I love the clips channel content as it helps me catch up if I miss any episodes. But, Adam I have a suggestion. I heard from an editor when posting clips from long format videos, you should always take them from videos which are at least 2 weeks old as it helps the algorithm. Like, I already watched the podcast of this week, so I don't necessarily need to watch this (but still gonna). But, if it's a clip about something a little older, then I might wanna rewatch it through here. Like, example, the Polestar conversation. Just a thought. I don't know if it makes sense. Maybe, I am just dumb.
To be honest the naming *kinda* makes sense because bonfire is red and breeze is blue, still would make more sense the other way around for winter and summer though, and swapping the colors for clicky and linear is just criminal. So many people are probably gonna buy the wrong one because of that.
It looks like this keyboard is based on the Keychron Q1 pro which retails for $199. We can probably expect some additional cost on top of that so I’m leaning towards $300.
@@okamisamakun I got a first batch QK65 and it’s such a good bang for the buck. Extremely high quality, a pleasure to use every time I sit in front of my pc.
Bro the Q1 is what i'm using right now. It is SO good. If this shit is $300, you might be best getting your out of touch red and blue switch keyboard somewhere else
So, it's a keychron except for the caps, the switches, the color variants, any customization options or sensible naming schemes. For all those things you don't get you're then supposedly expected to shell out more money. But at least they also put a branding label on it so all your friends can make fun of you for buying it. ..... Cool. xD
*Great points! What's also weird... is that companies decided to get rid of the number pad section on their keyboards ...AND... not allow any other option for that function...!!!!!*
@@helloxonsfan Keychron has all sizes covered, with or without numberpad. I have a Q3 (that's one without) because I like to have more space for the mouse to game. But I have a cheapo standalone USB numberpad as well. It's just OnePlus doing all this weird sh...
@@helloxonsfan Or, hear me out on this: buy a keyboard that has the numpad. Keychron offer that already as pointed out on the comment above mine. It's called preference. I personally can't stand a keyboard with a numpad especially if it's on the right side of it. P.S.: You can literally map keys to use as a numpad with the press of the fn key. The option is there. If you don't want to take it, buy something else from the same company, or another product.
@@impointr ... I get what you're saying... but I use ASCII characters a lot, & also do a lot of quick calculations... it's just so much more easier to access all that with a handy Number Pad than without. I have a stand alone Number Pad, plus a separate keyboard with one. But it's inconvenient to keep switching since I'd have to do that quite often!
@@helloxonsfan Again, you can still buy custom keyboard kits with an included numpad. These still exist and will still exist, either in the form of the classic 100% layout, or a compact 96% format. The awesome people at Nuphy just started selling their Air96 and Halo96 for instance, and KBDfans released the absolutely gorgeous Odin V2 last year, with Keychron offering their own 100% and 96% keyboards in their Q series.
The q1 with knob fully assembled switches, and caps is 189. If I had to guess this will be more. The metal stand bar and the unique in house switches and caps. Probably 220-240. If they did a bare bones version of the kit it would probably be more like 200 even.
If you are familiar with other switches color name is arbitrary but the classification is important (tactile ,linear clicky) naming a tactile as bonfire that is normal. And keycaps are always sold by pack there are a few that sell the space, enter shift caps separately. The one I am more concerned is why are they making keyboards are phones not profitable for them???
I kinda get what they were going for on the keycaps, at least as far as being consistent with the naming. Bonfire is centered and almost looks like rising action from the center to top and breeze goes side to side with the greys accenting the ends
I think the colors of the switch being opposite make sense, kinda.. Bonfire is a tactical switch since fire pops.Hence why you get the bump. Summer Breeze is linear, since a breeze is smooth. Just my assumption on how I thought about it lol
I went onto their website and the stems in their switches are the same in the renders. If the switches are just going to be linear this sucks. I hope it was just an oversight.
nah my dude. man's gotta respect the standard. blue's for clicky, and red's linear, that's it. maybe if you want to make a pink or other dumb colors, then whatever, be my guest. But not the 3 classic colors.
They don't manufacture their own switches and if they are going the route of Keychron they will use Gaterons which are more reliable Cherry switches. I can't wait for them to screw this up.
One plus clearly has no idea how high the standards of keyboard people are. Like, a lot of them have zero issues with shelling out hundreds of dollars for a keyboard and waiting months for it to be produced in a small batch, as long as it's EXACLTY the way they like it. This thing, it's not up to standards.
This thing also costs way more than the keyboard it is based on, which is highly considered in the mech kb community. It's basically up there with the ZoomTKL, QK65, and Bakeneko65, for the entry level space. Keychron's Q series essentially represent all those special group buy keyboards that may cost around $300~400, except mass produced to a point that they can heavily drop the price. That's the cool thing about mechanical keyboards: the price is just a number, it's not indicative of anything.
*When did companies decide to get rid of the number pad section on their keyboards ...AND... not allow any other option for that function...???!!!!! That's also weird...!!!*
@@TheMrleeyang ... Even if that's true & only a minority of users are interested in the Number Pad, considering all the keyboards in the world, that would still be a very large number of people. Remember, a small percent of a very large number is still a large number...!!! 👍🏽
@@helloxonsfan You can get an external number pad if you want ...or there are full-sized keyboards as well. They are just a little hard to find due to the enthusiast layouts
@@slavboii420 ... Yep! I have a stand alone Number Pad AND an additional keyboard. However, I use ASCII characters & do quick calculations a lot... & so it'd be a bit inconvenient to always have to switch back-and-forth between all that equipment!!!
on which ones does it work like that? I just looked and all of their keyboards either have seperate color options regardless of what switch you want or they are the same color for every switch
What I'm taking away from the names OnePlus did for the switches is that the colors correspond to the second part of the names. Red for Bonfire and Blue for Breeze. Not Summer and Winter respectively. But yes, everything else is weird.
