I'll echo the heated floors suggestion and add a half bath to the shop, maybe even a shower. I'm a builder and my philosophy is you can't have too many plugs or too many light fixtures. It's much more difficult to add these after the fact. Walk through the building with your electrician after it's standing and discuss the location of plugs, switches and light fixtures for immediate and future needs.
I would suggest visiting Messik's and look into a Grand L 6060 cab tractor. I love the features on our 3560 Grand L. Plus you don't have that traditional treadle peddle. Plus, the hydraulic skid steer auto attach is an awesome option.
@@PEI_Guy and provisions for a washer/dryer. Nice to have a separate one for the really dirty work clothes. I think it is code in most places but add a 50a plug for the electric vehicles/tractors that are coming.
Heated floors and half bath has worked well in my shop. Water fountain was a joke when we put it in, but has best thing we splurge on. Cool clean water keeps you hydrated.
Hi Tim, for your oak tree, can you get a company with a spade to come in and move it? Also, heated floors are a must, I’d also put in a good compressed air system, one that can be easily added on to. Having air and electrical outlets in the right places will save you from having extension cords and air hoses draped over your floor during projects. Congratulations on building your shop, I’m excited for you. God Bless you! 🇺🇸
@@kartkrazyha! All you guys are hilarious. 62” circumference. 19” diameter.@beeroquoisnation said I needed 1 ft of tree spade for every inch of diameter. So, I guess I need a 19’ tree spade. I think he has since deleted his comment since I can’t find it anymore. Anyway, 19’ diameter of dirt. Even 5’ deep would be, what…80,000lbs???
Also..... you shouldn't have to explain or apologize for your success. I have loved seeing the channel grow, as well as your property. Absolutely awesome. Congratulations!!
You might want to check with the County Assessor / Auditors Office to see what the tax value is for an "addition to the house" vs an "outbuilding". It might be significant - and permanent. That might make you reconsider whether you really want to attach this to your house or have it separate. This is really exciting stuff and I'm happy for you guys that you're in a position to do this project. Congratulations on the success of the channel!
Suggestions heated floors , pipe the compressed air around the shop. Several air hose and cord reels around shop and by every door to pump a tire up. Leave compressor in old building and trench a pipe from old building to new building with hose in it so you done have the compressor noise in the new shop.
One item is a pvc tube in the wall that allows you to run power or anything from inside your building to the outside without having to run it under the overhead doors. Have a screw on cap on each side to keep out weather when not in use
Congrats! My two suggestions for you. 1) semi truck size doors front and rear, with 18' wall height shouldnt be a problem. You may never need them that tall but a future owner may want the option to pull a truck/large rv/large travel or racing trailor in 2) allign the front garage door with the wash bay door. Could be a pull through if needed or a semi truck could be backed thru the building to unload in the small shop/stirage building in the back
Tim, I have two suggestions that you would never regret doing. Please see if a nursery can move that amazing tree for you with a spade truck and second, put PEX tubing in your floor to heat your new shop in the winter weather. I worked at a trucking company that did that and it was AMAZING!!!!!!! The recovery time after opening the doors was extremely short, it was very cheap on energy used and all the snow melted and the floor dried itself in minutes for safety. They originally burned the used engine oil to heat it with, but converted to gas because of not using enough of the oil I think fast enough. I hope you see this and can think of both options. I have really learned a lot from your channel over the years too.
1) I enjoy your channel. It is very educational. 2) I loved the computer graphic tour. Very visual. I’m not computer savvy enough to do anything like that. 3) Attaching everything to the house will be very convenient during the winter months. Looking forward to seeing the color of steel that is picked out and how it will contrast with the house. 4) I’m a believer that if you are going to have equipment that you should have it stored indoors. I have to tarp my mine as I don’t have a building. I’d love to have some sort of storage. I’m jealous of your build. I only have a total of about 5 1/2 acres between the yard, pasture and timber creek bottom. While I’d love to have a nice building, it sorta takes away from the need to have it if I’m using up the land that I need to mange to store items. Sorta of a catch 22 I’m in I guess. 5) Anyways, congratulations on your build, you deserve it. God will provide for you.
I came here because of a collab you did with Neil Koch, clicked the profile and saw a few videos about setting up the new house and have been binging ever since. Love this kind of content, building a new thing, vlogging etc. For example, have been enjoying the pond build, and lately the dock build. So very excited for building content. I do have one suggestion though, whatever you do we gotta have lots of Dave. Guy cracks me up.
We have cabinets each tractor has it's own, inside all services parts, plus work manuals, detailed schedule services for that tractor. All fluids are on spill pallet reducing spillage, slipping or fire risk. OHS cabinet for all safety gear, find out how reduce your insurance, keep records n updates on safety training as will help not just insurance company, but here in Australia government Workcover. All safety gear gets check twice a year whether it's my work or working for others. Dont forget spill kits, safety procedures books n signs. Waste bins, ask your local tip or dump what items can be recycled like oils, batteries, drums etc. Inside rain tank for storage of water, especially your climate.
I know you're a former computer nerd, but I'll still recommend putting plenty of network cable in the walls. Ports in the office, a couple ceiling drops for access points, etc. While not my day job, I do that stuff quite a bit so let me know if you have any questions.
Tim, I have a small shop on my small acreage. It is only a bit over 1,000 square feet, but it is priceless to me. Two things I did right that I would HIGHLY recommend to you would be to put hydronic hot water heat in the floor powered by a boiler system, and put at least a half- bathroom in it. A full bath/shower might be useful as well. Good luck on your project! It is exciting to plan these items. Also, I would recommend you seek out someone who has a tree spade service to see if your beautiful oak tree can be moved elsewhere on your property. Roger Gibbens
Hey Tim - You're more than welcome to come visit my new shop - which is a mix of metal, machine, wood and of course tractor stuff. I've been meaning to do a shop tour on my channel, but life has gotten in the way. You could also include a trip to DHH who is about 15 minutes from me at this point. Good luck with the build, excited to watch the progress.
You might consider radiant floor heat. Very nice on the feet when it's cold. Another thought is a loft or mezzanine area for smaller items. You can still have racks underneath or smaller equipment
Fantastic news! I had a revelation during my recent shop build FWIW from one of my contractors who told me to orient the entire building 90 degrees to put all equipment "straight in" including straight to my attachment pallet racks and he was right. To get maximum access and capability, orient it parallel to the house instead of perpendicular as the drawings show currently. Put garage doors on BOTH ends so it's literally a large drive through box with doors on both long sides. You can still put pallet racks or lofts or other large objects in front of the doors you don't want initially or in middle of the space for access from both "door sides". It sure is nice to be able to flex the space as you need to over time this way. Then wrap the driveway around the side of the building along the property line for access to the "back" doors. You may also want to make the main box of the building larger to cover the entire area where that narrower breezeway. Put porches off the shop's main corners that intersect the main house to blend into the house better and as a place to visit with folks who visit the shop. If you want to wall off heated/cooled areas for energy efficiency, consider industrial curtain dividers that slide open/closed instead of solid walls as well so you can flex the space over time on this aspect as well. Best of luck on your fabulous project!
My suggestion: have a brick facade on the front of the main shop. Need only be between waist to shoulder high and match the brick on your house. Believe me, it will make a huge difference.
Hi Tim. I will through in a few ideas and the reasoning that goes with it. 1. In floor Heating - It's not cheap, but it worth it in your climate to go ahead and run the tubing for in-floor heat. 2. lighting- Its easy to get carried away in this department, but make sure you have at least 100 lumens per inch minimum. I like my small shop at 120+ run a test and ensure that the cameras don't have a strobing effect before you buy all of the lighting fixtures. 3. Outlets- Make sure you have more outlets than you think you will need. With the future of power tools going electric, its worth making sure you have plenty of outlets and circuits to run everything you will need in 10 years. It's worth having a breaker panel box with a few extra empty slots for future expansion. 3A. Power- Make sure the wash bay plug is on a separate circuit than the wash bay lights. It really sucks when the breaker trips and the lights go out as well. Also run a dedicated 50 AMP plug on each side of the garage. It cuts down on the length/weight/cost of a 50 AMP extension cord. 4. Networking- Go ahead and run Cat 5E or Cat 6 internet cables for security cameras in the future. You're now a high profile target for thieves. Also, dedicate some room in the office (a small closet) for at least a half rack server. This can be used to back up footage, store CCTV footage, and possibly an editing server. 4A. Make sure the security system is on a battery backup AND the battery backup also supplies power to the cameras. I ran into this personally where the battery backup didn't provide POE and the cameras didn't work. 5. Concrete- Make sure the concrete is deep enough and strong enough for a future/ larger 2 post lift. It's cheaper to do it now than later, especially if you go with in-floor heating.
