How can Suella Braverman tell if you're religious? | James O'Brien on LBC
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2024
- As the manhunt continues for the Clapham chemical attack suspect Abdul Ezedi, James O'Brien delves into the origins of his story, including the fact he's a registered sex offender.
Another fact that has come to light is that Abdul converted to Christianity which was the reason he was granted asylum in the UK. This has sparked considerable outcry from former Home Secretaries Suella Braverman and Priti Patel, but James isn't particularly convinced they've got much ground to stand on.
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Don't use the term Anarchism to describe a Tory, it is an insult to Anarchists
Aye, anarchists might be open and honest about their views. . Those nasties want everyone, except themselves, to obey rules, but still call themselves" libertarian", an Orwellian term for authoritarians!
I've been an anarchist for 50 proud years.
@@factstrumpprejudice6740 funny these so called anarchists wouldn't last five mins through anarchy
@@sookmajoabyI doubt you know what anarchy is
Politicians can say whatever they want, even if they are on record 24 hours ago saying the complete opposite and nobody holds them accountable. They literally make up BS on the fly.
The fact that a party who have been in power for so long are trying to paint themselves as the anti-establishment vote, and that the media lets them get away with it, is crazy to me.
If one was to have observed the Leveson inquiry one would have been educated to the fact that the media are in cahoots with the government.
The fact that people are dumb enough to fall for it is even more crazy!
@@Coelacanth1right wing governments funded by rich right wing media barons. When labour gets in the media will be much more vocal critics.
Just like Trump in USA. You couldn't make it up if you were George Orwell.
@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence orwell did, though. just because what's happened is not precisely like his story doesn't mean he failed to predict this trajectory 76 years ago
Why does nobody talk about her links to Hindutva Fascism and how it helps form her policies... who do our politicians work for? Britain or Zionism and Hindutva fascism?
Most of the freshers in British cities doing delivroos are Indian. Who let them in or issued visas to them. I think two former home secretaries.
Gone is Little Britain, incoming little India. 🙄
What’s hindutva?
Agreed. We have too many foreigners running our country.
Apparently a rule to remove people that shouldn't be in the country is disgusting, according to O'Brien.
Maybe if that disgusting rule was implemented fully then two children and a woman wouldn't be suffering horrific injuries right now.
That is what's truly disgusting about this.
IF YOU CAN GET TO THE UK
So you have to enter illegally to submit an application. That's the entire thing.
if you can get to the UK have your claim rejected and then convert to Christianity that is also ok 😂?
On the subject of religion, why does it matter? Religious people have done awful things, non religious people have done awful things. It’s an irrelevancy
They may as well be saying they’ve granted his asylum because he’s decided to support Manchester United
They've done a lot of awful things too.
It matters because in some countries, according to Islamic Law a muslim who rennounces his faith (apostate) is punishable by death, imprisonment etc. The potential for this persecution upon any return forms a basis for an asylum claim.
Because it was a factor in letting a criminal stay in this country.
The difference is that some religious people do awful things IN THE NAME OF their religion.
The non-religious, I suppose, can be equally immoral, but I find it hard to conceive of an immoral act that can be committed DIRECTLY BECAUSE of an absence of faith.
they've just converted 40 asylum seekers on the barge to Christianity I guess this is ok? even if they are claims get rejected beforehand , just look at mr abdul on the run , twice rejected , failure of our asylum system and home office
You mentioned caste systems James. These Indian women Pritti Patel and Baverman should know all about that. There is NO equal citizen rights in caste systems and they just apply this to the country.
@mar .. "these Indian Women"...says it all really!
The Gov,t should be dismissed and people who will stop this anti UK,ism. put into power.
they aren't Indian women, they're British women.
@@gabrieldsouza6541They’re British of Indian origin
Priti Patel was born and raised just outside London, Braverman was raised in London as well. They've Indian heritage sure, but just about the only thing actually Indian about them is their skin colour and affinity for right-wing identity politics. They're as British as black pudding.@@tauhidahmed9985
I still recall Priti Patel getting shredded by the wonderful Ian Hislop on “Question time” about bringing back the corporal punishment brining back the death sentence the audience applauded him when he called her out stating if you sentence someone to death when you got their identity wrong you can’t correct that she still argued with him
Hahahaha we don't have 1st and 2nd class citizens? The class system in the UK is one of the worst in the world , people are literally born lords get a grip
James comes from that world too , that's why
Yes but nominally and our goals and values is to not have that and being equal before the law.