As a kb guy I can tell you it won't be less than 150usd cause it looks based on the keychron q1 and with the extra custom work done I think it's gonna be 180 to 250
Coming from custom keyboards, switch colors doesn't make sense anymore (thanks to cherry Mx patent expiry), we rely on switch names to differentiate them, even on a same type actuation profile, feel and sound of the switch can differ quite a bit. For the keycaps, they are using standard cherry Mx stems, so you can swap the keycaps easily, i would assume the "marble-mallow" keycaps are made out of some kind of ABS since this plastic provides deeper sounding keys.
It won't fit the channel. High end keyboards are mostly just valued for their aesthetic, tech wise there's almost no breakthrough. Most customs use QMK/VIA which is open sourced since most studios don't write their own software. Changing mounting styles and build materials is interesting for people in the hobby, but from outside it seems pointless.
i mean the packaged keycap colours are pretty common in keyboards,,, keychron does it as far as i know, when i had the different versions of the keyboard i accidentally got different coloured keycaps at the end.
> gets mad at words > gets even more mad at colors > mentions Cherry and Gateron > confident this board will be under $150 Andrew is articulate and genuinely enthusiastic, which is great! But it's exceptionally apparent they're not at all past the "my first 'real' mechanical keyboard" stage. If they were, they'd _absolutely_ not get flustered over the color of keycaps and switches, hahaha. Combined with what seems like disinterest from Marques, this video only proved to introduce this product to MILLIONS of people with largely negative bias based on the most unimportant aspect of higher end keyboards - which is, like, not good and actually irresponsible journalism, maybe? You have to think: you casually put down superficial aspects, people watch it, adopting that casual take as their genuine opinion that they repeat to others in conversation, and this negative attitude is spread on something by people that have little or zero knowledge or experience of; and that shapes the choices people make, often to ensure failure of something that's otherwise a good product undeserving of the ridicule it receives. All because of the need to REACT as quick as possible instead of factual reporting. Channels like this seem to have no clue about the sheer power they hold in making or breaking something, and I seriously believe it's negatively contributed to the large-scale death of experimentation in unique designs and features in tech over the last decade. Why put effort in something fun when popular reviewer scoffs at it, immediately convincing people not to try it? But seriously, what's with that knob? Am I using a keyboard or the bathroom sink? If I crank it, will I get hot water or cold? lololol
As someone who's into custom keyboards, the Cherry colour standard is pointless for anything that isn't Cherry or the most basic Kailh and Gateron switches. As for not being able to pick switches and keycaps however you want is very dumb. They've taken the custom out of custom keyboards in that sense. Everything else seems to be up to Keychrons standard these days. South-facing switches, seamless wireless switching, USB-C. Something I noticed is that this is the first Keychron board to come stock with a Polycarbonate plate, contain sound absorbing foam(very necessary for their older boards if you want a good sound), and it's also the first all metal board like the Q series from them that comes in wireless. Only real downside to the build is that it's US only layout, so anyone using ISO which is most of Europe couldn't use the board even by changing keycaps. Though I think it's not available here anyway.
I wonder if OnePlus is trying very hard to avoid any kind of copyright because they’re not just some random keyboard company from China, it’s a large tech company from China that probably has an office in Europe maybe. I know that the patent is expired or something and it’s like an open license but a large company probably wants to cover their butts. But the naming of everything is so weird, it’s like they’ve subscribed to Goop.
I'll copy what I wrote on the full podcast: Andrew going on about OnePlus' switches making no sense is quite hilarious to me. In the world of mechanical keyboards, there are so many differently coloured switches that would make no sense if paired next to Cherry such as Kailh's entire selection of switches. You have the mainstays such as Red, Blue, Brown, Yellow, and Black. But everything else is completely shaken up. Then you have some more specific switches such as the Gateron Cap, Gateron CJ (which imo are the best linears one can get and use right now for a relatively cheap price), every of ZealPC's switches, Kailh's Box series, Gazzew's switches (for instance the purple Boba Lt which are linears, and rather okay for the steep price), TTC, Jwick, and Akko stuff (aboslute GOATs right now, doing god's work for the super budget scene especially with their new POM lineup). With every mainstream manufacturers (Keychron, Logitech, Razer, Asus (papa bless the Azeroth), HyperX, etc) commissioning their own custom spec switches with varying colours, you probably should've stopped looking at the colour of a switch about a couple of years ago. Nowadays you have purple tactiles that can also be linear, you have clicky whites that also can be tactiles, or blues than can be absolutely everything (Logitech having tactiles & linears that are blue, with Gateron making blue linears).
The point is that this is a mainstream board that's going against established standards and is needlessly confusing. The conversation about enthusiast switches is irrelevant here.
@@nickthaskater The point is that there are zero established standards throughout the entire history of mechanical keyboards. Cherry didn't establish anything either with their sub-par switches, only alternatives decided to play copycats. Look at the history of ALPS switches alone for instance.
@@impointr If somebody says "blues" they're more often than not referring to clickies. If someone says "browns" they're more often than not talking about mild tactiles. If someone says "reds" they're more often than not talking about linears. These are accepted standards in the keyboard vernacular. To flip the script on this when you're literally only offering two options is confusing, is the point.
@@nickthaskater Yet again, that's disregarding the history of mechanical keyboards, past and present. For instance, Logitech are using blue (Kailh manufactured) for all three types right now. Razer used green (Greetech manufactured) and purple (A4Tech manufactured) for clickies. HyperX are using teal for tactiles. SteelSeries' hall effect linear switches use a clear stem. In parallel, ALPS SKCL Green were linears, ZealPC are using Purple as tactile switches, teal stems can be literally anything depending on the manufacturer, and Cherry are making tactile switches with a clear stem including their new "Ergo Clear" switch. Colours in switches never made sense, enthusiast or not. There never was a convention on it and it's probably about time that people learn to look past those, not like they should've started to a couple of years ago anyway.