I had Amish build a 28’ x 48’ pole barn with 16’ doors to house a class A RV. It was up, under roof, and finished in 3 days, with 1 more day to pour the concrete floor. This was unfinished inside and I did the plumbing and electrical. The excavation to level the site took 1 day. The workmanship was excellent. My only suggestion to you is put in a proper backup power system. It won’t be that much extra money and once you have this new facility you will not want to roll out a tractor to provide backup power. If it’s important enough to keep some of your equipment warm, it’s work the price of an automatic backup power solution.
Fireproof walls on each side of the office space, especially if you are to keep flammables and/or chemicals in the shop, but I suggest to store them in the existing shop anyway. While heated floors is a great idea, make sure to mark where the heated lines are if you plan to install a lift later on or do not install lines where you plan to install the said lift. If you choose the local/cheaper contractor you can always hire an independant building inspector to check on the work between every major steps.
Heated floors, toilet with big sink, and a shower. A drive in vehicle wash 10 feet longer than your longest vehicle. Solar panels to power the building. We had solar panels (26 panels). Electric bill went from $250.00 average to a few dollars a month. Charging an electric car too. I like the idea of a tall door, semi or rv entrance. Maybe have the dutchdoor approach so you don't open the full door height when you open them in the winter.
I'm jealous. Congratulations. I couldn't locate the link to your website and typing in the address manually resulted in an site not found message. A lot of this has been said but I'll add my 2 cents. heated floors is a great idea and will be great in the winter. half bath or at least a water closet so you don't have to walk into the house when you're dirty. shower would be great not just for cleanliness but also as a safety feature if you spill fuel or some other material on you and you don't want to run into the house. Hot water and a deep sink is priceless. determine where your lift will go and route any plumbing or electrical in conduit in the slab. You don't want to hit either with a piece of equipment and break the connection. light switches for all lighting at either end of the shop plus at the door to the house. It would suck if you had to walk the length of the shop to turn on the lights. Ceiling fans would help with climate control, especially in the summer. There's a company called Big Ass Fans that make good examples. Copious amounts of outlets in 110/120 and a couple 220 outlets strategically placed. If you'll have a fixed work bench, determine what bench mounted tools you'll have and where they'll go. I have a bench grinder, hydraulic press, drill press, bench top belt sander, and ultrasonic cleaner. You'll want outlets for each. Perhaps even one or two retractable extension cords mounted to the ceiling. On the electric thoughts, discuss what tools you'll have to calculate how many circuits you'll need and discuss with your builder. Blowing a circuit breaker frequently is no fun. Not sure how many pneumatic tools you use but as with electrical outlets, air outlets are very convenient. If you do use pneumatic tools, consider mounting your compressor in a sound insulated closet with screened vents on the exterior wall(s) for ventilation. Consider a small kitchen area with a sink (separate from any shop deep sink), refrigerator, microwave, and cupboard space. Then you don't have to go in the house for a Dr. Pepper. For creature comforts, consider wiring for cable tv and consider putting in a tv so you can have the game on while you're working. Hope this helps.
Tim, This presents the perfect opportunity to upgrade technologically. In your new office area I would put a server/network closet. While you don't need to do a full build out on it now having the bones there will save you money in the long run. With all the fun toys, security camera's are a must. I would wire in plenty of drops for POE network camera's as well as some other general network drops around the shop. The office area I would wire for both 1 gig and 10 gig networks. This would allow you to put a storage server in the network closet for your youtube raw video. This also gives you the opportunity to isolate that equipment from the rest of the office both sound and HVAC wise. I am sure you have a qualified network person in your area who could assist with the details.
I agree with thistle. A tree service can move that tree, but for you it would be a good project to figure out. I like the proposal so far. Plenty of room for your toys and mine, too, so we’ll be right over, if Kenny doesn’t beat us to it! 🤣🙄 Oh, and for ideas, check out what Kyle and Greg do at the RR Buildings channel. When he had it for sale, I looked at his RR Headquarters 1.0, and now he’s moved and is finishing 2.0. He’s pretty far away from you here in Illinois, but it would be an interesting collaboration. I can tell you from being in his first building that it is magnificent! Matt Risinger visited and did a collaboration of sorts on materials.
Awesome plans man. Spray foam is a must. The difference between my spray foamed garage and roll insulated shop is huge. Also, consider a bead blaster cabinet and a small spray booth, both against a wall and vented outside. Makes refurbishing parts easy. Might consider one of those exhaust ducts that slips over a tailpipe and vents outside. Looking forward to seeing it!
Congratulations on the new garage/workshop build!! Here are my suggestions: 1) Like others have mentioned, i would go with radiant in floor heat. Also, i would have mini-split ductless AC with heat connected to a heat pump. 2) As others have mentioned, i recommend having a full bath (a sink, toilet, and a full-size shower or tub/shower combo). Why? This way, when you have to go to the bathroom, you don't have to run into the house to the bathroom. Also, when working in the workshop or outside and you get dirty, with the shower in the garage/workshop, you can get a shower and put on clean clothes. 3) if you are going to have any work benches, make sure you have plenty of electrical outlets and you have plenty of outlets throughout the building!! Also, make sure the breaker panel has enough room for expansion in the future. As others have mentioned. 4) Spray foam for the insulation!! 5) If you have an air compressor, make sure you run lines and have hose reels where you will need them! 6) i would definitely recommend going solar electric, with batteries and a backup generator! Also, solar hot water heater or a tankless for the bathroom. 6) have hard wired security cameras with battery backup, a security/alarm system hard-wired with battery backup, and have a server in a closet in the office for the security camera footage, the sever also battery backup. 7) If it is legal in your state, have a rainwater collection system to supplement your main water supply system (well or even city). You could even use the rain water for watering lawn, garden, and/or washing off equipment.
So cool to see your channel grow Tim and your passion for educating people. Have you thought about a floor pit for the new shop? Not sure what you use it for really, but I could see as you get oldwe it would be handy to have.
Wow! This project will be an EPIC TTWT ADVENTURE! You guys are so gracious to share all of your plan details with us. And ask for our input. I really like the layout of your new building. I can tell you are both putting a lot of thought into your plan. If you haven’t already. You may want to consider mocking up scale models of your larger pieces of equipment. Use them to determine the dimensions and the orientation of all doors, and window openings to your existing buildings. In other words. Virtually drive and or back your virtual scale tractors with equipment attached into the building. May the Lord grant you wisdom as you make the final plans.
Thank you Tim, as always. The seemingly endless decisions on a project like this can be overwhelming. We too are considering a building/barndominium/who knows what on our lake property. Somebody told me... it's like a gun safe, always make it bigger than you think you need or kick yourself later. I too have equipment that is unprotected from the weather, right now, drives me NUTS! All the best from Oklahoma!!!
I would recommend setting out equipment or boxes where you think you want your building and the start driving around it. Pulling trailers through where you want them to be or moving equipment around will help you know how it will work in reality. I recommend either a wall or wall with doors on your “barnyard” to the side facing the house. It will keep it looking more pleasant for your home being separate from work. That separation brings calm that many work from home folks lose.
DOORS, I’m so glad yall are moving forward with your future! Bay doors for different uses most important. Specific door for the lift, specific door for the trailer, wash bay, make an area for storage with its own door. Great luck!
Finished my 48x88 about a year ago and here’s a few things I did that I love. 1. Radiant heat flooring. Even if you don’t know if you’ll want it, you can’t go back so at least put in the insulation and tubing before pouring concrete. You can always go back and hook it up later but let me say, it’s the best heat out there. You’ll never be cold working on the floor. 2. Put at least one overhead door on the opposite side of the building as the main garage doors. The cross breeze it creates will cool the barn down considerably especially if you put in some ceiling fans. 3. Scissor trusses are not much of an increase and gives you way more head room and makes the building feel larger. It’s night and day difference for not much more money. 4. The small 3x7 windows that allow light in that can be put between the posts are relatively cheap and you cannot put too many in. Mine was built by the Amish using Graber Pole Buildings as a supplier which I believe is an Indiana company. Been happy so far. Couldn’t find a link to upload photos.
Look into transplant. Using a tree spade. They can move fairly large trees. I moved 3 when I wanted to build a garage. 2 maples & a sycamore. The sycamore is about 80 ft. plus now. Moved in 1991.
After the floor is poured, and before anything is moved in, do donuts with the e-quad thing! 😁 After that pull in every single piece of equipment for an epic thumbnail shot!