Yes we do not alway is not like the goals we strive for. And we have some odds and end from our history.
Remind me again how many generations have Braverman and Patel, not forgetting Sunak, been in this country. Weren't their parents the people that Enoch Powell made his rivers of blood speech about
Rivers of alkaline.
Wiki Powell's page , surprisingly he's not the evil monster I thought he was.
O'Brien's hatred of brown people is rubbing off on his listeners I see
@@steveblundell7766 the projection is strong in you , how's Brexit going?
@@colloquialsoliloquy6391 Not British and don't live in UK so Brexit is the Indian-hating O'Brien's issue not mine
If there are no second class citizens in this country how did they manage to take away Ms Begum's British citizenship from her ?
she wasn't second class, she was dregs class.
@johnbannister9212 That is all very well but it sets a precedent .If the Government can take away the citizenship of someone born here what's next ?Taking away the citizenship of people who have lived here for fifty plus years but weren't born here,think Windrush generation. We are sleepwalking into fascism.
James continually raises issues that highlight why I emigrated over thirty years ago. There are many things I still admire about the UK, even from afar, but few, if any, stem from things originating from the Tory party. What a bunch of criminals.
How can you tell if Suella Braverman is saying something horrible? Her lips are moving.
She speaks for the majority of the country!
That's year 4 rhetoric that is 😂
That's year 4 rhetoric that is 😂
The faux outrage is palpable with this one.
Yes protecting Britain is disgusting
Speaking of making political capital; isn’t that what O’Brien does every day?
Eh, J O'B isn't a politician, but an observer of politics. He tells us what he sees/hears.
@@LL-vk9zc He’s a rabid hater of everything Tory and by demonstrating this on a daily basis behaves just like a politician, thereby making political capital.
@@LL-vk9zc He’s a rabid hater of everything Tory and by demonstrating this on a daily basis makes political capital, something he’s paid to do, just like a politician!
@@LL-vk9zc He’s a rabid hater of everything Tory and by demonstrating this on a daily basis, makes political capital…..and gets paid for it, just like a politician!
ps…..if you keep removing this comment because it’s making political capital it will clearly demonstrate the veracity of my comment.
@@LL-vk9zc And you are clearly a member of his staff, removing comments which team O’Brien don’t find favourable! You’re behaving just like the so called corrupt Tories!
It's none of Braverman's business to know who is religious or not.
Maybe not, but it's every citizens right to know who is being allowed into our country and what their intentions are......
@@timsmith9272 Why, when folk like you base your assessment on the Daily Express repeating Tory culture-war tactics? Folk like that are clearly unqualified.
@@timsmith9272 how do you know someone's intentions?
we need to keep all religion out of politics no matter what it's involved in
Separate the Church from State.
Similarly, we need to keep all religion out of asylum seekers cases. If it can't be proven and can be changed on a whim, it shouldn't be taken into consideration.
Remember the diwali celebrations in number 10 ?😅😅😅
100% agree . For the next that we will be hearing if we do not will be Evangelicals making demands that women should lose the right to birth control.
@@rb1062It is separate.
The fact they still have supporters who keep voting for them and expecting them to fix the problems which they've created for the past 14 years is the most worrying part.
It's like there's clearly there's something wrong with the education system or with the food and water supply.
I think the food and water has been spiked with toryism 😂
Or you could consider that they are just bad people who want to inflict harm on others and cannot be reasoned with.
Considering labour are worse who to vote for. reform, I'll give them a go
@@stevioAda Which Labour policies do you disagree with?
I wonder how many, who are so outraged by such conversions, got religion as a way to secure preferred school places for their kids?
That woman is toxic and evil.
Just like O'brien and his family.
@@johnrice4191 J O B's eyes are like something out of a Stephen King film
Totally agree.
@@johnrice4191why is that ?
But you're here, listening to him. Funny how trolls on here joined UA-cam at the same time.
How can we tell leaky sue is even human?