I feel like the name is supposed to mean, “keyboard featuring oneplus” they just switched the word order but it still means the same thing. So someone else is making this keyboard and oneplus is featuring on it with its branding.
I would like the team to review the Apple online store and each item on the store and who is buying the older tech which is still being sold by Apple. Furthermore, does the team have any ideas about what happens to this old tech when it is removed from the site.
I feel the price will be higher cause q1 pro is at 200$ so the actuall price will be closer to that. The full aluminium case and new switch key cap manufacturing might add to that
In all fairness, a winter bonfire would have crackling fire sounds, and a summer breeze is supposed to be smooth, so I'd argue the naming is pretty good.
I wouldnt buy this but assuming its hotswap most people would just buy the board in the colour they want and pull out those switches and replace them (a lot of nice ones are VERY cheap* nowadays)
Totally agree with Marques and Andrew on this keyboard. Interesting design, but too limited and quirky on the knob, switch and keycap options for my money. But I have a request for Marques and the team. Could you please talk about why-despite the almost infinite variation and options in the mechanical keyboard world-spotting a dodo bird is easier than finding low-profile mechanical keyboards with an ergonomic layout (split or Alice). Imagine a slimmer Keychron Q10 with low-profile switches and keycaps or a split(able) NuPhy Air 75! It would be aimed mostly at the non-gaming world I think, but look at how many millions are already accustomed to super low-profile keyboards on laptops, MacBooks, and iPad/tablet keyboard cases-not to mention the Apple Magic Keyboard. I've written to Apple, Keychron and NuPhy, but so far feeling like a voice in the wilderness...
split and alice are the smallest minority. Most wont make any money catering to this group of people. Just because people make noise does not equal to real business sense why more manufacturers should make them.
@@TheMrleeyang The fact that businesses need to make a profit and ergonomic mechanicals are a tiny selection of available designs is the obvious part. Fortunately, visionary designers and innovative businesses like Keychron see beyond this simplistic view of how the market looks today. Keyboards like Keychron Q10 and Q8 and Alice layout in general are still relatively new. They don't even appear in big store websites like Amazon or Best Buy yet (last time I checked). Even with availability only direct from the manufacturer, it would be interesting to know how well these models are selling so far. We can see countless examples of low-volume variations being manufactured and sold in the mechanical keyboard world. How will anyone ever know how well a low-profile Alice or split will sell if it's not even available or visible to the broader market? Notice that big companies like Microsoft and Logitech have manufactured split ergonomic designs for many years now. They wouldn't continue unless it made business sense. Let's just say what looks like a laughable, impractical, daydream or "noise" to one person, can be seen as untapped potential to another.
for me the first seconds of the video o noticed that the lips are not fully sync with the voice, but that fixed during the video Not sure if that is on the video or my browser plugin mess up i n the beginning and adjust itself
Guys do your research before making these videos, the brand is OnePlus (duhh) featuring is a segment on their community forums where OnePlus features products that are made with the help of their community and lastly Keyboard 81 Pro is the actual name of the product.... Please Google stuff or do a little research before just putting stuff out randomly... Also i don't get it, whats wrong with the design?! The keyboard looks and I'm sure will function great too...
Yea this keyboard doesn’t seem to fit in anywhere in the keyboard space. Depending on the price point it might be completely pointless for the general enthusiast & I’m not seeing many reasons to buy it over a KeyChron or any other great entry level custom boards.
Someone at Keychron was say "please, please no" to someone from Oneplus about the red tactile and linear blue. My guess is that everyone at Keychron is thinking what idiots about them.
It's always fun to see when normal people who kinda know something about mechanical keyboards are stepping into enthusiast ground, so this confusion about naming of the switches made me smirk. 🤓🤓🤓So basically there is no colour/type scheme if you'll look into deeper into hobby:🤓🤓🤓 - EG Moyu Blacks - should be linear? Nah, these are one of the best heavy tactiles; - TTC Pale Blues are not clicky - infact, these are silent tactiles; - Akko Matcha Green could be clicky, but these are nice bang for the buck linears. Bonus, these are some interesting names of the mechanical switches: Tecsee Ice Milk, Tecsee Carrot, Equalz Tangerine, Durock Sunflower, Durock Shrimp, Wuque Onion, SP-Star Magic Girl and my favourite Gateron Baby Kangaroo.
I think it’s more ‘weird’ to those who aren’t into the Keyboard as a hobby. Custom keyboards, switches, keycaps, and even desk mats all have a myriad of colors and names. From things like Banana Split linear switches to a keyboard named Mammoth75. It’s kinda weird that they say most switches follow the blue/clicky - red/linear path. I’m glad there’s lots of people being able to make sense out of the aspects that confuses these two. I do understand they don’t like the better customizability for this board, so that’s a good point.
Man, I don't know, 5 minutes of wasted time criticizing a company bringing something new? What a waste of a platform. That metal stand bar is so great, you change the height so much easier, and it's more durable, and looks way better. But, wow, let's make fun of everything that they don't even use or understand. Poor, sad, boring content. No reference to the IBM Model M, most people don't use the caps anyway, going with custom ones. Hopefully OnePlus is just testing waters and will sell barebones right after.
why do I get the feeling this will end up like the NZXT mech keyboards? But I'm sure productivity junkies will buy this and love it regardless. It looks sleek but also stylish
It's ok to be different, but marking on a water spender the hot water with blue and the cold water with red while calling it may and september isn't quirky, but confusing and leads to people buying the wrong product. Which is sad since I think Keychron makes great Keyboards. I have a Q3 myself.
The switches would be sourced from a different manufacturer than the keycaps, so there's really no reason they couldn't let the consumer pick and choose between all combinations.