Wash bay, good idea but check on the requirements for collecting the water from the bay. I'm a volunteer fire fighter in MA. We had an old floor drain to collect water that drained to a dry well outside. Ended up closing off the drain as the requirements now required a catch tank to collect the water (and oil) and have to get the tank pumped out when full and taken away. The trucks now get washed outside. (The drain didn't work well anyway and needed to be fixed)
I'm really happy for you guys that you're building another shop to expand your channel. Use of mezzanines to maximize square footage within your building footprint is a great idea. We use them all the time in our industrial buildings. Also go as wide as possible with your doors to allow lots of room for turning and possibly moving long items inside the building that you may need to pick and swivel off a boom. The floor heat is also well worth the up front expense as many others have mentioned. Keep up the great work I really enjoy the channel!
Tim- I say, if you have the money, have fun and build what you want. Just don't make the mistake of not building it big enough...don't ask me how I know this. Looks like a great floor plan, and the elevations look good with the rest of the house. I especially like the indoor wash bay! That would be sooooo cool! I look forward to seeing the project take shape. About the space between the buildings- the hardest part is getting a trailer aligned to back in without enough space. I have similar situation (though on a much smaller scale, buildings were here when we bought the place). I can get the trailer out OK, but the back in is tough without having enough space to pull far enough forward to get square to the door opening. Definitely want to mock up building lines and maneuver your rigs to see how much space you will really need. Take care.
My previous comments were before you got the the costs. You don't have to apologize to anyone about how you choose to spend your money, manage your business, or live your life. I also put off a big building project at the start of the Covid fiasco and still haven't moved forward. We'll see this week which way the county decides to go.
Awesome plans Tim! can't wait to see this progress, congratulations on your growth! My suggestions would be a heated floor with a boiler that can also consume used motor and hydraulic oil as fuel for heating your shop, and to plumb the walls with airlines with quick connects in various locations so you can always access compressed air rom any spot.
I would suggest burying multiple conduits connecting the existing shop to the new one for possible future needs, also I agree with radiant floor heat, uniform heating and nicer when working on equipment in the winter
I see several comments about floor heat - I agree - I have in floor heat in my shop and it is very nice. Obviously planning for any penetrations prior to the pour (2 post lift, floor anchors, etc) is imperative prior to the pour. I have duplex outlets at 6-8’ intervals around my shop and it is nice. I have re-arranged my shop several times - and I have not had any problems working with the location of the outlets. I did most of my electrical in exposed conduit, which makes it easier to add or change the layout. Looking forward to the process you will be going through.
Heated floor is always good. BUT if you are going to be bolting anything to the floor, be very careful. Also run your foundation walls to 6" above finish floor. Start your wood framing then. This will keep the building from rotting off. and IF you are thinking post and frame, do NOT bury the posts. My father did that for his garage. ended up 20 years later putting in a foundation because the posts rotted off. make sure an put a 2 hour fire wall between the garage and the office. What ever you do with the wash bay, I would not use steel. I would go FRP panels with caulked joints or joints meant for water. Steel will rust faster than you think. FYI, I design buildings for an Architectural firm here in NE Iowa.
Tim and Christy, this is so exciting and I looking forward to “riding along” on this adventure with you folks. What a blessing to have the input from so many folks and their experiences to help you on this journey. Blessings.
For your wash bay, I would build similar to what Larsen Farms has up in Minnesota. You can find it in one of their videos. Just this. Past year they attached a new water “softening system. And I would turn the 2 post lift 90 degrees so it would be easier to load when coming in that door. Brian Brown Farms, another UA-camr, built a new shop this past year. You may want to look at some of his videos they did and did not do.
I am excited for a new building series of videos. I appreciated your comments about saving for the building over time because of an uncertain future. Not many folks today have the patience required for delayed gratification. I wish you luck and will be following along.
Drainage: you have done quite a bit of work here, but don’t under estimate the amount of water that an “addition” that size will shed during a rain. Also, you will likely require a larger electrical service. If you require material they don’t have on hand, it could cause delays. You should reach out to your local utility to share your plans.
There are several suggestions I could make, having worked almost 25 years in a company shop. First is a shop bathroom with shower. The shower may not see your daily use, but it is there for extremely dirty or oil soaked situations. It will also be a great item if dealing with herbicides. Floor drains are a must. Ours had an EPA certified main drain in the middle of the shop with service cleanout next to the outer wall. I didn't like the arrangement as every piece of wet equipment brought in drained to the center of the shop to the drain. Any blowing rain would leech small amounts of water around the overhead doors that would have to travel to the drain across the shop floor. I would rather have the drains near the entry door to eliminate water migration. You need about double the power outlets you think you need as well as air connections. Make sure the air and power are available outside as well. Especially if you have an outside work area. Have more than one spot to power your welder if it is 220v, ours were 480 3 phase with multiple locations available to insure reach for repairs. Be sure to plan for the necessary headroom needed if installing a loft. ( I would suggest 20' ) Our shop was 22 + foot tall which gave a full 8 foot ceilings in the two office areas and slighly over 8 foot in the loft once the wooden office ceiling/loft floor was deducted from the height. We had two full length tube heaters on either shop wall for heat. They worked well, but you will need to clean the reflectors occasionally for maximum efficiency. Radiant floor heating would have been nice, but I cannot say which will be the most efficient for your project. Perhaps a combination of the two if affordable. The tube heaters to well to warm cold equipment during winter. A few random thought for your consideraton. Todd
Something we did at the farm I work at is put the air lines under the concrete. Also if you put in floor heat in you have to be careful when drilling into the concrete. So plan ahead with your lift location! Exciting days ahead for you and Kristi!! Have fun!
Happy to see you folks are able to plan a long term strategy. A couple of ideas for the build out. Fire proof that extension. Since it is connected to your residence, do what you can to contain a fire if it should ever happen. High ceilings is a great idea. Not only for storage as you mentioned, but also an opportunity to install a BAF industrial ceiling fan. Cooling and heating can get expensive, but a simple fan can help keep cost down. Consider your crosswinds. If the wind path tends to blow into the home, make sure you install an exhaust system to help ventilate the place. Consider investing a narrow aisle forklift, they have a tight turning radius and have high reach. Drains, do not forget the floor drains. Good luck!
I would echo the other comments about a heated floor. As far as general building ideas, I would refer to Matt Risinger, another UA-camr. He does things right the first time, and I would look to him for ideas if your builder wants some. As far as comments about money, I wouldn’t worry about them at all. I know that’s easier said than done, but anyone that has been following you guys should understand you are not rich people that flaunt money, far from that in fact. I’m happy that you two are able to do this project and look forward to future videos about it!
So happy for you! Glad you are able to do this and thank you for the detailed explanation. I am excited for this journey! I highly recommend doing floor radiant heat in the concrete. We have it in our shop and its great, very efficient and effective. Also depending on the sun position to you, i would do solar panels, tons of grants for new buildings to receive solar. Would offset electric and make use of all that roof area. God is good!
Congrats! You guys deserve it! If I may make a suggestion, consider a bathroom and small kitchen area with fridge, microwave, eating table, etc, and maybe a small "man cave" above the shop. HA HA.
Tim, one aspect of your plan that needs to be considered is Property Taxes. In Missouri differing types of property are taxed differently. If your building is attached to the home it may be taxed at a higher rate than if is detached. I was seriously considering a barndominium with a large shop and living quarters until I found out how it would affect the annual property tax. Not sure how Indiana does it, but it is worth looking into. Like you we just weren’t quite ready 4 years ago to build, and since then costs have exploded. I’m happy for you. Take your time and ensure your building footprint is big enough. I have never heard anyone say, I wish I’d built a smaller building. 😮
Congratulations on the new building plan like others said heated floors and lots of receptacles and good lighting can't wait to see the building come together👍🏻
Awesome plan! Check with your local garden centers to find out if they have a tree spade to move the oak tree. I had several trees moved with full success.
I LOVE the cat that seems to make sure they are in the shot, we have 2 cats and I would not be happy without them, Good Luck with new building, concept looks great from here.
I am so excited for you guys. Building your new shop and equipment building is a must have as you know. This is so big a change for your family and the channel.
Hi Tim, looking forward to your shop build, that's going to be a fun project! One thing I haven't seen mentioned is consider having a lifting device of some kind in the building. Whether you plan on getting a bigger excavator, or a gantry crane, or a bridge crane, or something. Forklifts work sometimes, but being able to reach over the center of a piece of a equipment is very helpful if fixing things. I don't expect you to be tearing down engines, but even if you blow a hydraulic cylinder and need to get it out of something. The most useful shops I've worked in always had a bridge crane, we could assemble things, load/unload trucks, pick something from the center of a batch of pallets without moving everything. I was questioning your 18 ft ceiling idea, but then I remember you have an actual forklift now, so go for it. Any tractor loader I can think of wouldn't reach that high.