I don't know but there is a test we can do to find out if she is a witch
@@Lee_303us witches do not want her
@@cordeliafitzgerald8714 How childish. Braverman was right and you know it.,
Mrs Zambezi which witches are you speaking for?
👁
If they are no legal routes into the UK, how have they been getting in before the rubber boats started to arrive?
There have always been legal routes it’s just that you don’t qualify for them if you’re an unskilled economic migrant looking for free money
@@Panzerfaustchen no there isn't that's the entire problem. If there were a humane way the people could apply for refugee status from the countries they are fleeing, then they would take that rather than risk their lives on a dinghy.
@@Panzerfaustchen Unplug from the Daily Express.
If Jesus was here now I think he might have a lot to say about these so called Christians, in fact I think he'd be appalled at the distortion of his words. I don't know how they get away with it.
He'd be at the Mexican border with USA, being repelled by Trumpists.
I'm not a religious man but I was raised christian and sent to a christian school and I know enough to know that if Jesus were real and here now, he would be disgusted by conservatives and conservative christians and definitely by US republicans. All those pictures of Trump with Jesus, he is the antithesis of what the bible tells us Jesus was teaching
if Jesus were here now he'd be vilified in the media as a Socialist agitator...
She is awful
I think he is
Awful is a understatement for cruele😅
@ish You can always leave the country and return home.😊
she doesn't inspire awe in me. schadenfreude over the english finally getting some right in their arrogant mushes, yes, but awe? nope.
@@Andrew-ti8hi derpty-derp.
Funny isn't it, when you care about this country, you're Far-Right! 😂😂😂
No, the far right claim they're the only people who care about this country - and then spout things completely opposite to its reputation for compassion, decency, fairness and honesty. "My country right or wrong" is not patriotism, it's fascism.
No You're far right when you stand up foolishly for only the white (and black) privileged classes....against the general population.
It's people who are important. A country is made up of people. Saying you care for your country is meaningless drivel.
@@royboy565I care about my fellow English in our homeland of England.
And Britain haters are far left .
Just call a general election already so that we can get on with rebuilding the country!
Labour will destroy what's left of it.
That's the funniest comment I've seen in years - a simple but spectacular moment of Collosal naievity coupled with Bovine level simplicity drenched in utterly misplaced almost insane optimism . . . You've made my day matey . .
@@vonryansexpress 👍
Labour will be worse. There will be no rebuilding. It will be remodeling and you won't like the outcome!
With what party?
The nastiness is not a bug. It is a feature. The Tories rely on elderly xenophobes.
You have to be over 30 to be a xenophobic 🤔
@@stevewright6051elderly people are more likely to vote.
There's a lot of young xenophobes. Check the football lads.@@borismuller86
@@ArtyFactual_IntelligenceDo you work for the premier league by any chance?
@@borismuller86 maybe , but to be honest there is no party I would vote for as they are all cut from the same cloth. Last time I voted was for Blair to the tune of “things can only get better” look how that turned out!! No faith in politicians, no matter where you go in the world governments are all the same.
Most of the illegal immigrants or overstayers are Indians in the UK. Last two home Secretaries did not do anything about it.
The best way to protect our shores is to set up safe and easy passage for genuine refugees/asylum seekers, this would leave noone for gangs to exploit and mean the people coming over on boats can be dealt with hashly
Braverman did a disgusting interview very recently trying to make out she was the wonderful guardian angel of immigrants. Her nickname of 'Cruella' will never be forgotten, nor will the reason she earned that name. Her performance in the hearing was a national disgrace, totally opposed to deeply held English principles of caring for and helping the less fortunate, Even non Christians show compassion and love in its widest sense.
Humans have shown love and compassion long before Christianity was invented.
How naive you are
We need to look after our own, not Islamists that hate us.
@orchid Reading between the lines your post is a national disgrace.!
oh, the irony of you ...
Mr. O'Brien, religion is the root of all evil on Earth.
No - the love of money is the root of all evil and btw communism has csused many more deaths than religion - oh except for Islamism.
No.. That would be money.
@@garethatkinson8325 You have no understanding.
@@patcomerford5596 in your opinion.
@@garethatkinson8325 No, it is fact!
13:22
There is a great episode (s2 e8)in the West Wing where the use of the word “Shibboleth” itself in a pivotal scene where President Bartlet uses it to discern the sincerity of the asylum seekers’ religious beliefs, echoing its biblical use as a test of identity.