I'm guessing this might appeal to the hypebeast croud who base thier tech purchases based on brand alone, but the layperson isn't going to buy this and the custom mech community isn't going to be interesting in this. It's a Q1 with what will probably end up being inferior switches, slightly different 'okay' quality caps and a bunch of branding. And it'll be more expensive. Gonne be a hard pass for me.
As a keyboard enthusiast, I personally have exactly ZERO interest in this keyboard in regards of the design, function and possibly the cost! Honestly, there are just so many good choices out there and newcomers must be substantially unique or at the very least, aesthetically appealing which this keyboard is not (to my eyes).
Ok, now I want to see what a Nothing Keyboard looks like, because I'm still convinced, that he left OnePlus was the end for them. (Tipping this on my OP5)
Hot take: this board is not for the "keyboard community." There are way too many awesome options available these days for the enthusiast community to care about this. Also, tactile gang. Just rebuilt my MM Studio Class 65 with Emogogo tactiles. They're wonderful.
Not a hot take really. Many in the established custom keeb community feel the same about this keyboard. It's yet another 75% keyboard with a knob on the top right. There's no "re-writing the rules" as OnePlus puts it lol... it's a 3-year-old design. They're only just jumping in now since the custom keeb interest exploded during covid. Too little too late imo. The hobby has slowed down considerably after high quality "entry-level" and highly accessible options are now available and people are spending less now during this recession.
Also Probably not for the Normies because how many people you know who would spend around 250-300 dollars on a keyboard (other than keyboard community). Most Probably aimed at the OnePlus Fanbois who want to complete their OnePlus branded setup
This ain't even a hot take, there are so many great keyboards at wayy cheaper prices that you can build yourself (say the Keychron V1 with gateron yellows) I think this keyboard mostly appeals to long-time OnePlus fans or just people who are probably not really too much into this stuff and just want something fancy-looking
Or is the keyboard just called "81" (which is the percentage) and the full name is oneplus featuring "keyboard 81", so like featuring isn't part of the name just saying that OnePlus is featuring
I think complaining about the color scheme of the switches is kinda silly. It's kinda nice when a blue is linear because blue is a nice color, and doesn't need to be tied to that horrible sound.
As someone who has been in the keyboard hobby for a while let me tell you. Big companies getting into anything remotely custom always ends up badly, Glorious tried it and ended up being a nightmare with a lot of false advertising and even some fucking over of community members that helped out with advertising for example.
A bonfire is warm (even in winter!), so red, a breeze is cool (even in summer!), so blue. I agree most of this is quirky nonsense, but the colors do make sense given the full name. if you just consider the first half it doesn't, but that seems like a frankly stupid thing to criticise.
if you look at the mechanical keyboard offerings on Drop (formerly Massdrop), you'll see what the mechanical keyboard community is ACTUALLY into. this keyboard is designed to sucker in people who've HEARD about mechanical keyboards but really don't know what any of it is about. kind of surprised Marques is only just starting to dip his toes into them, and hasn't really shown interest in audiophile level tech other than with regards to his workflow
I thought the new co host articulated the points very well, made a lot of sense with just expressions 10/10
Can I come on for a keyboard segment?
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i love the new co host dont get rid of him pls
New?? Andrew has been here since the beginning
@@avondmaaltje who?
He cute lol
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@@avondmaaltjeJij hebt de hele video dus niet eens afgekeken...
This new co-host guy is great ! You should definitely keep him in the team. He has great arguments and insight 10/10
You co host is the best. He’s quiet, professional and very suave.
I love the clips channel content as it helps me catch up if I miss any episodes. But, Adam I have a suggestion. I heard from an editor when posting clips from long format videos, you should always take them from videos which are at least 2 weeks old as it helps the algorithm. Like, I already watched the podcast of this week, so I don't necessarily need to watch this (but still gonna). But, if it's a clip about something a little older, then I might wanna rewatch it through here. Like, example, the Polestar conversation. Just a thought. I don't know if it makes sense. Maybe, I am just dumb.
To be honest the naming *kinda* makes sense because bonfire is red and breeze is blue, still would make more sense the other way around for winter and summer though, and swapping the colors for clicky and linear is just criminal. So many people are probably gonna buy the wrong one because of that.
It looks like this keyboard is based on the Keychron Q1 pro which retails for $199. We can probably expect some additional cost on top of that so I’m leaning towards $300.
Holy hell $300, you can get a QK75 including switches and keycaps with that price.
@@okamisamakun sure! But it doesn’t have the OnePlus logo on it, and it’s not an in stock board.
@@okamisamakun I got a first batch QK65 and it’s such a good bang for the buck. Extremely high quality, a pleasure to use every time I sit in front of my pc.
Bro the Q1 is what i'm using right now. It is SO good. If this shit is $300, you might be best getting your out of touch red and blue switch keyboard somewhere else
$300
for a keyboard?
No. I would never.
Most I'd pay is $100-$200
$300 is asking too much.
I think the pricing would be $250-300 as the Q1 can go to like $200 on its own, so we have to add in the customisations that OnePlus did
Now imagine if BlackBerry joined the mechanical keyboard market.
Uh dude, Blackberry best keyboard on phones
So, it's a keychron except for the caps, the switches, the color variants, any customization options or sensible naming schemes. For all those things you don't get you're then supposedly expected to shell out more money. But at least they also put a branding label on it so all your friends can make fun of you for buying it. ..... Cool. xD
*Great points! What's also weird... is that companies decided to get rid of the number pad section on their keyboards ...AND... not allow any other option for that function...!!!!!*
@@helloxonsfan Keychron has all sizes covered, with or without numberpad. I have a Q3 (that's one without) because I like to have more space for the mouse to game. But I have a cheapo standalone USB numberpad as well. It's just OnePlus doing all this weird sh...
@@helloxonsfan Or, hear me out on this: buy a keyboard that has the numpad. Keychron offer that already as pointed out on the comment above mine.