I’m thrilled for you Tim! That is going to be so nice to have that space! Have you given any thought to having the wash bay in your current building. I know drainage could be an issue but maybe a better location. *Keep on tractoring!*
Even if you don't do the heated floors by all means do a frost footer around the floor perimeter! My shop is 30x48 with 14 foot side walls with that setup and 6 inch pour in the center. I also have about R19 in the walls and about R40 in the ceiling. It usually stays closed up and it wasn't until Jan last year that the internal temp dropped below 55F without the heat turned on.
I don’t know about Indiana, but in South Louisiana A/C is a must. Add in an outdoor kitchen, shower/bathroom, washer/dryer, central vacuum (I like my cars/toys/equipment clean) pressure washer (mines stationary with piping and plugs, but we can run it outside as we don’t freeze and easy to drain plus a pad outside to wash equipment outside) it’s easier to do this stuff up front than add in later. Ask me how I know lol)
I'm going to miss seeing Jonnny 5, but great job on the plans. Like others said heated floors is great. Hot and cold hose bibbs. My grandfather had his plumb so he could wash his stuff without a expensive hotwater pressure washer.
Congratulations Tim and Christy !!! Your new shop/storage area sounds awesome. I would definitely consider in floor heat and a bathroom. I look forward to seeing your plans progress into reality and hope you bring us along. Thanks soooo much for sharing your fantastic news.
Congratulations! Build as big as you can, floor heat in the wash bay, floor heat everywhere if you can, lots of outlets, bathroom w/shower, a big sink next to the bathroom. Maybe swap the wash bay to the other side of the building so your big backdoor aligns with your existing shop garage door? Your forklift will get a workout with all the racking!
I have a suggestion for a solution which might be much more economical. Separate work and storage into two buildings, using existing and new. If you remove all stored items and racking from your existing conditioned building, you can expand your work area. Have only tools, benches, hardware racks, compressor, and your lift in there. Your new building could be designed as unconditioned space with a overhead door on each end for drive through, and pallet racking on one side, and "angle" tractor parking on the opposite side. The building should have good high bay lighting but does not need to be insulated, (perhaps just ventilated...for summer). If the goal is to get all tractors and implements out of the weather why have them in a conditioned space? There is little benefit to have everything in one huge conditioned space, and that comes at a premium cost. After all, since you are a one man shop, you can just bring the equipment you need to service or work on from the storage building to you shop space as needed then return it to storage. When using you tractors and implements they can be married up in the storage building center aisle. The drive through arrangement would facilitate easy in and out. If this approach meets all of your needs, it could reduce the cost of the new building significantly. Just a thought...
Good for you Tim. Well thought out and executed plan. As far as the turning space behind the main building two options. One use the existing plan, or once the new building is completed remove the old shop building. You’re family experience in farming may hold the key in determining what’s the optimal requirements for accessing the new wider rear door.
Having an Amish builder you won’t regret it! They will have the building up in a few days I’m sure. If the Amish there are like they are here you will have zero complaints
Spend the extra money and put down rigid foam and infloor heating loops prior to pouring concrete. If you don’t use it right away, you at least have the hard part in.
Just wanna say congratulations to you and your family! I have really enjoyed your channel, and I’m really excited to see all the videos documenting this shop building process!
what you have is between you and God you work for what you have not the jealous people. i happy for you both to be able to do what you do. i for one like you're plans so far for the building ,looks like you have put a lot of thought into it .
WOW! Very exciting. Yes, many many decisions. You 2 do what you have to do to be happy. My parents did the same thing in northern Michigan decades ago. It was for them and they were happy. Life is short my friend. Enjoy it while you have your health. I'm excited for the 2 of you.
It looks like it will be AMAZING!!! The oak tree doesn't look too, too big, maybe you could have a tree spade come and transplant it? I'm sure it's probably costly, and easy to say when it's not your money!!! But worth a shot🤷🏻♂️
Great video. I went though much of the same process as you did when I built a pole barn on my property. I thought that there was a 1,000 sqft limit until I talked with the building department and they told me that for a detached garage, the limit was 1,500 sq ft without a variance on a 1 acre property in my town. So, that's what I had built. Morton was way too expensive - so like you I had an Amish builder. It was a pole barn with concrete peers and then 3 2x6 sandwiched posts bolted on plates above the concrete peers. Exterior was the normal metal but the roof was asphalt. I hired out the exterior construction and 8" thick concrete floor. The interior and electrical, I did myself. The main purpose of my pole barn was to house a motor coach RV and never winterize it. In NJ we can get sub zero temperatures. For the electrical, I ran underground electrical lines from the house and installed a 100 amp sub panel in the pole barn. That was plenty of power for my needs. For insulation, I did a 1" spray foam on all the inside exterior metal walls. I then added 6" fiberglass insulation to the exterior walls and 12" fiberglass insulation to the ceiling. For the interior walls, I decided to go with sheetrock. Yes, I could have gone with metal, but I just liked the look of interior sheetrock. The electrical and sheetrock I did by myself alone with the help of a $200 drywall lift for the 15 foot high ceilings. Doing the electrical, insulation and sheetrock myself saved me many thousands of dollars. That was something I like doing but I realize skill set and "time is money' also would play into these decisions for you. I had planned to also heat the pole barn with my house hot water boiler system but found that over the past 17 years, temperatures never got below freezing. I still have the hot water heat exchangers that I could install but it hasn't reached high enough on my priority list. In the summer, I run a large dehumidifier. This keeps the humidity at about 45% and the interior temp rarely gets above 75 degrees. That dry air makes it feel very comfortable. If you would like to see pictures, let me know and I'll email them to you. Hope this info gives you some ideas.
If nothing else, heated floors would be a must. Also, we had the Amish frame out our barndominium house and also build our 42x72 horse barn. They were by far the cheapest around for those jobs and their quality is second to none. Not to mention that our barn went from dirt to done in 7 days. The interior of the house was finished by a different GC as the Amish didn't do finish work. And we have done the barn interior ourselves as time and money have allowed.
I am very excited for you. I am a city council member in the suburban city we live in. That is exactly how it would work here. Now, no one here has 10 acres, but the process is the same. At our 16-acre farm, we have virtually no rules beyond setbacks.
Do not worry about the “must be nice” comments. I’ve watched you enough to know you are not haughty or extravagant for appearance sake. God has blessed you and your business, and may He continue to do so.
Tim, you and Cristy earned this and more then that you deserve it! I’m happy for you both and don’t pay any mind to the naysayers who are obviously jealous of your hard work. Please show as much as you can of the build. 😊
I like how you are stacking the space deep and to the right. Maintains a park like area in back with the lawn and woods. Lots of room to transplant (or plant) an oak. Looks great! Hate to say but you will want to plan for security… window bars and door hardening. Cameras are ok for making sure an area is clear but they do not stop determined perpetrators. Hard wired security cameras and sensors are best but both wired and wireless have pros and cons. If somebody gets in behind the buildings they have all the time they need to operate. Just be sure to budget.
Very cool plans! I see my zip line suggestions still haven’t made the cut though…
This seems like a reasonable request!
Hey there! Gotta be constantly lobbying for your ideas! This one might be tall enough for zip line. Definitely tall enough for roller coaster over it!
I'll echo the heated floors suggestion and add a half bath to the shop, maybe even a shower. I'm a builder and my philosophy is you can't have too many plugs or too many light fixtures. It's much more difficult to add these after the fact. Walk through the building with your electrician after it's standing and discuss the location of plugs, switches and light fixtures for immediate and future needs.
I agree that a half bath with a shower comes in handy. A mud room outside the house to talk in farm and ranch language.
I would suggest visiting Messik's and look into a Grand L 6060 cab tractor. I love the features on our 3560 Grand L. Plus you don't have that traditional treadle peddle. Plus, the hydraulic skid steer auto attach is an awesome option.
I agree. we added a toilet and shower to our shop and it has been nice., we finished that ourselves.
@@PEI_Guy and provisions for a washer/dryer. Nice to have a separate one for the really dirty work clothes.
I think it is code in most places but add a 50a plug for the electric vehicles/tractors that are coming.
Heated floors and half bath has worked well in my shop. Water fountain was a joke when we put it in, but has best thing we splurge on. Cool clean water keeps you hydrated.
Hi Tim, for your oak tree, can you get a company with a spade to come in and move it? Also, heated floors are a must, I’d also put in a good compressed air system, one that can be easily added on to. Having air and electrical outlets in the right places will save you from having extension cords and air hoses draped over your floor during projects. Congratulations on building your shop, I’m excited for you. God Bless you! 🇺🇸
I second this.