Art imitates Life.
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James! people aren't distracted. they just don't care anymore, and the ones that do are up in arm about the distractions. If i could distract my bank from paying off my mortgage for 14 years i probably would do it.
Of course, you need to keep doing it or everything comes crashing down.
Priti patel, suella bravemann and rishi sunak😅 all hindus who are in control of modi's hindutva party...
Not to forget the cash he is making for himself his tax dodging wife and his Father-in-law at the same time.
I think Braverman's a Buddhist
We have a hidden BJP party in the uk 😂
@@audreymcgready4329 Indeed. He's not working for us, he's working for Infosys
Wow...what a cheap point "Messiah" 🙄🤐
Think I marked Jedi on the national census back in the ninety's.but that's no one else's business, religion is personal. I personally think it's a waste of time but I respect others who believe as long as they keep it to themselves.not fond of beaverface either. These politicians need to remember they are public servants.
I put satanist on mine I think
She is Brilliant
If there's only one Great Sky Fairy, what difference does it make which local branch of worship you're in?
"How can you prove you're a Christian" is the wrong question.
Or at least it's an irrelevant question.
Religious people of many persuasions are some of the worst amongst us.
It's only really their propaganda that would suggest otherwise.
Spot on. I decided a long time ago that religion is a form of insanity. Religion is now all about bigotry and hared. I've completely lost any patience in religion.
Well it's not even that they're the worst offenders necessarily. It's that their backs are covered in a way that the secular world isnt which permits all manner of wrongdoing to go unchecked. Unaccountable for reasons that if we were to really give it due consideration would be based on ideas that don't hold any weight in small cults but because organised, institutionalised religions began before civil society really established itself they're exempt from the same scrutiny. Their argument is 'we believe we are somehow superior in all facets, that is what we believe and don't you dare challenge us'. They can dress it up as sweet as they like but they are based on really destructive, alienating, duplicitous, coercive and corrupt tenets. They are businesses that profit from their followers. They always have been, but once again are exempt from due process. Of course they're going to attract wrongdoers. They've set up a structure that's better than a private island for harbouring the people with the worst intentions.
@@bethanp3453 Abso_bleeding_lutely.
Beautifully articulated.
Thank you.
See Tree frog
@@aupaaupa2377 Free word association?
Anagram?
Drugs?
Is it that type of frog?
Aah. I see.
🙂
Cows are telepathic ???
Pull the udder one!
So you can't deport people to an unsafe country but you can keep them here and make this one unsafe which is what has happened . Mass imagination is part of the NHS problem
Says O'Brien 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The clip of Braverman struggling to explain the system of legal asylum application to the UK should be replayed on all stations every hour of every day for the next year. Even then, some people still won't accept the true incompetence of these shysters.
@gre Incompetent indeed. I agree. Can if be so difficult to deport these chancers on boats!
I wear bangles....am i a hindu now then?
Muslim girl's wear bangle too. Atleast converted Muslim in India Bangladesh and napakistan wear bangles
James would gladly live next door to have an illegal immigrant live with him. Im afraid his rose tinted glasses will become clear one day.
Why would he have to move "next door"?
'They fall for the lie that your ethnicity is in an indication of your character.' As multi-generational indigenous Britons, Suella and Priti believe they have characters as white as their skins. 😂
On your final question James, it perhaps seems simplistic to say that Jesus told us 'by their fruits, you shall know them'.
Thoughts and genuinely prayers with you in your own current struggles.
My thoughts exactly
Thoughts and prayers again. Another budding saviour
James i wish you had the same passion for the British homeless many ex service men they would love to be put up in hotel after all they are britsh next time you walk up Chiswick high road ask the rough sleepers where ther😅 from
You get people from all sorts of backgrounds living on the street.or do you only think of those who look like you.
It's the first time I've heard the committee recording. It's very sad
Great interview yesterday on GB News.
Nothing is ever great on GB NEWS
@intelligent Who told you to think that?😂
Because she's a witch??
Insult to witches tbh
How long have you nurtured this misogyny?
@@elkpaz560 I'm hardly a mysogynist...she has a heart of stone and should be nowhere near politics...she has more of a hatred for fellow humans than I do...sorted that for you.
