when this episode came out, I was playing a lot of the 1994 TIE Fighter game at the time, and this episode made me want a show from the perspective of the Empire, WITHOUT the main character defecting or any such nonsense.
So what DS9 is saying is that Trump will be revered in the future. 😱
I love it when literature is discussed in DS9. Garek's thoughts on Shakespeare made me chortle.
Having to reprogram the entire ship makes me think that the Starfleet engineers are less engineers and more I.T. "Hello. I.T. Have you turned it off and back on?"
YOU GET A WAR CRIME, AND YOU GET A WAR CRIME, EVERYBODY GETS A WAR CRIME!!!
I mean to be fair we saw that with the proper upgrades an Excelsior class can go toe to toe with the Defiant so if that ship had been upgraded I can see where the confidence comes from
"It's never a war crime the first time." - Fat Electrician
Avery Brooks for sure needs more work
What a fantastic episode you two did on this. I hope they let it stay up. You guys are some of the best ambassadors to Star Trek.
You know you've gone full war crimes when even Worf is like "Bro, are you serious?". 🤣
One of the best episodes of the entire franchise, bar none.
Worf should have refused to arm torpedoes, since the order was illegal
Worf just followed orders
Yeah for security think physical security but also cyber security and electronic warfare at that future level.
"Foreheadington" 😂
*Hears Quark’s Scream in Head*
intentions are good so there - while ignoring a path to hell is paved with good intentions
Man, for my favorite show and from my favorite season, I really have always slept on this episode. Thank you gents for reminding me this is Sisko at his best, and underlining how under rated Eddington is as a character.
Depths of DS9 sliding into my feed. Hell to the yeah.
I morally sided with the Marquee.
Remember: "It's not a war crime the first time".
DS9 Fuck Yeah!
My girl friend is a trek fan who never saw ds9. Just picked up the dvd's. Our nights are booked for the next few months.
I missed this episodes. DS9 discussion will always get me to click.
I'm going to have to do another rewatch (been probably 10 years or more now since I last watched DS9) because I don't remember this.
In the Pale Moonlight is a better episode as Garak elevates every one he is in and Garak makes a better foil as a devil on Sisko’s shoulder than does eddington as the revolutionary larper with literal main character syndrome, but this is the second best Sisko episode in the series.
Just want to point out that the magic poison does affect _some_ Humans but majoritively not. Think of it like certain pesticides that are mostly harmless to Humans but are of course deadly to bugs and insects. However, the writer seems to have forgotten that not all members of the Maquis are Human since there was a Bolian on VOY and some are Bajoran. And that’s not counting half-Klingon B’Elanna Torres.
I wish I had known he was doing these reviews earlier. This was absolute gold!
In space, no one can hear Miles...
If it was Picard Worf would be "Only two torpedoes, sir?".
He mellowed out with age.
Love this, you guys did a wonderful job with this one. LOVED the finale to this as well, the backing drums with the theme worked really well to give it such force without going over the top. One of my favorite DS9 episodes and you guys killed the critiquing of it splendidly. Godspeed Razor and Terran!!!
That episode intro is great.
The thing about sisko kinda getting a pass with the warcrime thing here is that he ended up pretty much just defusing the whole situation by trading planets with the cardies. Eddington gassed a planet with anti-cardie juice, sisko did one with anti-human juice, so the entire incident is a wash.
true but let's remember the cardassians were obviously gonna start yet another war asap and unlike the klingons who at least believe in some proper rules of engagement (hell the only time I think they've ever even planned on blowing up planets was when they thought the federation was gonna do it first ) the cardassians are basically a race of war criminals and should be shown no mercy
I miss seeing these on here.
I really like that you add the "next time on ds9" at the start.
I didnt watch the show on tv and im pretty sire the digital versions dont have them
Loved Brooks ever since "A Man called Hawk"....
Ditto
There is a little Captain Kirk and Alice Cooper in The Rageaholic, he should have had his own Star Trek franchise, and his starship should be named The Razor Fist, NGCC 666.
😄
The UFP charter states that Starfleet is the defensive arm
Back when they made decent science fiction.
Avery Brooks is one of the only reasons I love the cheesy action movie The Big Hit, hes a great cold mob boss in that movie (Lou Diamond Phillips is hilarious in this movie too). Man doesn't get the recognition he deserves
He should be in the Creed sequel as the rival trainer
PALE MOONLIGHT - Best episode
The Sisko Pimp Hand aka The Defiant
Commander Foreheadington. That is so awesome.
I agree with the point about Avery Brooks not getting enough work. Imagine giving him something like *flail* Felix Leiter, the CIA spook from the Bond franchise. Or make him one of the officers in a faithful Starship Troopers adaptation. Something where his intensity and gravitas would not just dominate but fucking PIMP HAND the screen.
Also, my one criticism of the episode is that because of the difference in reactions, it doesn't really feel like the Maquis using bioweapons is AS serious as Sisko doing it. I know there's this feeling that Sisko is going too far that they wanted to sell, but I think it would've been more impactful if we really felt that Eddington was ALSO a fucking war criminal and terrorist at this time.
One of the best episodes of the series imho
I don't understand something... Why does the Major give a shit shouldn't she be tap-dancing for joy as the Cardassians are purged from the badlands then asking her gov to perhaps start investing in Cobalt?
Quick! Watch this before it gets taken down!
Picard as a Captain is in third place for me. Sisko is a bad-ass, focused on results while trying to stay on the right side of morality if possible, which ranks second for me, while Kirk is in my 1 spot as he tries to punch and fuck his way across the universe while killing any alien computer he comes across.
yeah I find kirk more consistent cause let's be frank here sisko just pulled a tantrum at the end here and flipped the table
kirk would have just laid a trap for him since let's be real tracking him isn't that hard it's obviuous where he's gonna target