Came here to say this..tree spade will move it for you
@@kartkrazyha! All you guys are hilarious. 62” circumference. 19” diameter.@beeroquoisnation said I needed 1 ft of tree spade for every inch of diameter. So, I guess I need a 19’ tree spade.
I think he has since deleted his comment since I can’t find it anymore.
Anyway, 19’ diameter of dirt. Even 5’ deep would be, what…80,000lbs???
Also..... you shouldn't have to explain or apologize for your success. I have loved seeing the channel grow, as well as your property. Absolutely awesome. Congratulations!!
Thank you so much 😊
You might want to check with the County Assessor / Auditors Office to see what the tax value is for an "addition to the house" vs an "outbuilding". It might be significant - and permanent. That might make you reconsider whether you really want to attach this to your house or have it separate.
This is really exciting stuff and I'm happy for you guys that you're in a position to do this project. Congratulations on the success of the channel!
Suggestions heated floors , pipe the compressed air around the shop. Several air hose and cord reels around shop and by every door to pump a tire up. Leave compressor in old building and trench a pipe from old building to new building with hose in it so you done have the compressor noise in the new shop.
This is spot on advice. The radiant floor is absolutely amazing and I won’t have a cement floor building without it again.
Congratulations! So awesome to see what you’ve got planned. The 3D modeling was fantastic visuals. Gonna be fun to see it come together!
Thanks, Neil!
@@digdrivediy getting some ideas Neil?🤔
Thanks!
Thank you! Wow!
One item is a pvc tube in the wall that allows you to run power or anything from inside your building to the outside without having to run it under the overhead doors. Have a screw on cap on each side to keep out weather when not in use
Congrats! My two suggestions for you.
1) semi truck size doors front and rear, with 18' wall height shouldnt be a problem. You may never need them that tall but a future owner may want the option to pull a truck/large rv/large travel or racing trailor in
2) allign the front garage door with the wash bay door. Could be a pull through if needed or a semi truck could be backed thru the building to unload in the small shop/stirage building in the back
Tim, I have two suggestions that you would never regret doing. Please see if a nursery can move that amazing tree for you with a spade truck and second, put PEX tubing in your floor to heat your new shop in the winter weather. I worked at a trucking company that did that and it was AMAZING!!!!!!! The recovery time after opening the doors was extremely short, it was very cheap on energy used and all the snow melted and the floor dried itself in minutes for safety. They originally burned the used engine oil to heat it with, but converted to gas because of not using enough of the oil I think fast enough. I hope you see this and can think of both options. I have really learned a lot from your channel over the years too.
1) I enjoy your channel. It is very educational.
2) I loved the computer graphic tour. Very visual. I’m not computer savvy enough to do anything like that.
3) Attaching everything to the house will be very convenient during the winter months. Looking forward to seeing the color of steel that is picked out and how it will contrast with the house.
4) I’m a believer that if you are going to have equipment that you should have it stored indoors. I have to tarp my mine as I don’t have a building. I’d love to have some sort of storage. I’m jealous of your build. I only have a total of about 5 1/2 acres between the yard, pasture and timber creek bottom. While I’d love to have a nice building, it sorta takes away from the need to have it if I’m using up the land that I need to mange to store items. Sorta of a catch 22 I’m in I guess.
5) Anyways, congratulations on your build, you deserve it. God will provide for you.
That Oak is just the right size to move instead of kill. Put it somewhere nice. As far as cost, it is only your business, money can be borrowed.
I came here because of a collab you did with Neil Koch, clicked the profile and saw a few videos about setting up the new house and have been binging ever since. Love this kind of content, building a new thing, vlogging etc. For example, have been enjoying the pond build, and lately the dock build. So very excited for building content. I do have one suggestion though, whatever you do we gotta have lots of Dave. Guy cracks me up.
Yea, we need more Dave!
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We have cabinets each tractor has it's own, inside all services parts, plus work manuals, detailed schedule services for that tractor. All fluids are on spill pallet reducing spillage, slipping or fire risk. OHS cabinet for all safety gear, find out how reduce your insurance, keep records n updates on safety training as will help not just insurance company, but here in Australia government Workcover. All safety gear gets check twice a year whether it's my work or working for others. Dont forget spill kits, safety procedures books n signs. Waste bins, ask your local tip or dump what items can be recycled like oils, batteries, drums etc. Inside rain tank for storage of water, especially your climate.
I know you're a former computer nerd, but I'll still recommend putting plenty of network cable in the walls. Ports in the office, a couple ceiling drops for access points, etc. While not my day job, I do that stuff quite a bit so let me know if you have any questions.
Tim and Christy I sure love your property and your future plans. Excited to see it completed.
Tim, I have a small shop on my small acreage. It is only a bit over 1,000 square feet, but it is priceless to me. Two things I did right that I would HIGHLY recommend to you would be to put hydronic hot water heat in the floor powered by a boiler system, and put at least a half- bathroom in it. A full bath/shower might be useful as well. Good luck on your project! It is exciting to plan these items. Also, I would recommend you seek out someone who has a tree spade service to see if your beautiful oak tree can be moved elsewhere on your property.
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Hey Tim - You're more than welcome to come visit my new shop - which is a mix of metal, machine, wood and of course tractor stuff. I've been meaning to do a shop tour on my channel, but life has gotten in the way. You could also include a trip to DHH who is about 15 minutes from me at this point. Good luck with the build, excited to watch the progress.
You might consider radiant floor heat. Very nice on the feet when it's cold. Another thought is a loft or mezzanine area for smaller items. You can still have racks underneath or smaller equipment
Fantastic news! I had a revelation during my recent shop build FWIW from one of my contractors who told me to orient the entire building 90 degrees to put all equipment "straight in" including straight to my attachment pallet racks and he was right. To get maximum access and capability, orient it parallel to the house instead of perpendicular as the drawings show currently. Put garage doors on BOTH ends so it's literally a large drive through box with doors on both long sides. You can still put pallet racks or lofts or other large objects in front of the doors you don't want initially or in middle of the space for access from both "door sides". It sure is nice to be able to flex the space as you need to over time this way. Then wrap the driveway around the side of the building along the property line for access to the "back" doors. You may also want to make the main box of the building larger to cover the entire area where that narrower breezeway. Put porches off the shop's main corners that intersect the main house to blend into the house better and as a place to visit with folks who visit the shop. If you want to wall off heated/cooled areas for energy efficiency, consider industrial curtain dividers that slide open/closed instead of solid walls as well so you can flex the space over time on this aspect as well. Best of luck on your fabulous project!
My suggestion: have a brick facade on the front of the main shop. Need only be between waist to shoulder high and match the brick on your house. Believe me, it will make a huge difference.
Put a couple of I-beams in the ceilings near the doors for a chain hoist. You can pull a trailer in and lift a heavy load to the ground.
Hi Tim. I will through in a few ideas and the reasoning that goes with it.
1. In floor Heating - It's not cheap, but it worth it in your climate to go ahead and run the tubing for in-floor heat.
2. lighting- Its easy to get carried away in this department, but make sure you have at least 100 lumens per inch minimum. I like my small shop at 120+ run a test and ensure that the cameras don't have a strobing effect before you buy all of the lighting fixtures.
3. Outlets- Make sure you have more outlets than you think you will need. With the future of power tools going electric, its worth making sure you have plenty of outlets and circuits to run everything you will need in 10 years. It's worth having a breaker panel box with a few extra empty slots for future expansion.
3A. Power- Make sure the wash bay plug is on a separate circuit than the wash bay lights. It really sucks when the breaker trips and the lights go out as well. Also run a dedicated 50 AMP plug on each side of the garage. It cuts down on the length/weight/cost of a 50 AMP extension cord.
4. Networking- Go ahead and run Cat 5E or Cat 6 internet cables for security cameras in the future. You're now a high profile target for thieves. Also, dedicate some room in the office (a small closet) for at least a half rack server. This can be used to back up footage, store CCTV footage, and possibly an editing server.
4A. Make sure the security system is on a battery backup AND the battery backup also supplies power to the cameras. I ran into this personally where the battery backup didn't provide POE and the cameras didn't work.
5. Concrete- Make sure the concrete is deep enough and strong enough for a future/ larger 2 post lift. It's cheaper to do it now than later, especially if you go with in-floor heating.
You don't have to explain yourself, Tim. I'm happy for you guys. Enjoy.