How do you make a conservative estimate?
Ask them how much their servants are paid!
I wish the Tories were Conservative
David Cameron? Conservative?!? PAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! 😂
Say's Mr Irrelevant 😂😂😂😂
All that you can do is vote them out of office. Bring on the election.
I think they are waiting to see what happens with Trump before making a date for the UK GE. The Cons have basically done everything based on what that despot does or says.
And vote for who - Labour? 😂
Not entirely true, we could go down the old Guy Fawkes route and do it properly this time.
@@alandoyle8880 Your removal from voting is appreciated by the incumbents and all political extremists.
How can Suella Braverman tell if you're religious?
simple: if your shadow crosses her path her skin blisters
Sounds like O'Brien when he comes across a remark he doesn't like and has no argument to dispute it.
@@The_Phoenix_Sagayawn 🥱
@@The_Phoenix_Sagaoh be quiet. Get yourself to GB News and spout your bile on there.
@@b62boom1 Bedtime, little one? 🙄
@@kat2023. Careful, you're burning up there yourself...
It’s worse than that. They have been in power for 100 years in the last
120 years
ABSOLUTEMENT.
The only safe and legal route to immigrate into the UK is being rich.
This guy is one of the biggest bootlickers in the UK media....
Which boots?
@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence the establishment's...
CRAZY.
I couldn’t hate this man anymore
so you hated him once......and now you love him? Bless
Perhaps a Christian may be judged by their thoughts words and actions. But then the problem with that is the holy handbook that exists to give guidance contains within it some most unchristian direction. The holy handbook is of course an agreed compilation based upon what the church wanted to promote at the time. But to know, the church left books out of the bible.
The Goat Herder's Guide to the Universe
@@1BDIonthe666 I wish I could take credit for it but it comes from Seth Andrews, a former fundamentalist Christian turned atheist advocate and one of my heroes.
And you know this how? You know more then Christians for over 1000 years. You will be able to tell our maker soon so just wait
@@timvella1817 yep, resorting to threats is the usual tactic and we're used to it 🥱
Yes, there are faults with the 'messengers' but the essence of biblical teachings based on Jesus's teachings and parables, uttered by his own mouth are faultless. "Love thy neighbour as thyself"
The job of politicians is to make the wishes of the people look reasonable, not to lead.
"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it."
Stephen Colbert
If Labour are elected will you retire as you will have nothing to say.😢
Never was, is, will be relevant.
Most irrelevant liars, incompetents, bums&stiffs in Tories
Patel, Braverman, Badenoch.
Can't say much better about rest of them.
Sorry mate - relevant yo MANY 😂😂😂😂
😮James drinks his tea by the pint
Hopefully she will lose her seat at the next election so she doesn't have any platform anymore
She says what most people feel. She'll get a bigger majority.
She'll be all over GBN, Talk TV and the letters columns of the client media though.
She says what *you* feel, most people are decent.
@chopper And hopefully you will finally leave your bedroom.😊
Every time Suella Cruella has a new idea 💡 about immigration, an angel 👼 in haven gets gonorrhea 😢!!!
An Angel....
Do YOU have solutions? I mean other than regressing into a pre teen?
@@honeybunch6473 🥹😅😂🤣🥲🥱😴 What problem 🤔????
How can religious people vote for Braverman?
Which ones!
Tax them all !
Only possible with legal and documented immigration, which the Tories are frantic to stop for some reason.
JO’B is an utter joke, he has no idea about how the country feels, get out and take the temperature mate, you are way off base you 🤡
He is right on point for half of us. The other half are ill-informed.
@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence …. He is a 🤡
Please can you mention next on your show why 50 percent of Rwanda apartments have been sold off to first time buyers. They seem to be very quiet on this issue. Thanks James.
It's always so sad to see Sky News, GB News and LBC trip up and get confused as to whether they are going hard left or pretending to be right wing each day.
Reality has a liberal bias.
we don't have first class and seond class Citizens in this Country? House of Lords, Royal Family?
EXACTLY !
700,000 new people per year and counting. They had better think of something. This kind of population increase every year will cause real problems in the near future.
What do you mean in the future
It's an issue now.