It's called preference. I personally can't stand a keyboard with a numpad especially if it's on the right side of it.
P.S.: You can literally map keys to use as a numpad with the press of the fn key. The option is there. If you don't want to take it, buy something else from the same company, or another product.
@@impointr ... I get what you're saying... but I use ASCII characters a lot, & also do a lot of quick calculations... it's just so much more easier to access all that with a handy Number Pad than without.
I have a stand alone Number Pad, plus a separate keyboard with one. But it's inconvenient to keep switching since I'd have to do that quite often!
@@helloxonsfan Again, you can still buy custom keyboard kits with an included numpad. These still exist and will still exist, either in the form of the classic 100% layout, or a compact 96% format. The awesome people at Nuphy just started selling their Air96 and Halo96 for instance, and KBDfans released the absolutely gorgeous Odin V2 last year, with Keychron offering their own 100% and 96% keyboards in their Q series.
The q1 with knob fully assembled switches, and caps is 189. If I had to guess this will be more. The metal stand bar and the unique in house switches and caps. Probably 220-240. If they did a bare bones version of the kit it would probably be more like 200 even.
Phenomenal cohost. standing ovation 👏👏👏
The ending hahaha with.. “15% of my diet is cholula” in the background haha
If you are familiar with other switches color name is arbitrary but the classification is important (tactile ,linear clicky) naming a tactile as bonfire that is normal. And keycaps are always sold by pack there are a few that sell the space, enter shift caps separately. The one I am more concerned is why are they making keyboards are phones not profitable for them???
The co-host seems to know lots about the topic and I think that he would be a good fit for the waveform podcast
I kinda get what they were going for on the keycaps, at least as far as being consistent with the naming. Bonfire is centered and almost looks like rising action from the center to top and breeze goes side to side with the greys accenting the ends
I think the colors of the switch being opposite make sense, kinda.. Bonfire is a tactical switch since fire pops.Hence why you get the bump. Summer Breeze is linear, since a breeze is smooth. Just my assumption on how I thought about it lol
I went onto their website and the stems in their switches are the same in the renders. If the switches are just going to be linear this sucks. I hope it was just an oversight.
nah my dude. man's gotta respect the standard. blue's for clicky, and red's linear, that's it. maybe if you want to make a pink or other dumb colors, then whatever, be my guest. But not the 3 classic colors.
idk red for bondfire and blue for breeze seem quite natural to me...just take out the summer and winter part😂
A keyboard from the company that was known for key logging on their phones. The jokes just write themselves now.
They don't manufacture their own switches and if they are going the route of Keychron they will use Gaterons which are more reliable Cherry switches. I can't wait for them to screw this up.
it has open source firmware compatiability, i would not be worried about keylogging
One plus clearly has no idea how high the standards of keyboard people are. Like, a lot of them have zero issues with shelling out hundreds of dollars for a keyboard and waiting months for it to be produced in a small batch, as long as it's EXACLTY the way they like it. This thing, it's not up to standards.
This thing also costs way more than the keyboard it is based on, which is highly considered in the mech kb community. It's basically up there with the ZoomTKL, QK65, and Bakeneko65, for the entry level space.
Keychron's Q series essentially represent all those special group buy keyboards that may cost around $300~400, except mass produced to a point that they can heavily drop the price. That's the cool thing about mechanical keyboards: the price is just a number, it's not indicative of anything.
I agree, this was a disappointment
*When did companies decide to get rid of the number pad section on their keyboards ...AND... not allow any other option for that function...???!!!!! That's also weird...!!!*
most people have little to no use for number pad honestly.
@@TheMrleeyang ... Even if that's true & only a minority of users are interested in the Number Pad, considering all the keyboards in the world, that would still be a very large number of people.
Remember, a small percent of a very large number is still a large number...!!! 👍🏽
@@helloxonsfan You can get an external number pad if you want
...or there are full-sized keyboards as well. They are just a little hard to find due to the enthusiast layouts
@@slavboii420 ... Yep! I have a stand alone Number Pad AND an additional keyboard. However, I use ASCII characters & do quick calculations a lot... & so it'd be a bit inconvenient to always have to switch back-and-forth between all that equipment!!!
Keychron does the same thing with the keycap colours being sent with the switch/type of board you buy, btw.
on which ones does it work like that? I just looked and all of their keyboards either have seperate color options regardless of what switch you want or they are the same color for every switch
This is kind of like mouse/keyboard focused companies jumping into audio.
Best co host ever!!!
Love the cohost ❤ You need to give it an entire segment.
What I'm taking away from the names OnePlus did for the switches is that the colors correspond to the second part of the names. Red for Bonfire and Blue for Breeze. Not Summer and Winter respectively.
But yes, everything else is weird.
As a kb guy I can tell you it won't be less than 150usd cause it looks based on the keychron q1 and with the extra custom work done I think it's gonna be 180 to 250
Coming from custom keyboards, switch colors doesn't make sense anymore (thanks to cherry Mx patent expiry), we rely on switch names to differentiate them, even on a same type actuation profile, feel and sound of the switch can differ quite a bit.
For the keycaps, they are using standard cherry Mx stems, so you can swap the keycaps easily, i would assume the "marble-mallow" keycaps are made out of some kind of ABS since this plastic provides deeper sounding keys.
Do a discussion on pixel 7 vs OnePlus 11
Switches can be pretty cheap to replace. I would go the keycaps you like and then swap out the switches.
Red - clicky sound that bonfire makes (fire is red)
Blue - summer breeze (ocean, beach, wind, water all kind of makes you think of blueish color)
At a minimum, it will be $199.00 (same as the Q1), but I agree with an earlier post that it will be north of $250.00
If only they knew this much about important things.