I had Amish build a 28’ x 48’ pole barn with 16’ doors to house a class A RV. It was up, under roof, and finished in 3 days, with 1 more day to pour the concrete floor. This was unfinished inside and I did the plumbing and electrical. The excavation to level the site took 1 day. The workmanship was excellent. My only suggestion to you is put in a proper backup power system. It won’t be that much extra money and once you have this new facility you will not want to roll out a tractor to provide backup power. If it’s important enough to keep some of your equipment warm, it’s work the price of an automatic backup power solution.
Fireproof walls on each side of the office space, especially if you are to keep flammables and/or chemicals in the shop, but I suggest to store them in the existing shop anyway.
While heated floors is a great idea, make sure to mark where the heated lines are if you plan to install a lift later on or do not install lines where you plan to install the said lift.
If you choose the local/cheaper contractor you can always hire an independant building inspector to check on the work between every major steps.
Heated floors, toilet with big sink, and a shower. A drive in vehicle wash 10 feet longer than your longest vehicle. Solar panels to power the building. We had solar panels (26 panels). Electric bill went from $250.00 average to a few dollars a month. Charging an electric car too. I like the idea of a tall door, semi or rv entrance. Maybe have the dutchdoor approach so you don't open the full door height when you open them in the winter.
I cannot believe that it’s been 6 years! Looking forward to watching the progress.
Always enjoy your videos, Tim! Appreciate the Bible verses at the end of each video! Good luck on the new shop!
I'm jealous. Congratulations. I couldn't locate the link to your website and typing in the address manually resulted in an site not found message.
A lot of this has been said but I'll add my 2 cents.
heated floors is a great idea and will be great in the winter.
half bath or at least a water closet so you don't have to walk into the house when you're dirty.
shower would be great not just for cleanliness but also as a safety feature if you spill fuel or some other material on you and you don't want to run into the house.
Hot water and a deep sink is priceless.
determine where your lift will go and route any plumbing or electrical in conduit in the slab. You don't want to hit either with a piece of equipment and break the connection.
light switches for all lighting at either end of the shop plus at the door to the house. It would suck if you had to walk the length of the shop to turn on the lights.
Ceiling fans would help with climate control, especially in the summer. There's a company called Big Ass Fans that make good examples.
Copious amounts of outlets in 110/120 and a couple 220 outlets strategically placed. If you'll have a fixed work bench, determine what bench mounted tools you'll have and where they'll go. I have a bench grinder, hydraulic press, drill press, bench top belt sander, and ultrasonic cleaner. You'll want outlets for each. Perhaps even one or two retractable extension cords mounted to the ceiling.
On the electric thoughts, discuss what tools you'll have to calculate how many circuits you'll need and discuss with your builder. Blowing a circuit breaker frequently is no fun.
Not sure how many pneumatic tools you use but as with electrical outlets, air outlets are very convenient.
If you do use pneumatic tools, consider mounting your compressor in a sound insulated closet with screened vents on the exterior wall(s) for ventilation.
Consider a small kitchen area with a sink (separate from any shop deep sink), refrigerator, microwave, and cupboard space. Then you don't have to go in the house for a Dr. Pepper.
For creature comforts, consider wiring for cable tv and consider putting in a tv so you can have the game on while you're working.
Hope this helps.
Tim, This presents the perfect opportunity to upgrade technologically. In your new office area I would put a server/network closet. While you don't need to do a full build out on it now having the bones there will save you money in the long run. With all the fun toys, security camera's are a must. I would wire in plenty of drops for POE network camera's as well as some other general network drops around the shop. The office area I would wire for both 1 gig and 10 gig networks. This would allow you to put a storage server in the network closet for your youtube raw video. This also gives you the opportunity to isolate that equipment from the rest of the office both sound and HVAC wise. I am sure you have a qualified network person in your area who could assist with the details.
I missed this on our new house and now have wireless cameras for much more $$
I agree with thistle. A tree service can move that tree, but for you it would be a good project to figure out. I like the proposal so far. Plenty of room for your toys and mine, too, so we’ll be right over, if Kenny doesn’t beat us to it! 🤣🙄
Oh, and for ideas, check out what Kyle and Greg do at the RR Buildings channel. When he had it for sale, I looked at his RR Headquarters 1.0, and now he’s moved and is finishing 2.0. He’s pretty far away from you here in Illinois, but it would be an interesting collaboration. I can tell you from being in his first building that it is magnificent! Matt Risinger visited and did a collaboration of sorts on materials.
Awesome plans man. Spray foam is a must. The difference between my spray foamed garage and roll insulated shop is huge.
Also, consider a bead blaster cabinet and a small spray booth, both against a wall and vented outside. Makes refurbishing parts easy. Might consider one of those exhaust ducts that slips over a tailpipe and vents outside.
Looking forward to seeing it!
The wash bay could be a spray booth as well.
Yes the spray foam was a game changer
We had a 100x100 building built. No regrets on going that large
Congratulations on the new garage/workshop build!!
Here are my suggestions:
1) Like others have mentioned, i would go with radiant in floor heat. Also, i would have mini-split ductless AC with heat connected to a heat pump.
2) As others have mentioned, i recommend having a full bath (a sink, toilet, and a full-size shower or tub/shower combo). Why? This way, when you have to go to the bathroom, you don't have to run into the house to the bathroom. Also, when working in the workshop or outside and you get dirty, with the shower in the garage/workshop, you can get a shower and put on clean clothes.
3) if you are going to have any work benches, make sure you have plenty of electrical outlets and you have plenty of outlets throughout the building!! Also, make sure the breaker panel has enough room for expansion in the future. As others have mentioned.
4) Spray foam for the insulation!!
5) If you have an air compressor, make sure you run lines and have hose reels where you will need them!
6) i would definitely recommend going solar electric, with batteries and a backup generator! Also, solar hot water heater or a tankless for the bathroom.
6) have hard wired security cameras with battery backup, a security/alarm system hard-wired with battery backup, and have a server in a closet in the office for the security camera footage, the sever also battery backup.
7) If it is legal in your state, have a rainwater collection system to supplement your main water supply system (well or even city). You could even use the rain water for watering lawn, garden, and/or washing off equipment.
So cool to see your channel grow Tim and your passion for educating people. Have you thought about a floor pit for the new shop? Not sure what you use it for really, but I could see as you get oldwe it would be handy to have.
Thanks!
We use our lift for oil changes.
A seed dealer down the road from me has had 2 buildings built by the Amish and the quality is excellent, you won't regret that.
Wow! This project will be an EPIC TTWT ADVENTURE! You guys are so gracious to share all of your plan details with us. And ask for our input. I really like the layout of your new building. I can tell you are both putting a lot of thought into your plan. If you haven’t already. You may want to consider mocking up scale models of your larger pieces of equipment. Use them to determine the dimensions and the orientation of all doors, and window openings to your existing buildings. In other words. Virtually drive and or back your virtual scale tractors with equipment attached into the building. May the Lord grant you wisdom as you make the final plans.
Thank you Tim, as always. The seemingly endless decisions on a project like this can be overwhelming. We too are considering a building/barndominium/who knows what on our lake property. Somebody told me... it's like a gun safe, always make it bigger than you think you need or kick yourself later. I too have equipment that is unprotected from the weather, right now, drives me NUTS! All the best from Oklahoma!!!
I would recommend setting out equipment or boxes where you think you want your building and the start driving around it. Pulling trailers through where you want them to be or moving equipment around will help you know how it will work in reality. I recommend either a wall or wall with doors on your “barnyard” to the side facing the house. It will keep it looking more pleasant for your home being separate from work. That separation brings calm that many work from home folks lose.
DOORS, I’m so glad yall are moving forward with your future! Bay doors for different uses most important. Specific door for the lift, specific door for the trailer, wash bay, make an area for storage with its own door. Great luck!
Finished my 48x88 about a year ago and here’s a few things I did that I love.
1. Radiant heat flooring. Even if you don’t know if you’ll want it, you can’t go back so at least put in the insulation and tubing before pouring concrete. You can always go back and hook it up later but let me say, it’s the best heat out there. You’ll never be cold working on the floor.
2. Put at least one overhead door on the opposite side of the building as the main garage doors. The cross breeze it creates will cool the barn down considerably especially if you put in some ceiling fans.
3. Scissor trusses are not much of an increase and gives you way more head room and makes the building feel larger. It’s night and day difference for not much more money.
4. The small 3x7 windows that allow light in that can be put between the posts are relatively cheap and you cannot put too many in.
Mine was built by the Amish using Graber Pole Buildings as a supplier which I believe is an Indiana company. Been happy so far. Couldn’t find a link to upload photos.