I don’t get it, both Suella and Priti are visibly immigrant offspring, where do they get the gall?
They're used as tokens, to say the unsayable, then when anyone says anything against them, or points out what you did, they're the Ray Cyst. 😉
They are doing the bidding of their former colonial masters - that’s not easy.
You do understand the appaling racism represented by you comment don't you ? . . . Or would you like the Police to come round and explain ?
@@vonryansexpress wow, threatening strangers in online comments is definitely not unhinged, keep at it. I live in the US and I can express myself however I please so long as is there is no nexus to illegal actions. You on the other hand are just plain weird.
@@vonryansexpress Thanks for proving my point so quickly 👏👏
James, what kind of man leaves the women and kids behind to fight the war?
Every man who goes to war ?
@owenlong2501 not to a country thats not fighting a war!
Well there could be many reasons, .
You could have lost family
You trying to get out and help your family .
Many send resources back
Maybe there is not an outright war.
Even in times of strive , there can be long stretches of time.
Maybe you split your family to have several ways
Its chaos so many decisions can be made.
But the scenario you put up already begs for a specific conclusion and judgement.
@michaelk.jensen1611 what all of them?
Lol thought he might slip the 'Brexit' word in, @3.41. Modern day 'Flash framing'
The Eye of Braverman sees all. Knows all.
I swear that LBC mug gets slightly bigger each clip
O’Brien?
Yeah James has piled the weight on
It's inflatable. 😆
Ya bell end
Her backers were Israel for the leadership, now everyone is deserting the Israel lobby she is without her horse 😂😂😂🤣😅
And they go on about 'If you come here illegally you won't be allowed to remain here'.
Legitimate question - would it work if you said you were an atheist and faced persecution? Or do you have to believe in some sort of deity?
James yet again making excuses for criminals
You weren't listening
@stuartrussell3490 Exactly
@@logant6490 You certainly weren't
Hark at him we do have second class citizens they are called 'The working class' and no you don't qualify, getting paid a packet to chat macca is hardly work more of a dream job eh Jimmy!
WHY!
Which smug MP said that it would be economic madness to search the lorry's coming through Dover 🤔
The son of the bloke who wrote the book "Blood in the streets, investment profits in a world gone mad."?
If she catches fire if she comes in your house then you are proper religious. You would have to invite her in if course, she can’t enter unless invited.
Shame on you! You suggesting someone be burned for their political views?? How typically extreme leftist that is!
By most interviewers not challenging tory lies is acquiescing in the deceit.
According to Sunak in PMQs?
Except, page 2 of Braverman's letter to Sunak on 14/11/23 tells you everything you need to know about him. She says; "You never had any intention of keeping your promises".
What is your point 🤔???
He's a Tory PM, that tells you everything you need to know about him. None of them ever had any intention of keeping their promises.
Suella Braverman is worse than Priti Patel in Spitting Image!
Prey tell us James. What war is France currently engaged in??
What is the definition of an 'unsafe country'
The best thing for "Raverman," is a DONKEY!
Leave Lee Anderson out of this....
That's all you got? Nasty words? 😂
Jesus would not approve of Reese Mog’s actions.
Hahaha "excuse to be relevant" should be the title of James's autobiography
This people are power hungry I can promise you she would do and say anything outrageous just to come back...!
James o woke should get a life, his whole 24 hours of the day is taking up by his tory personal vendetta. I feel sorry for his family.
And yet here you are, listening to him. He gets paid every time you troll him you know. You people are so funny.
@@kat2023.How do you know the sound is on? It’s not for me….i just come here to read the fawning sycophantic nonsense of his followers ….that’s the funny bit.
@@nick1065You don't need the sound on to comment and every comment gets him more interaction (even if you delete them lol). The more he gets, the more UA-cam pay. It's brilliant isn't it? 😊
@@nick1065 lol. He gets paid when you watch him too. How do you know what he said with your volume turned down?
@@alfsmith4936 genius, it makes putting up with the trolls worth while.
I admire James' ability to plug his book at every opportunity
Was there a point you wanted to make? That one is pretty pathetic.
Why not? The Tories have an entire client media constantly plugging THEIR propaganda, at least O'Briens book is factually based with evidence to back it up.
@mah Available at a bargain bin near you.😊