Can you guys get into high end custom mechanical keyboards? It's such an interesting niche
It won't fit the channel. High end keyboards are mostly just valued for their aesthetic, tech wise there's almost no breakthrough. Most customs use QMK/VIA which is open sourced since most studios don't write their own software. Changing mounting styles and build materials is interesting for people in the hobby, but from outside it seems pointless.
@@silentKeys20 I think something like the Wooting 60HE can make a good video though
OnePlus featuring - Keyboard 81
i mean the packaged keycap colours are pretty common in keyboards,,, keychron does it as far as i know, when i had the different versions of the keyboard i accidentally got different coloured keycaps at the end.
> gets mad at words
> gets even more mad at colors
> mentions Cherry and Gateron
> confident this board will be under $150
Andrew is articulate and genuinely enthusiastic, which is great! But it's exceptionally apparent they're not at all past the "my first 'real' mechanical keyboard" stage. If they were, they'd _absolutely_ not get flustered over the color of keycaps and switches, hahaha. Combined with what seems like disinterest from Marques, this video only proved to introduce this product to MILLIONS of people with largely negative bias based on the most unimportant aspect of higher end keyboards - which is, like, not good and actually irresponsible journalism, maybe? You have to think: you casually put down superficial aspects, people watch it, adopting that casual take as their genuine opinion that they repeat to others in conversation, and this negative attitude is spread on something by people that have little or zero knowledge or experience of; and that shapes the choices people make, often to ensure failure of something that's otherwise a good product undeserving of the ridicule it receives. All because of the need to REACT as quick as possible instead of factual reporting. Channels like this seem to have no clue about the sheer power they hold in making or breaking something, and I seriously believe it's negatively contributed to the large-scale death of experimentation in unique designs and features in tech over the last decade. Why put effort in something fun when popular reviewer scoffs at it, immediately convincing people not to try it?
But seriously, what's with that knob? Am I using a keyboard or the bathroom sink? If I crank it, will I get hot water or cold? lololol
As someone who's into custom keyboards, the Cherry colour standard is pointless for anything that isn't Cherry or the most basic Kailh and Gateron switches. As for not being able to pick switches and keycaps however you want is very dumb. They've taken the custom out of custom keyboards in that sense. Everything else seems to be up to Keychrons standard these days. South-facing switches, seamless wireless switching, USB-C. Something I noticed is that this is the first Keychron board to come stock with a Polycarbonate plate, contain sound absorbing foam(very necessary for their older boards if you want a good sound), and it's also the first all metal board like the Q series from them that comes in wireless.
Only real downside to the build is that it's US only layout, so anyone using ISO which is most of Europe couldn't use the board even by changing keycaps. Though I think it's not available here anyway.
OnePlus changing up the switches just because and then naming them the way they did is such a bonehead move lmao. Classic OnePlus
So OnePlus is actually ingenious, in that, they are forcing you to talk about it cuz it doesn't make sense to you.🤣💔
Free marketing
Did you know it goes vertical to give you more desk space? Kinda surprised they didn't touch on that
I wonder if OnePlus is trying very hard to avoid any kind of copyright because they’re not just some random keyboard company from China, it’s a large tech company from China that probably has an office in Europe maybe. I know that the patent is expired or something and it’s like an open license but a large company probably wants to cover their butts. But the naming of everything is so weird, it’s like they’ve subscribed to Goop.
I'll copy what I wrote on the full podcast:
Andrew going on about OnePlus' switches making no sense is quite hilarious to me. In the world of mechanical keyboards, there are so many differently coloured switches that would make no sense if paired next to Cherry such as Kailh's entire selection of switches. You have the mainstays such as Red, Blue, Brown, Yellow, and Black. But everything else is completely shaken up.
Then you have some more specific switches such as the Gateron Cap, Gateron CJ (which imo are the best linears one can get and use right now for a relatively cheap price), every of ZealPC's switches, Kailh's Box series, Gazzew's switches (for instance the purple Boba Lt which are linears, and rather okay for the steep price), TTC, Jwick, and Akko stuff (aboslute GOATs right now, doing god's work for the super budget scene especially with their new POM lineup).
With every mainstream manufacturers (Keychron, Logitech, Razer, Asus (papa bless the Azeroth), HyperX, etc) commissioning their own custom spec switches with varying colours, you probably should've stopped looking at the colour of a switch about a couple of years ago. Nowadays you have purple tactiles that can also be linear, you have clicky whites that also can be tactiles, or blues than can be absolutely everything (Logitech having tactiles & linears that are blue, with Gateron making blue linears).
The point is that this is a mainstream board that's going against established standards and is needlessly confusing. The conversation about enthusiast switches is irrelevant here.
@@nickthaskater The point is that there are zero established standards throughout the entire history of mechanical keyboards. Cherry didn't establish anything either with their sub-par switches, only alternatives decided to play copycats.
Look at the history of ALPS switches alone for instance.
@@impointr If somebody says "blues" they're more often than not referring to clickies. If someone says "browns" they're more often than not talking about mild tactiles. If someone says "reds" they're more often than not talking about linears. These are accepted standards in the keyboard vernacular. To flip the script on this when you're literally only offering two options is confusing, is the point.
@@nickthaskater Yet again, that's disregarding the history of mechanical keyboards, past and present.
For instance, Logitech are using blue (Kailh manufactured) for all three types right now. Razer used green (Greetech manufactured) and purple (A4Tech manufactured) for clickies. HyperX are using teal for tactiles. SteelSeries' hall effect linear switches use a clear stem.
In parallel, ALPS SKCL Green were linears, ZealPC are using Purple as tactile switches, teal stems can be literally anything depending on the manufacturer, and Cherry are making tactile switches with a clear stem including their new "Ergo Clear" switch.
Colours in switches never made sense, enthusiast or not. There never was a convention on it and it's probably about time that people learn to look past those, not like they should've started to a couple of years ago anyway.
We WILL be honest…
new cohost?