Look into transplant. Using a tree spade. They can move fairly large trees. I moved 3 when I wanted to build a garage. 2 maples & a sycamore. The sycamore is about 80 ft. plus now. Moved in 1991.
After the floor is poured, and before anything is moved in, do donuts with the e-quad thing! 😁 After that pull in every single piece of equipment for an epic thumbnail shot!
Wash bay, good idea but check on the requirements for collecting the water from the bay. I'm a volunteer fire fighter in MA. We had an old floor drain to collect water that drained to a dry well outside. Ended up closing off the drain as the requirements now required a catch tank to collect the water (and oil) and have to get the tank pumped out when full and taken away. The trucks now get washed outside. (The drain didn't work well anyway and needed to be fixed)
I'm really happy for you guys that you're building another shop to expand your channel. Use of mezzanines to maximize square footage within your building footprint is a great idea. We use them all the time in our industrial buildings. Also go as wide as possible with your doors to allow lots of room for turning and possibly moving long items inside the building that you may need to pick and swivel off a boom. The floor heat is also well worth the up front expense as many others have mentioned. Keep up the great work I really enjoy the channel!
My how you have grown over the years. I am happy for your success and really enjoyed your channel.
Tim- I say, if you have the money, have fun and build what you want. Just don't make the mistake of not building it big enough...don't ask me how I know this. Looks like a great floor plan, and the elevations look good with the rest of the house. I especially like the indoor wash bay! That would be sooooo cool! I look forward to seeing the project take shape. About the space between the buildings- the hardest part is getting a trailer aligned to back in without enough space. I have similar situation (though on a much smaller scale, buildings were here when we bought the place). I can get the trailer out OK, but the back in is tough without having enough space to pull far enough forward to get square to the door opening. Definitely want to mock up building lines and maneuver your rigs to see how much space you will really need. Take care.
My previous comments were before you got the the costs. You don't have to apologize to anyone about how you choose to spend your money, manage your business, or live your life.
I also put off a big building project at the start of the Covid fiasco and still haven't moved forward. We'll see this week which way the county decides to go.
Awesome plans Tim! can't wait to see this progress, congratulations on your growth! My suggestions would be a heated floor with a boiler that can also consume used motor and hydraulic oil as fuel for heating your shop, and to plumb the walls with airlines with quick connects in various locations so you can always access compressed air rom any spot.
I would suggest burying multiple conduits connecting the existing shop to the new one for possible future needs, also I agree with radiant floor heat, uniform heating and nicer when working on equipment in the winter
I see several comments about floor heat - I agree - I have in floor heat in my shop and it is very nice. Obviously planning for any penetrations prior to the pour (2 post lift, floor anchors, etc) is imperative prior to the pour. I have duplex outlets at 6-8’ intervals around my shop and it is nice. I have re-arranged my shop several times - and I have not had any problems working with the location of the outlets. I did most of my electrical in exposed conduit, which makes it easier to add or change the layout. Looking forward to the process you will be going through.
Heated floor is always good. BUT if you are going to be bolting anything to the floor, be very careful. Also run your foundation walls to 6" above finish floor. Start your wood framing then. This will keep the building from rotting off. and IF you are thinking post and frame, do NOT bury the posts. My father did that for his garage. ended up 20 years later putting in a foundation because the posts rotted off. make sure an put a 2 hour fire wall between the garage and the office. What ever you do with the wash bay, I would not use steel. I would go FRP panels with caulked joints or joints meant for water. Steel will rust faster than you think.
FYI, I design buildings for an Architectural firm here in NE Iowa.
This will be a fun venture and not so fun, but you're going to love it when it's done... so happy for you guys
Tim and Christy, this is so exciting and I looking forward to “riding along” on this adventure with you folks. What a blessing to have the input from so many folks and their experiences to help you on this journey. Blessings.
For your wash bay, I would build similar to what Larsen Farms has up in Minnesota. You can find it in one of their videos. Just this. Past year they attached a new water “softening system. And I would turn the 2 post lift 90 degrees so it would be easier to load when coming in that door. Brian Brown Farms, another UA-camr, built a new shop this past year. You may want to look at some of his videos they did and did not do.
I am excited for a new building series of videos. I appreciated your comments about saving for the building over time because of an uncertain future. Not many folks today have the patience required for delayed gratification. I wish you luck and will be following along.
Drainage: you have done quite a bit of work here, but don’t under estimate the amount of water that an “addition” that size will shed during a rain.
Also, you will likely require a larger electrical service. If you require material they don’t have on hand, it could cause delays. You should reach out to your local utility to share your plans.
There are several suggestions I could make, having worked almost 25 years in a company shop. First is a shop bathroom with shower. The shower may not see your daily use, but it is there for extremely dirty or oil soaked situations. It will also be a great item if dealing with herbicides. Floor drains are a must. Ours had an EPA certified main drain in the middle of the shop with service cleanout next to the outer wall. I didn't like the arrangement as every piece of wet equipment brought in drained to the center of the shop to the drain. Any blowing rain would leech small amounts of water around the overhead doors that would have to travel to the drain across the shop floor. I would rather have the drains near the entry door to eliminate water migration. You need about double the power outlets you think you need as well as air connections. Make sure the air and power are available outside as well. Especially if you have an outside work area. Have more than one spot to power your welder if it is 220v, ours were 480 3 phase with multiple locations available to insure reach for repairs. Be sure to plan for the necessary headroom needed if installing a loft. ( I would suggest 20' ) Our shop was 22 + foot tall which gave a full 8 foot ceilings in the two office areas and slighly over 8 foot in the loft once the wooden office ceiling/loft floor was deducted from the height. We had two full length tube heaters on either shop wall for heat. They worked well, but you will need to clean the reflectors occasionally for maximum efficiency. Radiant floor heating would have been nice, but I cannot say which will be the most efficient for your project. Perhaps a combination of the two if affordable. The tube heaters to well to warm cold equipment during winter. A few random thought for your consideraton.
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Something we did at the farm I work at is put the air lines under the concrete. Also if you put in floor heat in you have to be careful when drilling into the concrete. So plan ahead with your lift location! Exciting days ahead for you and Kristi!! Have fun!
That's awesome!
Heated floors are very efficient and work well. Beats having to run a gas furnace all the time.
You have saved the money so don’t worry about what others think about it
Happy to see you folks are able to plan a long term strategy. A couple of ideas for the build out. Fire proof that extension. Since it is connected to your residence, do what you can to contain a fire if it should ever happen. High ceilings is a great idea. Not only for storage as you mentioned, but also an opportunity to install a BAF industrial ceiling fan. Cooling and heating can get expensive, but a simple fan can help keep cost down. Consider your crosswinds. If the wind path tends to blow into the home, make sure you install an exhaust system to help ventilate the place. Consider investing a narrow aisle forklift, they have a tight turning radius and have high reach. Drains, do not forget the floor drains. Good luck!
I would echo the other comments about a heated floor. As far as general building ideas, I would refer to Matt Risinger, another UA-camr. He does things right the first time, and I would look to him for ideas if your builder wants some. As far as comments about money, I wouldn’t worry about them at all. I know that’s easier said than done, but anyone that has been following you guys should understand you are not rich people that flaunt money, far from that in fact. I’m happy that you two are able to do this project and look forward to future videos about it!
So happy for you!
Glad you are able to do this and thank you for the detailed explanation. I am excited for this journey!
I highly recommend doing floor radiant heat in the concrete. We have it in our shop and its great, very efficient and effective.
Also depending on the sun position to you, i would do solar panels, tons of grants for new buildings to receive solar. Would offset electric and make use of all that roof area.
God is good!
Congrats! You guys deserve it! If I may make a suggestion, consider a bathroom and small kitchen area with fridge, microwave, eating table, etc, and maybe a small "man cave" above the shop. HA HA.
Tim, one aspect of your plan that needs to be considered is Property Taxes. In Missouri differing types of property are taxed differently. If your building is attached to the home it may be taxed at a higher rate than if is detached. I was seriously considering a barndominium with a large shop and living quarters until I found out how it would affect the annual property tax. Not sure how Indiana does it, but it is worth looking into. Like you we just weren’t quite ready 4 years ago to build, and since then costs have exploded. I’m happy for you. Take your time and ensure your building footprint is big enough. I have never heard anyone say, I wish I’d built a smaller building. 😮
Congratulations on the new building plan like others said heated floors and lots of receptacles and good lighting can't wait to see the building come together👍🏻
Looks awesome Triple T! Can’t wait to see the progress! 👍🏻🇺🇸 Rrrrrrrr!
Awesome plan! Check with your local garden centers to find out if they have a tree spade to move the oak tree. I had several trees moved with full success.