Straight up 🔥 🐐 tier. Instant classic.
I feel like the name is supposed to mean, “keyboard featuring oneplus” they just switched the word order but it still means the same thing. So someone else is making this keyboard and oneplus is featuring on it with its branding.
I would like the team to review the Apple online store and each item on the store and who is buying the older tech which is still being sold by Apple.
Furthermore, does the team have any ideas about what happens to this old tech when it is removed from the site.
The red blue colour assignment got me so mad my god
I feel the price will be higher cause q1 pro is at 200$ so the actuall price will be closer to that. The full aluminium case and new switch key cap manufacturing might add to that
Dedicate this entire channel to the new Co Host...
So cute...🥺
More air time for the new co-host please
I wonder if marketing just messed up and got the naming backwards?
It’s tactful if they wanted people to talk about it?
In all fairness, a winter bonfire would have crackling fire sounds, and a summer breeze is supposed to be smooth, so I'd argue the naming is pretty good.
I wouldnt buy this but assuming its hotswap most people would just buy the board in the colour they want and pull out those switches and replace them (a lot of nice ones are VERY cheap* nowadays)
Totally agree with Marques and Andrew on this keyboard. Interesting design, but too limited and quirky on the knob, switch and keycap options for my money. But I have a request for Marques and the team. Could you please talk about why-despite the almost infinite variation and options in the mechanical keyboard world-spotting a dodo bird is easier than finding low-profile mechanical keyboards with an ergonomic layout (split or Alice).
Imagine a slimmer Keychron Q10 with low-profile switches and keycaps or a split(able) NuPhy Air 75! It would be aimed mostly at the non-gaming world I think, but look at how many millions are already accustomed to super low-profile keyboards on laptops, MacBooks, and iPad/tablet keyboard cases-not to mention the Apple Magic Keyboard. I've written to Apple, Keychron and NuPhy, but so far feeling like a voice in the wilderness...
split and alice are the smallest minority. Most wont make any money catering to this group of people. Just because people make noise does not equal to real business sense why more manufacturers should make them.
@@TheMrleeyang The fact that businesses need to make a profit and ergonomic mechanicals are a tiny selection of available designs is the obvious part. Fortunately, visionary designers and innovative businesses like Keychron see beyond this simplistic view of how the market looks today. Keyboards like Keychron Q10 and Q8 and Alice layout in general are still relatively new. They don't even appear in big store websites like Amazon or Best Buy yet (last time I checked).
Even with availability only direct from the manufacturer, it would be interesting to know how well these models are selling so far. We can see countless examples of low-volume variations being manufactured and sold in the mechanical keyboard world. How will anyone ever know how well a low-profile Alice or split will sell if it's not even available or visible to the broader market?
Notice that big companies like Microsoft and Logitech have manufactured split ergonomic designs for many years now. They wouldn't continue unless it made business sense.
Let's just say what looks like a laughable, impractical, daydream or "noise" to one person, can be seen as untapped potential to another.
for me the first seconds of the video o noticed that the lips are not fully sync with the voice, but that fixed during the video
Not sure if that is on the video or my browser plugin mess up i n the beginning and adjust itself
Guys do your research before making these videos, the brand is OnePlus (duhh) featuring is a segment on their community forums where OnePlus features products that are made with the help of their community and lastly Keyboard 81 Pro is the actual name of the product.... Please Google stuff or do a little research before just putting stuff out randomly... Also i don't get it, whats wrong with the design?! The keyboard looks and I'm sure will function great too...
8:12 best part of the video
Yea this keyboard doesn’t seem to fit in anywhere in the keyboard space. Depending on the price point it might be completely pointless for the general enthusiast & I’m not seeing many reasons to buy it over a KeyChron or any other great entry level custom boards.
If it gets more expensive than $200 people might end up accidentally googling custom keyboards.
@@Alltorn-N56 then the rabbit hole really begins lol. Happened to me, now I have a whole UA-cam channel 😂
Time for a MKBH edition Keycult ...
Rumor is that its being made by Keychron - which is fairly believable given how the features and the OS switch area looks identical to a Q1 pro.
I think the color of the switches focuses on the later part of their names-Bonfire🔴 Breeze🔵
Don't come to Phoenix expecting your sushi roll to not have mayonnaise in it by default.
I’m actually 90% convinced it’s an elaborate April fools joke, “starts selling in April” with everything that’s clearly not userfriendly
The community will probably call it the OP81
"15% of my diet is chulula" 🤣😆
What a sweet co-host.
Someone at Keychron was say "please, please no" to someone from Oneplus about the red tactile and linear blue. My guess is that everyone at Keychron is thinking what idiots about them.
You got to say the whole thing like A Tribe Called Quest
Now I would like their thoughts on the Asus Azoth keyboard, which the kb community actually seems to like
"Ah yes, finally, my new OnePlus keyboard. Can't wait to type smoothly. *Types* AYO BRO WTF-"
The fact that there is a Surface Laptop and a Macbook on the table, makes me happy. I don't know why.
It's always fun to see when normal people who kinda know something about mechanical keyboards are stepping into enthusiast ground, so this confusion about naming of the switches made me smirk.
🤓🤓🤓So basically there is no colour/type scheme if you'll look into deeper into hobby:🤓🤓🤓
- EG Moyu Blacks - should be linear? Nah, these are one of the best heavy tactiles;
- TTC Pale Blues are not clicky - infact, these are silent tactiles;
- Akko Matcha Green could be clicky, but these are nice bang for the buck linears.
Bonus, these are some interesting names of the mechanical switches: Tecsee Ice Milk, Tecsee Carrot, Equalz Tangerine, Durock Sunflower, Durock Shrimp, Wuque Onion, SP-Star Magic Girl and my favourite Gateron Baby Kangaroo.
says they are Hot-swappable on the customization tab
I think it’s more ‘weird’ to those who aren’t into the Keyboard as a hobby. Custom keyboards, switches, keycaps, and even desk mats all have a myriad of colors and names. From things like Banana Split linear switches to a keyboard named Mammoth75.
It’s kinda weird that they say most switches follow the blue/clicky - red/linear path.
I’m glad there’s lots of people being able to make sense out of the aspects that confuses these two.
I do understand they don’t like the better customizability for this board, so that’s a good point.
But the people that are “into keyboards” aren’t buying a prebuilt
Man, I don't know, 5 minutes of wasted time criticizing a company bringing something new? What a waste of a platform. That metal stand bar is so great, you change the height so much easier, and it's more durable, and looks way better.
But, wow, let's make fun of everything that they don't even use or understand. Poor, sad, boring content. No reference to the IBM Model M, most people don't use the caps anyway, going with custom ones.
Hopefully OnePlus is just testing waters and will sell barebones right after.
why do I get the feeling this will end up like the NZXT mech keyboards? But I'm sure productivity junkies will buy this and love it regardless. It looks sleek but also stylish
what im wondering what new keyboard is he using in his MKBHD vidoes right now cuz its not the one he used before
It's ok to be different, but marking on a water spender the hot water with blue and the cold water with red while calling it may and september isn't quirky, but confusing and leads to people buying the wrong product. Which is sad since I think Keychron makes great Keyboards. I have a Q3 myself.
Keychron is a great brand to get started in the keeb hobby. It spoils people with in stock options instead of group buys or raffles
Yes, this is so true. Just look at the price of a Keychron V1!
The switches would be sourced from a different manufacturer than the keycaps, so there's really no reason they couldn't let the consumer pick and choose between all combinations.
I'm guessing this might appeal to the hypebeast croud who base thier tech purchases based on brand alone, but the layperson isn't going to buy this and the custom mech community isn't going to be interesting in this.
It's a Q1 with what will probably end up being inferior switches, slightly different 'okay' quality caps and a bunch of branding. And it'll be more expensive.
Gonne be a hard pass for me.
As a keyboard enthusiast, I personally have exactly ZERO interest in this keyboard in regards of the design, function and possibly the cost! Honestly, there are just so many good choices out there and newcomers must be substantially unique or at the very least, aesthetically appealing which this keyboard is not (to my eyes).
What's about the OnePlus 11r
Awesome Podcast Guy’s. Thanks so much for sharing.And Your Cuteness Co-Host definitely needs his own Chair.✌️
this just looks like a Keychron Q1
Ok, now I want to see what a Nothing Keyboard looks like, because I'm still convinced, that he left OnePlus was the end for them. (Tipping this on my OP5)
Hot take: this board is not for the "keyboard community." There are way too many awesome options available these days for the enthusiast community to care about this.
Also, tactile gang. Just rebuilt my MM Studio Class 65 with Emogogo tactiles. They're wonderful.
Not a hot take really. Many in the established custom keeb community feel the same about this keyboard. It's yet another 75% keyboard with a knob on the top right. There's no "re-writing the rules" as OnePlus puts it lol... it's a 3-year-old design. They're only just jumping in now since the custom keeb interest exploded during covid. Too little too late imo. The hobby has slowed down considerably after high quality "entry-level" and highly accessible options are now available and people are spending less now during this recession.
of course its not for the keyboard community but there is no reason to do everything reverse like the switches
@@bunnyhop4936 agreed.
Also Probably not for the Normies because how many people you know who would spend around 250-300 dollars on a keyboard (other than keyboard community). Most Probably aimed at the OnePlus Fanbois who want to complete their OnePlus branded setup
This ain't even a hot take, there are so many great keyboards at wayy cheaper prices that you can build yourself (say the Keychron V1 with gateron yellows)
I think this keyboard mostly appeals to long-time OnePlus fans or just people who are probably not really too much into this stuff and just want something fancy-looking
The keyboard looks like the podcast set
i'm gonna be honest, the new host had some really interesting points to make...14/10 would keep him
Or is the keyboard just called "81" (which is the percentage) and the full name is oneplus featuring "keyboard 81", so like featuring isn't part of the name just saying that OnePlus is featuring
I think complaining about the color scheme of the switches is kinda silly. It's kinda nice when a blue is linear because blue is a nice color, and doesn't need to be tied to that horrible sound.
As someone who has been in the keyboard hobby for a while let me tell you.
Big companies getting into anything remotely custom always ends up badly, Glorious tried it and ended up being a nightmare with a lot of false advertising and even some fucking over of community members that helped out with advertising for example.
A bonfire is warm (even in winter!), so red, a breeze is cool (even in summer!), so blue. I agree most of this is quirky nonsense, but the colors do make sense given the full name. if you just consider the first half it doesn't, but that seems like a frankly stupid thing to criticise.
If the board is based on the Q1 by Keychron (which is most likely the case), then it's gonna be in the 170-200$ range, if I had to guess
I think it’s based on the Q1 pro actually. Which would bump up the price to 300. Though you often pay for the brand with these things.
if you look at the mechanical keyboard offerings on Drop (formerly Massdrop), you'll see what the mechanical keyboard community is ACTUALLY into. this keyboard is designed to sucker in people who've HEARD about mechanical keyboards but really don't know what any of it is about. kind of surprised Marques is only just starting to dip his toes into them, and hasn't really shown interest in audiophile level tech other than with regards to his workflow
Bonfires are red and make clicking noises. Breezes are blue and are more silent. What's so hard about it Marques? 😂
The color matched the actual subjects in the names, not the seasons.
Winter BONFIRE= RES
Summer BREEZE=BLUE
And yes I am a op fanboy
Why would you get this over a Keychron Q1, Zoom65, QWERTY75, etc . Fail
Love the new co-host!
co-host felt a bit guarded to me but high on the cute factor 9/10