I LOVE the cat that seems to make sure they are in the shot, we have 2 cats and I would not be happy without them, Good Luck with new building, concept looks great from here.
I am so excited for you guys. Building your new shop and equipment building is a must have as you know. This is so big a change for your family and the channel.
No one's business how much money you have. You have worked hard for what you have so congrats, looking forward to seeing what you end up with.
Hi Tim, looking forward to your shop build, that's going to be a fun project! One thing I haven't seen mentioned is consider having a lifting device of some kind in the building. Whether you plan on getting a bigger excavator, or a gantry crane, or a bridge crane, or something. Forklifts work sometimes, but being able to reach over the center of a piece of a equipment is very helpful if fixing things. I don't expect you to be tearing down engines, but even if you blow a hydraulic cylinder and need to get it out of something. The most useful shops I've worked in always had a bridge crane, we could assemble things, load/unload trucks, pick something from the center of a batch of pallets without moving everything. I was questioning your 18 ft ceiling idea, but then I remember you have an actual forklift now, so go for it. Any tractor loader I can think of wouldn't reach that high.
Keep up the good work, Tim I love watching what you guys are doing. You’ve got my vote on the building. Jesus it wasn’t so far. I’d come out and help.
I’m thrilled for you Tim! That is going to be so nice to have that space! Have you given any thought to having the wash bay in your current building. I know drainage could be an issue but maybe a better location.
*Keep on tractoring!*
Considered then rejected that idea. Maybe I should consider it again!
Even if you don't do the heated floors by all means do a frost footer around the floor perimeter! My shop is 30x48 with 14 foot side walls with that setup and 6 inch pour in the center. I also have about R19 in the walls and about R40 in the ceiling. It usually stays closed up and it wasn't until Jan last year that the internal temp dropped below 55F without the heat turned on.
I don’t know about Indiana, but in South Louisiana A/C is a must. Add in an outdoor kitchen, shower/bathroom, washer/dryer, central vacuum (I like my cars/toys/equipment clean) pressure washer (mines stationary with piping and plugs, but we can run it outside as we don’t freeze and easy to drain plus a pad outside to wash equipment outside) it’s easier to do this stuff up front than add in later. Ask me how I know lol)
I'm going to miss seeing Jonnny 5, but great job on the plans. Like others said heated floors is great.
Hot and cold hose bibbs. My grandfather had his plumb so he could wash his stuff without a expensive hotwater pressure washer.
Congratulations Tim and Christy !!! Your new shop/storage area sounds awesome. I would definitely consider in floor heat and a bathroom. I look forward to seeing your plans progress into reality and hope you bring us along. Thanks soooo much for sharing your fantastic news.
Congratulations! Build as big as you can, floor heat in the wash bay, floor heat everywhere if you can, lots of outlets, bathroom w/shower, a big sink next to the bathroom. Maybe swap the wash bay to the other side of the building so your big backdoor aligns with your existing shop garage door? Your forklift will get a workout with all the racking!
Congrats on your new shop plans! It will be an awesome space to work on and store your equipment.
I have a suggestion for a solution which might be much more economical. Separate work and storage into two buildings, using existing and new. If you remove all stored items and racking from your existing conditioned building, you can expand your work area. Have only tools, benches, hardware racks, compressor, and your lift in there. Your new building could be designed as unconditioned space with a overhead door on each end for drive through, and pallet racking on one side, and "angle" tractor parking on the opposite side. The building should have good high bay lighting but does not need to be insulated, (perhaps just ventilated...for summer). If the goal is to get all tractors and implements out of the weather why have them in a conditioned space? There is little benefit to have everything in one huge conditioned space, and that comes at a premium cost. After all, since you are a one man shop, you can just bring the equipment you need to service or work on from the storage building to you shop space as needed then return it to storage. When using you tractors and implements they can be married up in the storage building center aisle. The drive through arrangement would facilitate easy in and out. If this approach meets all of your needs, it could reduce the cost of the new building significantly. Just a thought...
Good for you Tim. Well thought out and executed plan. As far as the turning space behind the main building two options. One use the existing plan, or once the new building is completed remove the old shop building. You’re family experience in farming may hold the key in determining what’s the optimal requirements for accessing the new wider rear door.
Oh, I have to second the bathroom ideas. On the plan, you could add a door into the shop. Also a slop sink...place to wash paint cans or greasy hands.
Can't wait to see this build. Thank you for sharing it!
Having an Amish builder you won’t regret it! They will have the building up in a few days I’m sure. If the Amish there are like they are here you will have zero complaints
Spend the extra money and put down rigid foam and infloor heating loops prior to pouring concrete. If you don’t use it right away, you at least have the hard part in.
Wow Christy is going to have fun getting Christmas lights on that!😉 Best of luck with the project guys.
Already thinking about that!
Just wanna say congratulations to you and your family! I have really enjoyed your channel, and I’m really excited to see all the videos documenting this shop building process!
what you have is between you and God you work for what you have not the jealous people. i happy for you both to be able to do what you do. i for one like you're plans so far for the building ,looks like you have put a lot of thought into it .
WOW! Very exciting. Yes, many many decisions. You 2 do what you have to do to be happy. My parents did the same thing in northern Michigan decades ago. It was for them and they were happy. Life is short my friend. Enjoy it while you have your health. I'm excited for the 2 of you.
It looks like it will be AMAZING!!! The oak tree doesn't look too, too big, maybe you could have a tree spade come and transplant it? I'm sure it's probably costly, and easy to say when it's not your money!!! But worth a shot🤷🏻♂️
Great video. I went though much of the same process as you did when I built a pole barn on my property. I thought that there was a 1,000 sqft limit until I talked with the building department and they told me that for a detached garage, the limit was 1,500 sq ft without a variance on a 1 acre property in my town.
So, that's what I had built. Morton was way too expensive - so like you I had an Amish builder. It was a pole barn with concrete peers and then 3 2x6 sandwiched posts bolted on plates above the concrete peers. Exterior was the normal metal but the roof was asphalt. I hired out the exterior construction and 8" thick concrete floor. The interior and electrical, I did myself.
The main purpose of my pole barn was to house a motor coach RV and never winterize it. In NJ we can get sub zero temperatures.
For the electrical, I ran underground electrical lines from the house and installed a 100 amp sub panel in the pole barn. That was plenty of power for my needs.
For insulation, I did a 1" spray foam on all the inside exterior metal walls. I then added 6" fiberglass insulation to the exterior walls and 12" fiberglass insulation to the ceiling. For the interior walls, I decided to go with sheetrock. Yes, I could have gone with metal, but I just liked the look of interior sheetrock. The electrical and sheetrock I did by myself alone with the help of a $200 drywall lift for the 15 foot high ceilings.
Doing the electrical, insulation and sheetrock myself saved me many thousands of dollars. That was something I like doing but I realize skill set and "time is money' also would play into these decisions for you. I had planned to also heat the pole barn with my house hot water boiler system but found that over the past 17 years, temperatures never got below freezing. I still have the hot water heat exchangers that I could install but it hasn't reached high enough on my priority list. In the summer, I run a large dehumidifier. This keeps the humidity at about 45% and the interior temp rarely gets above 75 degrees. That dry air makes it feel very comfortable.
If you would like to see pictures, let me know and I'll email them to you.
Hope this info gives you some ideas.
If nothing else, heated floors would be a must. Also, we had the Amish frame out our barndominium house and also build our 42x72 horse barn. They were by far the cheapest around for those jobs and their quality is second to none. Not to mention that our barn went from dirt to done in 7 days. The interior of the house was finished by a different GC as the Amish didn't do finish work. And we have done the barn interior ourselves as time and money have allowed.
I am very excited for you. I am a city council member in the suburban city we live in. That is exactly how it would work here. Now, no one here has 10 acres, but the process is the same. At our 16-acre farm, we have virtually no rules beyond setbacks.
Do not worry about the “must be nice” comments. I’ve watched you enough to know you are not haughty or extravagant for appearance sake. God has blessed you and your business, and may He continue to do so.
Tim, you and Cristy earned this and more then that you deserve it! I’m happy for you both and don’t pay any mind to the naysayers who are obviously jealous of your hard work. Please show as much as you can of the build. 😊
I like how you are stacking the space deep and to the right. Maintains a park like area in back with the lawn and woods. Lots of room to transplant (or plant) an oak. Looks great!
Hate to say but you will want to plan for security… window bars and door hardening. Cameras are ok for making sure an area is clear but they do not stop determined perpetrators. Hard wired security cameras and sensors are best but both wired and wireless have pros and cons. If somebody gets in behind the buildings they have all the time they need to operate. Just be sure to budget.